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Hey, you forgot Minsc in the poll. He's the only possible companion missing.

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After several playthroughs and having explored different permutations quite extensively, Minthara is the one that first comes to my mind without any doubts, in fact I have multiple favorites as so many characters are just so well designed for different reasons but if I really had to pick only one, Minthara always!

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I don't know about favorite, but I can tell you that Wyll is absolutely useless!
His Eldritch Blast never hits, and he goes down before even Shadowheart every time.

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A character is only as useful as you make them. Maybe you need to increase his armor class.

Edit: Good to see my girl Shadowheart getting lots of votes. smile

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Originally Posted by LeeRutland
I don't know about favorite, but I can tell you that Wyll is absolutely useless!
His Eldritch Blast never hits, and he goes down before even Shadowheart every time.

Wyll's default stat block is terrible. I complained about this during early access, but here we are...

Its easy enough to fix with respec though. Drop int to 10, wis to 8, and cha to 16. That should give you enough points to boost dex to 16 and hold con at 14. If you use mage armor and a shield this gets your AC to 18, which is good enough if you stay back.

If you take devils sight (and you should) then you can cast darkness on yourself and stand in it for better defense and advantage on attacks.

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Originally Posted by dwig
Wyll's default stat block is terrible.

Honestly, it's not that bad.

It's only issue is the lack of DEX which is notable for a class that only gets Light Armour proficiency which is the same as for Gale (Gale and Wyll have identical stat blocks with just INT and CHR mirrored), which people also find somewhat squishy. Though Warlocks get access to a plethora of tools to aid their survival like Fiendish Vigor, Dark One's Blessing, Dorkness, Hunger of Hadar etc. I suppose Shield makes survivability more favourable for Gale because that's a great spell (Not so much early on when you're still relying on level 1 spell slots for damage)

I've seen people complain about Wyll not hitting things, but that makes no sense. He literally has maxed out CHR so he has the full +3 bonus on his Eldritch Blasts (And Rapier if you go Pact of the Blade) and can toss him the Melf staff for an extra +1 just like Gale with his spells.

Shadowheart has by far the worst stat distribution of any origin character. 13 STR, 13 DEX, 10 INT and Clerics having trash cantrips means she can't hit with anything. Both types of melee weapons and all ranged weapons are useless with only +1, her Fire Bolt is useless, Sacred Flame is useless leaving her with only Produce Flame which is annoying to use...

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Originally Posted by Taril
Originally Posted by dwig
Wyll's default stat block is terrible.

Shadowheart has by far the worst stat distribution of any origin character. 13 STR, 13 DEX, 10 INT and Clerics having trash cantrips means she can't hit with anything. Both types of melee weapons and all ranged weapons are useless with only +1, her Fire Bolt is useless, Sacred Flame is useless leaving her with only Produce Flame which is annoying to use...

I agree that her early stat distribution is bad. That’s why I respec her right away, to make sure she has even numbers for every stat. I don’t think that clerics have trash cantrips though. Offensive cantrips, yeah, those are awful, but thaumaturgy and guidance are in my opinion the best cantrips in the game. Cleric is actually my favorite class to play and it’s so powerful once you get it built up. So that’s part of why Shadowheart is my favorite character! (Don’t want to go completely off topic, lol.)

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Shadowhearts less than stellar dexterity is mitigated by the fact that she wears medium armor. I also don't use her for dps, so the fact that she is stuck with sacred flame at range prior to respec doesn't really bother me much. Stay back, concentrate on bless, and occasionally do chip damage is all I ask of her (at least early, she can do much more after a respec).

I suppose that Wyll's block bugs me more because he is supposed to be a famous swordsman, and during early access his mouth wrote a lot of checks that his 13 dex couldn't cash.

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Originally Posted by LeeRutland
I don't know about favorite, but I can tell you that Wyll is absolutely useless!
His Eldritch Blast never hits, and he goes down before even Shadowheart every time.
Or maybe you just don't know how to play a warlock. Wyll's eldritch blast was the reason my level two, three person party won against the harpies. laugh
On a side note, at low levels, it's one of the most interesting fights in the game, imo.

