Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
It really seems to me like making Halsin and Minthara companionos was a mistake on Larian's part. Most people seem unhappy, they have to spend so much time and money constantly fixing and adding things to make the inclusion work, and it just makes other stuff confusing and complicated in turn. I think Larian would have been better off not listening to fans on this one. Clearly taking characters who aren't meant to be companions and making them companions is just a bad idea. Hopefully they've learned their lesson and don't repeat this mistake with any of the other characters people are asking for.

I agree, most problems players have are somewhat connected to Halsin or partly, Minthara. They clearly intended to have them as story characters who may return for the final battle (at least in Halsin's case) and that leads to continuity problems. Imo Larian should have taken their time to work on that matter, so they can come up with well written way how to have them as companions and potential LI, instead of adding them with haste while being in the last stages of finishing the game.
I can only imagine how much better it could've been if they had waited for a possible Definitive Edition to add them and maybe even someone else like Alfira or the halfling bard (iirc) that got cut out.

Originally Posted by autistichalsin
Yes, the ultimatum, assuming it's implemented, has a VERY specific trigger (and this, btw, is how you let the Rite of Thorns complete without harming any Druids or Tieflings). The trigger is: "Visit the Grove in Act 1. Then visit the Goblin Camp and tell Minthara you will help her raid the Grove.Without long resting, go to the Grove and move the idol of Sylvanas, setting off the Druid/Teifling conflict. Flee from the fight. Then go back to the goblin cmap and free Halsin, tell him the grove has been sealed so he joins your camp. Go to Act 2 and visit Moonrise Towers. Save Minthara and tell her to join your camp. Go to long rest and get the CRD." (Typos and misspellings not mine, this is literally copy/pasted from the datamined files.)

This is such an extreme edge case that you would have to be TRYING to trigger the ultimatum. Especially with the "without long resting" condition. 99% of players will never encounter this, and the remaining 1% are going to be those of us who want to see how it plays out.

I also checked that with a friend of mine, it seems like the trigger you mentioned is more like a step-by-step guide on how to get the flags needed.
"HowToTrigger" is a code note for programmers and testers, not the code itself. Here they describe the most accessible and working method at the time of writing. This is an assembly for colleagues, not the player who will dig it up.

Now the code itself. This is a flag checking if Mintara and Halsina are both in the camp. If yes, queue up the scene with the ultimatum.
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And this is the flag of the scene itself:
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Which means the prerequisite is that they both be in the camp.

The (possibly only) legitimate way to get both into the camp is by triggering the rite of thorns (which is included in the step-by-step guide you posted).

Last edited by Filia; 18/02/24 10:38 AM.
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