Let's move on here. Here is no direct topic, I just know too well how quickly one thought can jump to another and the topic then gets completely out of control Celesti and I have had very stimulating conversations so far, which may then escalate a little, but only a little. Of course, every other consort is also invited to let their thoughts run wild.
So sweethearts, let's chat away. Let's have some fun.
Celesti and I recently had a very light & funny conversation about the relationship between Ascended Astarion and Sceleritas Fel. Sceleritas Fel reacts very jealously of Astarion and what everyday life might be like.
Of course Sceleritas would want to kill Astarion, but he knows that by doing so he will unleash the Durge's wrath... but anything else... why not? Sceleritas will of course make Astarion's life as uncomfortable as possible and Astarion will not miss any situation to get rid of Sceleritas. Not without finding pleasure in it. For example, he will kick him off the cliff. "Sorry darling, who did I see? Sceleritas? Your servant? No, I didn't see him."
It could have happened something like this:
Our last idea was that Sceleritas could possibly be buried in the garden by Astarion.
"Darling, I planted you a new blood-red rose bush." "I love it, thank you my dear *kiss* ... but have you seen Sceleritas? I call for him but he just doesn't come." "Don't worry darling, he's probarly buried in his work. He's definitely nearby ... I'm really sure of it.
And of course the emergency when a fingernail breaks.
Last edited by Sini; 20/06/2403:32 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Ok, Celesti... just for you ... the next Part of the series "Astarion & his Consort at home"
You sit on a bench with Astarion at night, watching the stars, next to you the new rose bush. You made yourself comfortable on his lap and snuggled up to him. Astarion first casually looks at his nails, then naturally takes your hand and looks at your nails the same way he looked at his own.
"Darling, do you hear that too? It sounds like someone is digging in the ground nearby."
"It's definitely just a rat, my sweet."
Last edited by Sini; 20/06/2403:32 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
But ... but ... there are at least 4 or 5 Astarion threads already. Do you really need to open another one? There was a time , when mods merged threads, when they doubled and now they are quadrupled.
"We are all stories in the end. Just make it a good one."
There are actually only threads about the kisses and Patch 6. That would be off topic and would hijack them. What should we do if we want to talk about topics other than those in the topic? What should I do to make you feel better? All I can say is don't click on these topics. If it's supposed to be put together, then that's just how it is, even if it turns every topic into an all-round topic into which everything is posted.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
@fylimar, Sini opened this thread so that we won't be getting off topic on other threads. I saw that you were bothered by us talking too much about Ast in the other one. I agree threads should try to stay on topic but I see nothing wrong with Sini creating a new one here. Feel free to ignore it - I do the same with threads I don't care about.
And btw, the Funniest Things thread was only revived in the first place because Sini shared her funny videos.
Originally Posted by Sini
Ok, Celesti... just for you ... the next Part of the series "Astarion & his Consort at home"
You sit on a bench with Astarion at night, watching the stars, next to you the new rose bush. You made yourself comfortable on his lap and snuggled up to him. Astarion first casually looks at his nails, then naturally takes your hand and looks at your nails the same way he looked at his own.
"Darling, do you hear that too? It sounds like someone is digging in the ground nearby."
"It's definitely just a rat, my sweet."
I love this <3 I need to take a moment to think of a good one
It's right below this one and you all are discussing there ...
I leave it to the mods to decide, if this should be merged or not. This link is jus tto show you, that there is in fact a thread discussing Astarion in quite the detail. I participated there and I'm neither interested in AA nor those kiss animations.
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"We are all stories in the end. Just make it a good one."
It's right below this one and you all are discussing there ...
You already know that the thread has a completely different topic? I don't want to have fun there while others are talking about abuse. If offtopic doesn't bother you so much that you should write everything in one thread, then all you need is a thread called "Baldur's Gate 3" and everything can go in there.
Last edited by Sini; 20/06/2405:30 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
It's right below this one and you all are discussing there ...
You already know that the thread has a completely different topic? I don't want to have fun there while others are talking about abuse. If offtopic doesn't bother you so much that you should write everything in one thread, then all you need is a thread called "Baldur's Gate 3" and everything can go in there.
The last time, I wrote there, abuse wasn't the topic, that was in the other AA thread in Suggestion & Feedback. And on teh last page you three were talking about how to get a special scene in Grymforge - so, yes, I do read threads. I don't care anymore - knoc kyourself out, open another 10 threads about AA, do, what you want. I just made an observation, that is all.
Last edited by fylimar; 20/06/2405:42 PM.
"We are all stories in the end. Just make it a good one."
It's right below this one and you all are discussing there ...
You already know that the thread has a completely different topic? I don't want to have fun there while others are talking about abuse. If offtopic doesn't bother you so much that you should write everything in one thread, then all you need is a thread called "Baldur's Gate 3" and everything can go in there.
The last time, I wrote there, abuse wasn't the topic, that was in the other AA thread in Suggestion & Feedback. And on teh last page you three were talking about how to get a special scene in Grymforge - so, yes, I do read threads. I don't care anymore - knoc kyourself out, open another 10 threads about AA, do, what you want. I just made an observation, that is all.
If you had read it, then you would have known that Celesti and I were already offtopic there and we had left the thread and our conversation happened to continue in the Funny things thread. I would really appreciate it if you simply ignore threads that you find uninteresting. I hope we can just continue our fun conversation even if it doesn't suit your taste.
Have a nice day/night whatever.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Our last idea was that Sceleritas could possibly be buried in the garden by Astarion.
"Darling, I planted you a new blood-red rose bush." "I love it, thank you my dear *kiss* ... but have you seen Sceleritas? I call for him but he just doesn't come." "Don't worry darling, he's probarly buried in his work. He's definitely nearby ... I'm really sure of it.
And of course the emergency when a fingernail breaks.
Originally Posted by Sini
Ok, Celesti... just for you ... the next Part of the series "Astarion & his Consort at home"
You sit on a bench with Astarion at night, watching the stars, next to you the new rose bush. You made yourself comfortable on his lap and snuggled up to him. Astarion first casually looks at his nails, then naturally takes your hand and looks at your nails the same way he looked at his own.
"Darling, do you hear that too? It sounds like someone is digging in the ground nearby."
"It's definitely just a rat, my sweet."
Oh, this is just wonderful to read! Sini, Celesti, thanks for uplifting me! I'll have to check out the Funniest Things thread, I haven't even looked at it before. Because with all this stuff I'm starting to inadvertently forget that I once bought the game for the joy of it. Astarion looking at his nails is definitely his thing. He has very nice hands and graceful fingers. It'll be interesting to hear Sceleritas swear when he digs himself out, hehe!
I transformed Petras into Sceleritas... sorry Petras.
What did Sceleritas do to make Astarion so angry. Did he clean up Astarion's tent or his bed in the Elvensang tavern? ^^
When he asks "Will you come to my bed tonight?" A look into his tent should lead to a clear “NO”. Especially since he always complains about the ambience. At least a scented candle would significantly increase the ambience in his tent.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Not sure if this is off topic but I have to say Astarion is my favourite party member.
I’ve played the game multiple times and it wasn’t until I tried a play through without him that I realized just how much I like him.
In EA I couldn’t stand him (not a fan of vampires in any format and he seemed unpleasant) Upon release I included him often because a rogue is so damn useful. When I MC’d him with Gloomstalker Ranger he went again in my estimation because he is so damn lethal.
All that aside though what I have come to like best is his personality and story arc combined with the excellent VA.
I don’t romance Astarion as my character always goes for SH but Astarion always ends up as my best friend. My favourite character to play is Durge who rejects Bhall. Astarion and my character end up with a lot in common and his dialogue is always sympathetic and supportive in a convincing way in regards to resisting the urge.
Today I completed a game where for the first time I slept with Haarlep and “gave” her my body. I thought it was pretty cool that Astarion had dialogue the next day when I remotely experienced Harleep “using my form”.
It’s just a game of course but the writers and VA did a great job bringing him alive in a believable way.
Now if they could just change the dock scene to something more dignified. What didn’t bother me in the past now annoys me …that’s my bud getting burned…not funny.
What can I do for you, my friend. Nothing is wrong here and as his best friend you are nearly family.
I have also played through the game several times, always as Dark Urge and with Astarion as a romance, my personal story always varies. In my opinion, the Dark Urge who rejects Bhaal is the story highlight of the entire game, I love him. But rarely...sometimes...almost always :), at some point it escalates and suddenly I control the brain or have to commit suicide.
Astarion and the Dark Urge are very well written and their stories are intertwined. But Astarion is so deep and funny as a person, that he's just fun to play with and yes, he is such a powerfull Gloomstalker, it's my favorite choice for him. As Ascended 1d10 Necrotic Damage extra , it's a joy to watch him as he can kill almost anything on his own. I like it when he jumps halfway across the room, it's so vampire style. But well... he's also fantastic as a monk. I always give him the Dark Urge's cloak, it's almost unfair in the fight, but it suits him so well.
I tried another romance once, it doesn't work for 2 minutes and I'd better go to Astarion again. The game then feels empty to me. Shadowheart is my best friend, she can always survive with me if I kill my companions and betray them if I'm evil.
He offers so much space as a person that you can describe him and his peculiarities & quirks in a funny way and everyone who knows him will recognize it immediately.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
I transformed Petras into Sceleritas... sorry Petras.
What did Sceleritas do to make Astarion so angry. Did he clean up Astarion's tent or his bed in the Elvensang tavern? ^^
When he asks "Will you come to my bed tonight?" A look into his tent should lead to a clear “NO”. Especially since he always complains about the ambience. At least a scented candle would significantly increase the ambience in his tent.
Omg, this was a brilliant idea. The scene with Petras getting grabbed by Astarion is a perfect moment for him and Sceleritas. Idk why I didn't ever think of that!! :p Unfortunately for Ast, I think Sceleritas doesn't really mind being handled roughly like that, lol. Ast: "Darling, let's spend the night in the forest tonight... I found a hideous vermin in my tent..."
This is true love: AA putting up with all of this BS for his darling.
Originally Posted by Sini
I tried another romance once, it doesn't work for 2 minutes and I'd better go to Astarion again. smile The game then feels empty to me.
Same here. Lol... I really tried romancing Gale the first time, I made this big effort... but then Astarion unexpectedly stole the show for me, despite myself.^^; I was not expecting to end up loving his character so much. It took a while but he grew on me, and now he's absolutely my favorite. Even though I've done the romance already, it would feel sad and empty to romance a different person. Maybe because you do get so attached in a way. Plus, I ship him with my DUrge.^^ And I'll probably keep using her again in the next playthroughs.
-I was thinking Sceleritas would annoy AA by always reminding him of the only reason Bhaal is letting him live:
(for creating more heirs for Bhaal together with Dark Urge), and being pushy about it if it hasn't happened yet. Like a nagging mother-in-law who wants grandkids.
-Sceleritas scrubbing/waxing the floor conveniently there when he knows AA is about to wake up and walk out of the room, making Astarion fall prone. :p -Hiding or smearing AA's hand mirrors or pouring blood over his vanity so he can't admire himself. -Hanging up skeletons in random places where he knows it will jump-scare AA. xD -Spraying AA's clothes with a sulfur scented perfume. -Replacing AA's expensive wine with rat blood.
And Astarion always with this face when he's around:
P.S. Your Sceleritas photobomb idea (photobombing their portraits over the years) was the best. Still makes me laugh!! xD
Now if they could just change the dock scene to something more dignified. What didn’t bother me in the past now annoys me …that’s my bud getting burned…not funny.
They're going to change what the companions say when he starts burning so they're more sympathetic. Also the narrator will end the event on a more ...positive? note, saying he will "find comfort in the darkness". To me it's a band-aid fix and doesn't fix the real issue with the scene, that it's rushing through the event like nothing.
The new lines are almost OOC in how meta or therapist-speech-like they are. They feel so... awkward, staged. There needs to be a middle point. Gale has gone from being the worst offender (his original line was bonkers) to having IMO another bonkers line in the opposite direction. "Gale: Astarion! Cured of one affliction, only to be reclaimed by another. The sun is no longer a friend to him, but we must be - he'll need more solace than shadows can provide."
Minthara also goes on a whole schpiel, when she's always criticised him for not ascending:
"Nightwarden Minthara: Astarion is cursed to flee the sun as I am cursed to walk in it. Do not belittle him with pity - he is a survivor, and will thrive upon what bounty the darkness provides. There is life in him yet."
Gale's is a little over the top but he is the character most invested in the whole party, and wants it to stay together. So while the wording is a bit much, the sentiment fits. Minthara's is hilarious though, because she so unapologetically roasts you during the dock scene and the epilogue when you stay a spawn as Astarion's Origin.
Gale's is a little over the top but he is the character most invested in the whole party, and wants it to stay together. So while the wording is a bit much, the sentiment fits. Minthara's is hilarious though, because she so unapologetically roasts you during the dock scene and the epilogue when you stay a spawn as Astarion's Origin.
I have to say, now that I had accepted it as part of his characterisation, I found it incredibly funny that while Astarion cries if Gale dies, Gale didn't care about Astarion. Granted I still found his docks line incredibly, goofily out there (esp after Swen said they wanted us to get the impression that after the adventure the companions would go through fire for each other) but the idea Astarion's everyone's annoying acquaintance that they have to bring along was amusing. Minsc being the most supportive in the old lines and then epilogue Astarion not telling him when he changes "lairs" so he can't find him... how ungrateful! Hamster man is bringing you sunflowers! Jaheira's new line is very good, though. She says something like "rest now Astarion, but don't think that the city's done with you just yet". That's the kind of line I'd like seeing. Gives you a taste of future adventures.
-I was thinking Sceleritas would annoy AA by always reminding him of the only reason Bhaal is letting him live:
(for creating more heirs for Bhaal together with Dark Urge), and being pushy about it if it hasn't happened yet. Like a nagging mother-in-law who wants grandkids.
Oh yes ... "What did I say, Mistress. Bhaal won't be happy. I told you what a fine partner Gortash could be at your side. With him we would certainly have a whole horde of bloodthirsty Bhaalspawns. But no, you wanted this strange guy. Why did it have to be THAT guy... ugh. Give me the order and I'll IMMEDIATELY find at least 10 partners for you, all of whom are better than THAT."
If I were Astarion, I would be wary of the idea of ??turning into a tiny bat when Sceleritas is around. It also goes the other way around and you find Astarion sitting in a cage in the attic. ^^
"Oh, has your vile servant seen your unworthy husband? He probably ran away because he hasn't sired any spawns for Bhaal yet. Shall I find you a new whorty lover? Sceleritas will do that for you immediately, even before you make the wish have spoken at the end, my lovely master."
Originally Posted by Celesti4
And Astarion always with this face when he's around:
lol Darling ... imagine:
You sit at the table like a family and eat together, you as the Dark Urge have a large piece of roasted dwarf... just dwarf... vegetables... ugh. Astarion spoons a plate full of blood like a nobleman and Sceleritas has a large bowl full of bugs. You sit there with your happiest Dark Urge smile, no one says a word...
Astarion and Sceleritas both look like this, so you know for sure that they've been chasing each other through the palace for the last few hours.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
P.S. Your Sceleritas photobomb idea (photobombing their portraits over the years) was the best. Still makes me laugh!! xD
I particularly like the idea that, of course, Oskar Feveras painted their paintings... that gives a whole new definition of photobomb there. lol
I imagine Scerletias is standing there for hours in the same pose and of course no one notices him. This is really very funny...
We'll probably have to manipulate screenshots... I mean oil paintings.
Last edited by Sini; 21/06/2410:39 AM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
I’ve played the game multiple times and it wasn’t until I tried a play through without him that I realized just how much I like him.
In EA I couldn’t stand him (not a fan of vampires in any format and he seemed unpleasant) Upon release I included him often because a rogue is so damn useful. When I MC’d him with Gloomstalker Ranger he went again in my estimation because he is so damn lethal.
All that aside though what I have come to like best is his personality and story arc combined with the excellent VA.
I don’t romance Astarion as my character always goes for SH but Astarion always ends up as my best friend. My favourite character to play is Durge who rejects Bhall. Astarion and my character end up with a lot in common and his dialogue is always sympathetic and supportive in a convincing way in regards to resisting the urge.
I'm ofcourse bias, but he really is the best companion in the game. No matter if you want to conquer the world with him by your side, covering all in darkness or if you want to save the world, shedding light and hope, he is with you. And it's believable to do both scenarios. He really is a very satisfying character all around. I love snarky, cheeky characters in general. His dark humour always makes me laugh, maybe because you shouldn't.
@Sini How about this:
Tav is laying down for a rest after a long day slaying goblins. Sceleritas is grooming Tavs hair. "My teensy talons will take out even the smallest knot, master." Astarion is coming over looking displeased. "You really shoudn't let that ugly dirt-rat touch your hair, you might end up smelling just like him." Sceleritas looks up, annoyed but not surprised. "I smell wonderful I have you know, like a dozen roses covered in blood of a thousand stings." Astarion gives a crooked smile, painted with distain. "hah, more like an old boot worn by a dozen stinky old feet." They both look with daggers at eachother over Tavs relaxed form.