And I agree that Shadowheart's stats (and domain) are the worst. But I prefer druids and bards to clerics, anyway.

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BTW as female Warlock/Sorceress I wanted to date Gale and get a bond to Shadowheart. No way, as we all know well. Shadowheart dumped me after I decided for Gale, which I can understand to a certain degree. Then Gale dumped me just because of a little experimenting with Mizora. The bl... guy is such a hypocrit, typically male. Especially he should have some appreciation for nonconform behavior. And I'm a Warlock, what did he think in the first place when he fired at me his markish drivel to get me? The mood in the party is a bit frosty since.

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Originally Posted by Ecc2ca
I don’t think that clerics have trash cantrips though. Offensive cantrips, yeah, those are awful

Yeah, well when we're talking about hitting things... I'm clearly not talking about Guidance (But Guidance isn't special for Clerics, Druids get it, Warlocks can get it, an early item can let anyone get it)

Even if Shadowheart isn't being played as a main DPS, it's still awful that she can't do anything pre-Spirit Guardians (Or Spell Sniper Eldritch Blast - Which I still don't like because you can't put it on the custom bar) besides cast Bless and then sit on her hands while she misses with everything.

With it being even more egregious if you want her to use the spear that's a major part of her story. As she's totally unsuitable to actually do anything with it...

She's still best girl, especially since a quick respec to give her proper stats and move her away from Trashery domain and she can be awesome.

I just don't get people dunking on Wyll for "Always missing" or having "A bad stat block" when Shadowheart has it much worse.

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That happens when you cheat on someone. hahaha

In regards to never hitting and always dying: I started a new game just now and I have the impression that everyone hits less consistently early in the game than later on. I have even Lae'zel and Gale miss attacks and that just never happens later in the game. It's no surprise either because you have hardly any magical gear or other boosts to your stats so you have to be a bit more careful.

(On a side note to the side note: The harpies managed to charm my whole group yesterday and Lae trashed Gale before breaking free and taking bloody revenge on the bird ladies. It was a bit awesome but I almost thought, we were done for.)

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Originally Posted by Taril
Even if Shadowheart isn't being played as a main DPS, it's still awful that she can't do anything pre-Spirit Guardians (Or Spell Sniper Eldritch Blast - Which I still don't like because you can't put it on the custom bar) besides cast Bless and then sit on her hands while she misses with everything.
I give her "Tenacity" weapons ...


Originally Posted by Taril
I just don't get people dunking on Wyll for "Always missing" or having "A bad stat block" when Shadowheart has it much worse.
That's patriarchical female autonomy oppressing misogyny in action.

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Originally Posted by Taril
Originally Posted by dwig
Wyll's default stat block is terrible.

Honestly, it's not that bad.

It's only issue is the lack of DEX which is notable for a class that only gets Light Armour proficiency which is the same as for Gale (Gale and Wyll have identical stat blocks with just INT and CHR mirrored), which people also find somewhat squishy. Though Warlocks get access to a plethora of tools to aid their survival like Fiendish Vigor, Dark One's Blessing, Dorkness, Hunger of Hadar etc. I suppose Shield makes survivability more favourable for Gale because that's a great spell (Not so much early on when you're still relying on level 1 spell slots for damage)

I've seen people complain about Wyll not hitting things, but that makes no sense. He literally has maxed out CHR so he has the full +3 bonus on his Eldritch Blasts (And Rapier if you go Pact of the Blade) and can toss him the Melf staff for an extra +1 just like Gale with his spells.

Shadowheart has by far the worst stat distribution of any origin character. 13 STR, 13 DEX, 10 INT and Clerics having trash cantrips means she can't hit with anything. Both types of melee weapons and all ranged weapons are useless with only +1, her Fire Bolt is useless, Sacred Flame is useless leaving her with only Produce Flame which is annoying to use...
Totally agree! The first thing I do is respec her when I get Withers, then go to Blighted Village and get the ogre's Intelligence band.

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