We can definitely agree to disagree on this and any other point. I don't know what you're looking for in terms of a good faith discussion, but hopefully this falls in that category.
Oh, don't worry, you're definitely engaging in good faith! This is completely on me. I think on my end I just find the debate about whether or not AA is happy/a good ending/etc to be tiring for me by now, even if all participants are constructively engaging. I've come to realise that we're all just going to maintain our points of view so these conversations end up being circular. I mean, I know on my end I'm very convinced of my views and consider them quite watertight, and I expect most people on this forum to feel the same about theirs, different as they may be, so I don't think trying to debate what the "real" narrative is is productive in the end. I don't think that's what you were doing here, but I hope I got my point across about why it stresses me out a bit. I just much prefer doing observations/analysis since that's where I'm at my most passionate and nerding out about how much I enjoy chewing on certain narratives, defending why my viewpoints are I suppose "right" doesn't spark that same joy hahah.