Tav is laying down for a rest after a long day slaying goblins. Sceleritas is grooming Tavs hair. "My teensy talons will take out even the smallest knot, master." Astarion is coming over looking displeased. "You really shoudn't let that ugly dirt-rat touch your hair, you might end up smelling just like him." Sceleritas looks up, annoyed but not surprised. "I smell wonderful I have you know, like a dozen roses covered in blood of a thousand stings." Astarion gives a crooked smile, painted with distain. "hah, more like an old boot worn by a dozen stinky old feet." They both look with daggers at eachother over Tavs relaxed form.
Lol, that's a wonderful idea. Astarion doesn't like the idea of ??Sceleritas touching you at all. As soon as Sceleritas has left the room, Astarion brushes your hair again and secretly sprays you with perfume.
That wonderful implication that he was buried under the rose bush... I love it. Thanks my dear.
Last edited by Sini; 21/06/2412:02 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Not sure if this is off topic but I have to say Astarion is my favourite party member.
I’ve played the game multiple times and it wasn’t until I tried a play through without him that I realized just how much I like him.
In EA I couldn’t stand him (not a fan of vampires in any format and he seemed unpleasant) Upon release I included him often because a rogue is so damn useful. When I MC’d him with Gloomstalker Ranger he went again in my estimation because he is so damn lethal.
All that aside though what I have come to like best is his personality and story arc combined with the excellent VA.
One of my friends, who admitted how he was "annoyed" by the vampire theme in his time (perhaps because of the constant use of this theme in cinema, literature, gothic-rock subculture, etc.), recognized Astarion as the most interesting and unusual male character in the game as a result (also without a romance, he had a romance with Minthara). Perhaps it's because, Stephen Rooney took such an approach to creating this character - Astarion is a lively and unique individual, with a heartbreaking storyline, terrific humor, and scintillating lines. Stephen talked in an interview about how he didn't want to show a "classic vampire" because no one would be interested.
Originally Posted by Ranxerox
Now if they could just change the dock scene to something more dignified. What didn’t bother me in the past now annoys me …that’s my bud getting burned…not funny.
Well, you can probably imagine approximately what a player, for whom Astarion is the most beloved and main character in the game, might think about it. I'm very grateful to the "Fixing Astarion's good ending" thread, I wasn't yet a forum member when I stumbled across it looking for information on what happens next and if there's a way out of all this. OP of that thread described this ending in detail, I watched the video, in fact this author saved me from going all the way to the end, saving me from having to experience everything.
But this scene doesn't change the essence of things, it just emphasizes the attitude of the world to the "evil character". If you compare it to other games where you can do a companion quest partially, i.e. not completely fail it, but do it poorly, and get a rather bad but not fatal result as a result, this is it. The result of a poorly executed companion quest, this is how it looks like.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Originally Posted by Sini
I tried another romance once, it doesn't work for 2 minutes and I'd better go to Astarion again. smile The game then feels empty to me.
Same here. Lol... I really tried romancing Gale the first time, I made this big effort... but then Astarion unexpectedly stole the show for me, despite myself.^^; I was not expecting to end up loving his character so much. It took a while but he grew on me, and now he's absolutely my favorite. Even though I've done the romance already, it would feel sad and empty to romance a different person. Maybe because you do get so attached in a way. Plus, I ship him with my DUrge.^^ And I'll probably keep using her again in the next playthroughs.
Yeah, that's right. A romance with another character, and Astarion will be around, you'll be able to see him, but... And he'll be unloved and lonely. I understand that it can be interesting to roleplay different characters and characters with different attachments. But I can't handle that kind of drama, I'd rather roleplay different characters in a romance with Astarion.:) I too didn't expect him to settle so deeply and thoroughly inside my heart when I first saw him. As you said so well, "Astarion unexpectedly stole the show for me". Same thing. And real unexpectedly - I myself didn't notice the moment I started to center my attention on him. During the bite, as he himself pointed out, when he asked me a date? Even earlier? I can't figure out the mystery of his attraction, it's some kind of magic.
Originally Posted by jinetemoranco
They're going to change what the companions say when he starts burning so they're more sympathetic. Also the narrator will end the event on a more ...positive? note, saying he will "find comfort in the darkness". To me it's a band-aid fix and doesn't fix the real issue with the scene, that it's rushing through the event like nothing.
"Find comfort in the darkness" is a positive note? Ok, I probably don't understand drama and tragedy, to me "positive note" = all is well, and "comfort in the darkness" is something along the lines of, ok, let it be in books and movies, with someone else, maybe it's dramatic, sad and heartfelt, but with my loved one - never. The good thing about AA's finale is that it's truly joyful and positive and there's no need to edit anything in it, even if you add some judgmental or scolding lines from the companions, it can't drop the positivity.
Originally Posted by jinetemoranco
I have to say, now that I had accepted it as part of his characterisation, I found it incredibly funny that while Astarion cries if Gale dies, Gale didn't care about Astarion. Granted I still found his docks line incredibly, goofily out there (esp after Swen said they wanted us to get the impression that after the adventure the companions would go through fire for each other) but the idea Astarion's everyone's annoying acquaintance that they have to bring along was amusing. Minsc being the most supportive in the old lines and then epilogue Astarion not telling him when he changes "lairs" so he can't find him... how ungrateful! Hamster man is bringing you sunflowers! Jaheira's new line is very good, though. She says something like "rest now Astarion, but don't think that the city's done with you just yet". That's the kind of line I'd like seeing. Gives you a taste of future adventures.
But it's great for creating the desire for an evil playthrough, without any emotional distress (as I used to have in games, when I tried to play as "evil" for the sake of interest, but couldn't handle it and failed the roleplay). Other companions also start to be seen as just casual acquaintances with whom I was brought together only by tadpoles, and this attitude works well with, for example, the evil DU roleplay. I'll be using this ending as a video to set up for some quality evil roleplay, which is fine too! It's pretty trivial to hang around within the confines of CG - CN alignment all the time, so I'm honestly grateful to this story, which I never got through (but I know it's there :)) for pushing the boundaries of perception and roleplay.
I think Jaheira sounds like a threat, and Minsc is either mocking or just a clinical idiot (the latter, he hardly has enough intelligence to mock), but that's subjective, I just don't like those two at all. If I were Astarion, I would change my "lair" too, of course - it's already hard enough for Astarion, and if Minsc finds him, with his sunflowers... Nothing special, of course, just kidding.
Originally Posted by Sini
Oh yes ... "What did I say, Mistress. Bhaal won't be happy. I told you what a fine partner Gortash could be at your side. With him we would certainly have a whole horde of bloodthirsty Bhaalspawns. But no, you wanted this strange guy. Why did it have to be THAT guy... ugh. Give me the order and I'll IMMEDIATELY find at least 10 partners for you, all of whom are better than THAT."
If I were Astarion, I would be wary of the idea of ??turning into a tiny bat when Sceleritas is around. It also goes the other way around and you find Astarion sitting in a cage in the attic. ^^
"Oh, has your vile servant seen your unworthy husband? He probably ran away because he hasn't sired any spawns for Bhaal yet. Shall I find you a new whorty lover? Sceleritas will do that for you immediately, even before you make the wish have spoken at the end, my lovely master."
Ah, why is it that when Astarion annoys Sceleritas, I laugh, and when Sceleritas annoys Astarion, it makes me want to nail him, LOL. That's just so damn unfair!
Originally Posted by Sini
lol Darling ... imagine:
You sit at the table like a family and eat together, you as the Dark Urge have a large piece of roasted dwarf... just dwarf... vegetables... ugh. Astarion spoons a plate full of blood like a nobleman and Sceleritas has a large bowl full of bugs. You sit there with your happiest Dark Urge smile, no one says a word...
Astarion and Sceleritas both look like this, so you know for sure that they've been chasing each other through the palace for the last few hours.
Hehe, that's cute! A plate full of blood like soup?
Ah, why is it that when Astarion annoys Sceleritas, I laugh, and when Sceleritas annoys Astarion, it makes me want to nail him, LOL. That's just so damn unfair!
Don't worry so much about Astarion. He's very smart and I think he would really enjoys Sceleritas. He knows he can't kill Sceleritas and Sceleritas can't kill Astarion, everything they do to each other is only short-lived and as soon as they get back they think about how best to take revenge. I am firmly convinced that they would protect each other in an emergency. (No, not a nail emergency )
In the depths of his heart, Sceleritas certainly loves Astarion too, but would never tell him or show it. He probably secretly cleans his hairbrush and when he thinks Astarion is fast asleep, he does his nails (lol). And when you sleep, Sceleritas covers you both.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Hehe, that's cute! A plate full of blood like soup?
Yes, a plate full of blood that he eats like soup.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Don't worry so much about Astarion. He's very smart and I think he would really enjoys Sceleritas. He knows he can't kill Sceleritas and Sceleritas can't kill Astarion, everything they do to each other is only short-lived and as soon as they get back they think about how best to take revenge. I am firmly convinced that they would protect each other in an emergency. (No, not a nail emergency )
In the depths of his heart, Sceleritas certainly loves Astarion too, but would never tell him or show it. He probably secretly cleans his hairbrush and when he thinks Astarion is fast asleep, he does his nails (lol). And when you sleep, Sceleritas covers you both.
Oh, such a fun family story this is turning out to be! <3
Yes, Astarion is a very intelligent Vampire Lord, with excellent assassin skills, subduing wolves and bats, skilled in necromancy and summoning ghouls, a master of stealth, and it's not worth worrying about him so much anymore...
"- Okay, the 'gentle protective bonds' are there, elixir drunk, gear in order, spare potions, scrolls put in your bag...
- Ascended Vampire is on your side, you don't be afraid!
- Yes, my love, I'm not afraid, only... Did you remember to eat breakfast today?"
It's time for me to stop this...
Originally Posted by Sini
Hold on sweethearts...
Who stands next to the Durge? A round of applause for Lae'zel in her believable performance as Sceleritas Fel
Haha, wow, I didn't know you could fling live characters!
I have to say, now that I had accepted it as part of his characterisation, I found it incredibly funny that while Astarion cries if Gale dies, Gale didn't care about Astarion. Granted I still found his docks line incredibly, goofily out there (esp after Swen said they wanted us to get the impression that after the adventure the companions would go through fire for each other) but the idea Astarion's everyone's annoying acquaintance that they have to bring along was amusing. Minsc being the most supportive in the old lines and then epilogue Astarion not telling him when he changes "lairs" so he can't find him... how ungrateful! Hamster man is bringing you sunflowers! Jaheira's new line is very good, though. She says something like "rest now Astarion, but don't think that the city's done with you just yet". That's the kind of line I'd like seeing. Gives you a taste of future adventures.
I have grown quite fond of the lines Origin-Astarion gets to hear at the dock. They have a nice mix of being caring without being too affectionate (with the exception of Minthy, who is brutal). Gale's "Now, without wishing to cause undue alarm, might I suggest we find some shade? I think the sun is reneging on that truth of yours." is my fav, because it's the only one that suggests the group should find some shelter together, the most seamless continuation of the preceding conversation about celebrating. It's also not overly sweet and keeps that friendly ribbing tone that most their banter has when Astarion is PC - and which admittedly might be one of my favourite things about the game. Good natured teasing and making fun with instead of poking fun at someone is such a rare type of comedy, that I value it when it comes up.
"What did I say, Mistress. Bhaal won't be happy. I told you what a fine partner Gortash could be at your side. With him we would certainly have a whole horde of bloodthirsty Bhaalspawns. But no, you wanted this strange guy. Why did it have to be THAT guy... ugh. Give me the order and I'll IMMEDIATELY find at least 10 partners for you, all of whom are better than THAT."
If I were Astarion, I would be wary of the idea of turning into a tiny bat when Sceleritas is around. It also goes the other way around and you find Astarion sitting in a cage in the attic. ^^
That Gortash... I always knew he was thirsting after my Durge... xD Mine would just roll her eyes and have a look of disgust on her face whenever Sceleritas tries to mention other partners for her. I'm sure his idea of a fitting partner would be something out of a nightmare too, lol. Yes, I think Sceleritas would nag exactly like that for years, but nothing ever changes. :p Just never-ending Sceleritas-in-law nagging, while Astarion and Durge ignore it. He'll have to be very patient - maybe in a few centuries or so, they'll finally have a little heir. <3 Lmao noooo, not our little bat! I can imagine the glowering rage in that cute little face while stuck in the cage! And the vengeance that would bring once he's freed.^^; I think Durge and AA would double-team Sceleritas for daring to do that.
Originally Posted by Sini
You sit at the table like a family and eat together, you as the Dark Urge have a large piece of roasted dwarf... just dwarf... vegetables... ugh. Astarion spoons a plate full of blood like a nobleman and Sceleritas has a large bowl full of bugs. You sit there with your happiest Dark Urge smile, no one says a word... Astarion and Sceleritas both look like this, so you know for sure that they've been chasing each other through the palace for the last few hours.
Lol! And secretly, Dark Urge is thoroughly enjoying every moment of this.
Originally Posted by Sini
I particularly like the idea that, of course, Oskar Feveras painted their paintings... that gives a whole new definition of photobomb there. lol I imagine Scerletias is standing there for hours in the same pose and of course no one notices him. This is really very funny...
This will be the most labor-intensive and dedicated photobomb ever In Sceleritas' mind, he is only doing his royal duty, after all.
Originally Posted by KiraMira
Tav is laying down for a rest after a long day slaying goblins. Sceleritas is grooming Tavs hair. "My teensy talons will take out even the smallest knot, master." Astarion is coming over looking displeased. "You really shoudn't let that ugly dirt-rat touch your hair, you might end up smelling just like him." Sceleritas looks up, annoyed but not surprised. "I smell wonderful I have you know, like a dozen roses covered in blood of a thousand stings." Astarion gives a crooked smile, painted with distain. "hah, more like an old boot worn by a dozen stinky old feet." They both look with daggers at eachother over Tavs relaxed form.
I love this. It sounds like Dark Urge really is living the very best life, and loving every minute of their bickering.^^ You are all so talented and creative with these stories!
Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Ast: "Darling, let's spend the night in the forest tonight... I found a hideous vermin in my tent..."
Recently in the forest...
LMAO. This is just perfect! Thank you so much for this <333 After a while, people will start to notice many pairs of underwear like that scattered all around. It will turn into a local legend.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Yeah, that's right. A romance with another character, and Astarion will be around, you'll be able to see him, but... And he'll be unloved and lonely. I understand that it can be interesting to roleplay different characters and characters with different attachments. But I can't handle that kind of drama, I'd rather roleplay different characters in a romance with Astarion.:) I too didn't expect him to settle so deeply and thoroughly inside my heart when I first saw him. As you said so well, "Astarion unexpectedly stole the show for me". Same thing. And real unexpectedly - I myself didn't notice the moment I started to center my attention on him. During the bite, as he himself pointed out, when he asked me a date? Even earlier? I can't figure out the mystery of his attraction, it's some kind of magic.
Absolutely like magic. He's just too good at what he does; it even has the same effect on us as the player. I had that same thought at one point, like, when did this become so real for me? Lol. Just like my character, in the beginning I thought I was just having a little fun with him, because he seems so silly at times and he has some of the funniest lines and reactions. But it becomes much deeper than that. Your heart really gets invested. I have to agree that this speaks to the talent of Stephen Rooney as well. <3 And the fact that he's so versatile as a character; the one who will want to stand by your side no matter what path you decide to take. You're right, if I don't choose him as the romance, I would feel like he's going to be lonely and it's just very sad that I'm taking away the love that he should have with my character. That's why it feels empty, because you know the great potential that's there and have already experienced it. It feels wrong to ignore it. But that's how I would feel.
Originally Posted by Sini
I am firmly convinced that they would protect each other in an emergency. (No, not a nail emergency grin) In the depths of his heart, Sceleritas certainly loves Astarion too, but would never tell him or show it. He probably secretly cleans his hairbrush and when he thinks Astarion is fast asleep, he does his nails (lol). And when you sleep, Sceleritas covers you both.
Omg, this is such a sweet thought. And Sceleritas covering Ast in a blanket, hehe. I think you're right. After all, they both have one very important thing in common: If they both love Dark Urge, then I think they are family. <3 And deep down, they respect each other for protecting the one person who is most precious to them both.
Originally Posted by Sini
Hold on sweethearts... Who stands next to the Durge? A round of applause for Lae'zel in her believable performance as Sceleritas Fel
He cheated then to almost push Astarion out of the picture.
This is hilarious!! You literally brought their dynamic to life here! Darling, you are too good!
Originally Posted by Marielle
"- Okay, the 'gentle protective bonds' are there, elixir drunk, gear in order, spare potions, scrolls put in your bag... - Ascended Vampire is on your side, you don't be afraid! - Yes, my love, I'm not afraid, only... Did you remember to eat breakfast today?"
