Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Less racism in the game?

That's because those complaints have different ideological motivations behind them, with different degrees of potential real-life harm. If someone finds the time and energy to complain about some fictional refugees being treated with "too much sympathy", my suspicion is that we are dealing with a far-right person there. The argument is that this game is bad, because it portrays refugees as "good people", which implies that the complainer thinks that the real-life refugees are bad. It's just a thinly veiled hate-speech.

I disagree with this, though I appreciate where you're coming from.

In my opinion, there is a racial element at play with Wyll. I believe if he were a straight white male, he'd be far more popular. Currently, Gale is the origin most often played, and I suspect that has quite a bit to do with his identity being representative of the majority of players.


I agree.


I disagree. It's a game representing a fantasy world. I'm looking for a story with interesting conflict and cultures and characters. The sky isn't going to fall if refugees are portrayed as dangerous or hurtful to a community. I don't think that argument makes any sense.


I don't think that's relevant. This is a game, and this forum specifically is a place for folks to come and talk about what they'd like in the game. A place to give feedback and talk storytelling and entertainment. Not a place to police real world politics.

Whether someone else likes it or not, far right people exist. They will continue to exist despite efforts to remove their opinions from ongoing conversations.


The argument is not that the entire game is bad because of etc etc etc...

The argument is that the game completely ignores a point of view and thus that portion of the game suffers. Having a more nuanced view about borders and migration does not equal hate speech. Calling it hate speech just makes it impossible to engage in actual dialogue.

And I believe these forums exist for folks to engage in conversation. There is nothing disrespectful about a desire for open communication.

I liked EA Wyll as well. And I am fine with new Wyll too, he really was the only male companion that made good impression on my first run (with others acting like creeps). But it is patch six and none of the bugs I have reported got fixed, with dialogues lacking the proper reactivity towards his quest. His father included. Not only that, I've got new bugs when doing Ansur's quests, with three different dialogue versions triggering one after another. Meanwhile Gale's buggy romantic advances got fixed very quickly after launch, and his dialogue in the weave scene got adjusted. Reminded me how Larian kept patching Gale's biggest downside (needing powerful magical.items) to the point where it is more of a joke now.

Because a side character written as good aligned is not contradictory evidence. Wyll's father is actually part of the problem. He is lacking reactivity to what is happening with his own child, both due to bugs that have been there since launch and due to lack of dialogue. On patch six he still talks as if Wyll damned his soul even if you break the pact. When I have tried Wyll's romance, on patch five, he had zero reaction to his estranged son getting engaged. No reaction to the devil who tried to murder him hanging around, even in Rivington camp, where they are standing next to each other. Now compare that to the different dialogue lines Cazador has, in regards to Astarion; there is even apparently a dialogue where he acknowledges the romance if you meet him without Astarion in the party.

Yes, there should be much more racism and racial conflict.
I'd understand people's concerns if the game would portray light skinned humans and darker skinned humans as being different. But that's not the case. Instead we have fantasy races with no real world connection.
I mean, Gith and Dragonborn aren't even mammals. Gith are evil alien from outer space. Dragonborn are humanoids hatching from dragon eggs. Tiefling are the offspring of some human who made a deal with the devil. Drow are evil spider whorshippers who can live 10 times as long as humans and see exterminating entire families as an act of faith towards their goddess. Duergar are slavers who live in the underground and think that the purpose of any race apart from their own is only to work as slaves.
All of them should be met with hostility or fear when they interact with humans or other good aligned races.

Games these days are lacking good storytelling, because writers are afraid everything will be offensive to someone. Like... well, OP being offended by everything in the game, which is a proof enough on this forum by their posts.

We're sadly past good old days where story was a priority, not the concern that someone who doesn't even play a game will be offended.

Not to mention in the good old days, nobody cared about how xxx face and xxx body looked and complained.
Simple sprites/3d graphics made place for imagination , good story and gameplay.

I agree 100%


I agree 100%

I disagree, if Dragonborn aren't even mammals, why would the lore state that they're warm-blooded and nurse their young, both mammal traits, as far I see it Dragonborn and Gith are in the same boat as the Platypus, also the deal is just one of many options for tieflings, however I agree with the rest.

lol, I think this might be splitting the hair a touch too thin.

So we are resolved then...the consensus is that the game needs more racism.

Glad we could help you there OP

Well, the 'your people are vagrant cutthroats' talk Astarion gives Gandrel is quite similar to anti-Romani racism here in Europe. Which Larian writers being mostly European, I doubt they are unaware, considering that Gur as a fantasy folk share some similarities with Romani people. Gur are portrayed as nomadic, dark skinned people, sometimes with prophetic abilities. I don't play tabletop, but it makes me wonder whether the way human ethnicities are written in dnd really have no 'real world connections'.

Now originally Astarion was hinted to be a corrupted and evil magister, who made crooked rulings, so you could say it was at least in character for him. Larian removed his evil past, but left his little speech.