You have alot of enthusiasm! I am glad we are on page six now, the scrolling got out of hand.
Originally Posted by Ametris
He also spies on them himself when he "stretches his wings" and flies around in his bat form. It just looks like a fun thing they like to do together.
Comparing notes while sipping freshly cantered blood from golden goblets. ^^ The bat thing is adorable. And I can see the dance happening in the palace, I think it was you who posted Wyll's kiss with Astarion instead of Wyll in the other thread, no? That was cute too.
Wyll, Shart and Karlach's romances are overall not to my liking ... and you cannot even be grumpy at Karlach, when she wakes you in the middle of the night to tell you what she would like to do with/to you.
That's what I meant with early on. He also seems to remember the menu of the Elfsong 200 years ago and is confident enough in his skills as a Magistrate to offer Wyll his legal advice in Origin. (Come to think of it, O-Astarion and Wyll have some cute interactions. They also have a bit about what coming home feels like before entering BG.) In the scene linked, I think he is lying through his teeth, because he wants the Gur issue to be dropped - and the barrage of personal questions. He knows why they are looking for him and I am not even sure if he really believes that Cazador sent them. We also later learn that he has a very harsh, unforgiving sense of justice, when he discusses the topic with Wyll. So if it was really Gur who killed him, he probably knows why.
But at the graveyard he is more talking about his sense of self that is almost completely gone and I believe that. It's a person he was such a long time ago, after all, with such a different life.
But I wonder if many of the "cruel" things he approves of are poetic or ordinary justice to him. He disapproves if the kids get off lightly in the grove and likes it if you punish the Goblin, who tried make his hyena go into the Shadowcurse, by making him go instead. There's a few more of those.
Originally Posted by Ametris
I don't understand why they took such special care when it comes to Karlach, even giving her a unique kiss, dialogues when it comes to Wyll and an ending, when she's the most incompatible person for him personality and alignment wise. When you play as Tav she is the only one he doesn't even attempt to flirt with or sounds tempted by anything in her. Githyanki Tav cannot take him to the Astral Plane but Karlach sure can take him to Avernus. Then there's the tragic aspect of her stupid engine, as if Astarion already didn't have the saddest background and needed even more of that crap. This ship makes me cringe so hard.
Because she is cute and innocent and you are supposed to like her? I don't know. I could sooner see Shart and Karlach open a B&B for lost souls in the House of Hope too, but apparently unromanced Karlach and Wyll are a couple now. (Unless she meant "someone you love" in a friendly manner in the epilogue.) But, since the opportunity arises: I looked at the epilogue again yesterday and now everyone gets to see Karlach's Avernus ending, it got wedged in between the Morning-After-Dialogue and the Epilogue, where it beautifully breaks the mood and chronologically makes no sense. Poor Wyll got the Tav role and has zero agency, it's sad. He did her a good turn on the dock, he deserves some heroics too.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Originally Posted by Zayir
Playing a good character was like: Astarion disapproves – reload – Astarion disapproves – reaload – Astarion … oh, approves!
Oh yeah, Astarion's approval is the most "hard to get" in the game. The others are gained by themselves, without any effort, but with Astarion I got a "beautiful 100" only by the end of the second/beginning of the third chapter. Now I run past beggars, afraid to enter into a dialog - and refuse them ashamed, and "100" do not want to spoil, Astarion never approved of such spending .
Whenever this topic comes up, I feel my moral judgement is somehow skewed. I had to make as save file of my early game for a bug report recently and I had him on 80 without killing Gandrel before entering the Shadow Curse ... and I felt I played like a good enough person. XD
Originally Posted by Ametris
I checked the game and compared it to the scene from patch 3 and you're right! Damn it, why did they have to change it? They also cut the time the camera focused on him, and it stays on Ulma more now while he talks, what the hell. The previous iteration was much better! frown
Best write a ticket about it. There currently seem to be weird things going on with the subtitles too.
Originally Posted by Ametris
I did the mind merge too, felt more appropriate and more intimate in that situation. The best scenario is connecting through the tadpole and then hugging, but alas...
Asking him what he wants is also a good option but alas you have to pick one ....
Originally Posted by Ametris
Originally Posted by Marielle
By the way, in the list of visitors who are not allowed in Theobald Torm's tavern there is mentioned an elf with a cheeky grin who called the innkeeper "pig-horn" (I don't remember the exact quote). Could this have been Astarion? It seems to coincide in time, and Astarion went to taverns (his trouble happened in a tavern where he was attacked by the Gurts).
Interesting, totally forgot about it.
That is a nice thought. It should be 100 years too late though, unless they had that book lying around for a very long time. The whole Shadowcurse thing went down 100 years ago, Astarion was turned 200 years ago and he was attacked on the streets, no taverns mentioned. The bit is linked in the video about his past above.
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