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My buddy was saying that but I thought he was talking about the one where God gale tells karlach she'd have to worship him as a God and he might be able to cure it in a few years. Karlach understandably wasn't too keen on that idea and that's pretty much where it ends.
On an unrelated note fuck gale.

If that's true I really hope they make that an option in all characters so I can do durge runs

Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't this from way back when the not yet released epilogues were datamined? I could be wrong tho, but this somehow reminded me that I already read this somewhere.

Also, Godhood Gale is super arrogant (as we can see in his ending) and I doubt he will just freely grant a wish like that without getting something equal in value in return

I'm assuming it's frowned upon for a god to help a mortal directly or in any other means as it would anger Ao. Then again we have Mystra doing all kinds of deus ex machinery on Gale which is ridiculous, imo.

Literally he can be human again if he turns mindflayer, in one of his endings as per the new patch notes. And somehow it's impossible for Karlach to get a cure.... even if she did find a place to fix her heart according to epilogues. It's just a bit crazy how Gale can get cured in various ways because he 'banged' a goddess.

Which is why i'm hoping for a dlc or a special mission of some sorts for Karlach so we can be the ones to help her instead of it being an event that happens w/o us participating in it. I'd sell my soul to see Karlach's happy face after her heart fix.

She transforms him back into a human before taking him to Elysium, which means he is a dead human and not a dead mind flayer but still very much not part of this world anymore. A few lines further up or down it states that Elysium-Gale attends the party as a wisp now. And yes Ao doesn't allow to meddle with things directly - might also be related to him being a baby god - so he can only help within his boundaries.

So.... gods can't meddle in mortal affairs but mystra can just snap her fingers and change gales whole body on a whim?
Just seems like I'm more justified to hate gale for not helping now tbh. I didn't know mystra was so heavy handed like that.

What she really restores isn't his body but his soul and his humanity, as she afterwards takes him to Elysium, which also is the promised reward for detonating the orb. It's not a fix it for a broken body, it's just a particularly nice place in the afterlife. So no, she doesn't meddle in mortal affairs as the person she restores is afterwards removed from fate. Unless they changed this - which it doesn't read like - if he wants to return to the world, he has to stay a squid.

But haters gonna hate.

It is worse than that. Gale's deus ex machina puts the entire main plot in question. The dead three were threatening the power of other gods by destroying the souls of their followers. Burning down the fields of the competition, is what Bane calls it, when you use speak with the dead on Gortash. But then Gale's origin reveals that divine intervention can restore a soul, even for an illithid. Which would make the plan a non-issue for the gods.

At the same time neither Withers, nor even a good deity like Seluna, who on the good path owes her daughter's freedom to the protagonist, will intervene. And it's not like Withers is not capable of deus ex machina; he does it in the dark urge questline.

Compared to EA, Gale is written more like a Karsus fanfiction at this point, existing in his own realm of the writer's power fantasy.

That Selune point is solid. After all the things we (possibly) did for her, she does nothing. It's, quite frankly, just silly.

i want so bad to fix our red golden retriever's heart that i create this forum account just to post it here

So... any larian employee want to leak some karlach dlc info? I won't tell no one.

Possible spoilers regarding Raphael and Karlach's engine

The white male CEO of Larian has already summed up why Karlach's ending won't be changed. The ending they've written is the ending that a non-white woman from a racially-discriminated group "deserves", in his opinion.

The white male CEO of Larian has already summed up why Karlach's ending won't be changed. The ending they've written is the ending that a non-white woman from a racial group whom the story constantly tries to justify the oppression and dehumanization of "deserves", in his opinion. It's her fault for not being a white man human or elf and thus inherently deserving of sympathy even if they're among the ones being racist and abusive to people like her.

Is this new content, hinted at by someone, or just wishful thinking? I agree that a moment where the pc sells their soul to raph in order to save karlach would be an insanly strong emotional moment and the fact it didn't happen is really wild. But most of act 3 is like that tbh, it's alot of plot holes that have very simple fixes.

Oh god, you are here too.

It's just an observation that you can't even bring the subject up during that discussion, which makes zero sense.

I don't agree 100% with their point but to be fair gale has a similar problem to karlach but instead of gale getting shafted, left to burn alive on a random ass dock he gets full blown godhood given to him because?????? Reasons. It's pretty suspect that larian just so happened to make one if karlachs "good" endings as her begging/worshipping God gale for a chance to fix her engine.
Again fuck gale man POS.

I'd love to see something like that

Pretty sure Gale's a self-insert character for the writers or something. Or that he was supposed to be Elminster but WotC said no.

Ya know you're probably right his character plays like a bad self insert but I'd rather have him than elminster tbh.