Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback PETITION for more gortash content (romance, new ending?)

I swear people arn't being realistic, do you really think Larian'll drag Jason Isaacs back just for some wierd romance that will probably end up the exact opposite of what you want...?

I mean, we've seen what they did to Halsin right?
Chances are, if they ever did, they'd just make him the BDSM romance, given that Gortash is the chosen of Bane and domination is his forte, so to speak.
At which point, you might as well play Rogue Trader and Romance Marazhai, atleast you'll know what your getting into.

Maybe I should make a suggestion thread for a Ketheric and Balthazar romance next, I'm sure someone'll get a kick out of something like this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/186jsrr/try_again/

Also, apparently that letter is here to stay:
https://twitter.com/Winter_XIV/status/1752372832078541128?t=emxImq7h1599jq4v9A1Z_g

Yep, BDSM for Banites like Gortash sounds about right, also if Gortash does become a Romance Option then Orin should be one as well, seeing as she is the only female member of the Absolute's Chosen, in my opinion unless Gortash can pull a Harleep and change his sex, there's literally no reason in romancing him...

Pssst, don't give the horny fan crowd ideas. They already want to screw the creepy drider, is it really that far fetched, that the undead and depressed general and his really creepy necromancer sidekick are next?

As on a more serious note: I agree on one thing: Gortash could have used a bit more depth in the game. I mean, you have basically one bigger interaction with him, another one, if you do side with him and both are missable. If you decide not to go to the coronation and deal with the Steel Watcher factory, I think you don't even have a full conversation with him, he just gets hostile.
He and Durge are the masterminds behind the whole plot, so maybe explain it a bit more, give him some room to grow as a character. I mean, they had Jason Isaacs to voice him, make use of that. He feels pretty sidelined as it is now, which is probably, because the upper city part was scratched. And it hurts his character. Yes, it is clear, that he holds the threads in his hand and is organising everything, but he still is quite forgettable as a villain compared to Raphael and Auntie Ethel. And Ethel isn't even connected to the main plot, but I remembered her, with the three chosen - I couldn't even remember Gortashs and Orins name after the first playthrough. Ketheric was pretty well done in comparison and he was better build up.
But I really, really don't want another romance - like Thunderbolt said, it could all go the Halsin way and a romance does not automatically give depth to a character. Though I don't know how Gortash possibly could become a worse person, than he already is, being a slaver, armsdealer and a Banite.

I would have liked to have been able to keep Gortash alive. After learning his heavy backstory, I don't want him dead at all, and I can't help but admire his intelligence and strength of character, the way he went about his goal, fighting his way literally from the bottom. I understand why other players want a romantic line with him, after all, there's the possibility of sleeping with Mizora, with the Emperor... Gortash would still clearly be more interesting than the "pleasure" of having fun with illithid tentacles (well, maybe I just don't understand exotics and most people have a different opinion, I don't know). Gortash can be "romantic" if it suits his plans and objectives, in one of the bank vaults you can find a diary of a noble lady describing her romance with Enver. The only point is that if they do make a romance with him, I'd like him not to be like Halsin and the Emperor, starting to molest Tav, it will spoil his image. It would be much better to add some subtle and intelligent flirting lines that the player can choose if they want to, thus drawing his attention and activating the romance line.

Yeeaah, people, how dare you like something and sound your opinion! AND to ask for something like a romance option or additional content for a beloved game and it's character/s?!

Absolutely disgusting behaviour. /sarcasm

You do realise, that people are not against additional content. I said in the Raphael and in this thread, that both characters could do with more content. For example the whole Crown of Karsus plotline, that was just kind of handwaved. Two mortals breaking into Cania and just grab the crown and stroll out again. I would have liked, if that would have lead to something for example. Maybe some cunning plot of Mephistopheles or something similar.

What I don't want, is a silly romance plot with no sense like the Halsin debacle. Really, just look at that train wreck and ask yourself again: if Gortash or Raphael or someone else is your favourite character, do you really want the Halsin treatment for them?

Wasn't quoting you, no one really. I'm disappointed with the contents of page 1 really.

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In fact I just read your message not sure why you think I'd point any of that at you.. you have an opinion, make a point and not only that but build up on

Because of my joke about the drider and the necromancer mostly and also because I did say on a few occasions in different threads, that I don't like to see more romances. I'd rather see the different storyliens, that are only touched upon, expanded.

People are certainly entitled to opinions. Unfortunately, some of those opinions are just bad. They make things worse all around. As such, I think it's important to be vocal when confronted with those opinions. To stand up and say, "Enough."

late reply to everything as i forgot I've posted this.
Wow, how dare I have an opinion. apologies. To those who used constructive criticism, thank you for being kind about it.
Listen, I understand some of y'all's points.
Now a few points to address.

-"He's evil and has done x y z"
I know. I'm fully aware, so has Mizora. She literally is a devil and tortures thousands of souls for her (and if you romancer her YOUR) pleasure. Yet that's fine? Why, because shes conventionally attractive? There are many evil characters (some even worse than gort) that people thirst over. And yet only in this case it's a problem? What about the Emperor who literally manipulates/deceives and gaslights you into doing his bidding?

-"He's ugly"
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Even jason issacs said he's hot lmao.

-"He's shallow and has no backstory/reason for his doing"
A simple google search on his backstory will suffice, my friend.

-"If he should be romancable, so should Orin"
Agreed.

-"If you like him you're x y z"
No. There's a difference between fiction and reality. Would I like someone like him if he was real? Hellno! But BG3 is fiction, it's not real.

Now on a slightly better note, I do appreciate all the replies. Some were respectful, others were't but that's what a forum is for. Discussing.
Happy gaming y'all!

Excellent response, jennaX.

While I'm not optimistic for a multitude of reasons, my hope is that one day modding can reach enough sophistication that we can add in additional Gortash content. Most important to me is an ending where he lives, with an epilogue that acknowledges it. I'm more than happy to use my imagination as far as romance goes (in fact, I prefer it at this point as I've found the lack of agency/control in Larian's scenes to be upsetting), but Gortash was robbed of a proper ending and content, in general.

Thank you, I value constrictive criticism over many things in life. I knew people would disagree with me but wow, some replies were downright rude!

Back to Gort. I can agree. While as I mentioned a romance is often desired, mainly what I want is more content evolving around him and specifically an ending where you can rule over fâerun together.

As I said, more content is always good and Gortash and Orin both fall a bit short in that regard. I called them the artificer and the murderhobo most of the time, because I couldn't even remember the names.after my first playthrough. There should be more info about the whole Absolute plan, the Crown of Karsus heist and yes, maybe a way to side with either Gortash or Orin in earnest for a "Rule in Terror together" ending. The evil path has too few rewards as it is. Maybe make Gortash and Orin optional act 3 companions, since you will miss out on a lot of companions already in an evil playthrough, like Wyll, Karlach, Jaheira and Minsc.
Make it, that if you side with Gortash, you won't be able to deal with Raphael for example ( I think, most people do the House of Hope heist anyway, because it is so good).
Both Gortash and Orin can do with a bit more background info. I mean BG 1 & 2 player already know a lot about Bhaal and Bhaalspawn, but Bane for example was a deity, I hadn't had much knowledge over - and I play DnD for more than 20 years now.
Both their background stories are easily missable, which is sad,since you really have to be totally ignorant to not get everything there is to know about Ketheric, the most explored of the three Chosen.
As it is, Raphael and Auntie Ethel are more interesting as villains, because they are more fleshed out.

I guess Gortash in particular suffered from the scratched upper city storyline - similar as Cazador.

So yeah, long rant short: more valuable content is great to explore the story more, but I don't personally count romance among that. And I'm glad, they left the Gortash/Durge story vague, so that you can decide, if theirs was just a very good working relationship,a friendship or a romantic relationship.

Yes PLEASE. Evil route deseprately needs more content, and Gortash romance would be a great addition. Even if it's just an ending. I also think he got nerfed because of the lack of Upper City. It would be great if one day we could see it.

Not going to lie I would be happy for a Dark Urge & Gortash private quest especially as they messed up my evil partner for my main dark urge with the new kisses and I've just allied myself with the Tyrant.
My evil partners has now been reduced to Minthara and I killed her in Act 1 .

Fix the sad face on DU Tav and I'd finish that route

I'm also one of the older players that has Emo days flashbacks when I liked Green Day and MCR so he's kind of up my street and I was a big fan of Lucius Malfoy so Jason Issacs has been cemented as one of my all time faves I like a bad guy .

More content would be awesome

More Content with Dark Urge & Gortash would be so amazing. They deserve a happy evil ending, because they are perfect for each other. I hope Larian will give us something more than what is actual in the game. At the moment I feed myself on Ao3 and youtube for what could have been, but this is not enough for me.