Once...
You mean twice?
He complains about being punished by Mizora in Act 1 and again when sent to retrieve the asset in Act 2 (Where he goes deeper into self pity saying he'll just end up being turned into a blob)
I said that he comments once after each appearance. It's in one of the quotes that
you chose not to respond to. Also, expressing ONCE that "
you don't want to be a blob on the front-lines in a war in hell" isn't "
self-pity." You're continuing to be completely ridiculous, at this point.
He has in-camp noted dialogue for Mizora (With the special scene where he gets turned into a devil) and then he mopes about how it sucks he got punished with dialogue options prompting you to tell him to get out of the pact (Which he readily agrees to but says it will be difficult)
He's literally mad and angry sounding that he got transformed. Once. That's not moping.
He has in-camp noted dialogue for his father, because it's his father. He makes it clear that it his father IMMEDIATELY upon the first time he is mentioned by anyone in the game.
Ya, it's brought up in the scene with Florick when you talk to her IN Waukeen's Rest. After saving her. He doesn't give any specific mention of his lineage before that. So, I don't know why you said this, as though that was a new feather in your cap. Because it's not.
He then has in-camp noted dialogue for Mizora again in Act 2 when she appears to get you (Not specifically him unless he's in the party) to rescue Zariels asset. Where as mentioned, he mopes about Mizora.
Incorrect. Completely and laughably. To the degree that you're a boldfaced liar. Because even when Wyll's not IN the party, he still speaks in the conversation. And when you talk to him, he's angry, not mopey. Even when you pick the option where you outright SAY that you're not sorry for him, he literally says "And you shouldn't be." Meaning that Wyll himself isn't feeling sorry for himself.
123456Really?
My PC didn't have ANY trouble running off and saving the Tieflings. Running off and saving the Deep Gnomes. Running off and saving the Harpers. Running off and saving the Tieflings and Deep Gnomes (Again).
We're all on the same borrowed time. Why is he just focused on his dad and Mizora?
All of those things were along the way to Moonrise and he joins YOUR character as the leader. Do you need me to explain to you how "
a party" works in RPGs and what "
a companion quest" is? All the companions have them, but somehow don't have that as a strike against them. Because you seem to think that just because he didn't go rogue and leave to continue to do his own thing, that he stops being a hero. Which is just pure nonsense.
He's not demonstrating concern for them much is he? He helps them at the gate (Though that could just be him helping the scouts). He's helping one single child when you talk to him.
Ok, you're just being
really obtuse now. Or you're probably just trolling, because
no one is really this dense.
He helps at the gate because the tieflings are there as well. He knows Zevlor so he obviously knows the entire situation, because the only others in there are the Druids, Volo, evil Sazza, the 3 or 4 mercs who were with Halsin, and evil Ethel (who is already far more powerful than anyone there.) Wyll also doesn't have ANY unique dialogue with the mercs or the Druids, and only does with the aforementioned Zevlor and Umi. So, logic would dictate that he's already on board with helping the tieflings. If he wasn't a hero and didn't care about the tieflings, he would just leave after the gate fight.
Or not be there at all and "YOLO it" to go after Karlach. But he's not, since he's there helping the tieflings to learn how to defend themselves. All of them on the platform. Since he's the only one with a sword who's not standing guard and whose ALSO not hitting a training dummy with fencing strikes.
Common sense. Try using it.
But what then. Does he tell you he wants to help the Tieflings when he joins you? Does he mention he has any care for what happens to them when he's going with you instead of protecting them? No he just mentions he's hunting Karlach.
See my previous comment. Also, you seem to be someone who needs every single solitary thing explicitly pointed out and explained to you. Which further leads me to believe that you're just trolling at this point.
Ahh, yes. Now he's on a similar hero level as... Karlach. Who is by no means, portrayed as a hero.
So, which claim is it from you? He doesn't care about/show concern for the tieflings or that he does?
It's his one moment of defiance, which is commendable.
And do you know why he can't defy more? Because Mizora will punish him again. And he obviously doesn't want to risk it, because she's evil, and even has shown that she has some measure of control over his body.
Again, same level of hero as Karlach.
Again.
So, which claim is it from you? That he doesn't care about/show concern for the tieflings or that he does?
Because you're now making BOTH claims, and now you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. I'll give you a moment to decide which stance you're picking.
Yes, because he mentions them multiple times. In specific noted in-camp dialogue that's hard to miss because of the "Someone in camp wants to talk to you" warning when trying to rest.
That's a game mechanic "issue" (if you can call it an issue, since you can skip it). Not a Wyll "issue."
It changes the way the character is portrayed because it's putting these self focused dialogues as prominent character development points instead of portraying him as the hero he's trying to be.
Imagine believing that something regarding character development and wanting to save someone disqualifies you from being heroic, because you know someone you're going to rescue. I bet you got really confused when people used to say "
My hero!" to the saviors they knew in old comics (and now cliche) hero stories.
In my opinion it'd have been better character development and writing if:
This is your problem right here. You conflate your open opinion with fact. Whereas I deal with the actual order of events in the game and the dialogue that occurs.
Something along those lines would better portray him as a hero archetype, rather than a self pitying loser. As it will show multiple times, how his resolve alows him to go above his unfortunate circumstances and think of the good he can do. Rather than slamming the player with "Noted dialogue" about how everything sucks repeatedly and making it seem like he mostly cares about his father and Mizora.
But that's just me and my take.
He still IS a hero. You just create nonsensical caveats to try to disregard what's inconvenient to your stance.
Which is still your main/fundamental issue. Second to that is that you don't really understand what "self-pity" is, as you conflate a single comment of "
not liking mistreatment" (which is all Wyll expresses) with being that. Which is simple-minded at best, and completely dishonest at worst.
Last edited by Mr. Oakby; 24/11/23 10:40 PM.