This is too cute. I can see them fussing over each other exactly like that. <3
Yes, I think Sceleritas would nag exactly like that for years, but nothing ever changes. :p Just never-ending Sceleritas-in-law nagging, while Astarion and Durge ignore it. He'll have to be very patient - maybe in a few centuries or so, they'll finally have a little heir. <3
I imagine a charming little elf with soft curls and small fangs (a copy of Astarion), wearing a silk white shirt with a jabot and a fine, fashionable camisole that fits him like a young nobleman should. He sits at a mahogany desk, his pretty face holding an expression of extreme concentration, his eyebrows drawn together, his eyes squinted, and it is evident that he is trying hard. He holds a golden quill in his fingers and, in elegant calligraphy, writes the obscene words to the spells on the pages of his father's Necromancy of Thay, accompanied by appropriate illustrations.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
LMAO. This is just perfect! Thank you so much for this <333 After a while, people will start to notice many pairs of underwear like that scattered all around. It will turn into a local legend.
Ha ha! I love the writing on Astarion's underwear. But now it looks like I'm going to have to get him a new one - the exact same one, so he won't immediately notice that it now says on his underwear that he's married, listing the most notable murders his wife has committed.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Absolutely like magic. He's just too good at what he does; it even has the same effect on us as the player. I had that same thought at one point, like, when did this become so real for me? Lol. Just like my character, in the beginning I thought I was just having a little fun with him, because he seems so silly at times and he has some of the funniest lines and reactions. But it becomes much deeper than that. Your heart really gets invested. I have to agree that this speaks to the talent of Stephen Rooney as well. <3 And the fact that he's so versatile as a character; the one who will want to stand by your side no matter what path you decide to take. You're right, if I don't choose him as the romance, I would feel like he's going to be lonely and it's just very sad that I'm taking away the love that he should have with my character. That's why it feels empty, because you know the great potential that's there and have already experienced it. It feels wrong to ignore it. But that's how I would feel.
I joked with him at first (not in the game, but in my own words, I like to chat with my companions as I play), calling him Mr. Disapproval while Tav didn't know he was a vampire yet. His asking me out on a date was so sudden, it just took me by surprise. The first night with Astarion and that morning when he meets the dawn I will probably never forget, it's an amazing play experience. Right the next day he offered me to kiss a goblin's foot (it turned out the other way around, which amused us both, but the offer itself!), set me up for the Loviatar priest challenge, and when I approached him at camp wanting to talk about it, he said he missed me. The most original beginning of love imaginable. And the first, really genuine smile on his face when I opened his mind during the confession in the second act. And then he looks at you in a completely different way, he even opens his eyes, whereas before he was always squinting slightly. And his playful, gentle lines in Act 2 (the only thing I missed a bit in Act 3 - I wanted to hear about "I'm listening to you with all my pointy ears" one more time). I guess after Act 2, it's just that "My favoritest character is Astarion" turned into "I'm obsessed by Astarion", hehe. And when in Act 3 he thanks you so deeply and sincerely, calls you consort, and speaks very seriously about eternal love - it's like the final transition to the deepest level of the relationship, a true couple, a whole. And you can be any - you can play an evil character and you will have fun together with Astarion, or you can do evil deeds only where it concerns his well-being, the Ascended Lord does not at all prevent you from joyfully running through the streets of the city and solving all local problems, and occasionally even approves. He wants to take control of the brain, but if you do not do it - not a single reproach will not be, Astarion will be happy to get rid of the tadpole and, finally, absolute freedom. You can conquer the city to your will, or you can go traveling, have fun at balls and enjoy life. Astarion is very versatile, and that feeling of being together, it runs through the whole game. For me it's a game about two people, about our couple, our acquaintance and our adventures.
Originally Posted by Sini
Sceleritas has heard that Astarion has a "hideous vermin" in his tent. He then volunteered to clean up there...
Not an old master but quickly faked in Photoshop. ; ) I've to try to get the models in Blender. I have no idea what I'm doing, but that doesn't stop me.
And yes, if the sofa looks familiar, we went to Sharess' Caress just to have tea!
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
I imagine a charming little elf with soft curls and small fangs (a copy of Astarion), wearing a silk white shirt with a jabot and a fine, fashionable camisole that fits him like a young nobleman should. He sits at a mahogany desk, his pretty face holding an expression of extreme concentration, his eyebrows drawn together, his eyes squinted, and it is evident that he is trying hard. He holds a golden quill in his fingers and, in elegant calligraphy, writes the obscene words to the spells on the pages of his father's Necromancy of Thay, accompanied by appropriate illustrations.
This is really extremely cute.
Think about what kind of child that would be, endowed with the power of Bhaal and Ascended Astarion, the world should shudder at the thought.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Think about what kind of child that would be, endowed with the power of Bhaal and Ascended Astarion, the world should shudder at the thought.
Yeah, if he's born with all those powers - he'll be the most dangerous little adorable on Faerûn. <3 Sceleritas will definitely want to play with him and participate as much as possible in his 'upbringing'. Astarion will be faced with a cutie with the same temperament as him, only still spoiled beyond belief by his mommy, the Lord's power is threatened.
Yeah, if he's born with all those powers - he'll be the most dangerous little adorable on Faerûn. <3 Sceleritas will definitely want to play with him and participate as much as possible in his 'upbringing'. Astarion will be faced with a cutie with the same temperament as him, only still spoiled beyond belief by his mommy, the Lord's power is threatened.
What kind of gifts Grandpa Bhaal gives the little one. They also redefine family celebrations.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
That Gortash... I always knew he was thirsting after my Durge... xD Mine would just roll her eyes and have a look of disgust on her face whenever Sceleritas tries to mention other partners for her. I'm sure his idea of a fitting partner would be something out of a nightmare too, lol. Yes, I think Sceleritas would nag exactly like that for years, but nothing ever changes. :p Just never-ending Sceleritas-in-law nagging, while Astarion and Durge ignore it. He'll have to be very patient - maybe in a few centuries or so, they'll finally have a little heir. <3 Lmao noooo, not our little bat! I can imagine the glowering rage in that cute little face while stuck in the cage! And the vengeance that would bring once he's freed.^^; I think Durge and AA would double-team Sceleritas for daring to do that.
Yes, I bet Gortash has already made his own plans.
In my personal story that my character has,
when the Dark Urge & Gortash broke into Mephistopheles' treasury to get the Crown of Karsus,
he also stole a small silvery-violet shimmering vial with the inscription "Drow". Since it was in the treasury, it had to be very special. The Dark Urge has always liked the Drow people and what better way to complete their plan would be to choose another form and life. Unfortunately, the transformation didn't work completely, so she has remnants of shimmering white scales on her skin (I've change my skintextur]. And then there was also the little accident ...
Gortash immediately started thinking about YOUR future together, not only as Best Buddies. This makes the conversation between my Dark Urge and Gortash very interesting for me.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
This is hilarious!! You literally brought their dynamic to life here! Darling, you are too good!
Thank you I'm actually working on Eden's Sin Collection, her own Clothes. She says if Astarion looks this good in his gear, then she must look this good too.I can do all my own texture maps, but I've problems with all this "bring it to the game" Some of the guides are probably out of date, so I don't know where the error is at the moment and I have to test everything completely *sigh*. I hope I can manage it. Eden has already written down her wishlist for me... in blood.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
What kind of gifts Grandpa Bhaal gives the little one. They also redefine family celebrations.
Yes, Astarion Jr. would probably be best friends with Sceleritas, and Sceleritas would have to have an occasional game of hide and seek to lock himself in some coffin in the dungeon, and get a bit of a break from the noisy heir. Astarion-Lord now felt what a real family was, and perhaps even remembered something from his childhood, realizing the fact that the sugar little ears on the white little elf's head weren't made for him to use them to listen to daddy and mommy. Astarion and Dark Urge will have a lot of interesting and important things to do - to find out who let the ghouls loose on the guests during the reception, to play detective, looking for hidden and scattered all over the castle kompromat on the important people of the city (it's a very serious game that can't be delayed - the kompromat has been laboriously collected over the years), to come running to the cries of someone who opened the trophy chest, tried to juggle Orin's daggers, broke a fingernail and almost cut a finger. The fingernail regenerated in two minutes, but crying is too serious a matter to just stop without a decent ending to the performance. Well, and of course, the little guy always tries to blame everything on Sceleritas, who, after all, dreamed so much about an heir?
Originally Posted by Sini
Thank you I'm actually working on Eden's Sin Collection, her own Clothes. She says if Astarion looks this good in his gear, then she must look this good too.I can do all my own texture maps, but I've problems with all this "bring it to the game" Some of the guides are probably out of date, so I don't know where the error is at the moment and I have to test everything completely *sigh*. I hope I can manage it. Eden has already written down her wishlist for me... in blood.
Yes, Astarion Jr. would probably be best friends with Sceleritas, and Sceleritas would have to have an occasional game of hide and seek to lock himself in some coffin in the dungeon, and get a bit of a break from the noisy heir. Astarion-Lord now felt what a real family was, and perhaps even remembered something from his childhood, realizing the fact that the sugar little ears on the white little elf's head weren't made for him to use them to listen to daddy and mommy. Astarion and Dark Urge will have a lot of interesting and important things to do - to find out who let the ghouls loose on the guests during the reception, to play detective, looking for hidden and scattered all over the castle kompromat on the important people of the city (it's a very serious game that can't be delayed - the kompromat has been laboriously collected over the years), to come running to the cries of someone who opened the trophy chest, tried to juggle Orin's daggers, broke a fingernail and almost cut a finger. The fingernail regenerated in two minutes, but crying is too serious a matter to just stop without a decent ending to the performance. Well, and of course, the little guy always tries to blame everything on Sceleritas, who, after all, dreamed so much about an heir?
This is so heartwarming cute And Astarion then teaches the even tinier bat how to fly. Blaming others for everything is definitely something he gets from Astarion. For example,
if you don't know he's a vampire and he kills the monsterhunter, so you don't find out he's a vampire. If you ask him "Why you do this?", he'll say something like "Promise to look after me, so I don't have to poke around with a dagger."
So it's your fault.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Eden's Sin Collection? Do you do mods?
I'm trying because for patch 7 Eden wants to look scandalously good. As I said, I'm still having problems getting things into the game and since some of the guides are out of date, I don't know exactly where my mistake is. Did I do something wrong when importing/exporting the 3D model or during the programming part? I have to check everything very carefully. I'm currently looking for a simpler model to look for possible sources of error. I'm currently digging through 8 folders of textures to find the right maps. ... I just saw there are more than 8
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Sceleritas has heard that Astarion has a "hideous vermin" in his tent. smile He then volunteered to clean up there...
"A hideous vermin, you say? ..Where?" (I think he's just hungry and wants it for himself.)
Originally Posted by Marielle
I imagine a charming little elf with soft curls and small fangs (a copy of Astarion), wearing a silk white shirt with a jabot and a fine, fashionable camisole that fits him like a young nobleman should. He sits at a mahogany desk, his pretty face holding an expression of extreme concentration, his eyebrows drawn together, his eyes squinted, and it is evident that he is trying hard. He holds a golden quill in his fingers and, in elegant calligraphy, writes the obscene words to the spells on the pages of his father's Necromancy of Thay, accompanied by appropriate illustrations.
This is such a cute scene to imagine! At first glance it looks like a normal young noble child, but look a little more closely, and you can see he's anything but ordinary. It's funny, I imagine him looking a lot like Astarion too. Maybe with a few unique traits here and there added, depending on what a player's Tav/Durge looks like.
Originally Posted by Marielle
I love the writing on Astarion's underwear. But now it looks like I'm going to have to get him a new one - the exact same one, so he won't immediately notice that it now says on his underwear that he's married, listing the most notable murders his wife has committed.
That's a genius idea. Astarion wonders what you're doing all day. You're always very busy... (secretly embroidering new pairs of underwear for him) :p
Originally Posted by Marielle
I joked with him at first (not in the game, but in my own words, I like to chat with my companions as I play), calling him Mr. Disapproval while Tav didn't know he was a vampire yet.
Yes, at some point while I was still in Act 1, I was going to buy some stickers that say "Astarion disapproves" on them, lol. I agree with all of your points about him. I love that you can choose to take control of the brain, or reject it, and he's just as happy if you don't do it. He never mentions it again and he looks so excited and optimistic to go traveling the world with you. I love how I can make all the goody-2-shoes decisions and get the Epilogue ending, AND also have Vampire Lord Astarion there as my partner. Some of the companions at the party even ask about whether I will have kids with my partner. So it's not just him turning into an irredeemable villain. I think maybe he was a little drunk on power at first right after the ritual, but in my mind, I think he really just wants to be safe (and keep his Consort safe too), drink his fine wine, throw some parties, get into some political gossip, and live life in luxury. He's very excited about living again and feeling so ALIVE. And now he has an eternity with his beloved, and a lifetime together to overcome/heal/work through the pain that he experienced in the past.
Edit: This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from him, right after Astarion's siblings invade your camp. One of the things he says to you is, "I'm doing this for you too, you know. So that we can both be safe. Forever."
Originally Posted by Sini
Gortash immediately started thinking about YOUR future together, not only as Best Buddies. This makes the conversation between my Dark Urge and Gortash very interesting for me.
Ahh, was your Dark Urge a dragonborn first? That is an awesome backstory! Very unique too! Yeah, the way that Gortash talks to Durge is interesting to say the least! You can ask the Emperor if he's telling the truth about wanting to rule together with you, and as it turns out, he's not lying about that. Edit correction.. I believe it was with Detect Thoughts that I found that out. Not by asking the Emperor.
Originally Posted by Sini
I'm actually working on Eden's Sin Collection, her own Clothes. She says if Astarion looks this good in his gear, then she must look this good too.I can do all my own texture maps, but I've problems with all this "bring it to the game" Some of the guides are probably out of date, so I don't know where the error is at the moment and I have to test everything completely *sigh*. I hope I can manage it. Eden has already written down her wishlist for me... in blood.
:0 I'm excited to see! I believe you will figure it out! It would be so nice to have everything be original and one-of-a-kind for my character. I hope Eden will get to have her special dress for the ball, in case we get that wonderful new evil ending. *crosses fingers*
Oh my goodness... seeing the little Astarion-bat next to the even tinier child-bat!! <3 I think having a child would be deeply touching for Astarion, in a much sweeter way than he would ever expect. I can just imagine how much Sceleritas will love and adore Dark Urge's heir. He had to wait a very long time for them after all. This child is going to be very spoiled and deeply loved. And how lucky that he gets to have a magical butler to grow up with. Sceleritas: "I'm simply one hell of a butler-in-law"
"A hideous vermin, you say? ..Where?" (I think he's just hungry and wants it for himself.)
Yes ... yummy yummy . Otherwise he would say "Clean your tent alone, white curls."
Originally Posted by Celesti4
This is such a cute scene to imagine! At first glance it looks like a normal young noble child, but look a little more closely, and you can see he's anything but ordinary. It's funny, I imagine him looking a lot like Astarion too. Maybe with a few unique traits here and there added, depending on what a player's Tav/Durge looks like.
With me he would have Mommy's bright blue eyes.
Originally Posted by Marielle
I love the writing on Astarion's underwear. But now it looks like I'm going to have to get him a new one - the exact same one, so he won't immediately notice that it now says on his underwear that he's married, listing the most notable murders his wife has committed.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
That's a genius idea. Astarion wonders what you're doing all day. You're always very busy... (secretly embroidering new pairs of underwear for him) :p
When someone reads in his underwear that he is already married, the enemy is already far too close. ^^ But why would Astarion want to do that? He wasn't allowed to drink blood for 200 years and you let him drink while you have s*x, the poor man must completely lose his mind. ^^ For him, everything else is completely boring, and besides, he has the love of his life who he completely adores. I would trust him completely, he should decide for himself what he wants to wear. But if he wants, we can of course go shopping underwear.
Edit: It would be much funnier if Astarion himself embroidered it into his underwear "If you read this, I'll be dead or defenseless and I promise you my wife will hurt you very much, if I can't do it anymore."
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Ahh, was your Dark Urge a dragonborn first? That is an awesome backstory! Very unique too! Yeah, the way that Gortash talks to Durge is interesting to say the least! You can ask the Emperor if he's telling the truth about wanting to rule together with you, and as it turns out, he's not lying about that.
Yes, in my story, die white Dragonborn Dark Urge is part of my Drow Dark Urge. I find it illogical to be able to be any race, so I like a touch of devilish magic better. So my Dark Urge also has done a transformation, but he stole it from Mephistopheles... let him keep his contract for himself. I'm sure there were more tiny vials with permanent transfiguration spells for other races.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
:0 I'm excited to see! I believe you will figure it out! It would be so nice to have everything be original and one-of-a-kind for my character. I hope Eden will get to have her special dress for the ball, in case we get that wonderful new evil ending. *crosses fingers*
Thank you Darling, I will do my best.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Oh my goodness... seeing the little Astarion-bat next to the even tinier child-bat!! <3 I think having a child would be deeply touching for Astarion, in a much sweeter way than he would ever expect. I can just imagine how much Sceleritas will love and adore Dark Urge's heir. He had to wait a very long time for them after all. This child is going to be very spoiled and deeply loved. And how lucky that he gets to have a magical butler to grow up with. Sceleritas: "I'm simply one hell of a butler-in-law"
And when Daddy leaves the room after flying lessons, Mommy goes to the little one and says, "Always do what Daddy teaches you. If you can do all that, then Mommy will show you how to control this big boy." Then you transform into the Slayer and the little one squeals with joy and you gently stroke his cheek with one claw.
