Originally Posted by Nyloth
Originally Posted by Yharmeru
Ok, so I'm kinda having a hard time understanding the ask here for some of these comments. Like, yes, the options are overly assumptive about the players motives, but his behavior post ascension is legitimately abusive. A character who's going to stay with him needs to reconcile that in some way unless you're a doormat who wants to be walked over.

Well, if your character is an bad_guy, then these options suit them, so I don't see the point in deleting it, only adding new ones. I mean, he literally asked what we wanted. What's offensive about that? At that moment, he asks a question and calls you a pet, as he called you before. To see something offensive in this, you need to look at it in a special way. Literally before that, he can call you his "blood bag" and you are not offended. And now you're offended? A very strange way of looking at things.


Originally Posted by ges915
damn u got me... saw right thru my evangelical crusade... the bible says u have to renounce ascended astarion in the name of the lord or u will burn in the fires of hell like a butthole after too many jalapeno poppers... repent while u still can it's not too late u can be a moral activist too

Well, you literally didn't read my post and just wrote a standard set of phrases for Spawn lovers. I even checked Bingo Fixers, you almost won! You wrote about everything you could, but not about the topic that is being discussed here. You saw the word "Ascended" and something in your head immediately broke. If you are here to provoke people, then I think I should contact moderator.



Originally Posted by Darkangel1211
Astarion: It feels so good. Freedom - true freedom. Finally.

Astarion: I can feel my strength growing. Every day that passes, I gain new abilities.

You absolutely correctly noticed that dialogue in the finale and after the ritual is very different. The atmosphere is different, as if the character was written by completely different people.

I must say if you do not sleep and get the ending of "mortal", A. Astarion's romance looks much better, simply because you miss this stupid dialogue that we are discussing here.
Originally Posted by Nyloth
Originally Posted by fylimar
Originally Posted by Darkangel1211
Originally Posted by Yharmeru
Ok, so I'm kinda having a hard time understanding the ask here for some of these comments. Like, yes, the options are overly assumptive about the players motives, but his behavior post ascension is legitimately abusive. A character who's going to stay with him needs to reconcile that in some way unless you're a doormat who wants to be walked over.

He’s not abusive in my RP - I envisioned a cross between Frank N Furter and Dracula and that’s exactly what I got. It may not be to everyone’s taste but that’s why this is an RP.
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I hope, you realise, that you just named two posterchilds of abusive behaviour. Both Frank'N'Further and Dracula are highly toxic and abusive and I'm more than a bit troubled, that you would use them as examples for not abusive behaviour. But then, people are trying to excuse Edward Cullen and Christian Grey, who frankly both belong in jail.

Edit: I'm not really interested in talking about ascended Astarion, but I'm very familiar with both Bram Stokers work ( and I'm not talking about the mostly unfaithful movies, I'm talking about the book) and the Rocky Horror Show and had to pinch in here.

Based on your speculation, all vampires are offensive and toxic. But in those days it was an example of romanticism. I mean, the girls even liked gaslighter Lestat, so... I don't see that as a problem. Modern views on past images can spoil your impression. You should also know heroines of these novels rarely showed aggression towards their "abuser". They're fascinated by them. Which leads us to the fact that regardless of the behavior evil character, we can still show sympathy for him. But I still don't see anything so offensive in the question "what do you want", sorry. The image of Dracula is also considered sexy, romantic and dangerous, that's the point. This is not news.
Also sorry, I should have quoted. But I wasn't responding to you with that post. I was responding to the person who called me a moral activist, because I thought it was funny. I don't have a problem with the ascended storyline. And I'm not someone who thinks you have to clarify that's it toxic or "bad" if you like it. Women especially are shamed for their taste in fictional men and I think that's why my talking about the abuse in the story might be making people feel like they have to defend themselves from something. I'm discussing the themes in the story and how I don't think the narrative should be undercut because people just want it to be a romance. I'm also not only responding to you, but the comments in the thread overall.

(Edit to say that I did actually quote the post I was responding to.)

Last edited by ges915; 27/11/23 12:07 PM.