Hey everyone! On the topic of Minthara's issues, which Crimsomrider has wonderfully highlighted, I also made a bug list to keep track of them last week so I thought I'd share it here. It's been updated for Hotfix #20 and it will continue to be updated periodically to give you the latest info.

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The aim of this document is essentially to gather information so that it may help:
1. Players who are returning to their game after a new update,
2. Players who are recruiting Minthara for the first time,
3. The Larian development team, so they can (maybe) have an easier time looking into Minthara-specific issues.

Folks on Discord and other platforms have kindly given me information about the issues listed here. If anyone here wishes to contribute or suggest a bug that is not yet on the list, please let me know! Send me a message here or over at Tumblr and I'll reply when I can. Reporting bugs to Larian Support should still be the first priority, but I think we also need to share this on social media to spread the word. Let’s hope they fix and improve Minthara soon :3

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Now, onto replying to other posts, hehe. Thank you for your list, Crimsomrider! It's clear you've put a lot of thought and effort into writing and even making videos about this. I hope you've been sending these to their emails to bring it to their attention. Would you mind if I shared the link to your videos/pictures on another platform? More people need to see this. There are a few things I want to comment on, however! I wish I could have done this much sooner but the forum has been dying on me, rip.

Originally Posted by Crimsomrider
  • Despite Minthara fully admiring, supporting and being incredibly vocal about Dark Urge seizing their legacy, she has nothing to say to Dark Urge if they become eternally cursed by Bhaal or freed of Bhaal, after Orin is dead. Considering how much she loves Dark Urge and how much she is against being dominated, it is against her character to not have anything to say to her lover about it.
Firstly, yes, the fact that Durge can bring up how they're free of their urges if they resist Bhaal to every other companion except Minthara truly speaks for itself. She only reacts to Orin, not Durge, who cares if they're her lover? It's almost as if they never took the Durge into account when developing this part for Minthara - so it's an oversight, one of many, of course.

In Act 2, she isn't even present when Durge wakes up in cold sweat and gets the urge to kill their lover, Minthara just threatens them the next morning. Considering the depth of her affection, it doesn't make sense for her to not ask about this and try to understand their affliction, even if she couldn't be present. Her threat (as endearing as they usually are) in this scenario felt disconnected and it personally broke my immersion lol, maybe I'm reading into it too much? I would not have minded this reaction at all if my Durge wasn't romancing her, but they were. The whiplash I got from picking the kiss option right after this dialogue was, remarkable XD

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I hope they decide to make her available for this scene later on. It would definitely add a more natural progression in terms of romance, which she is lacking at the moment.

They've been sidelining Minthara for months now but every time I complain somewhere, I get someone who tells me that she's a non-origin character and that it's delusional to think she should get an equal amount of content as others. By that logic, everyone who sent in suggestions for Minthara and Halsin to be a companion during EA is also delusional - but Larian still listened, so it's irrelevant tbh. I get a little annoyed when people are oblivious to, or worse ignore, the fact that Minthara is nowhere near finished as a companion by the game's own standards and think this isn't valid criticism.

With that said, I do acknowledge that Larian is trying and have been making improvements to her as of late. So, saying they've put "zero" care and attention to Minthara is doing them some disservice. At the same time, I understand the positives quickly get overshadowed by major bugs like the one that's been introduced in Patch #6 where she spoils a very important character reveal for everyone.

The game sure is "complex", everyone loves to use that excuse (I do too) but one has to wonder why Minthara has been on the receiving end of crippling bugs like this for 7 months now. As someone who sends bug reports almost exclusively for Minthara, even detailing out the steps to reproduce these issues, I feel like all my efforts have been in vain lol. I'm optimistic Larian will fix all of this in due time, but I can't deny it's frustrating to see they're still treating her like this. Just, the lack of care. We're really just asking for the bare minimum here.

Originally Posted by Crimsomrider
  • When Minthara is recruited to the camp via the optional knockout method, she and Halsin are sharing the same camp spot. She deserves her own place.
They have already fixed this to my knowledge. As of Patch #6, Halsin now moves to a random spot at camp after a long rest and they are completely separate from each other. I think it would be better if Halsin got his own tent too, but they might still be working on the ultimatum - which, judging from the datamined dialogue, doesn't make too much sense narratively. I hope they reframe the conflict a bit better before implementing it, it's very one-sided right now (imo) we need higher stakes and Halsin's reasoning for his little tantrum should be expanded further.

Originally Posted by Crimsomrider
  • Minthara's 'True Soul Of The Absolute' title - This title under Minthara's name HAS TO BE REMOVED once she's recruited. She is an abducted victim who was lured to Moonrise through an elaborate master plan by Ketheric, forcibly dominated against her will by Orin to be her personal pet and then later became traumatized by the whole experience to the point she's cripplingly afraid of Orin.
Originally Posted by Veranis
To the things that need fixing I want to add that she is still stuck in her "grove attack" persona crying "For the Absolute!" in every fight up until the ending.
I wonder what causes these two bugs. I never got them. I’ve spoken about this with other players and I was under the impression they were older bugs that have been fixed for a while now. Are you perhaps playing on an older save, like Patch 1 or 2? She now has the ‘Nightwarden’ title, which should be removed too tbh. I did some research and Nightwardens seem to refer to a group of clerics and paladins that are in service of Lolth. If there are any lore experts in here, feel free to correct that definition if I'm mistaken, but that definitely doesn't sound like Minthara either.

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As for the knockout recruitment, I have always been in support of an alternative for Minthara even as someone who enjoyed the evil route. An automatic knockout system or better put - a safeguard, is definitely preferable to what we have now. They could add a cutscene where we are given the choice to kill or spare her, but the latter might have to lead to an interrogation and her fleeing later on if we are to follow the current game events where we meet her in Act 2. Act 1 recruitment for Minthara is very very unlikely to be added this late into development, unless they've been working on it since day 1.

Anyway, that's all my rambling for now. Fingers crossed the Emperor bug gets fixed next week, I've been trying to document her lack of reactivity as well but this issue has been getting in the way. As for Patch 7 though; according to Larian's Community Manager on Discord, it might come much later than two weeks: "As this is no small task, we hope to introduce the initial stages of modding support in our next big patch, which is still several months away." So we might just be getting hotfixes for now, or they're going to sneak in small patches in-between. The wording is a bit confusing, but I'd be happy if we could get a bug-free Minthara for just one update.


Minthara bug list, updated for Hotfix #22.