The issue doesn't come from the question whether Shadowheart has a kinky side or not, I think its pretty clear that she does have it but the implementation of (or the decision to shove in) Halsin into her story.

If a player does decide to romance her and goes through it you'll know that from the instant she meets the MC she starts developing feelings and is surprised by her attraction for them.

As you progress through her story/romance you'll find out that this is the first real relationship she has had (seeing how they weren't permitted during her training and the only thing she has know up to that point were just fleeting and emotionless 'hook ups') and she becomes rather possessive of the MC, not wanting to share them and not wanting to be shared ('don't want to be your spare lover' line comes to mind.) but for whatever reason the writer decided to change that with Halsin.

From the moment she professes her love to the MC and the player is done with her romance scene she has a party banter with Halsin (if you have them both in the active party) where she flirts with him after he invites himself to hers and the MC alone time.

Despite rejecting opening the relationship with anyone else and making it clear that the MC is the only person she is interested in, her stance is suddenly changed for Halsin.

And the worst part and the part that a lot of people have issue with (thus the whole 'I kill Halsin'/'Halisn is Orin bait' etc. thing) is the whole drow scene. Despite everything that was established throughout her story and romance, despite her clear stance that she only wants the MC, she admits that she's been dreaming and fantasizing about having sex with Halsin during her relationship with the mc and goes as far to disapprove if you reject Halsins attempt to involve himself in that scene. (Of course the player can ignore or miss this by never having both of them in the party but from a writing standpoint it doesn't sit well with many and comes of as character assassination for a cheap thrill that doesn't respect the rest of her writing but hey, there are a lot of those situations within this game.)

As for Halsin himself, he comes of as a true sex pest/creep that cant take NO for an answer.

Even if you ignore him or are rude to him he will tell you how he wants to stay because of you and that he loves you. And if you reject him, that wont stop him from trying to weasel his way into the MCs romantic life by proposing and open relationship with him and the players chosen partner.
And the funniest part is that even if you reject him those two times he'll still recommends joining you during the drow scene.

The character just doesn't respect players choice.

The way I see Halsin is as the writers lack of respect for the players. Especially in a RPG where choices are supposed to matter. Its understandable that the interest and the thirst for Halsin was (for Larian) big enough for him to receive a bigger role but just because a subsect of players wanted him didn't mean that the right choice was to subject everyone to that especially not at the expense of other character. (Shadowheart and Astarion were the ones that were the most affected by this.)

Either way my feelings in regards to this whole 'mess' have changed since my thread and I stopped caring for the most part. (also influenced by other problems this game has ) So I wont interact with this thread outside this post.

Last edited by Rotsen; 05/12/23 10:49 PM.