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[Act 3 Spoiler Warning] Regarding Emps and Orphs #928069 13/12/23 03:10 PM
Joined: Dec 2023 N Nella OP apprentice
OP Nella apprentice N Joined: Dec 2023	Just like how the option was added to have both Halsin and Minthara join your side, I please want to make a case for an addition be made that the player can talk the Emperor down and be able to side with both him and Orpheus against the Netherbrain. Most likely, it would be an incredibly difficult saving roll, but it can be done. I even want to explain how it would make sense in the narrative. Just as how you talk to your Companions and have your bond to them make them trust and side with you more, if you treat the emperor well, and gain his trust, that could also be a potential unlock condition for this, as your bond with him will be strong enough to convince him. Currently in the narrative, the Emperor believes that Orpheus would kill him and the party on the spot if he is freed. All of his actions are done in self preservation, as his end game interactions shows that he is a true neutral character. This is the reason as to why he decides to join the Netherbrain if the player says they wish to free Orpheus, as with the Netherbrain he truly believes that he has a chance for survival, and that freeing Orpheus will lead to his immediate death. He has already escaped the hive mind twice. Why shouldn't he think he can escape it again for a third time after the storm has calmed down. However, the Gith Prince shows that he is open to reasoning, and I legit believe that if him and the Emperor were to meet, they would be able to come to a truce due to the situation. In fact, a pact between them would be extremely beneficial, as the Emperor will see that Orpheus is open to reason and having him join the party will be much better for his goal of surviving the Netherbrain than his original plan to rely just on the survivors and Orpheus will know that he needs an Illithad to use the Netherstones, so he will need the help of the Emperor, instead of needing to become an illithad himself. This ending would allow for the best outcome for everyone, as Orpheus and the Emperor could start a alliance between the Githyanki and Illithads that would empower and preserve their future empires to come. (That is if Orpheus is successful in overthrowing Vlaakith.) I mean, if you side with Orpheus and become an Illithad so that he doesn't have to make the sacrifice, you can ask him to promise to tell his people that not all Mind Flayers are the same. Orpheus is open to diplomacy with them. I don't know if anyone would like or agree with this, much less if any of the devs would see this, but as my mother always said, you miss every shot you never take. Let me know what you think please!

Re: [Act 3 Spoiler Warning] Regarding Emps and Orphs Nella #928072 13/12/23 04:03 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 ldo58 old hand
ldo58 old hand Joined: Oct 2020	I agree with it. From the beginning of the story we're conditioned to fight against transforming. So no, at the end I can't possibly decide to become illithid myself. So I must choose between either the emperor or Orpheus. It would be great if the emperor could stay in its form and Orpheus joins as well. But there's a related issue Not willing to become mindflayer myself I 've been grooming Gale to take that role from Act 1. I gave him the astral tadpole and as many tadpoles as he could swallow. But in the end, neither the emperor nor Orpheus want to consider his offer. They only want to negociate with "the leader", being the PC. That's a disappointment after many hours of planning and weeks of play to see the plan blocked this way right at the end.

Re: [Act 3 Spoiler Warning] Regarding Emps and Orphs ldo58 #928073 13/12/23 04:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2023 A Anska old hand
Anska old hand A Joined: Nov 2023	Originally Posted by ldo58 Not willing to become mindflayer myself I 've been grooming Gale to take that role from Act 1. I gave him the astral tadpole and as many tadpoles as he could swallow. But in the end, neither the emperor nor Orpheus want to consider his offer. They only want to negociate with "the leader", being the PC. That's a disappointment after many hours of planning and weeks of play to see the plan blocked this way right at the end. He will explode for you though, if you have good enough approval with him. The same as Karlach will offer to become a mindflayer in your stead. Both works. As for the issue itself, I would like to be able to ask our besti from the Underdark. But then, I want to get rid of the Emperor anyway because there is no way letting it hang around is a good idea.

Re: [Act 3 Spoiler Warning] Regarding Emps and Orphs Anska #928080 13/12/23 04:39 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 ldo58 old hand
ldo58 old hand Joined: Oct 2020	Originally Posted by Anska Originally Posted by ldo58 Not willing to become mindflayer myself I 've been grooming Gale to take that role from Act 1. I gave him the astral tadpole and as many tadpoles as he could swallow. But in the end, neither the emperor nor Orpheus want to consider his offer. They only want to negociate with "the leader", being the PC. That's a disappointment after many hours of planning and weeks of play to see the plan blocked this way right at the end. He will explode for you though, if you have good enough approval with him. The same as Karlach will offer to become a mindflayer in your stead. Both works. Yes I tried that ending first. Quite heroic, but from the player's point of view less satisfying than defeating the brain the hard way. But I think it would be a shame to not save the game at that point and allow Gale his moment of glory. Quote As for the issue itself, I would like to be able to ask our besti from the Underdark. But then, I want to get rid of the Emperor anyway because there is no way letting it hang around is a good idea. Well the purpose was not to have to turn myself while leaving Orpheus whole, for Lae'zel's sake mainly. By the end of my 1st PT, I found her more sympathetic than Gale. So in my 2nd PT I thought offering up Gale to do La'zel a favor and keep my own physical integrity would be a great plan. (it would have been even better to sacrifice Wyll , but my 2nd PT was an evil one, so Wyll had already left us in Act 1) But alas, the game blocks this option. The mindflayer from the academy would be a good option also, on condition that this would spare Orpheus. Or turning Volo instead would be great also.

Re: [Act 3 Spoiler Warning] Regarding Emps and Orphs ldo58 #928081 13/12/23 04:45 PM
Joined: Sep 2023 t1mekill3r addict
t1mekill3r addict Joined: Sep 2023	Originally Posted by ldo58 Or turning Volo instead would be great also. I second this.

Re: [Act 3 Spoiler Warning] Regarding Emps and Orphs Nella #928083 13/12/23 04:50 PM
Joined: Nov 2023 A Anska old hand
Anska old hand A Joined: Nov 2023	My personal opinion on the matter is that squidding Orpheus is the best for Lae'zel and in general, because it rids the Githyanki of a future God-King. Replacing Vlaakith with Orpheus just shifts the problem of them blindly following some semi-divine, glorified being to them blindly following another semi-divine, glorified being. But not the point of this thread.

Re: [Act 3 Spoiler Warning] Regarding Emps and Orphs Anska #928235 15/12/23 07:03 AM
Joined: Dec 2023 N Nella OP apprentice
OP Nella apprentice N Joined: Dec 2023	Orpheus doesn't seem like that bad a leader to be honest, plus between him Lae'zel and Vlaakith, he actually has the power to protect the githyanki from a Mind Flayer Invasion

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