Like i mean correct me if im wrong here some one, but I joined this thread because It was a place I found after experiencing karlaxhs endings and being horribly disapointed with an otherwise flawless gaming experience, so much so that atleast for me I had to let the company know about it. And I find a thread thats literally dedicated to getting larians attention about karlachs ending and getting it fixed. Letting them know theres a not so small minority of the fanbase that while we love the game they made, we are pleading and hopeful they will listen to our feed back and give karlach a fix.
So thats what I thought the goal was bout this thread we can share ideas about what could change or be hopeful bout what larian might do or give. And we even get karlach/sam updates shared here.
What i figured this thread WASNT for. Was just arguing that larian wont change it. That karlachs a doomed* character...in a story of 17k endings and player choice being the crux of the whole thing >_>. Like its just mind boggling to me.
Theres agree to disagree and then theres this phenomenon of arguing a point of *no your wrong-* We then give in game reasons-company track record reasons Basic story telling reasons as to why maybe we are right or atleast hopeful...to then be responded with* NOPE. Your just wrong, let me just repeat what ive been saying while ignoring the points brought up.
Like im sorry but if your only response to enriched infernal iron is *THERE COUKDVE A MILLION POSSIBLE USES FOR IT* Your just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. Smh
Not YOU you tarrax but you get whst im saying.
Just because the item has additional usage for someone's quest, doesn't mean its different version was also intended as a quest item. It could be crafting material or whatever, could it be used for Karlach's quest? Maybe, but Dammon is here, iron is here and the usage is not. I don't know how long and complicated the quest would have to be to not be moved to a zone where everything required already is. Also, I never said you're wrong for being hopeful, just that the intention of the quest was to give the player hope until it's revealed that there is no fix which is why there is mindflayer option and possibility to go to Avernus. Will it be changed? Maybe, maybe not, that's not important right now. And now a bit offtopic, but genuine question. Was there a character in any recent or semi-recent game, movie, book or any other series that had some kind of terminal condition that would kill them and managed to get it fixed? Because I can't recall any author that would make something like that happen in their story
Theres agree to disagree and then theres this phenomenon of arguing a point of *no your wrong-*
Well I mean. If my memory serves me right, one person in this current discussion has already been put in a timeout once for doing this exact thing, albeit more aggressively the last time. Seeing as they are back with the same shtick, well. Agree to disagree is our only option of getting this thread back to the status quo instead of arguing endlessly again, I think.
On that note and to brighten the mood up a bit, might I continue my tradition of bringing y'all Karlach songs:
And now a bit offtopic, but genuine question. Was there a character in any recent or semi-recent game, movie, book or any other series that had some kind of terminal condition that would kill them and managed to get it fixed? Because I can't recall any author that would make something like that happen in their story
I'll have to think on that just because every time someone asks me to remember something I forget all stories that exist, BUT. Funnily enough, I think you (and half of this thread) mentioned Cyberpunk 2077 at some point? Well, their new DLC allows V to survive. Fully, no 6 months deadline.
It comes at a steep price in more ways than one, sure, but it's now a choice that can happen nevertheless. (And a choice is all we're really asking for here, so I think it's a good enough example tbh)
I've never heard these songs they're so good thanks for sharing them. I'm really hoping we get news about a DE with more companion endings or maybe some fallout NV style narration that gives them more closure. Always gonna stay hopeful we get a fix for karlachs engine but even if it is a cyberpunk style great price to pay to save her that's fine. It makes the story better to have so many options for characters people are so passionate about.
Random story wuestion, currently in sct 3 with my first durge playthrough, and romancing Karlach, as a oathbreaker palli trying to resist the urge. And is it just me or is the paladin durge romancing karlach just so god damn good narrative wise? Between the duel relationship with gortash and this idea of karlach trying to save you from your self and you tfying to save her from her engine AND your self only to find out you were best friends with the guy wjo sold her to zsriel in another life? Im finding the concept my favorite by far
Currently doing the good durge paladin playthrough and I just got to act 3 I'm loving it so far. It's definitely the most interesting and compelling in my opinion.
And now a bit offtopic, but genuine question. Was there a character in any recent or semi-recent game, movie, book or any other series that had some kind of terminal condition that would kill them and managed to get it fixed? Because I can't recall any author that would make something like that happen in their story
I'll have to think on that just because every time someone asks me to remember something I forget all stories that exist, BUT. Funnily enough, I think you (and half of this thread) mentioned Cyberpunk 2077 at some point? Well, their new DLC allows V to survive. Fully, no 6 months deadline.
It comes at a steep price in more ways than one, sure, but it's now a choice that can happen nevertheless. (And a choice is all we're really asking for here, so I think it's a good enough example tbh)
Gale had the problem of a magical nuke in his chest that he had to keep fed with magical artifacts until Elminster came along to stabilize it with the caveat of Mystra going "kill yourself, k thx bye" and he gets off relatively scot-free if he gives the Crown of Karsus back to Mystra.
And now a bit offtopic, but genuine question. Was there a character in any recent or semi-recent game, movie, book or any other series that had some kind of terminal condition that would kill them and managed to get it fixed? Because I can't recall any author that would make something like that happen in their story
I'll have to think on that just because every time someone asks me to remember something I forget all stories that exist, BUT. Funnily enough, I think you (and half of this thread) mentioned Cyberpunk 2077 at some point? Well, their new DLC allows V to survive. Fully, no 6 months deadline.
