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I think most would also include Astarion in that list because he has by far the most voice lines and camp scenes. Though I feel in his case most of the writing effort was put into his side the dialogue and not into the player's side of it. In his case I often get the feeling the interactions serve to show him as a character and not the relationship between two characters. Maybe that's also a reason why the epilogue content for him when romanced is so thin.

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Originally Posted by EMC_V
Writing is difficult. It takes time and effort. My feeling is that LArian has devoted more resources to some companions than others. As a result, some dialogs aren't as fleshed out and work as well as others. I might be wrong on this, but just the amount of scenes, interactions and quests, says that Shadow Heart and Laezel have more content and work put in them. If the same amount were put in the others, we would probably start to see more and better options to interact with Astarion and both paths would work better.

Astarion has the most content of any companion in the game, quantity wise. Doesn’t he have like six romance scenes? Shadowheart has like two.

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He has 2.


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Please don't pick on other character fans just because they are now doing the same thing to one of your favs either. It isn't our fault. That is all Larian, we didn't program it.


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He has five: One in Act 1, two versions in Act 2, two versions in Act 3 and many camp scenes, though those aren't strictly romantic. And I don't think anyone was picking on anybody, the statement that Astarion has not much content is just one that is odd because he has a lot.

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Please don't pick on other character fans just because they are now doing the same thing to one of your favs either. It isn't our fault. That is all Larian, we didn't program it.

I was pointing out to the poster that, factually speaking, in terms of sheer amount of content, Astarion has more than any other companion. So I was pointing out that he is not lacking in attention, love, and care from the devs. That’s just incorrect. Nor does he lack in attention from the fanbase, where he is BY FAR the most popular companion I’ve seen discussed online. There is no problem with Astarion not getting attention. Now I will go back to ignoring Astarion related posts. I like the character and have played his quest, but I’m not so comfortable with how the community reacts to him.

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I am just saying that this may be the person's first time in the game and forum, it isn't their fault. They made a statement in this forum about Astarion. That is all. Enough blaming the fans, take your concerns to Larian, not the fans. It is simple as that. Jeez. Don't want any more fights over silly stuff.


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Then maybe don't start them? Ecc2ca wasn't blaming anyone and didn't have any concerns, they were making a statement in a conversation. It happens.

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Originally Posted by DarkAngelBeckons
I am just saying that this may be the person's first time in the game and forum, it isn't their fault. They made a statement in this forum about Astarion. That is all. Enough blaming the fans, take your concerns to Larian, not the fans. It is simple as that. Jeez. Don't want any more fights over silly stuff.

I’m not seeing any blaming or fault-finding here, so let’s take the heat down! I know lots of folk feel very passionately about aspects of the BG3 characters and romances, but hopefully we can still keep things light and friendly with each other, even when we have different preferences and opinions.


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Originally Posted by EMC_V
To sum up, the same effort that has been put in Shadowheart, should be put in the other romances. In Astarion case, that means adding a couple of scenes/interactions in Act 3 after Cazador. Let him ask for an (expensive) present or clothes he likes. Let him ask for a portrait from the artist. Let him disappear one night to do who knows what and later find out what has he done now that he is free (I would say stealing Gale's underwear, but since many people have done that before, something else XD).

I just wanna tell you how much I love your analysis and suggestion, you literally described what I expected and would love to see in the game that I could never express with my broken English.
I know the ritual changed him, but let me know changed him how? not just by neck grabbing or lips biting ,whether is becoming abusive or toxic or evil, but it seems like you can only see that side when you are romancing him, and I am planning on starting a new run just friendzone him, so i would love to see how he shows theses new traits as well, so i could say: hey dude chill!! lol (please correct me if anyone has done friendship path and felt the otherwise. apologize first if I assumed wrongly), thats why i hope the massive change after becoming a vampire ascended, should not be only focus on the intimacy scene but on everyday behavior towards other companions or reactions to side quests/NPC etc., that is if Larian was trying to show his new traits after ascension by the new kssing scenes.

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Spawn feels like (TO ME ONLY NOW, I am not speaking for anyone but myself) that I am his controller or master.
No, not only you, i did the spawn route too, and i feel exactly the same way, this is why i prefer AA route, I mean at least for me even the ritual changed him in someway, you can still see his old self from act1 and 2, and that was why i romanced him in the first place lol,
the spawn feels like he got changed even more drastically than AA , and thats how i personally felt when i played, because at some point i swear to god i was imagining myself asking him: who are you????lololol why are you all sweet and compassionate now? I want my old mischievous-manipulative -kinda evil(sorry for the term because i am not familiar with how DND lore described good evil chaotic ) bf back lol and now i feel this new life spawn is following me everywhere and i have to decide whats good /bad for him like a mommy. (It’s like in act1 and 2 , I have to do anything he likes to get him to confess to me, and in ac3 , I feel it’s the other way around, now he is saying or acting anything that I might like to make me not leave him, if you can get what i mean, but again , it’s just how I felt when I played).
i personally feel Astarion has quite a lot of contents (see our poor boy Wyll T_T), but i really hope Larian could see all these fantastic ideas and feedback and give it another chance to make Astarion both routes more.......mmm...logical?

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That is the thing, it is not back then @florence82 The path for vampires all still fall under "evil" Spawn: neutral evil True Vampire: Lawful Evil Ascended: No idea, but a flavor of evil due to it being a homebrew or nothing in DnD lore at all because it is the original writer's creation. Ascended Bride (general term): Whatever they were in life due to the Dark Kiss Ritual.

1. https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page Search up the above terms ^^

2. https://voltor.narod.ru/vr/vr01_11.htm

That is what the DnD lore states. smile Enjoy!


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Originally Posted by DarkAngelBeckons
1. https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page Search up the above terms ^^

2. https://voltor.narod.ru/vr/vr01_11.htm

That is what the DnD lore states. smile Enjoy!

Thank you , will have a read smile

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Originally Posted by EMC_V
My suggestion is if they wanted to show AA dominance, then maybe they should have tried to make HIM demand a kiss from Tav. Or him asking Tav/DU to wear some revealing/stylish clothes for Astarion at camp. Or even showing possessiveness in situations like Harleep, Maryzora, and Halsin. Example: Tell Maryzora that Tav/DU only has sex if HE says it before Tav has a chance to answer. And him putting down Maryzora.

These would be nice to see.

Originally Posted by EMC_V
Well, you should be able to ask Astarion (or other characters about what they like. Sure, with Laezel you ask about gith things and that is similar. But with Astarion, just a little about Cazador and his past. If you were able to ask what he likes and latter gift him something (like the painting or clothes), that would add to the feeling of closeness and things not being only about Cazador and Tav/DU. And if after Cazador, Astarion had another personal quest that allow him to get closure or settle more into his new path (ascended or spawn), that would make the romance or character arc work better.

I'd love to be able to give him a gift and ask about his wellbeing. I also felt like he was missing a scene after the conclusion to his quest. I really wish they'd add an extra scene for all LIs before you go to the point of no return.

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Also, another question I ask myself, why you can dominate Minthara or Laezel in sex but not Ascended Astarion? Both Minthara, Laezel and Astarion seem to have dominant kink (note: consensual domination is not abusive), but only the woman can be turned to submissive and be dominated. Why?

It's no longer possible to dominate Minthara. You can only do that in Lae'zel's scene.

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