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Originally Posted by Michieltjuhh
So you can easily have an open ending where most of the group go on a new adventure together.

This would be ideal for me as Ive grown quite close with all the characters.

Maybe we all go out in search of a cure for Astarion and look for a solution for Karlach. Traveling all over getting ourselves into shenanigans and helping people (or hurting if youre evil) along the way.

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Originally Posted by Thorvic
Well i already Say That i do Beleave that Karlach situation and AStarion in the Good ending are the Worst..
totally wrong what happens to then.. even so that i dont care or never romance then i feell your pain my dude im not joking..
( i already have some similar situation in another games 1 of then even came from Larian for the old fans they may understand the character im talking about..)
but the fact is Its Not Just Her that get a Shitty ending.. like the dude says in the end yu get 3 options in the good route..
a Party, Rebuild the City or Just Leave..
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They just had no time, unfortunately. But now things are different. Their hard work paid off. They could fix things, should they choose to. I believe they will.

Originally Posted by Yharmeru
Even most companions who died can be connected back to it cause souls can always end up there (e.g. Karlach's soul might still belong to Zariel if she died).

I could be wrong, but I don't think Karlach's soul belongs to Zariel despite her being a "Zariel tiefling".

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"I could be wrong, but I don't think Karlach's soul belongs to Zariel despite her being a "Zariel tiefling"."
Yeah i actually beleave that too becouse it was never actually said that maybe im wrong becouse i didant dive too deep in her tale becouse like i said in my game she was my pal yu know.. i didant romance her.. so maybe i miss something becouse of that.. but i felt this too..
(yeah im a Shadow guy or Minthara when evil..xD)
she was selled for Zariel becouse of Gortash stuff i bet.. but they never implied that her Soul actually belong to Zariel so. i really dont know.
(maybe She control her becouse of the Heart Stuff not her Soul.. dont know.)


so they booth i delve reaaaaly deep in the tale. kinda find actually a Secret with Shadow that gave yu a Unique Scene inside the Gountlet

The secret is the Selune Statue.. In the Game i was using her as the Thief of the Party to loot stuff and lock pick she loot the Statue and that thing stayed inside her inventory.. and in the 3 games this happens she gave me a Pretty F. Unique Scenematic and Lines inside the Gountlet Pretty F. Amazing.. (its a Short Scene and she says Something pretty cool) and till this day i never saw nobody talking about this.
So Try it Out Guys Till this day i really want to know what triggered that Scenematic and Lines..
(in the 3 games this happen i did not gave her the Shar statue in act 1 and didant let her Pray at the Shrines outside the gountlet.)

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Other variability...Tav gets a noble title based on how much money you accumulated during the game. At 100k maybe Tav becomes a Duke...

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I don't mind unhappy endings. If you know thats what happens on one route then on subsequent playthroughs if you want to avoid it you take things down a different path. Or you just live with it.
However it should be an even playing field.
Most of the companions have a bad ending, a good or at least good ish ending and something in between.
Except for Karlach who has three bad endings (overkill or what Larian?) and Astarion who either has an evil vampire trope ending or has a redemption arc but is made the butt of a tasteless joke and thus has one evil ending and one bad ish ending.

What I object to is Larian disrespecting their own character arcs.

One issue Larian seem to have not given any thought to is if you play as Astarion and have romanced Karlach or vice versa, the dock scene becomes a miserable mess as nothing plays out as it should.

For Karlach they dropped a ton of hints that there was a way to cure her in Act 1 and a lot of Act2. Ok so they didn't want to implement a fix in this game for whatever reason but something else could easily have been implemented, a convo with an Iron Hand or Gondian "We think we're onto something but it won't be ready for while. Go to Avernus and we'll carry on working on it".
Then don't do her moving back as a panicked thing on the docks but have it later allowing breathing room and proper farewells to her friends, allowing a romanced Astarion to actually talk to her and decide (or not) to go with her, tears etc but generally more upbeat and hopeful even though sad. The existing dock scenes for her are just dramatic BS for the sake of it, and did nothing for her character arc.

For Unascended Astarions awful dock scene, just cut it completely, it's evening, he can find out tomorrow than the sun won't be shining on him anymore. Snide mockery of a character that the other companions have fought alongside for the entirety of the game, and have come to respect due to his redemption arc, is terribly tone deaf. OK under other circumstances, he can dish it out himself let's be honest, but not when someone is in fear and pain.
Upside of this is more time for other scenes with Lae'zel, Gale etc play out properly.

One conversation amd a small delay, and one 'cut a bit of a scene out' and two companions fans would have been a whole lot happier.

I'm sure a few of the other endings only need minor tweeks such as this to be more acceptable. I am less familiar with them so hesitate to suggest anything.

The main issue I feel is that they cut too much out of Act 3 (and quite badly in the case of the endings), and yet we still have a ridiculous amount of things to do. It could easily have gone to an Act 4 and kept some of what was originally envisaged, including decent crafted endings. The endings we get are badly written in general and seem to have been cobbled toggether by a writer with little knowledge of the character he was writing for, and with frankly appalling implementation.

Rushing a game out the door to compete with another games release has done them well from the point of view of accolades and awards - don't think the same can be said for pleasing their fans


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