*Sceleritas stands hidden behind a curtain and is completely proud.* He secretly loves Astarion too, but that doesn't stop him from sending the little one to play pranks on his father.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Not an old master but quickly faked in Photoshop. ; ) I've to try to get the models in Blender. I have no idea what I'm doing, but that doesn't stop me.
And yes, if the sofa looks familiar, we went to Sharess' Caress just to have tea!
As a fellow drow player I love this. Astarion just looks so good paired together with a drow character! Not only looks-wise but I really like how they both understand what it's like to live in the shadows, having to watch your back all the time and trusting no one. AA and drow consort are a truly formidable pair! I also love him with Minthara and their epilogue introduction is awesome - constantly scheming together and making everyone indebted to them.
Recently, I've run into this short showcasing a line I haven't heard yet, which is rogue exclusive. Astarion really adores villains:
I love being a Drow and yes, Astarion looks great next to a Drow from my perspective too. They both know what it's like not to be able to standing in the sun and as you say, life in the shadows is cruel... and so are drow. At first I always had a bit of trouble connecting Lolth-sworn with my Dark Urge and Bhaal, but I understand Lolth more as my cultural background.
I always love it when I arrive in the Underdark and Astarion tries a pun, which we know he doesn't like. He shouldn't try either.
Not that I've ever tried to steal from children.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
When someone reads in his underwear that he is already married, the enemy is already far too close. ^^ But why would Astarion want to do that? He wasn't allowed to drink blood for 200 years and you let him drink while you have s*x, the poor man must completely lose his mind. ^^ For him, everything else is completely boring, and besides, he has the love of his life who he completely adores. I would trust him completely, he should decide for himself what he wants to wear. But if he wants, we can of course go shopping underwear. Edit: It would be much funnier if Astarion himself embroidered it into his underwear "If you read this, I'll be dead or defenseless and I promise you my wife will hurt you very much, if I can't do it anymore."
I love this idea so much.^^ It would still have very similar stitching to what was embroidered in his original underwear, with just a little bit extra, since he's no longer single. Or how about this one: "If you can read this, and you're not my wife, I almost feel sorry for what's about to happen to you." And I completely agree - I can't see Astarion ever wanting to stray or betray his love! I feel like he would want only one intimate partner (if any), mainly due to what he went through in the past. He would have kind of like an obsessive type of love for his partner. I always got the impression that AA really only needs one person in his life, and that's what he likes. In fact, I don't think he ever wants to let her go again. You're right, he must have went totally wild, combining the taste of your blood (which he goes crazy for) and the intimacy with the only person he's ever really loved / fell in love with.
Originally Posted by Sini
And when Daddy leaves the room after flying lessons, Mommy goes to the little one and says, "Always do what Daddy teaches you. If you can do all that, then Mommy will show you how to control this big boy." Then you transform into the Slayer and the little one squeals with joy and you gently stroke his cheek with one claw. *Sceleritas stands hidden behind a curtain and is completely proud.* He secretly loves Astarion too, but that doesn't stop him from sending the little one to play pranks on his father.
Oh my goodness, this child is going to grow up to be absolutely terrifying. Astarion + Dark Urge are already a deadly combination, but their child...? I think they'll inherit the best and most powerful parts of both of them, plus they get to perfect those skills from a young age. And they'll become just as handsome/beautiful and charming... Which makes them all the more dangerous. Awww, the proud and adoring Grandpa Sceleritas (and how much he loves them all) is going to bring a tear to my eye. :') Cutest little evil family ever. <3
Omg ROFL! Your ascended Astarion and your Urge looking so regal and dignified... and then Sceleritas just there like a damn jumpscare once you notice him. His face looks so freaking big behind Astarion's too!
Made me think of this insidious jumpscare:
I love the portraits you made! <33 I'm cracking up thinking about how they'll have to hang these up on the palace walls, even though he's photobombing in all of them... and Astarion's annoyed face, knowing he has to accept it...
Oh my goodness, this child is going to grow up to be absolutely terrifying. Astarion + Dark Urge are already a deadly combination, but their child...? I think they'll inherit the best and most powerful parts of both of them, plus they get to perfect those skills from a young age. And they'll become just as handsome/beautiful and charming... Which makes them all the more dangerous. Awww, the proud and adoring Grandpa Sceleritas (and how much he loves them all) is going to bring a tear to my eye. :') Cutest little evil family ever. <3
If their children are as hungry for power as their parents, AA and the Dark Urge should be vigilant later. If the Dark Urge is
also the Absolute
, I could certainly imagine that one of the children would feel called upon to take over this power. Equipped with the powers of both, their children are likely to be perfect Predators, can transform into multiple forms, and can quickly regenerate wounds. Probably immortalized by their father. Bhaal will love the new generation of spawns.
"What is the name of your Daddy? ... YES, Ass ...tarion ... say aggain ... Ass...tarion ... You are such a clever sweet little Master. Tiny Sceleritas loves you so much. If you see your Daddy next time, tell him what you've learned." "Sceleritas looks devilishly happy.* "Next time I'll teach you the word "Gortash".
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Made me think of this insidious jumpscare
This is a role that Sceleritas would add to his resume.
Sceleritas will dust off the pictures every day and check that none have disappeared. He found some in the sewers under the palace. He immediately hung it back up in the right place.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
This is so heartwarming cute And Astarion then teaches the even tinier bat how to fly. Blaming others for everything is definitely something he gets from Astarion. For example,
if you don't know he's a vampire and he kills the monsterhunter, so you don't find out he's a vampire. If you ask him "Why you do this?", he'll say something like "Promise to look after me, so I don't have to poke around with a dagger."
So it's your fault.
Yes, absolutely. I swear to watch over him and guard him like the apple of my eye (too bad you can't answer like that :)). Though to see how nicely he handles his daggers, hmmm... It would be great if you could contact Astarion mentally, through the tadpole (if you already know he's a vampire), and suggest that he dispose of Gandrel neatly and quickly, so that you could watch his assassin art and he wouldn't be nervous or tense knowing you were on his side.
An even tinier bat, the dosage of cuteness is off the charts! <3 When he gets tired of flying, he can land quietly on his mom's head and nestle in her hair. Astarion will say, "You are so beautiful! That new hairstyle is just the height of fashion!" The Dark Urge will look in the mirror with surprise and see a nest on her head with a little face sticking out of it, flapping its beady eyes, feel the rustling of little paws and hear a joyful squeak.
Originally Posted by Sini
I'm trying because for patch 7 Eden wants to look scandalously good. As I said, I'm still having problems getting things into the game and since some of the guides are out of date, I don't know exactly where my mistake is. Did I do something wrong when importing/exporting the 3D model or during the programming part? I have to check everything very carefully. I'm currently looking for a simpler model to look for possible sources of error. I'm currently digging through 8 folders of textures to find the right maps. ... I just saw there are more than 8
It will be very interesting to watch! Let me know when it will be ready and where to download!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
This is such a cute scene to imagine! At first glance it looks like a normal young noble child, but look a little more closely, and you can see he's anything but ordinary. It's funny, I imagine him looking a lot like Astarion too. Maybe with a few unique traits here and there added, depending on what a player's Tav/Durge looks like.
You can see the neat little fangs when he laughs with his mouth open, or yawns like a kitten. In the evening, for example... Astarion sits on his throne, menacingly reprimanding one of his subordinates who has failed in a task. His voice echoes through the vaults of the hall, but is suddenly cut short when a tired little boy enters the hall. His shirt is no longer white, his camisole is somewhere... (maybe Sceleritas knows where it is?), in his left hand is a backpack in the shape of owlbear, which is dragging on the floor and some pebbles and strange artifacts are falling out of it (where did he find it?), he is covered with some dust and cobwebs. Astarion raises his eyebrows in surprise, trying to hold back his laughter and preparing a profoundly wise statement appropriate to the situation, while the heir, paying no attention to anyone present, waddles to the throne, climbs onto his father's lap, stretches and yawns loudly, embraces him, rests his head on his shoulder and instantly falls asleep. Astarion lets out a short: "Hm!", throws everyone out of the hall with a commanding gesture of his hand, takes out a handkerchief, carefully removes the cobwebs from his son's hair and ears, and carries him to his crib.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I agree with all of your points about him. I love that you can choose to take control of the brain, or reject it, and he's just as happy if you don't do it. He never mentions it again and he looks so excited and optimistic to go traveling the world with you. I love how I can make all the goody-2-shoes decisions and get the Epilogue ending, AND also have Vampire Lord Astarion there as my partner. Some of the companions at the party even ask about whether I will have kids with my partner. So it's not just him turning into an irredeemable villain. I think maybe he was a little drunk on power at first right after the ritual, but in my mind, I think he really just wants to be safe (and keep his Consort safe too), drink his fine wine, throw some parties, get into some political gossip, and live life in luxury. He's very excited about living again and feeling so ALIVE. And now he has an eternity with his beloved, and a lifetime together to overcome/heal/work through the pain that he experienced in the past.
Yes, that's the way it is! After the ritual, he was a little drunk, not even just from the power, but from all these new feelings and sensations that came over him in a huge flood. Before he existed, not lived, in darkness, grayness and pain, only the tadpole gave him the opportunity to breathe life again and taste it. And now he is ALIVE again and feels everything, including things he never felt before. He hears the living creatures - bats and wolves, who want to serve him, he hears the beating of their hearts, it is delightful, but - it is also difficult... He needs to get used to it, to learn to understand and manage it, Astarion is very excited after the ritual, but who in his place would feel otherwise? The ritual didn't change him, the ritual expanded the range of his feelings and emotions, he is intoxicated by it, he needs time to realize this new cascade of feelings. "I feel alive, hahaha!" ALIVE is the key word. My DU, Tav, I'm not going to let anyone take that away from him again.
Yes, they have an eternity, and the beloved will give him all her love and tenderness, and all wounds will heal. Time heals, and fortunately we have plenty of that medicine.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Edit: This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from him, right after Astarion's siblings invade your camp. One of the things he says to you is, "I'm doing this for you too, you know. So that we can both be safe. Forever."
Yeah, I want to get there now and finally get that scene. Astarion understands the price of safety, and he knows what this world is really like. He's said before that he wants to protect you. I was really touched by how he... gives a lot. Love, attention, protection. I tried to give everything to him before, worrying only about him, and then - he's so willing to take care of me on his own! Even my favorite warrior roleplay got a little boring, and I wanted to play it differently, to be softer and trust Astarion - let him lead the group and be the protector. <3 Astarion manages to awaken the femininity in his beloved.
Originally Posted by Sini
When someone reads in his underwear that he is already married, the enemy is already far too close. ^^ But why would Astarion want to do that? He wasn't allowed to drink blood for 200 years and you let him drink while you have s*x, the poor man must completely lose his mind. ^^ For him, everything else is completely boring, and besides, he has the love of his life who he completely adores. I would trust him completely, he should decide for himself what he wants to wear. But if he wants, we can of course go shopping underwear.
Nah, nah, it's a joke for Astarion himself when he finally notices the inscription change. The question, of course, is how he will take such jealous jokes... Maybe he will repay it with something funny from his side. In the game there is no possibility to show even a little jealousy (Astarion, of course, does not give any reason, except that once he flirted with Sh. and called her a flower, but that was a long time ago), I sometimes want to be a little jealous, gently, so that it does not look like distrust, but rather like "Astarion in the center of attention". And to make him a little jealous too, just as a show of passion, in game he only reacts to absolutely horrible things like actual cheating, which I can't and don't want to do. He might ask what the hell Halsin wanted from me after I'd already sent Halsin away, or pull out his daggers right after Haarlep dared to tell me: "Take off your clothes" (in my headcanon, they pull out their weapons at the same time, and Astarion gives Haarlep the first and last brutal blow, and then they ask their companions to remove themselves, and then they love each other on the local luxury bed while Haarlep's corpse is lying on the floor somewhere, but they've already forgotten it exists).
Originally Posted by Sini
Edit: It would be much funnier if Astarion himself embroidered it into his underwear "If you read this, I'll be dead or defenseless and I promise you my wife will hurt you very much, if I can't do it anymore."
Yeah, that sounds really cute and fun, Astarion-style!
Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Oh my goodness... seeing the little Astarion-bat next to the even tinier child-bat!! <3 I think having a child would be deeply touching for Astarion, in a much sweeter way than he would ever expect. I can just imagine how much Sceleritas will love and adore Dark Urge's heir. He had to wait a very long time for them after all. This child is going to be very spoiled and deeply loved. And how lucky that he gets to have a magical butler to grow up with. Sceleritas: "I'm simply one hell of a butler-in-law"
And when Daddy leaves the room after flying lessons, Mommy goes to the little one and says, "Always do what Daddy teaches you. If you can do all that, then Mommy will show you how to control this big boy." Then you transform into the Slayer and the little one squeals with joy and you gently stroke his cheek with one claw.
*Sceleritas stands hidden behind a curtain and is completely proud.* He secretly loves Astarion too, but that doesn't stop him from sending the little one to play pranks on his father.
Oh, how adorable! <3 Maybe the pranking of the father will also happen because the kid really wants to be like him, to repeat what he does (like fiddling with books, climbing on the throne and trying to command everyone), and the little prankster will make it look like a funny parody of Astarion.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Oh my goodness, this child is going to grow up to be absolutely terrifying. Astarion + Dark Urge are already a deadly combination, but their child...? I think they'll inherit the best and most powerful parts of both of them, plus they get to perfect those skills from a young age. And they'll become just as handsome/beautiful and charming... Which makes them all the more dangerous. Awww, the proud and adoring Grandpa Sceleritas (and how much he loves them all) is going to bring a tear to my eye. :') Cutest little evil family ever. <3
One can imagine the moment when the powers of Bhaal and the Ascended Vampire awaken...
Astarion and Dark Urge left the kid with Sceleritas to celebrate their anniversary. The rooms in the Elfsong Tavern they rented for this are lined with flowers and candles. The same fireplace as it was back then... Its fire is reflected in Dark Urge's eyes as she stares at Astarion uninterrupted. Astarion, leaning over to his lover, kisses her hand. Gently. And even more tenderly, long, as if wanting to stop this moment, carrying it into eternity...
Several Harpers climb the sewers, intending to sneak into the castle, they know that the Lord and Lady have left it this night. Astarion Jr. sits on his throne, bored, adjusting his father's crown, which is clearly not yet his size and so keeps slipping down his nose. They argue with Sceleritas about what tastes better, blood or beetles, and about the fact that it's not fair that beetles are easy to put in a cup with blood, and to fill a beetle with blood you need a syringe, the beetle may burst, and even if everything works out, Sceleritas won't even notice the result, like last time. But the bugs in the glass of blood become very even noticeable when they suddenly fall into the mouth. Sceleritas suddenly puts her finger to her mouth, "Shh, shh, shh!" Mental Link. Astarion Jr. chuckles in a whisper, rubbing his fingers together ominously. As long as Sceleritas has his hand on the pulse, Mom and Dad can be left undisturbed.
...In this episode of the black horror comedy series "Castle Alone" the powers of the kid will show themselves, and the leader of the harpers near the finale is sure to regret that he himself did not listen to his mommy, and not become a donut seller at the market, like his father and grandfather before him...
Originally Posted by Ametris
Recently, I've run into this short showcasing a line I haven't heard yet, which is rogue exclusive. Astarion really adores villains:
Oh my goodness, this child is going to grow up to be absolutely terrifying. Astarion + Dark Urge are already a deadly combination, but their child...? I think they'll inherit the best and most powerful parts of both of them, plus they get to perfect those skills from a young age. And they'll become just as handsome/beautiful and charming... Which makes them all the more dangerous. Awww, the proud and adoring Grandpa Sceleritas (and how much he loves them all) is going to bring a tear to my eye. :') Cutest little evil family ever. <3
Originally Posted by Marielle
One can imagine the moment when the powers of Bhaal and the Ascended Vampire awaken...
Astarion and Dark Urge left the kid with Sceleritas to celebrate their anniversary. The rooms in the Elfsong Tavern they rented for this are lined with flowers and candles. The same fireplace as it was back then... Its fire is reflected in Dark Urge's eyes as she stares at Astarion uninterrupted. Astarion, leaning over to his lover, kisses her hand. Gently. And even more tenderly, long, as if wanting to stop this moment, carrying it into eternity...
