With that in mind, in my opinion the kisses are trying to display D/s dynamics, not SM.
THANK YOU for your Insight! <3 I hope Larian will read your entire post! And thank you for pointing this out. Whenever I said "SM" I meant D/s dynamics, I am NOT a professional into the terminology. So if someone wants to know more about it, stick to Seramina's explanation.
Originally Posted by Seramina
The mind control/noncon stuff aren't actually BDSM, they're their own specific kink, and they shouldn't be lumped together with BDSM where trust and respect are integral to a healthy dynamic.
(...) The animations look like they're made by someone who heard "D/s power dynamics" and just put their frankly insulting misconception in the game. It's like someone who thinks kink is weird and gross just assumes that D/s is all about humiliation or something and thought that if you have to kneel you're not going to enjoy it (which makes me think the animations were done by a straight man with no experience or knowledge of BDSM because they're often the ones who think kneeling is supposed to be humiliating).
That's what some of us are thinking, it would make a lot of sense. They may be inspired by some "non-con" stuff or as you said, think Tav wouldn't enjoy to kneel down or to be slapped. (I really do like that little harmless slap in the "bite kiss"...my Tav would never look pissed-off after this.. he would be aroused. ) The whole kiss contradicts itself. Contempt, disgust, fear, but if you don't enjoy a thing, you wouldn't close your eyes and kiss someone back, and right after show Disgust again. It doesn't work out either way. Insulting misconception is the right word.
Originally Posted by Seramina
and it's always consensual and enjoyable to both parties.
This.
Originally Posted by Seramina
I don't understand how the devs screwed this up so bad. At least the fix is easy (some changes to animations; nothing needs to be changed from the ground up), so hopefully Larian gets on it. Right now the kisses are triggering, abusive, and harmful to an entire kink community that's already misunderstood and rarely portrayed well. That's an accomplishment in its own right and if the devs wanted that then congrats they succeeded.
Thank you, this! It's triggering and a huge dissservice. I hope so too!
Originally Posted by Seramina
I don't know if this is of interest or matters to anyone, but since the topic came up I thought it good to at least offer this information because even from the BDSM side this is really bad, and knowing why should matter in this discussion
I appreciate someone made this clear and support our thought about these terrible non-consensual kisses!
Last edited by Zayir; 26/02/2405:15 PM.
"I would, thank God, watch the universe perish without shedding a tear."
) The whole kiss contradicts itself. Contempt, disgust, fear, but if you don't enjoy a thing, you wouldn't close your eyes and kiss someone back, and right after show Disgust again. It doesn't work out either way. Insulting misconception is the right word.