It comes at a steep price in more ways than one, sure, but it's now a choice that can happen nevertheless. (And a choice is all we're really asking for here, so I think it's a good enough example tbh)
Gale had the problem of a magical nuke in his chest that he had to keep fed with magical artifacts until Elminster came along to stabilize it with the caveat of Mystra going "kill yourself, k thx bye" and he gets off relatively scot-free if he gives the Crown of Karsus back to Mystra.
Yeah for real. If you think about it, Karlach's situation is the same as Gale's. But of course, Gale is the one who all of sudden got the orb stabilized and even a cure down the road. But Karlach isn't allowed a cure because she's made to be a bait for 'drama', basically for no reason. Gale literally brought himself into this situation and he gets off scot free? Karlach on the other hand was forced into this and you are telling me she doesn't deserve a second chance at life? And far away from Avernus as possible? If anything, it should've been Gale the one who gets his fate sealed because of what he did. Consequences and all.
Sorry for any Gale fans, I guess I'm just salty with this massive level of unfairness.
Yea it's really sad how dirty they did her since gale had the goddess of magic on his ass but just gets off because??? Plot I guess? It's so dumb imo especially when you've got elminster in your camp and you can't just ask to help karlach. I guess he'd have to take a nap tho so that's fair I suppose. That's not even counting wyl who made a deal with a devil willingly and got off pretty ok. Karlach was forced into being zariels pet soldier and experiment and she gets shafted because???? I really hope larian fixes this it makes 0 sense compared to the other companions.
I Just want the effort we put into companions to be rewarded. Larian fir the most part did a great job regarding that. Just very glaring when you look at karlachs situation and lack of well any real choice in the matter regarding player actions/ effort.
Minthara also needs some work and wyll could use some more content. And astarions ending could be given a glow up (its always sad seeing him scurry away.
But karlach just..god damn hits different. Like i was personally robbed from trying to pursue her solution. Her happy ending. And from my first playthrough THAT for some reason was my priority. Lol bbeg? Yeah we will get to that, what about my girls heart? Anyone?!
But that is probably also due to Sams VA that woman took that role and ran away with it. They all did fantastic work but sam did amazing with what little time she got compared to the other origins
Lol bbeg? Yeah we will get to that, what about my girls heart? Anyone?!
Oh that's a big mood yeah
My Tav was so concerned with everyone's personal quests and ESPECIALLY with Karlach's situation that by some point in Act 3 I was literally like "RIGHT, the tadpoles, the Absolute, kinda forgot about that"
It really did become secondary once I found out Damon was at the last light inn I got tunnel vision and ignored alot of stuff the first playthrough cause I thought there'd be a solution
And now a bit offtopic, but genuine question. Was there a character in any recent or semi-recent game, movie, book or any other series that had some kind of terminal condition that would kill them and managed to get it fixed? Because I can't recall any author that would make something like that happen in their story
I'll have to think on that just because every time someone asks me to remember something I forget all stories that exist, BUT. Funnily enough, I think you (and half of this thread) mentioned Cyberpunk 2077 at some point? Well, their new DLC allows V to survive. Fully, no 6 months deadline.
It comes at a steep price in more ways than one, sure, but it's now a choice that can happen nevertheless. (And a choice is all we're really asking for here, so I think it's a good enough example tbh)
Gale had the problem of a magical nuke in his chest that he had to keep fed with magical artifacts until Elminster came along to stabilize it with the caveat of Mystra going "kill yourself, k thx bye" and he gets off relatively scot-free if he gives the Crown of Karsus back to Mystra.
Yeah for real. If you think about it, Karlach's situation is the same as Gale's. But of course, Gale is the one who all of sudden got the orb stabilized and even a cure down the road. But Karlach isn't allowed a cure because she's made to be a bait for 'drama', basically for no reason. Gale literally brought himself into this situation and he gets off scot free? Karlach on the other hand was forced into this and you are telling me she doesn't deserve a second chance at life? And far away from Avernus as possible? If anything, it should've been Gale the one who gets his fate sealed because of what he did. Consequences and all.
Sorry for any Gale fans, I guess I'm just salty with this massive level of unfairness.
I'm not really sure I'd want Gale to have his fate sealed either, though. But I'm probably biased since his whole thing about being clinically depressed and suicidal, self-esteem issues and his "damn you caring about me and making me want to live now" dialogue in the star-gazing scene in act 2 is almost too relatable.
i dont want any of them to have a sealed fate it doesnt make sense for a game based so heavily on choice and player action to have a companion whose fate is predetermined from the beginning whether the player acts or not. I do want Karlach to be given the same options to be saved as wyl and gale though since her situation is very similar and it would make so much more sense to give that option within the game. But at the same time im biased having dealt with heart issues her story hit really close to home, thats also probably why i want to see her get a happy ending too.
I'm not really sure I'd want Gale to have his fate sealed either, though. But I'm probably biased since his whole thing about being clinically depressed and suicidal, self-esteem issues and his "damn you caring about me and making me want to live now" dialogue in the star-gazing scene in act 2 is almost too relatable.
Oh I don't want it either, got a little carried away because talking about Karlach and how unfair her whole situation is can get me a bit salty haha. I just want everyone and especially Karlach to get their good outcomes. And most do already, it's just Karlach (and Astarion).
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