Sorry I might have latched on to the wrong thing there then, cause I thought it was in response like I was one of all those apologists, though I guess I probably am, so it wouldn't be unfair really. What I meant by gettin' love is just that there is a lot of crossover between these fandoms and on these forums, particularly between WotR players and BG3 players. For example I own and enjoy playing both games and appreciate what they've done. It is probably somewhat nonsensical, many I gather do not feel that way, but still, that's where I'm at with it these days. I know Rogue trader's got it's own thing going on now over there, I just went for the familiar cause it seemed simpler to compare the BG3 EA to the Pathfinder WotR Beta in my mental shorthand. I think I would have preferred a public Beta for BG3 more along the lines of the WotR Beta, cause I think it would have accomplished more in a shorter span of time and felt a bit more gratifying with that kind of consistency and back and forth. Although honestly, the scale up seems different too, like just somewhat easier to do I'd imagine when the focus is very clear and curated and the feedback is more directed.
These boards have been fielding frustrations aimed at Larian daily for some time and how they communicate here (or don't, or didn't during EA specifically) but then the people reading these posts now and engaging here are mostly just the players, not really the developers, so I dont know. It's a very different sort of community engagement or support if one wants to call it that, and the approach to taking feedback or general criticisms is of a different kind altogether, because its so indirect, rather than direct. It all seems to crack off by proxy. When it comes to the gripes they just take it on the chin mostly I guess, and never come clapping back except like once in a blue moon, say when a big patch drops. Then it's radio silence, unless one wants to hunt around elsewhere.
Like in 4 years this has been the drill the whole time pretty much. It's frustrating but not at all surprising at this point. And then I think often a defense of the player base or their enthusiasm for the game itself can be conflated with a defense of everything Larian does, or has done, or their style and approach on this score, which wouldn't be my take away, cause for me it's all pretty fraught. Again, didn't want to sidetrack too hard, these thread are always pretty interesting to me cause they're kinda like lightning rods and sparks sorta fly, especially in the weeks right after a big patch comes through. I find it very challenging to follow this game in other places, cause the stuff all moves at warp speed. Here we get a bit more slo mo on it, so I can actually read what people are thinking and try to process it without too much rush, but I probably slip sometimes pinballing between threads, or missing the keynote. I don't know what breaks through over here esp in General, points well taken though.
Ps. Also just to note, that a couple weeks later Larian did surface to say pretty much exactly what was requested by the OP and also fixed the shield bash and dropped those new idles I was hoping we might get. The second that happens though, whatever the thing was, it tends to recede into the background, replaced by other concerns or new bugs. Hotfix dropped last night right? It's a lot of wait and see here, I agree - kinda rough. Oh and one other knock on thought for whatever its worth, but just a personal level I had never played a larian game before this one, so it was all a big mystery to me how it would look or whether they could pull it off, and I really wanted that to see that, whereas with the Pathfinder games I just felt like those were hitting the marks pretty early. So I had confidence and didn't really feel the desire to weigh in, cause they delivered for me on kingmaker and the follow up for sure, even if I have complicated feelings on that one, it's a great game. But BG coming back felt like the ultimate dice roll somehow, where I'm blowing on the dice in total trepidation at all times - like good grief please let them not hose this one. So far so good I'd say on balance, but doesn't feel done.
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