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Welcome aboard!

We never really expected them to add anything for Karlach in any of the patches since what we're asking for is a monumental amount of work. Patch 2 was a huge surprise for all of us, I just hope it won't be the last time she sees anything major done for her.

Regarding Minthara, I hear her lines are still bugged despite the previous attempts to fix them. The upcoming patches will probably (hopefully) focus on that.

Also, for the DE, I know this is controversial among Minthara fans, but I wouldn't mind a good (official) recruitment option for her. Romancing Minthara as Karlach is really something else, and I'd rather do right by Karlach's people while also not leaving Minthara hanging in Act 1. I don't know where you stand on that.

I feel as though the most obvious way to allow minthara to be recruited without genocide would be to allow *nonlethal* attacks count as *stopping* the goblin leaders. Or maybe convince her to look for the grove in a completely different direction. Which then she leaves. You kill the other 2. And bam recruit her in act 2 after she failed*.
It would be cool to get her in any of my playthroughs but if its between her and karlach. Im standing by Mama K all the way.
(Yes i could play as karlach but i much prefer playing as tavs or durge atm)

Thank you for the welcome! I wasn’t there to see the hype when the Avernus ending was added in. Even then, it was just so nice to see them readily respond to fans’ feedbacks like that. I can only imagine how it felt for the people who cared for her since the beginning, or the ones who actually helped to make it happen.

I hope so too. I’m aware they had existing assets but the fact that they called her VA back to the studio and properly added it in really raised my opinion of Larian. This and the numerous changes they’ve made since release is a testament to how much they care about our input. It doesn’t raise my expectations of them necessarily, which is probably wise. I’m just more inclined to send them bug reports/feedback forms and keep a more positive outlook. I think it’s good to keep this thread going, no matter what Larian may or may not do.

I was not aware it’s a controversial topic! Most people I’ve spoken to have been supportive because the current path is very limiting and gives less incentive for people to experience her character. I have seen few arguments of keeping her exclusive to the “evil route” but those are quickly shut down by other comments, which I agree with XD

Also, as much as I love Minthara, I always stand by Mama K too. I've been using the mod for every run (but one) so I can get them both in my party. I hope Larian can do more than just add the option to knock her out. I want them to present her as a proper companion, not just an NPC people will gloss over when they’re playing good.

Patch 4 is out now apparently. No new endings but lots of bug fixes.

“Shadowheart and Wyll now go to Avernus with Karlach as they promised.”

Is an entry in the patch 4 notes. Interesting! Shadowheart?

still waiting on that good ending larian. i dont think sending her right back to hell is the ending karlach "deserves" and you know it

#JusticeForKarlach

Playing as SH probably. I'm guessing for some reason she couldn't, before.

Also they added a new animation scene for Karlach when you kiss her anytime. I love it.

It’s awesome that they’re fixing the bugs and polishing what’s in the game. I’m a little sad though that they aren’t adding an expanded epilogue with this patch. (I wasn’t expecting anything huge like a new Karlach questline, but I was hoping for a little more content/dialogue at the end.) I’ll have to check out the new kiss animation.

new epilogues for the companions could be in either the next patch or the one after that, if not..then definitely expect for them to be saving the epilogue endings as a selling point for the DE of the game

The "??????" was my reaction as well. Don't have an appropriate save lying around to check I don't think, but sure hope it isn't something like "In case you didn't hear it the first time, unit, YOU'RE NOT FIXABLE"

(I am good-naturedly joking btw)

Now this is interesting, if I remember correctly her previous quest name was "Our Fiery Friend". Also it's important to note that Enriched Infernal Iron is still in the game and still useless.


This is also a big deal. I'm noticing that they still haven't added anything that directly contradicts or addresses her heart issue, unless that dialogue with the Steel Watcher is something like "You're fucked lmao". Maybe I'm just coping but they also pointedly haven't added any dialogue about why we CAN'T fix her engine, and considering how much effort they've gone into to touch up the dialogue in other places it gives me some hope.

It's all fun and games until Larian slams down the gavel on us.

Watch it be like this lmao. It'd be even worse, honestly.


Also yeah I don't expect any epilogues so soon, those will probably be either added in DE or next year, at best.

When I read that they added a marker for Infernal Iron, for some reason my brain registered it as the enriched kind but then I read it again and something died inside of me.

Can somebody tell us what the new journal entry is?


They also haven't removed the Infernal Iron. Just hoping we don't OD on copium by the time DE comes out.

Absolutely based! Can't wait to see it after they add a fixed-engine route. :copium:

About that... that cutscene was really controversial among the Karlach fandom. Mainly because we were hoping to fix her up, but she got sent to hell instead. Not sure about here, but it was an epic meltdown on Discord. This led to the mods closing the Karlach megathread that had far surpassed over 100k replies. Felt like you were part of history at the time.


Thank you for the support! Karlach and Minthara fans should stick together just like those two.


You'd be surprised how many people are protective of their evil routes and want even more exclusive content for them. I've felt quite a bit of that sentiment over on Reddit. Glad you agree that it doesn't have to be that way.

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Unfortunately, not much news on Minthara's bugged lines. Must be quite more troublesome than it appears.

This is what's new for her in Patch 4:

Animation

• Added some new idle animations and behaviours for Minthara, Halsin, Shadowheart, and Lae'zel at camp.

Gameplay

Controller

• Kissing Minthara can now sometimes have an additional ramification.

Flow and scripting

Across Acts

• Fixed a 'Leave.' option appearing twice in a row when talking to Minthara about your other party members.
• Minthara now acknowledges the gift of vengeance you have given her.
• Minthara no longer insists on talking as though you're still in Moonrise Towers even after you've left.

VFX

• Added some VFX when using your tadpole powers on Minthara at camp.

Cinematics

• Fixed Avatar Lae'zel being topless when she shouldn't be in the scene with Minthara at night after the Act I celebration.
• Minthara, Jaheira, and Halsin will now appear in the cutscene overlooking Baldur's Gate from Wyrm's Crossing if they're in your party.

Our Fiery Friend is her main quest (the one that only concludes ), The Hellion's Heart is a subquest of that and focuses just on her engine repairs, I think it concludes with the second upgrade or some such. Like Shadowheart's quest is Daughter of Darkness with a subquest Chosen of Shar, for example.

Karlach's idle animation in camp is hilarious, she talks to herself or does some stretching or she's just resting.

Tried to sneakily load up my game just to look at the new kiss animation and got hit with a glitch where no animation (old OR new) is playing and the dialogue just ends instead. I'm mostly laughing about this because OF COURSE.

I did get my game modded recently, so it could very well be that (although I don't have anything related to animations or dialogues in there). Will sit it out, wait till the dependecies are updated. If mods are at fault, then it's even funnier. Ouch, my gamer hubris.

Everyone else getting their kisses okay?)