Several Harpers climb the sewers, intending to sneak into the castle, they know that the Lord and Lady have left it this night. Astarion Jr. sits on his throne, bored, adjusting his father's crown, which is clearly not yet his size and so keeps slipping down his nose. They argue with Sceleritas about what tastes better, blood or beetles, and about the fact that it's not fair that beetles are easy to put in a cup with blood, and to fill a beetle with blood you need a syringe, the beetle may burst, and even if everything works out, Sceleritas won't even notice the result, like last time. But the bugs in the glass of blood become very even noticeable when they suddenly fall into the mouth. Sceleritas suddenly puts her finger to her mouth, "Shh, shh, shh!" Mental Link. Astarion Jr. chuckles in a whisper, rubbing his fingers together ominously. As long as Sceleritas has his hand on the pulse, Mom and Dad can be left undisturbed.
...In this episode of the black horror comedy series "Castle Alone" the powers of the kid will show themselves, and the leader of the harpers near the finale is sure to regret that he himself did not listen to his mommy, and not become a donut seller at the market, like his father and grandfather before him...
I bow... I have to think about that now
*Carefully remove the little bat from my hair and gently place it in his bed.*
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
*Carefully remove the little bat from my hair and gently place it in his bed.*
Bat turns back into a boy, smiles all his little fangs, and demands a cuddle and a goodnight kiss.
*You hug and kiss your child lovingly and sit next to him for a long time and watch him. You go into your bedroom and get a very old wooden box from a secret hiding place. It's covered in dust, you haven't opened it in a very long time. When you open it, there are 2 tiny daggers inside and only you and Sceleritas know what you did with them. You can still smell the old blood on those blades. You've always been the Dark Urge... right?
You close the box and push it back into its hiding place and with it a part of yourself that will remain hidden forever.*
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
"What is the name of your Daddy? ... YES, Ass ...tarion ... say aggain ... Ass...tarion ... You are such a clever sweet little Master. Tiny Sceleritas loves you so much. If you see your Daddy next time, tell him what you've learned." "Sceleritas looks devilishly happy.* "Next time I'll teach you the word "Gortash".
Ass-tarion! xD What a wonderfully devious little grandpa he is. Very interesting, I bet hearing about Gortash would make Astarion a bit jealous (even if he tries to hide it). And he will be very confused about why his child would be mentioning his name, lol. But I'm sure he'll have his suspicions...
Originally Posted by Sini
Sceleritas will dust off the pictures every day and check that none have disappeared. He found some in the sewers under the palace. He immediately hung it back up in the right place.
I can totally see this happening. It's now my headcanon. xD Thank you darling, your posts really brighten my day.
Originally Posted by Sini
What has he done? lol Did he bury Sceleritas somewhere again, only this time much deeper? Looking at Lae'zel and I, we didn't seem to help very much. Yes, as the text on the pictures suggests, I annoyed him again.
Ahaha, this is too good. Astarion might be coming back from the rose garden here, or from the sewers. Maybe even from the hag swamp... I'm thinking he didn't realize his face was so dirty. Even though the two of them prank each other like this, I'm imagining that Astarion would secretly get worried if Sceleritas doesn't return after a few days. I love how AA and your Urge are even bickering a little bit like a married couple here. :p
Originally Posted by Marielle
An even tinier bat, the dosage of cuteness is off the charts! <3 When he gets tired of flying, he can land quietly on his mom's head and nestle in her hair. Astarion will say, "You are so beautiful! That new hairstyle is just the height of fashion!" The Dark Urge will look in the mirror with surprise and see a nest on her head with a little face sticking out of it, flapping its beady eyes, feel the rustling of little paws and hear a joyful squeak.
You can see the neat little fangs when he laughs with his mouth open, or yawns like a kitten. In the evening, for example... Astarion sits on his throne, menacingly reprimanding one of his subordinates who has failed in a task. His voice echoes through the vaults of the hall, but is suddenly cut short when a tired little boy enters the hall. His shirt is no longer white, his camisole is somewhere... (maybe Sceleritas knows where it is?), in his left hand is a backpack in the shape of owlbear, which is dragging on the floor and some pebbles and strange artifacts are falling out of it (where did he find it?), he is covered with some dust and cobwebs. Astarion raises his eyebrows in surprise, trying to hold back his laughter and preparing a profoundly wise statement appropriate to the situation, while the heir, paying no attention to anyone present, waddles to the throne, climbs onto his father's lap, stretches and yawns loudly, embraces him, rests his head on his shoulder and instantly falls asleep. Astarion lets out a short: "Hm!", throws everyone out of the hall with a commanding gesture of his hand, takes out a handkerchief, carefully removes the cobwebs from his son's hair and ears, and carries him to his crib.
Oh my heart...!!! I can't take it, this is just so beautiful. :') The way you described Astarion's attitude shift from harsh and strict master, to indulgent and bemused daddy... perfect. <3 And the lil baby bat in Dark Urge's hair! <3 So cuuute! I can see Astarion kissing the little bat's head, giving him a gentle *boop* on the nose, then leaning down to gently kiss Dark Urge's forehead.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Yes, that's the way it is! After the ritual, he was a little drunk, not even just from the power, but from all these new feelings and sensations that came over him in a huge flood. Before he existed, not lived, in darkness, grayness and pain, only the tadpole gave him the opportunity to breathe life again and taste it. And now he is ALIVE again and feels everything, including things he never felt before. He hears the living creatures - bats and wolves, who want to serve him, he hears the beating of their hearts, it is delightful, but - it is also difficult... He needs to get used to it, to learn to understand and manage it, Astarion is very excited after the ritual, but who in his place would feel otherwise? The ritual didn't change him, the ritual expanded the range of his feelings and emotions, he is intoxicated by it, he needs time to realize this new cascade of feelings. "I feel alive, hahaha!" ALIVE is the key word. My DU, Tav, I'm not going to let anyone take that away from him again.
Thank you Marielle, you have actually helped me understand that scene (right after the ritual) in a deeper way than before. A little light bulb just went off above my head. I'm remembering what Raphael said about the ritual. It makes a lot of sense that Astarion would feel drunk not just from the overflowing power, but from all of those intense "new" emotions suddenly flooding him. Emotions, desires, and appetites that he hasn't had for 200 years! In all those years, he's gotten numb from never-ending hunger and having lost so much. The way he said "And I feel alive," and the way he laughed... I recorded this scene and had to watch it a few times over because it gave me chills. It's one of my favorite moments that sticks out in my mind. I think this was the first time I ever heard him laugh quite like that in the game – it felt to me like he was finally feeling GENUINELY happy, confident, and triumphant. Maybe also feeling an intensified/renewed hot-blooded appetite for his lover, too (I imagine!).
Originally Posted by Marielle
Yeah, I want to get there now and finally get that scene. Astarion understands the price of safety, and he knows what this world is really like. He's said before that he wants to protect you. I was really touched by how he... gives a lot. Love, attention, protection. I tried to give everything to him before, worrying only about him, and then - he's so willing to take care of me on his own! Even my favorite warrior roleplay got a little boring, and I wanted to play it differently, to be softer and trust Astarion - let him lead the group and be the protector. <3 Astarion manages to awaken the femininity in his beloved.
Absolutely, I agree. <3 It's definitely worth it to get that scene. It made me do an audible "Awwww.." And it solidified my belief that he urgently wants to protect you from harm always. I also didn't get to see that scene during my first playthrough! I hate how easy it can be to miss important things. It's tragic to me how so many people want to paint him as this horrible partner who doesn't care for you anymore, and twisting him into an unfeeling villain who lost all of his humanity and his soul. People love to quote the things he says after you break up with him as proof but I'm not convinced. From all that I've seen and experienced from him, that assumption couldn't be further from the truth. You're the one person who he wants by his side forever and the one person other than himself who he wants to protect. You are literally in each other's arms until the stars collapse. :') I'll never believe that he stops caring. All I can see is a very deep love that goes into eternity.
*You hug and kiss your child lovingly and sit next to him for a long time and watch him. You go into your bedroom and get a very old wooden box from a secret hiding place. It's covered in dust, you haven't opened it in a very long time. When you open it, there are 2 tiny daggers inside and only you and Sceleritas know what you did with them. You can still smell the old blood on those blades. You've always been the Dark Urge... right? You close the box and push it back into its hiding place and with it a part of yourself that will remain hidden forever.*
The tiny daggers! I always wondered if Dark Urge would ever open up to anyone about this part of their childhood... It feels to me like Dark Urge is closing that chapter of their life now while starting a new one now with their child. <3 My Durge wears the tips of her old daggers in her hair as fashion accessories.^^'
"What is the name of your Daddy? ... YES, Ass ...tarion ... say aggain ... Ass...tarion ... You are such a clever sweet little Master. Tiny Sceleritas loves you so much. If you see your Daddy next time, tell him what you've learned." "Sceleritas looks devilishly happy.* "Next time I'll teach you the word "Gortash".
Ass-tarion! xD What a wonderfully devious little grandpa he is. Very interesting, I bet hearing about Gortash would make Astarion a bit jealous (even if he tries to hide it). And he will be very confused about why his child would be mentioning his name, lol. But I'm sure he'll have his suspicions...
When you ask what your daddy's name is and your child answers "Gortash"... I think that's the moment when Astarion's face immediately twists into a vicious grimace and he just says "Darling, take the child and go away , what is about to happen should not be seen by any of you".
If he says something like that in a family like yours, where murder, blood and even violence is somewhat commonplace, then he's at a point where he's dropping any facade of dignity and doesn't want us to see him like that.
This should be the moment when Sceleritas also knows that he has overdone it. ^^
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I can totally see this happening. It's now my headcanon. xD Thank you darling, your posts really brighten my day.
Here's an extra .
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I love how AA and your Urge are even bickering a little bit like a married couple here. :p
I like to choose answers that are not the ones Astarion would expects. I love it when he gets upset for 2 seconds and then everything goes back to normal.
Even if I let the monastery collapse on us, he can't be angry with you for long. Where I still think it's his fault! HE agrees with me to steal the shiny weapon. HE tells me not to worry, there's definitely an exit there... Ok, I never tell him that I have an item with which we could safely take the weapon... but that's not the point.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
The tiny daggers! I always wondered if Dark Urge would ever open up to anyone about this part of their childhood... It feels to me like Dark Urge is closing that chapter of their life now while starting a new one now with their child. <3 My Durge wears the tips of her old daggers in her hair as fashion accessories.^^'
I think the Dark Urge is very complex in his personality. He is a private person somewhere, with his own thoughts and these 2 daggers are basically the end of a possible life without the Urge. The Dark Urge must be very educated and smart after we know what he did. He also has a certain emotional intelligence, considering the almost warm loving words he has for Orin.I then see the face of my Dark Urge,
when she kills Orpheus or the Emperor and knows that in a few moments she will be the Absolute und the world will burn
, has an almost painful expression on her face and briefly closes her eyes. I do think that the Dark Urge has few moments in which he thinks about his actions and the consequences.
If you then look at your happy child and you yourself was hardly older at the time, it might make the Dark Urge sad.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
*You hug and kiss your child lovingly and sit next to him for a long time and watch him. You go into your bedroom and get a very old wooden box from a secret hiding place. It's covered in dust, you haven't opened it in a very long time. When you open it, there are 2 tiny daggers inside and only you and Sceleritas know what you did with them. You can still smell the old blood on those blades. You've always been the Dark Urge... right?
You close the box and push it back into its hiding place and with it a part of yourself that will remain hidden forever.*
A beautiful and slightly sad shot.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I can see Astarion kissing the little bat's head, giving him a gentle *boop* on the nose, then leaning down to gently kiss Dark Urge's forehead.
What a beautiful happy moment! <3 The next day...
"50 shades of gray" is a story about how a little white vampire had a new snow-white suit made to order (Figaro decorated it with pearls), and the little vampire decided that now it was the right time to explore the mysteries of the castle dungeon and find in its dusty silent depths unknown treasures - a one-eyed skull and a dried mummy of a huge beetle (a gift for Sceleritas).
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I'm remembering what Raphael said about the ritual. It makes a lot of sense that Astarion would feel drunk not just from the overflowing power, but from all of those intense "new" emotions suddenly flooding him. Emotions, desires, and appetites that he hasn't had for 200 years! In all those years, he's gotten numb from never-ending hunger and having lost so much. The way he said "And I feel alive," and the way he laughed... I recorded this scene and had to watch it a few times over because it gave me chills. It's one of my favorite moments that sticks out in my mind. I think this was the first time I ever heard him laugh quite like that in the game � it felt to me like he was finally feeling GENUINELY happy, confident, and triumphant. Maybe also feeling an intensified/renewed hot-blooded appetite for his lover, too (I imagine!).
Yeah, I got chills from that scene too! It was the first time he had ever laughed like that before! Astarion only really laughs so genuinely and triumphantly after the ritual. I've watched UA videos and not once have I seen him laugh. What's also interesting is that after the Ascension, he always keeps his posture natural, and stops moving his whole body like he used to. The appetite for the lover should also appear, for now all the senses are awakened in him. At night after the ritual one can see that he really wants it, even when he comes from behind and bites, there is a certain thirst and desire in this bite.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Absolutely, I agree. <3 It's definitely worth it to get that scene. It made me do an audible "Awwww.." And it solidified my belief that he urgently wants to protect you from harm always. I also didn't get to see that scene during my first playthrough! I hate how easy it can be to miss important things.
I was lucky enough to find a fairly close old save where we hadn't gotten to Cazador yet, so I didn't have to wait until I got there again. I was only one rest short, it turns out. It's a shame that the scene with the nasty half-naked illithid ( molestation by the Emperor) always comes first. I've had normal interactions with the Emperor, and have no personal dislike for him, but purely aesthetically that scene is just gross. Okay, head with tentacles, that's fine, but at least let him walk around decently dressed, ugh, I have to make an effort to say no to him without insulting him. It would be much better if your beloved's plot scenes were given maximum priority.
Interesting that Astarion didn't say that line to me, about "no one cared about me like you". I replayed it twice - asking what would have happened if the spawns had died, and saying that I hope Cazador can't control him (understandable, but just wanted to hear the answer). Each time, Astarion says at the end, "And thank you. No matter what happens, it's only because of you that I can stand up to him". That line really warms me up too, and it's great, but where does the line about caring hide? I helped him fool the spawns both times before this. Before that I chose the line, "Get the hell out of here!". I know that if you read Astarion a moral, he'll tell a bitter story about the boy he saved and the year of hunger.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
It's tragic to me how so many people want to paint him as this horrible partner who doesn't care for you anymore, and twisting him into an unfeeling villain who lost all of his humanity and his soul. People love to quote the things he says after you break up with him as proof but I'm not convinced. From all that I've seen and experienced from him, that assumption couldn't be further from the truth. You're the one person who he wants by his side forever and the one person other than himself who he wants to protect. You are literally in each other's arms until the stars collapse. :') I'll never believe that he stops caring. All I can see is a very deep love that goes into eternity.
These many people are so eager to paint him as a "terrible partner" that they explicitly insist on choosing the "right" lines for their story. Just look closely at those lines. Tav comes off in them as someone whose lack of intelligence is compensated for except by a heightened level of bitchiness. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, the roleplay can be whatever the player likes, as long as it's an option in the game. But it's hard to call Astarion's reaction to it horrible. It's adequate to the situation (except he goes to screaming because he's in pain). How many twists in the head is Tav, who agreed to a ritual that binds forever, and... not even a year later starts throwing tantrums and wanting to break up? The bride ritual can't be broken, a vampire can kill his bride, though it will hurt him badly, but not break it.
Not infrequently they also cite the example of a love confession squeezed out of the unhappy Astarion in an "incorrect form": "I love you, that's what you want to hear." To get to it, you have to talk like a heroine from a bad anecdote to Astarion. If I wanted to eat male brains, I would agree to become an illithid, for surely an illithid enjoys the process much more. And if I want to talk about love, I can always honestly say, "I love you" first, I'm disgusted with squeezing words of gratitude or recognition out of anyone. A begged or squeezed word has no value, and it will always sound "different" than the words a person says to you on their own willingly. But you remember Astarion's thanks before the kiss of the hand, and the next morning. And you don't have to squeeze anything out of him for that.
If you watch a slice of video in the style of: "Bad Astarion - unhealthy relationship" and just put yourself in Astarion's shoes, imagine it all being addressed to you, especially: "You're like Cazador" (knowing that Cazador tormented him for two hundred years and Astarion hated that creature more than anything else in the world), then you'll be able to appreciate this situation in all its colors. For me, there is something creepy and extremely vile in the way it is proposed to leave a loved one in darkness, with eternal hunger, with no colors of life, with dulled feelings, because he does not confess his love in the "proper" way. But this is just my opinion, I am not an expert or a psychologist, for me a "healthy relationship" is a relationship without pain and tragedy, and that's it. The only thing I want to do after that is to go into my game and kiss Astarion, and build my own healthy relationship with him where he never gets hurt again. And you said it very well, that it's a very deep love going into eternity. It's too deep a love to be considered "the norm". "The norm" is something average, ordinary, not outstanding. Astarion won't stop caring about that. He gets sad when you go off to talk to the others at the party in the epilogue, promises to keep an eye on you, and makes that face:
And about "soul loss," if you're interested, we've discussed that here. Starting with illeaillas-san's post #943485.
