Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Story & Character Discussion [END SPOILS WARNING] Addressing Karlach (PLEASE PUT SPOILERS IN TAGS)

Oh yeah, I remember the "Your hand is killing you" thing was VERY convincing in Trespasser the way they build up the tension, I was fully expecting to watch my Inky die by the end there. And yet!

Good point, by the way, the Inquisitor and the Warden being the biggest examples.

(also lest we forget than even Shepard in the infamous three colored ending choice of "die, die or technically die" has a chance to survive under certain conditions.)

With Shepard, all of endings were doomed and yet, when fans asked of some hope because back then the endings were questionable and caused a lot of uproar (god, i was there and saw everything. The fans certainly weren't happy), Bioware then added a nice little scene of Shepard taking a breath in the red ending which would imply she/he survived and their LI not putting Shepard's name on the list of other lost people in the battle. It was nice.

All bioware's endings were usually full of hope but some trade off in the mix. I think the only protagonist from a bioware game (dragon age, to be precise) that came out unfazed was Hawke. Until Inquisition happened where you get to decide Hawke's fate in one of the missions with the Wardens. Still, much better than what we currently got with Karlach.

And this is EXACTLY why the two are comparable.
I remember when they doubled down with the ‘it’s fine deal with it’ all I could think was.

The relays are dead so by the established lore FTL is now all but gone therefore everyone I brought to Earth is now stuck in the Sol system, half the species can’t eat human / carbon based food and earth has no way to support them.
The only logical outcome is a species like the Krogan ends up eating everyone as we all starve to death.

I think the relays exploded in two endings leaving only the green one (I can’t believe I still remember this after all this time THAT is how terrible it was) as the only ending where you didn’t condemn earth and all your friends to a horrific fate.

They eventually released the ‘citadel dlc’ which I never played as after calling us entitled children for months and generally doing everything they could to gaslight us into thinking it was actually high art I was done.
I never bought another of their products again and was very glad that andromeda flopped.

I loved the games up until that last point but it’s a case of the bad being so bad that it ruined the lot.

The problem is I could still play the first 2 games and 90% of the third and it still was good.

This ending ruins the whole third act which is the point where your choices start to come together, if you are railroaded then there is no point playing or replaying because as good as Act 1 or 2 are you know it’s irrelevant.

Karlach is forced to die or run into hell and by what we have seen from the opening with countless swarms of monsters under the control of this apparently extremely powerful arch devil that makes even the lesser devils we meet and treat as bosses look weak the only conclusion I can come to is we die or get captured.

Now Conrad you are a 40k fan named after the edgiest primarch, what would a devil that has no empathy or care do to someone that has defied them now that they’re at their mercy?

If we are lucky they will kill us fast, if unlucky they will get creative, perhaps they make Karlach kill Tav and Will then dump her in a cell with our corpses. That’s just the PG13 thing I can think of.

With a few lines of text they can change this, and that is just the most basic minimum effort way they could do it.
As others have said half the 2D / 3D assets for a better ending are already in the game you could probably just throw in a few voice lines or text.
This is why I find your ‘IT WOULD NEED A COMPLETE REWRITE!’ stance confusing.

As for Karlach and co being potentially captured in Avernus, you don't have to imagine anything, just remember that Karlach's tatoos and writings carved on her horns are Zariel's mockery. And when it comes to rewriting her, what I meant is that her concept needs to be changed, they could somehow put just another quest but if that was the plan I think it would be patched some time ago. If the change is coming, I'd expect it to be something bigger, likely expanding her questline in previous acts

Why would her whole concept need to be changed her whole story isn't something that has to be rewritten from the ground up to add a fix. It could be larian is wanting to add more content for companions in general and they want to add karlachs expanded content with the rest of it. Also not trying to be rude but I'd like an answer to norrecs question. That being why you keep posting if you just want to keep reiterating that it's unlikely she'll get a fix, or any kind of happy ending in spite of numerous posts countering your claims. I'd bet larian is working on alot of act 3 stuff in general as well as asterion and other companions and would rather release something like that all at once. Perhaps as a new patch, or dlc, or even a DE

I never said she won't have a fix, I said it wasn't planned originaly because she wasn't even companion at the very begining. That was her concept, then it was changed to companion then to origin so quite a lot of changes and it shows considering she barely has any content (compare it to the whole dungeon for SH or a creche of Lae'Zel for example). That's why I say it's not likely they'll just patch some quick fix with Dammon, Gondians or whoever. If the change is coming, they'll likely improve her whole questline so she feels like an actual origin not side character. In short, they'll rewrite her concept