thats exactly what i'm talking about. guess i should have not bothered being picky at sir patrick or whatever the guys name was i got it from. its the darn armorer that you need to be picky at. makes no sense to me. hes suposed to be the ultimate blacksmith but he gives back junk when given good stuff to work with. i gues that means you cant trust a dwarf. should have let the elves wipe em out. sigh...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />