Originally Posted by AbandonHope
And this is EXACTLY why the two are comparable.
I remember when they doubled down with the ‘it’s fine deal with it’ all I could think was.

The relays are dead so by the established lore FTL is now all but gone therefore everyone I brought to Earth is now stuck in the Sol system, half the species can’t eat human / carbon based food and earth has no way to support them.
The only logical outcome is a species like the Krogan ends up eating everyone as we all starve to death.

I think the relays exploded in two endings leaving only the green one (I can’t believe I still remember this after all this time THAT is how terrible it was) as the only ending where you didn’t condemn earth and all your friends to a horrific fate.

They eventually released the ‘citadel dlc’ which I never played as after calling us entitled children for months and generally doing everything they could to gaslight us into thinking it was actually high art I was done.
I never bought another of their products again and was very glad that andromeda flopped.

I loved the games up until that last point but it’s a case of the bad being so bad that it ruined the lot.

The problem is I could still play the first 2 games and 90% of the third and it still was good.

This ending ruins the whole third act which is the point where your choices start to come together, if you are railroaded then there is no point playing or replaying because as good as Act 1 or 2 are you know it’s irrelevant.

Karlach is forced to die or run into hell and by what we have seen from the opening with countless swarms of monsters under the control of this apparently extremely powerful arch devil that makes even the lesser devils we meet and treat as bosses look weak the only conclusion I can come to is we die or get captured.

Now Conrad you are a 40k fan named after the edgiest primarch, what would a devil that has no empathy or care do to someone that has defied them now that they’re at their mercy?

If we are lucky they will kill us fast, if unlucky they will get creative, perhaps they make Karlach kill Tav and Will then dump her in a cell with our corpses. That’s just the PG13 thing I can think of.

With a few lines of text they can change this, and that is just the most basic minimum effort way they could do it.
As others have said half the 2D / 3D assets for a better ending are already in the game you could probably just throw in a few voice lines or text.
This is why I find your ‘IT WOULD NEED A COMPLETE REWRITE!’ stance confusing.
I'm not sure if Citadel DLC changed something regarding the ending, but the extended cut completely changed the tone of the red ending as high assets leave the earth intact and relays only damaged with Hackett saying they'll repair them. The original idea was obviously mindnumbigly stupid because as you said, half of the species that were stranded away from their planet would starve without FTL so luckily at least that was changed. We see damaged relays in the blue ending that are being repaired by the now controlled Reapers, but I think this scene was added in the extended cut so i'm not sure if that was the case in the original ending. As for Karlach and co being potentially captured in Avernus, you don't have to imagine anything, just remember that Karlach's tatoos and writings carved on her horns are Zariel's mockery. And when it comes to rewriting her, what I meant is that her concept needs to be changed, they could somehow put just another quest but if that was the plan I think it would be patched some time ago. If the change is coming, I'd expect it to be something bigger, likely expanding her questline in previous acts

Last edited by Conrad Curze; 26/11/23 08:41 AM.