Originally Posted by Sini
When you ask what your daddy's name is and your child answers "Gortash"... I think that's the moment when Astarion's face immediately twists into a vicious grimace and he just says "Darling, take the child and go away , what is about to happen should not be seen by any of you".
If he says something like that in a family like yours, where murder, blood and even violence is somewhat commonplace, then he's at a point where he's dropping any facade of dignity and doesn't want us to see him like that.
This should be the moment when Sceleritas also knows that he has overdone it. ^^
Oh, hehe, I myself would lose my temper if my child said his father's name was Gortash. An extreme form of surprise, so extreme that it cannot be expressed in any other way than by a word totally unacceptable in high society? If the child learns this word as a result, it will be a complete failure...
P.S. I was going to reply in the "Funniest thing you've found" thread, but when I wrote a reply I saw that we were already being banished from there, so I'm moving this post here (it's mostly about Astarion, after all).
Originally Posted by Sini
You don't have to be particularly good for Honor Mode, it's just the appeal that I end the game by dying. I always plan what I'm doing and then nothing works out I forget my potions and everything else I wanted to do. But that's exactly what's fun.
Try the Steelwatcher Titan with a Gloomstalker and a Bard with 2 1-hand Crossbows and all enemies are immune to piercing damage or take less damage from it... of course I don't think about that... that was fun. ^^ And I had planned so beautifully, to throw an invisibility potion at Scratch, he then sneaks through and starts the fight, so that the Titan is already there and I can attack while in stealth... none of it worked... except for Scratch, that one did his job
That's a very interesting idea! I've never taken Scratch into combat, I was always afraid for him, but with the invisibility potion it's a different tactic... I also like the simple but perfectly working combination of Tav warrior - defense tank and Astarion - assassin. Astarion is very comfortable throwing stealthy strikes at Tav's engaged opponents. The main trick is the "gentle protective bonds" that Tav puts on Astarion, and also pump his ability to wear medium armor. Armour of Agility (Sold by Gloomy Fentonson at Stormshore Armoury in Act III) allows him to add Dexterity Modifier to his Armour Class + Balduran Helmet + Protective Cloak. AC 26 - Astarion - assassin tank + resistance to all types of damage + half of the damage goes to Tav, Astarion has not died in combat once in the entire 3rd chapter. My personal funny moment - after the fight with Ansur: Tav and Will are wishing for resurrection, Astarion is standing alone, staggering, covered in blood and bruises, stunned, Lae'zel is lying unconscious in the background. And our dearest Emperor immediately appears and begins to tell his story in a sedate way, with expression... Looking at Astarion's face in this scene, I imagined what lines he would say to him now, if he could...
Originally Posted by Celesti4
-This reminds me of something else I found funny: If you melee attack Gortash outside of battle, before the final fight,
and then apologize with: "Sorry, my hand slipped," He will kick your leg and say, "What a coincidence! So did my foot." I think this may only happen if you team up with him and take him with you before the Netherbrain fight. I would never have found this little detail on my own! It's so funny the little things that the devs thought about.
Yeah, you have to ally yourself with him to do that. I wonder if it's somehow possible to combine saving Will's father and an alliance with Gortash, or are they basically mutually exclusive? Haha, I really liked his reaction! He did the right thing, because these heroes are used to the fact that no one will fight back, well done!
Originally Posted by Sini
I think the right people are talking about the benefits of flowers.
Astarion is very practical about flowers! The Lae'zel line is interesting too, I've had other companions with Astarion and this line, but I hadn't heard Lae'zel's answer before!
Interesting that Astarion didn't say that line to me, about "no one cared about me like you". I replayed it twice - asking what would have happened if the spawns had died, and saying that I hope Cazador can't control him (understandable, but just wanted to hear the answer). Each time, Astarion says at the end, "And thank you. No matter what happens, it's only because of you that I can stand up to him". That line really warms me up too, and it's great, but where does the line about caring hide? I helped him fool the spawns both times before this. Before that I chose the line, "Get the hell out of here!". I know that if you read Astarion a moral, he'll tell a bitter story about the boy he saved and the year of hunger.
You have to be silent when Astarion deceives his brother and sister, and then choose "I can't believe you deceived them" and "you have no compassion for those who suffer as you do?" Then Astarion will say that no one has ever cared for him.
That's a very interesting idea! I've never taken Scratch into combat, I was always afraid for him, but with the invisibility potion it's a different tactic... I also like the simple but perfectly working combination of Tav warrior - defense tank and Astarion - assassin. Astarion is very comfortable throwing stealthy strikes at Tav's engaged opponents. The main trick is the "gentle protective bonds" that Tav puts on Astarion, and also pump his ability to wear medium armor. Armour of Agility (Sold by Gloomy Fentonson at Stormshore Armoury in Act III) allows him to add Dexterity Modifier to his Armour Class + Balduran Helmet + Protective Cloak. AC 26 - Astarion - assassin tank + resistance to all types of damage + half of the damage goes to Tav, Astarion has not died in combat once in the entire 3rd chapter. My personal funny moment - after the fight with Ansur: Tav and Will are wishing for resurrection, Astarion is standing alone, staggering, covered in blood and bruises, stunned, Lae'zel is lying unconscious in the background. And our dearest Emperor immediately appears and begins to tell his story in a sedate way, with expression... Looking at Astarion's face in this scene, I imagined what lines he would say to him now, if he could...
My sweet, I'll answer in more detail later. In the meantime I'll leave the video of shame there. I still have to laugh about that mistake. Astarion prepares the battle so well... We could have thrown the arrows by hand and shouted "Phew Phew" lol But ok, we killed them and it could have been a lot worse.
Edit: There are some very good builds for Astarion. As AA he has an additional +1d10 necrotic Dmg with each attack, which makes him very powerful. Personally, I really like him as a gloomstalker. I personally enjoy playing the bard and I really like the bardadin (as Dark Urge "Hello Oathbreaker my friend" *wave* ). The protector build would go well with Astarion ,for example, if you play with two people in melee. As long as I have a little less AC than Astarion, they would basically attack me and as soon as they attack me, it triggers a reaction from Astarion. I could just as easily imagine him in an Assassin Rogue/Shadow Monk build, where he would be like my deadly lover who walks in my shadow. *meow*
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
When you ask what your daddy's name is and your child answers "Gortash"... I think that's the moment when Astarion's face immediately twists into a vicious grimace and he just says "Darling, take the child and go away , what is about to happen should not be seen by any of you". If he says something like that in a family like yours, where murder, blood and even violence is somewhat commonplace, then he's at a point where he's dropping any facade of dignity and doesn't want us to see him like that. This should be the moment when Sceleritas also knows that he has overdone it. ^^
Oh my~ I love this. And I can't blame Astarion for reacting like that. I think Gortash's name would be banned from the household from that point on.
Originally Posted by Sini
I like to choose answers that are not the ones Astarion would expects. I love it when he gets upset for 2 seconds and then everything goes back to normal.
Yes, I think he actually adores it deep down. He likes to be surprised and teased, as he does the same thing too. I think that a little naughty streak would be something he finds delightful and it matches his mischievous playfulness. You're someone he views as very special and he for sure doesn't think you're boring or ordinary like any normie on Faerun.
Originally Posted by Sini
I think the Dark Urge is very complex in his personality. He is a private person somewhere, with his own thoughts and these 2 daggers are basically the end of a possible life without the Urge. The Dark Urge must be very educated and smart after we know what he did. He also has a certain emotional intelligence, considering the almost warm loving words he has for Orin.I then see the face of my Dark Urge,
when she kills Orpheus or the Emperor and knows that in a few moments she will be the Absolute und the world will burn
, has an almost painful expression on her face and briefly closes her eyes. I do think that the Dark Urge has few moments in which he thinks about his actions and the consequences. If you then look at your happy child and you yourself was hardly older at the time, it might make the Dark Urge sad.
You make a beautiful point here, thank you. I think Dark Urge was thoughtful, loyal, and a genius in their own way. Probably why Durge and Gortash admired each other and had that respect for each other. Even though I was playing my own character however I wanted to, the game did a nice job of giving clues and painting a bit of a picture of who Dark Urge really was before – and not just their bloodthirsty nature.
Originally Posted by Marielle
"50 shades of gray" is a story about how a little white vampire had a new snow-white suit made to order (Figaro decorated it with pearls), and the little vampire decided that now it was the right time to explore the mysteries of the castle dungeon and find in its dusty silent depths unknown treasures - a one-eyed skull and a dried mummy of a huge beetle (a gift for Sceleritas).
Ooh... Now this is a story I want to hear.
Originally Posted by Marielle
It's a shame that the scene with the nasty half-naked illithid ( molestation by the Emperor) always comes first. I've had normal interactions with the Emperor, and have no personal dislike for him, but purely aesthetically that scene is just gross. Okay, head with tentacles, that's fine, but at least let him walk around decently dressed, ugh, I have to make an effort to say no to him without insulting him. It would be much better if your beloved's plot scenes were given maximum priority.
Yeah, that scene is unpleasant. The way he's even leaning back suggestively while scantily dressed, lol. When he stands up, I swear he purposely did it in a way where his clothes move so you can see underneath his cloth. I like being rude to him during this scene, because when you're harsh to him, it makes him completely drop his mask, and shows you what he really thinks about you and why he's acting that way. It also shows you what he did to
Duke Stelmane.
I completely missed all of those details during my first playthrough all because I was being too polite to him.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Interesting that Astarion didn't say that line to me, about "no one cared about me like you". I replayed it twice - asking what would have happened if the spawns had died, and saying that I hope Cazador can't control him (understandable, but just wanted to hear the answer). Each time, Astarion says at the end, "And thank you. No matter what happens, it's only because of you that I can stand up to him". That line really warms me up too, and it's great, but where does the line about caring hide? I helped him fool the spawns both times before this. Before that I chose the line, "Get the hell out of here!". I know that if you read Astarion a moral, he'll tell a bitter story about the boy he saved and the year of hunger.
It comes from the first text response you can give right after the battle with them, where you can say to him, "I can't believe how you lied to them..." and then choose the "Do you have sympathy for..." I believe it comes up as a response if you either choose deception or persuasion dialogue responses when they first appeared. Here is a clip I put together of his responses from my gameplay recording:
I love how he looks when he says "So we'll both be safe, forever. For good." His face looks so determined and strong-willed, and I can see he's very serious about it.
A bit off topic, but in regards to Minthara's little comment there – Does anyone know why or how the vampire spawn were able to enter the camp without an invitation?? I'm not sure if it was ever explained. Unless it's got something to do with Cazador trickery. Also... what are these "remains" that Minthara speaks of? They all just poofed away... lol.
Originally Posted by Marielle
These many people are so eager to paint him as a "terrible partner" that they explicitly insist on choosing the "right" lines for their story. Just look closely at those lines. Tav comes off in them as someone whose lack of intelligence is compensated for except by a heightened level of bitchiness. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, the roleplay can be whatever the player likes, as long as it's an option in the game. But it's hard to call Astarion's reaction to it horrible. It's adequate to the situation (except he goes to screaming because he's in pain). How many twists in the head is Tav, who agreed to a ritual that binds forever, and... not even a year later starts throwing tantrums and wanting to break up? The bride ritual can't be broken, a vampire can kill his bride, though it will hurt him badly, but not break it.
I agree. It's fine for those who enjoy roleplaying it that way, but that doesn't prove that AA doesn't love your Tav/Durge. Those are just opinions. I guess people can twist context clues to suit their needs. But you can easily do a whole playthrough without ever having him yell at you nor showing any displeasure towards you. You make a wonderful point: Of course if you say hurtful things to him, he's going to be angry. Especially when you consider that he does love you, and if you break his heart, he will be upset and will lash out (and possibly tries to convince himself of what he's saying, too). I can just imagine how disappointed he would be if you treated him that way. I absolutely love how they added the vampire bride lore into it. They made it subtle enough, but if you follow the hints, it makes it clear what he did.
Originally Posted by Marielle
And you said it very well, that it's a very deep love going into eternity. It's too deep a love to be considered "the norm". "The norm" is something average, ordinary, not outstanding. Astarion won't stop caring about that. He gets sad when you go off to talk to the others at the party in the epilogue, promises to keep an eye on you, and makes that face:
Oh, AA at the epilogue party is my fav. <3 Such great (and even some funny) pieces of dialogue. I even liked the 'bad' response because it wasn't really bad. It just showed me how he doesn't want to lose you and how he tries to spoil you and give you the world. Hehe, the way he says he's always watching. It made me laugh when I first heard it because I wasn't expecting it, but damn I loved that. It can be interpreted in a couple of different ways, but I like the idea that my character always has Astarion there to watch over you, making sure you don't wander off and hurt yourself (the scene where you recklessly stick your hand into the wall at Moonrise Towers comes to mind, lol), and making sure no one harms you. The writing here was done well and I thought it was kind of tongue-in-cheek. I agree with you! AA doesn't see your partnership as ordinary. He wants something that surpasses ordinary. It makes me think of Spawn's only response when you ask him what he thinks of your relationship ("Oh, nothing special..."). I know it's not meant to be taken that seriously, because he follows it up with something sweet, but I can't help but think there's something underneath his words.
Originally Posted by Marielle
P.S. I was going to reply in the "Funniest thing you've found" thread, but when I wrote a reply I saw that we were already being banished from there, so I'm moving this post here (it's mostly about Astarion, after all).
Lol, I saw that too..
Originally Posted by Marielle
Yeah, you have to ally yourself with him to do that. I wonder if it's somehow possible to combine saving Will's father and an alliance with Gortash, or are they basically mutually exclusive? Haha, I really liked his reaction! He did the right thing, because these heroes are used to the fact that no one will fight back, well done!
I am looking forward to testing all of this out, maybe in the next playthrough.^^ Yes, I really like how it gave Gortash a bit more bite to his personality, lol.
Originally Posted by Sini
There are some very good builds for Astarion. As AA he has an additional +1d10 necrotic Dmg with each attack, which makes him very powerful. Personally, I really like him as a gloomstalker. I personally enjoy playing the bard and I really like the bardadin (as Dark Urge "Hello Oathbreaker my friend" *wave* ). The protector build would go well with Astarion ,for example, if you play with two people in melee. As long as I have a little less AC than Astarion, they would basically attack me and as soon as they attack me, it triggers a reaction from Astarion. I could just as easily imagine him in an Assassin Rogue/Shadow Monk build, where he would be like my deadly lover who walks in my shadow. *meow*
Love your videos!! <3 What a delicious thought... I def want to have Astarion as monk next time.
Sorry for all this text - I wanted to make sure I didn't forget to respond to anything.
Sorry for all this text - I wanted to make sure I didn't forget to respond to anything.
Everything's fine darling. Hope you're well. I appreciate it when people, inspired by the thoughts of others, let their thoughts run free and find themselves there in an extended story. A lot of things come together to create an overall picture.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Oh my~ I love this. And I can't blame Astarion for reacting like that. I think Gortash's name would be banned from the household from that point on. hahaha
You can be sure that the name Gortash will never be mentioned in this household again. We better not know what Astarion did to Sceleritas for this prank. Certainly Sceleritas will have enjoyed these deaths, but they have also given him respect for Astarion. He will now accept him also as master, but that doesn't stop him from continuing to play pranks... his brain is already working again.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Yes, I think he actually adores it deep down. He likes to be surprised and teased, as he does the same thing too. smile I think that a little naughty streak would be something he finds delightful and it matches his mischievous playfulness. You're someone he views as very special and he for sure doesn't think you're boring or ordinary like any normie on Faerun.
I also think he appreciates that. When you give him answers that you think will upset him, he often smiles. As long as it isn't malicious or goes against his interests, he takes a lot of things with humor.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Originally Posted by Marielle
"50 shades of gray" is a story about how a little white vampire had a new snow-white suit made to order (Figaro decorated it with pearls), and the little vampire decided that now it was the right time to explore the mysteries of the castle dungeon and find in its dusty silent depths unknown treasures - a one-eyed skull and a dried mummy of a huge beetle (a gift for Sceleritas).
Ooh... Now this is a story I want to hear. smile
Me too .
Originally Posted by Celesti4
What a delicious thought... wink I def want to have Astarion as monk next time.
If I remember correctly, with 6 levels in Shadow Monk you get the shadowstep and can then jump from shadow to shadow. Then 3 or 4 levels in Rogue Assassin and for the rest I would see whether, for example, in Fighter, Druid or whether 6 in Rogue brings an advantage. Played with 2 short swords and later for example Orin's dagger and/or dagger from Cazador ... Yes, that sound great... lol. I could easily imagine it together with a Dark Urge Warlock with Devilssight who fights with Darkness and Astarion sneaks into the surrounding shadows or waits for the opponents in your darkness. So as a very dark shadow couple only played as a duo.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
After playing BG3 with Ascended Astarion I got so much into the RP, I actually made him my main character in Elden Ring. Funny how much influence a character can have on a gamer. I just really identify with him in addition to liking his personality. He has all the death and blood magic ofcourse in addition to deadly bloodletting daggers, and a bouquet of bloody roses (it's a funny bleed weapon). I think BG3 might have opened the Pandora box of RP for me. I was midly into it before, now I want to RP the Vampire Lord everywhere. While waiting for Patch 7. All the anticipation for that one.
