(Off-topic, mostly for Crimsomrider)

Firstly, your frustration is valid and your feelings are not irrelevant. They may be to this thread, but as a fellow Minthara fan, I can’t help but be concerned when I see comments like the one Eddiar quoted. What you've been doing clearly speaks volumes about the passion you have as a player for the game and for Minthara, but it is also important to separate this much stress from your life. As I said in your DMs too, this is affecting you a lot (clearly not in a good way) and I think it's best to just take a break for a while. Maybe come back a bit later when you have a more levelheaded approach/perspective for discussion?

You’ve done an incredible job in compiling bugs and issues among which I will add to the bug list that I'm constantly updating and will be sending to Larian as well. It would be a shame for them to not take your feedback seriously because you weren’t able to take your emotions out of them. There are some very bad parts in the BG3 community, particularly due to the bad apples among Karlach and Astarion fans (sorry, it’s true) and I don’t want this to become Minthara fans either. Why? Because it clearly affected Larian enough that they ceased communication after Karlach got a new ending, and I've seen plenty of people (players) just make fun of their complaints too.

If you ever need to rant or just have someone to talk to, you can shoot me a DM and I can send you an invite to some of the smaller Discord servers I'm in where you can rant about this. Really, some of us are super salty about this and instead cope by making memes and edits. Larian deserves to be called out and receive harsh/blunt feedback when they need it, but they're still people. There will always be a chance they see this little corner of the forum and our words usually matter more than we think. For now, I do hope you've truly calmed down and we can move on to talking about Minthara again, calmly and constructively :3

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Originally Posted by Marielle
Regarding the scene where Minthara breaks up with the DU - I see it, frankly, as a specific intentional insult to the player, by breaking the plot, completely disregarding Mintara's character and her relationship with the DU. And also a bit of deja vu... It feels like someone somewhere has an unhealthy predilection for "showcasing toxic relationships" (or rather, dragging "toxicity" into deep and sincere monogamous relationships with "evil" companions without any correlation to the plot).

Glad to see an Astarion fan stop by, and yes, I also hope Minthara gets the attention she deserves. I’m usually eager when it comes to criticizing Larian about Minthara, but I don’t think this breakup is a deliberate insult at all tbh. It’s easy to say that, what with how little they’ve paid attention to her and what I’ve seen about AA (though people's interpretations do vary for this), but we really don’t know anything yet.

This is why I said this particular scene is “leaning towards” character assassination, I refrained from blasting this scene to the Hells with my full opinion because it’s in such a raw and bizarre state. For the sake of discussion (and our sanity), we need to remember this game is still being developed guys. This is especially true for Minthara herself so, while it may seem a certain way to us, let's try not to jump to conclusions too much.

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The breakup doesn’t even work, literally. As Xenonian said a couple pages back, there is no code string (whatever you call it) for setting the “Partnered” flag to “False” so it has no effect whatsoever. Plus it’s listed as a topical greeting, not as an important event which are usually indicated with ! above her head. This means it’s missable. We can compare this to Astarion's breakup when you decide to free Yurgir after killing the last Dark Justiciar, where he does have a ! pop-up and the scene triggers automatically.

I actually just tested this today (P.S. Crimsomrider, feel free to correct me as you said you extensively tested this before) but apparently if you don’t talk to Minthara at all after resisting Bhaal and then go to a place where she would have a new reaction, the breakup would simply be overwritten.

I took Minthara through Cazador’s Palace with Astarion and Jaheira in tow. Here's what happened when I talked to her before using the dais/elevator:

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As you can see, she still wanted to break up with DU here and at any point before this that I can remember. Then I decided to reload this save, went down, and talked to her near the dungeons. Here's what happened:

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No breakup. I wanted to make sure it's gone, so I talked to her again:

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I ended up defeating Cazador and, guess what? She just talks about Gale again XD

I long rested afterwards and she goes back to asking "You wish to consult me?" as usual. No breakup to be found, we're just making out in front of Wyll. I tested this multiple times, including not talking to her at all until after I defeated Cazador. It just reverts back to her talking about Gale. If I talk to her before using the dais, the breakup will always trigger. This is very likely not tied to Cazador at all, but just about any new reaction that can replace her greeting post-resisting Bhaal.

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After all this, I’m convinced this breakup dialogue was simply never meant to be added into the game at this point in time. This has huge potential to be removed, changed, or developed further especially because 1) it's bugged as hell, 2) they didn't say anything about this in the patch notes, 3) this particular dialogue was written very early in development and we know Minthara had several changes made to her writing before release. I'm ready to clown if I get proven wrong, but this is my opinion for now and I stand by it lol.

If anyone wants to follow the method I used above, please let me know. I want to confirm if the breakup can be skipped for other people too.

P.P.S. I can confirm the dialogue for Minthara after killing Orin is bugged for a lot of players. It used to work for some time, but now Disguise Self is indeed required for it to trigger again. I will add this to the bug list and bring it to their attention >:3


Minthara bug list, updated for Hotfix #22.