You have to be silent when Astarion deceives his brother and sister, and then choose "I can't believe you deceived them" and "you have no compassion for those who suffer as you do?" Then Astarion will say that no one has ever cared for him.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
It comes from the first text response you can give right after the battle with them, where you can say to him, "I can't believe how you lied to them..." and then choose the "Do you have sympathy for..." I believe it comes up as a response if you either choose deception or persuasion dialogue responses when they first appeared. Here is a clip I put together of his responses from my gameplay recording:
I love how he looks when he says "So we'll both be safe, forever. For good." His face looks so determined and strong-willed, and I can see he's very serious about it.
Thanks! For some reason I thought this option sounded like an accusation, I didn't choose it and was puzzled by the fact that there are no caring lines, I thought that since Astarion talks about caring, I should say something caring to him beforehand, and the only show of caring in this scene is helping to trick the spawns (if you can call that caring :)). And this is an extra line that gives more as a result. In the next playthrough, I'll be saving at the beginning of dialogs with Astarion to see more. I've often had moments in the game where it's unclear whether it's an extra cue that will expand the dialog, or a "cue choice" that leads to one finalizing or another.
Originally Posted by Sini
My sweet, I'll answer in more detail later. In the meantime I'll leave the video of shame there. I still have to laugh about that mistake. Astarion prepares the battle so well... We could have thrown the arrows by hand and shouted "Phew Phew" lol But ok, we killed them and it could have been a lot worse.
Cool, honor mode to go through with two, good tactics using bombs and retreats, looks like it could really be in some fantasy story or DnD!
Originally Posted by Sini
Edit: There are some very good builds for Astarion. As AA he has an additional +1d10 necrotic Dmg with each attack, which makes him very powerful. Personally, I really like him as a gloomstalker. I personally enjoy playing the bard and I really like the bardadin (as Dark Urge "Hello Oathbreaker my friend" *wave* ). The protector build would go well with Astarion ,for example, if you play with two people in melee. As long as I have a little less AC than Astarion, they would basically attack me and as soon as they attack me, it triggers a reaction from Astarion. I could just as easily imagine him in an Assassin Rogue/Shadow Monk build, where he would be like my deadly lover who walks in my shadow. *meow*
Curious, will have to try different variations with him!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Yeah, that scene is unpleasant. The way he's even leaning back suggestively while scantily dressed, lol. When he stands up, I swear he purposely did it in a way where his clothes move so you can see underneath his cloth. I like being rude to him during this scene, because when you're harsh to him, it makes him completely drop his mask, and shows you what he really thinks about you and why he's acting that way. It also shows you what he did to
Duke Stelmane.
I completely missed all of those details during my first playthrough all because I was being too polite to him.
Oh, thank you! Now I won't be too polite!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I agree. It's fine for those who enjoy roleplaying it that way, but that doesn't prove that AA doesn't love your Tav/Durge. Those are just opinions. I guess people can twist context clues to suit their needs. But you can easily do a whole playthrough without ever having him yell at you nor showing any displeasure towards you. You make a wonderful point: Of course if you say hurtful things to him, he's going to be angry. Especially when you consider that he does love you, and if you break his heart, he will be upset and will lash out (and possibly tries to convince himself of what he's saying, too). I can just imagine how disappointed he would be if you treated him that way. I absolutely love how they added the vampire bride lore into it. They made it subtle enough, but if you follow the hints, it makes it clear what he did.
In my walkthrough, Astarion didn't yell at me once at all. We had a great relationship. In general, it's even interestingly shown - Astarion behaves like a living person, he reacts to attitudes towards him, and behaves differently with different people. A player can choose a feud story, and see love crumble, break Astarion's heart, and yes, Astarion will treat differently to THEIR Tav/DU, just don't confuse that with Astarion's attitude towards the Tav/DU of those players who love Astarion, and choose a love story. Two different stories are possible with AA, depending on the player's attitude and roleplay. The feud story is generally well written if you look at it objectively, although I don't like this story at all for personal reasons, I can't and don't want to roleplay a character so opposite to myself in personality and character, and I would never do that to Astarion. And it's a pity that this story is given more attention, while there are not many options for loving roleplay, very few opportunities in the story to show Astarion my love, I think it would be much better to keep some kind of balance between positive and negative, in terms of the number of lines and options for different options of roleplay.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Oh, AA at the epilogue party is my fav. <3 Such great (and even some funny) pieces of dialogue. I even liked the 'bad' response because it wasn't really bad. It just showed me how he doesn't want to lose you and how he tries to spoil you and give you the world. Hehe, the way he says he's always watching. It made me laugh when I first heard it because I wasn't expecting it, but damn I loved that. It can be interpreted in a couple of different ways, but I like the idea that my character always has Astarion there to watch over you, making sure you don't wander off and hurt yourself (the scene where you recklessly stick your hand into the wall at Moonrise Towers comes to mind, lol), and making sure no one harms you. The writing here was done well and I thought it was kind of tongue-in-cheek.
Yes, yes, now you'll be able to make cute sad eyes in Astarion's direction, "Love, why didn't you watch me?" after you stick your hand where you shouldn't have! And I also love the game when my character herself tries to follow Astarion's every move, because I wonder how someone who's always watching you will react to you watching him... At the party, I'm always spying on him.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I agree with you! AA doesn't see your partnership as ordinary. He wants something that surpasses ordinary. It makes me think of Spawn's only response when you ask him what he thinks of your relationship ("Oh, nothing special..."). I know it's not meant to be taken that seriously, because he follows it up with something sweet, but I can't help but think there's something underneath his words.
Yes, he then says nice things like you're the only person he really care for, but he also coughs so embarrassed, like he's embarrassed of himself or his own words. He doesn't have the strength or ability to care properly (unlike Ascended). The relationship with UA is some kind of friendship, not love. He's not himself, in chapter 2 before Cazador the relationship was better, Astarion was more playful. I can't play with UA on an emotional level - I feel that he feels bad, he's depressed, he wears a mask of "proper behavior", I feel pained about him and there's nothing I can do about it.
And with Astarion after Ascension, it's something "more than just love". It really transcends the ordinary. Maybe that's also why it's so hard to break away from Astarion, and start playing some other game.
Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Originally Posted by Marielle
"50 shades of gray" is a story about how a little white vampire had a new snow-white suit made to order (Figaro decorated it with pearls), and the little vampire decided that now it was the right time to explore the mysteries of the castle dungeon and find in its dusty silent depths unknown treasures - a one-eyed skull and a dried mummy of a huge beetle (a gift for Sceleritas).
Ooh... Now this is a story I want to hear. smile
Me too .
Dust was everywhere... Dust and silence until it was broken by little Ast's loud sneeze. "Wow, I haven't climbed in here yet!" - The heir proudly stepped over the threshold of a secret door, leading, it seems, either to a small library or to a vault. The young elf's keen mind, as sharp as his ears, found a way to solve the puzzle that opened the secret door (which his keen eye had discovered before, of course) - he held Skeleritas firmly by the shoulders, facing the puzzle, whispering demandingly in Skeleritas' ear: "And we're not going anywhere from here until you open this ... Or I'm going to climb into that old trap we bypassed, and I'm going to scream and call for Mommy, and if the trap doesn't work, I'm going to climb into one of those cages we saw on the way in, break the lock like I'm stuck and can't get out - and I'm going to scream and cry even harder, and when Mommy and Daddy come, I'm going to be scared and pale and shivering, and say you're the one who locked me in here... You know how I can make eyes... Think, Skeleritas, think, every problem always has a logical solution, that's what mom says!" And when the puzzle was conquered - their reward was a small dusty room with a couple of chests and a few racks of books. "Oh, why does he have one eye? Poor dead jerk..." - The kid twirled a one-eyed skull lying on one of the shelves. The shelf quacked and pulled aside, revealing a large two-handed axe. "How am I going to get this? Well how-uh..." Scleritas grinned wryly. "Hmmm, what's that scratched on his forehead here?" - Astarion Jr. rubbed his skull and...
- Go talk to me. I'll do it. Just two. - an ominous ghost, like a cloud of gray mist, crawled out of the skull's eye socket and stared at the boy.
The Little Lord opened his mouth, but Skeleritas interrupted him.
- He's a trickster. A bound spirit, can fulfill two desires and gain freedom. But he'll do anything to make you suffer. Think what you ask, little one, or you may not have to cry and make eyes at your grandfather, asking to be delivered from what you wish for...
- Don't listen to him..." the spirit whispered, "I'll do what I can. Two wishes... Give me my freedom!
The heir thought intensely for a while, frowning and touching his fangs with his tongue (he does that a lot when he's concentrating).
- Take this axe and drive it into the rock so that no one can ever pull it out!
Skeleritas' face showed a look of keen interest as he watched with all eyes to see what would happen next... The spirit granted the wish.
- Done. Next...
- Now PULL IT OUT!
P.S. I will probably be away for a while, if anything, I'll reply later.
After playing BG3 with Ascended Astarion I got so much into the RP, I actually made him my main character in Elden Ring. Funny how much influence a character can have on a gamer. I just really identify with him in addition to liking his personality. He has all the death and blood magic ofcourse in addition to deadly bloodletting daggers, and a bouquet of bloody roses (it's a funny bleed weapon). I think BG3 might have opened the Pandora box of RP for me. I was midly into it before, now I want to RP the Vampire Lord everywhere. While waiting for Patch 7. All the anticipation for that one.
I can understand you very well. I would like the story to continue. It then inspires me to further invent the story or episodes from it and yes, I tend to overdo it. Then one thought jumps to the next and I'm already mentally in the next episode (sorry moderators :)).
I would like to be able to take my companions with me to other games..."Ok, we have a new adventure here". "Ugh... doesn't look very inviting here, darling. I don't want to complain, but a little more decoration would have done this place some good."
Originally Posted by Marielle
Cool, honor mode to go through with two, good tactics using bombs and retreats, looks like it could really be in some fantasy story or DnD!
Like I said, Honor Mode is also forgiving of almost any mistake, even with two people and a dog and with a tactic that had to be improvised. You can also play everything completely alone. I really like playing in a duo with Astarion.
Is it fantasy or DnD, whatever, I have fun that they let me do almost anything.
Originally Posted by Marielle
P.S. I will probably be away for a while, if anything, I'll reply later.
Hope you are well.
Last edited by Sini; 28/06/2412:12 AM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
If I remember correctly, with 6 levels in Shadow Monk you get the shadowstep and can then jump from shadow to shadow. Then 3 or 4 levels in Rogue Assassin and for the rest I would see whether, for example, in Fighter, Druid or whether 6 in Rogue brings an advantage. Played with 2 short swords and later for example Orin's dagger and/or dagger from Cazador ... Yes, that sound great... lol. I could easily imagine it together with a Dark Urge Warlock with Devilssight who fights with Darkness and Astarion sneaks into the surrounding shadows or waits for the opponents in your darkness. So as a very dark shadow couple only played as a duo.
Nice! I need to look into this more because Shadow Monk sounds intriguing for Astarion. So far I've only had him with the hand crossbows and daggers, so watching him fight hand to hand combat style would be a lot of fun for me.^^ And it would be very fitting for AA. Now I need to think way too long about what my Durge should be... She was a cleric last time and I had to do mental gymnastics to explain to myself how that was possible. (In my head, it was all a part of her Father's plan to make her seem as inconspicuous and harmless as possible at first glance. Then no one would suspect a thing...)
Originally Posted by Sini
You can be sure that the name Gortash will never be mentioned in this household again. We better not know what Astarion did to Sceleritas for this prank. Certainly Sceleritas will have enjoyed these deaths, but they have also given him respect for Astarion. He will now accept him also as master, but that doesn't stop him from continuing to play pranks... his brain is already working again.
Astarion and Sceleritas are such a good team together, even if they won't admit it. Lol I think some of the books that Astarion is always reading now have something to do with most creative torture methods and most agonizing ways of killing people.
Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by KiraMira
After playing BG3 with Ascended Astarion I got so much into the RP, I actually made him my main character in Elden Ring. Funny how much influence a character can have on a gamer. I just really identify with him in addition to liking his personality. He has all the death and blood magic ofcourse in addition to deadly bloodletting daggers, and a bouquet of bloody roses (it's a funny bleed weapon). I think BG3 might have opened the Pandora box of RP for me. I was midly into it before, now I want to RP the Vampire Lord everywhere. While waiting for Patch 7. All the anticipation for that one.
I can understand you very well. I would like the story to continue. It then inspires me to further invent the story or episodes from it and yes, I tend to overdo it. Then one thought jumps to the next and I'm already mentally in the next episode (sorry moderators :)). I would like to be able to take my companions with me to other games..."Ok, we have a new adventure here". "Ugh... doesn't look very inviting here, darling. I don't want to complain, but a little more decoration would have done this place some good." smile
That rose bouquet weapon looks like fun. I love that you can create your character to look like anyone, even Astarion. I'm imagining him running around with those weapons.^^ That was a creative way to link the two games together! Agreed, I love some of the BG3 characters so much that I want the story to keep going, even in other universes. I need to find other games where I can plant him and my character into them. Lol @Sini! For sure, I can imagine Astarion with that whiny face as he says that. Or maybe his dignified (but patiently disapproving) Lord Astarion face that I love:
Originally Posted by Marielle
Thanks! For some reason I thought this option sounded like an accusation, I didn't choose it and was puzzled by the fact that there are no caring lines, I thought that since Astarion talks about caring, I should say something caring to him beforehand, and the only show of caring in this scene is helping to trick the spawns (if you can call that caring :)). And this is an extra line that gives more as a result. In the next playthrough, I'll be saving at the beginning of dialogs with Astarion to see more. I've often had moments in the game where it's unclear whether it's an extra cue that will expand the dialog, or a "cue choice" that leads to one finalizing or another.
That's true, it seems a little bit like we're chastising him for his actions or being judgmental when we choose that dialogue. It's so hard to tell sometimes when more dialogue options open up, and sometimes it goes in an unexpected direction.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Yes, yes, now you'll be able to make cute sad eyes in Astarion's direction, "Love, why didn't you watch me?" after you stick your hand where you shouldn't have! smile And I also love the game when my character herself tries to follow Astarion's every move, because I wonder how someone who's always watching you will react to you watching him... smile At the party, I'm always spying on him.
I like that you're spying on him while he's spying on you, lol. Why does the game assume I wouldn't also be keeping an eye on my love? It turns into a challenge: Are you sure, you're really always watching? :p Yes, I imagine my character would probably do something risky to get his attention.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Yes, he then says nice things like you're the only person he really care for, but he also coughs so embarrassed, like he's embarrassed of himself or his own words. He doesn't have the strength or ability to care properly (unlike Ascended). The relationship with UA is some kind of friendship, not love. He's not himself, in chapter 2 before Cazador the relationship was better, Astarion was more playful. I can't play with UA on an emotional level - I feel that he feels bad, he's depressed, he wears a mask of "proper behavior", I feel pained about him and there's nothing I can do about it. And with Astarion after Ascension, it's something "more than just love". It really transcends the ordinary. Maybe that's also why it's so hard to break away from Astarion, and start playing some other game.
I also got that impression that it might be more of a friendship type of connection with spawn Astarion, and more of a carnal passion with Ascendant. It also makes sense to me because although he (as the un-ascended version) begins to work through his trauma after dealing with Cazador, physically he is still the same. Compared to the Ascendant, who gains back the appetites he'd lost. It's melancholy for me too, to think that Spawn-version has to keep his hunger forever and has to give up on his dream. It does seem to me like he's repressing some feelings of regret and inner sadness but hides it.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Dust was everywhere... Dust and silence until it was broken by little Ast's loud sneeze. "Wow, I haven't climbed in here yet!" - The heir proudly stepped over the threshold of a secret door, leading, it seems, either to a small library or to a vault. The young elf's keen mind, as sharp as his ears, found a way to solve the puzzle that opened the secret door (which his keen eye had discovered before, of course) - he held Skeleritas firmly by the shoulders, facing the puzzle, whispering demandingly in Skeleritas' ear: "And we're not going anywhere from here until you open this ... Or I'm going to climb into that old trap we bypassed, and I'm going to scream and call for Mommy, and if the trap doesn't work, I'm going to climb into one of those cages we saw on the way in, break the lock like I'm stuck and can't get out - and I'm going to scream and cry even harder, and when Mommy and Daddy come, I'm going to be scared and pale and shivering, and say you're the one who locked me in here... You know how I can make eyes... Think, Skeleritas, think, every problem always has a logical solution, that's what mom says!" And when the puzzle was conquered - their reward was a small dusty room with a couple of chests and a few racks of books. "Oh, why does he have one eye? Poor dead jerk..." - The kid twirled a one-eyed skull lying on one of the shelves. The shelf quacked and pulled aside, revealing a large two-handed axe. "How am I going to get this? Well how-uh..." Scleritas grinned wryly. "Hmmm, what's that scratched on his forehead here?" - Astarion Jr. rubbed his skull and... - Go talk to me. I'll do it. Just two. - an ominous ghost, like a cloud of gray mist, crawled out of the skull's eye socket and stared at the boy. The Little Lord opened his mouth, but Skeleritas interrupted him. - He's a trickster. A bound spirit, can fulfill two desires and gain freedom. But he'll do anything to make you suffer. Think what you ask, little one, or you may not have to cry and make eyes at your grandfather, asking to be delivered from what you wish for... - Don't listen to him..." the spirit whispered, "I'll do what I can. Two wishes... Give me my freedom! The heir thought intensely for a while, frowning and touching his fangs with his tongue (he does that a lot when he's concentrating). - Take this axe and drive it into the rock so that no one can ever pull it out! Skeleritas' face showed a look of keen interest as he watched with all eyes to see what would happen next... The spirit granted the wish. - Done. Next... - Now PULL IT OUT!
I love the precocious personality you gave him! I think he would be exactly like that with Sceleritas, because he knows how grandpa dotes on him and adores him. And he knows what his parents do to Sceleritas if he displeases them. His habit of touching his tongue with his fangs and frowning... so sweet! You're bringing the little Ast Jr. to life!
Originally Posted by Marielle
P.S. I will probably be away for a while, if anything, I'll reply later.
I hope that all is well and that we will see you soon @Marielle! <33
Nice! I need to look into this more because Shadow Monk sounds intriguing for Astarion. So far I've only had him with the hand crossbows and daggers, so watching him fight hand to hand combat style would be a lot of fun for me.^^ And it would be very fitting for AA. Now I need to think way too long about what my Durge should be... She was a cleric last time and I had to do mental gymnastics to explain to myself how that was possible. (In my head, it was all a part of her Father's plan to make her seem as inconspicuous and harmless as possible at first glance. Then no one would suspect a thing...)
Yes, that would be something that I can imagine very well for him. With Shadow Monk he can jump from one shadow to the next like a vampire and with Rogue he has sneak attack to be a silent killer. I would prefer Assassin Rogue. That would fit Astarion very well. The Dark Urge's cloak would be a good choice for him if necessary. Like I said, for myself I would probably choose a Warlock who works with darkness. Conjure the area, with Devilssight you can stand in the area and attack from it, you are not visible to opponents and Astarion can kill them all silently from the shadows.
They're certainly not the strongest builds, but they're certainly extremely stylish together. With a full group, I would choose builds that are equally "sneaky".
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Astarion and Sceleritas are such a good team together, even if they won't admit it. Lol I think some of the books that Astarion is always reading now have something to do with most creative torture methods and most agonizing ways of killing people.
I think that Sceleritas is now a little more cautious. Even though he told the Dark Urge about the wonderful ways in which Astarion killed him and admired his creativity in choosing the objects that served him as weapons. He wouldn't have believed Astarion could kill so wonderfully and make every pain last as long as possible. Astarion himself is silent about that night.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
That rose bouquet weapon looks like fun. I love that you can create your character to look like anyone, even Astarion. I'm imagining him running around with those weapons.^^ That was a creative way to link the two games together! Agreed, I love some of the BG3 characters so much that I want the story to keep going, even in other universes. I need to find other games where I can plant him and my character into them. Lol @Sini! For sure, I can imagine Astarion with that whiny face as he says that. Or maybe his dignified (but patiently disapproving) Lord Astarion face that I love:
Yes, this is one of his possible expressions. "Just be careful darling, I tried so hard to do your nails and mine. Do we always have to end up somewhere where it's so dirty and uncivilized? Can't we just land somewhere nice? I don't expect a welcoming committee with drinks at all, although we would undoubtedly be entitled to something like that. I would assume it's your fault, because with you, death lurks around every corner anyway."
Originally Posted by Marielle
Dust was everywhere... Dust and silence until it was broken by little Ast's loud sneeze. "Wow, I haven't climbed in here yet!" - The heir proudly stepped over the threshold of a secret door, leading, it seems, either to a small library or to a vault. The young elf's keen mind, as sharp as his ears, found a way to solve the puzzle that opened the secret door (which his keen eye had discovered before, of course) - he held Skeleritas firmly by the shoulders, facing the puzzle, whispering demandingly in Skeleritas' ear: "And we're not going anywhere from here until you open this ... Or I'm going to climb into that old trap we bypassed, and I'm going to scream and call for Mommy, and if the trap doesn't work, I'm going to climb into one of those cages we saw on the way in, break the lock like I'm stuck and can't get out - and I'm going to scream and cry even harder, and when Mommy and Daddy come, I'm going to be scared and pale and shivering, and say you're the one who locked me in here... You know how I can make eyes... Think, Skeleritas, think, every problem always has a logical solution, that's what mom says!" And when the puzzle was conquered - their reward was a small dusty room with a couple of chests and a few racks of books. "Oh, why does he have one eye? Poor dead jerk..." - The kid twirled a one-eyed skull lying on one of the shelves. The shelf quacked and pulled aside, revealing a large two-handed axe. "How am I going to get this? Well how-uh..." Scleritas grinned wryly. "Hmmm, what's that scratched on his forehead here?" - Astarion Jr. rubbed his skull and... - Go talk to me. I'll do it. Just two. - an ominous ghost, like a cloud of gray mist, crawled out of the skull's eye socket and stared at the boy. The Little Lord opened his mouth, but Skeleritas interrupted him. - He's a trickster. A bound spirit, can fulfill two desires and gain freedom. But he'll do anything to make you suffer. Think what you ask, little one, or you may not have to cry and make eyes at your grandfather, asking to be delivered from what you wish for... - Don't listen to him..." the spirit whispered, "I'll do what I can. Two wishes... Give me my freedom! The heir thought intensely for a while, frowning and touching his fangs with his tongue (he does that a lot when he's concentrating). - Take this axe and drive it into the rock so that no one can ever pull it out! Skeleritas' face showed a look of keen interest as he watched with all eyes to see what would happen next... The spirit granted the wish. - Done. Next... - Now PULL IT OUT!
What a clever little evil guy he is.
The whole family is proud of him. Sceleritas often tells him about Orin when he puts him to bed and describes to him exactly how his mom killed Orin and how he didn't like Orin at all.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
After playing BG3 with Ascended Astarion I got so much into the RP, I actually made him my main character in Elden Ring. (...) He has all the death and blood magic ofcourse in addition to deadly bloodletting daggers, and a bouquet of bloody roses (it's a funny bleed weapon).
I can understand you very well. I would like the story to continue. It then inspires me to further invent the story or episodes from it and yes, I tend to overdo it. Then one thought jumps to the next and I'm already mentally in the next episode (sorry moderators :)). I would like to be able to take my companions with me to other games..."Ok, we have a new adventure here". "Ugh... doesn't look very inviting here, darling. I don't want to complain, but a little more decoration would have done this place some good." smile
Haha, it is fun to expand the story. And interesting characters like Astarion is just so fun to try and incooperate into other games. He is a good starting point for any creation and it sets a clear limitation on things to use so it's more of a challenge, which I like a lot to do in games. Especially Soulsborne games.
I did see you play a lot of honor mode, have you completed it? I have only done tactictian myself.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
That rose bouquet weapon looks like fun. I love that you can create your character to look like anyone, even Astarion. I'm imagining him running around with those weapons.^^ That was a creative way to link the two games together! Agreed, I love some of the BG3 characters so much that I want the story to keep going, even in other universes. I need to find other games where I can plant him and my character into them.
The bouquet is so much fun to stab with, lol, it looks so funny. "Here take my damn flowers, why don't you!" Astarion is a charmer so I think it fits him perfectly, hehe. Only thing I wish was that the Elden Ring character creation was better, he does not look as good as he does in BG3, he does have abs for days though.
Haha, it is fun to expand the story. And interesting characters like Astarion is just so fun to try and incooperate into other games. He is a good starting point for any creation and it sets a clear limitation on things to use so it's more of a challenge, which I like a lot to do in games. Especially Soulsborne games.
I did see you play a lot of honor mode, have you completed it? I have only done tactictian myself.
Astarion offers so many opportunities to tell stories because his personality is often so unique that you immediately recognize that he is being referred to. And it's fun to think about his world of thoughts. How would he react now, what would he say.
I completed Honor Mode twice solo and once in multiplayer. But I always play the entire story, don't leave anything out and get myself into bad situations with bad ideas . I lost Honor Mode 3 or 4 times, once against Myrkul, once against Death Shepherds, once against Bernard. I've no problem with losing a Honor Mode, I start a new game and I will come back to do it better.
Death Shepards ... keep an eye on this fight near the monastery act1. They resurrect fallen enemies. Both shepards have to die in the same turn or be controlled. I've often read that these end Honor Mode.
Or I startet a new Game because Scratch die or my Owlbearcup runs away. That spoils my fun if I don't have the two of them in camp.
Last edited by Sini; 28/06/2404:30 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
I did see you play a lot of honor mode, have you completed it? I have only done tactictian myself.
I completed Honor Mode twice solo and once in multiplayer. But I always play the entire story, don't leave anything out and get myself into bad situations with bad ideas . I lost Honor Mode 3 or 4 times, once against Myrkul, once against Death Shepherds, once against Bernard. I've no problem with losing a Honor Mode, I start a new game and I will come back to do it better.
Death Shepards ... keep an eye on this fight near the monastery act1. They resurrect fallen enemies. Both shepards have to die in the same turn or be controlled. I've often read that these end Honor Mode.
Or I startet a new Game because Scratch die or my Owlbearcup runs away. That spoils my fun if I don't have the two of them in camp.
I love how relaxed you are about Honor mode. I will try to be the same and try it next time. The shepards are really horrible. First time I did them, after many deaths and reloads I said f*ck it and initiated Gales bomb (not knowing it would result in a game over, heh), well it killed them and my entire party..
I did see you play a lot of honor mode, have you completed it? I have only done tactictian myself.
I completed Honor Mode twice solo and once in multiplayer. But I always play the entire story, don't leave anything out and get myself into bad situations with bad ideas . I lost Honor Mode 3 or 4 times, once against Myrkul, once against Death Shepherds, once against Bernard. I've no problem with losing a Honor Mode, I start a new game and I will come back to do it better.
Death Shepards ... keep an eye on this fight near the monastery act1. They resurrect fallen enemies. Both shepards have to die in the same turn or be controlled. I've often read that these end Honor Mode.
Or I startet a new Game because Scratch die or my Owlbearcup runs away. That spoils my fun if I don't have the two of them in camp.
I love how relaxed you are about Honor mode. I will try to be the same and try it next time. The shepards are really horrible. First time I did them, after many deaths and reloads I said f*ck it and initiated Gales bomb (not knowing it would result in a game over, heh), well it killed them and my entire party..
I love the way you think, darling. Dead is dead and if I have to die for it myself and everything within a radius of at least 1 mile. For me it's so much fun, but I never think about being careful, then I have to solve the problem somehow creatively. I hope you have also as much fun.
That's probably what Astarion always thinks, when he is on adventures with me.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
The bouquet is so much fun to stab with, lol, it looks so funny. "Here take my damn flowers, why don't you!" Astarion is a charmer so I think it fits him perfectly, hehe. Only thing I wish was that the Elden Ring character creation was better, he does not look as good as he does in BG3, he does have abs for days though.
That's too funny! Such a classy, deadly gentleman. Much too stylish to kill you with any ordinary weapon. His face is probably hard to duplicate, but at least the abs sound right. :p
Originally Posted by Sini
Yes, that would be something that I can imagine very well for him. With Shadow Monk he can jump from one shadow to the next like a vampire and with Rogue he has sneak attack to be a silent killer. I would prefer Assassin Rogue. That would fit Astarion very well. The Dark Urge's cloak would be a good choice for him if necessary. Like I said, for myself I would probably choose a Warlock who works with darkness. Conjure the area, with Devilssight you can stand in the area and attack from it, you are not visible to opponents and Astarion can kill them all silently from the shadows. They're certainly not the strongest builds, but they're certainly extremely stylish together. With a full group, I would choose builds that are equally "sneaky".
I think Assassin Rogue and Dark Warlock sounds like a very AA + Durge ish combo. I love it, Devil's Sight would work so well here. The two of you will look cool together while the enemies just start dropping like flies in the darkness. >:) "And together, we are unstoppable."
So far I've always had Astarion use the Invisibility cloak permanently, but it would be nice to finally play as a stealthy character and let her use it for once. No more letting him steal it off my Durge! Well, maybe... Can't wait to see him jumping through the shadows and pulling some martial arts moves for a change. Never tried the monk class at all before, so it will be nice to try something new. I could let him be more center stage in battle this way while I pick enemies off from the sidelines. I might be setting my sights on a stealth Archer build for next time. Though I'm sure if it's just him and my Urge in battle, I'll have to get used to dying a lot... lol.
Originally Posted by Sini
Yes, this is one of his possible expressions. "Just be careful darling, I tried so hard to do your nails and mine. Do we always have to end up somewhere where it's so dirty and uncivilized? Can't we just land somewhere nice? I don't expect a welcoming committee with drinks at all, although we would undoubtedly be entitled to something like that. I would assume it's your fault, because with you, death lurks around every corner anyway."
He's so worried about your nails again But I think he's glad to get a vacation from the butler. I love how he still follows you everywhere and stands by you, even though he's also blaming you and complaining the whole time.^^ True love.
Originally Posted by Sini
That's probably what Astarion always thinks, when he is on adventures with me.
^Their relationship in a nutshell, lol! (A.k.a., the REAL reason he wants to sequester you in a deep chamber of his palace.) He really worries for you and I love him for that. Did you stick your hand in again a second time btw? Something interesting happens + more Astarion <3
So far I've always had Astarion use the Invisibility cloak permanently, but it would be nice to finally play as a stealthy character and let her use it for once. No more letting him steal it off my Durge! Well, maybe... Can't wait to see him jumping through the shadows and pulling some martial arts moves for a change. Never tried the monk class at all before, so it will be nice to try something new. I could let him be more center stage in battle this way while I pick enemies off from the sidelines. I might be setting my sights on a stealth Archer build for next time. Though I'm sure if it's just him and my Urge in battle, I'll have to get used to dying a lot... lol.
Well, then he should take his fingers out of your clothing box and look for something himself. I always have him look in Arron's and Damon's pockets first.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
He's so worried about your nails again But I think he's glad to get a vacation from the butler. I love how he still follows you everywhere and stands by you, even though he's also blaming you and complaining the whole time.^^ True love.
He made my nails his job. Sceleritas is no longer allowed to touch them. He's allowed to cut the Slayer's claws, but beware he has a nail file. The last time he tryed, he had to pull the nail file out of his hand and table top. He's always complaining about something. I saw he secretly sends Sceleritas postcards. What would he like to write to him?
Originally Posted by Celesti4
^Their relationship in a nutshell, lol! (A.k.a., the REAL reason he wants to sequester you in a deep chamber of his palace.) He really worries for you and I love him for that. Did you stick your hand in again a second time btw? Something interesting happens + more Astarion <3
He shouldn't believe too strongly that I would be safe from myself there. ^^ I see him explaining to me why it's safer this way and I accidentally set the tapestry on fire and the fire just spread to the mattress. *I cast ignite*. I think he always forgets that my brain had a little accident, but Sceleritas still thinks I'm very smart. lol
Of course I put my hand in there again straight away. If it's a trap, then I'll ignore it
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
He made my nails his job. Sceleritas is no longer allowed to touch them. He's allowed to cut the Slayer's claws, but beware he has a nail file. The last time he tryed, he had to pull the nail file out of his hand and table top. He's always complaining about something. I saw he secretly sends Sceleritas postcards. What would he like to write to him?
The poor guy may have been preparing to do a deluxe manicure for the Slayer, like he's used to doing for Durge.
One of Astarion's postcards to Sceleritas:
My dear Butler-in-law,
I trust that you are taking care of everything at the palace while we are away. By now, I expect you've found a way to free yourself from the sack on the rooftop where I last left you. I hope that has taught you not to leave your bug-crumbs on my pillow. You know, I am feeling very emotional at the thought of not having you near... A great feeling of joy and relief, you understand. Though I'm sure you have been missing us terribly, I can't say I've had the chance to miss you. There are all manner of creatures here with dirty odious faces that remind me of you. Although I must say, it is making me feel quite a bit more at home.
(Postcard has a picture of a decrepit graveyard with the words "Wish you were here")
Imagine Astarion's surprise when the butler shows up right behind him shortly after. "You called for me, milord?"
Originally Posted by Sini
He shouldn't believe too strongly that I would be safe from myself there. ^^ I see him explaining to me why it's safer this way and I accidentally set the tapestry on fire and the fire just spread to the mattress. *I cast ignite*. I think he always forgets that my brain had a little accident, but Sceleritas still thinks I'm very smart. lol Of course I put my hand in there again straight away. If it's a trap, then I'll ignore it
He is the best. He's the only person showing any concern for my character when I do that and indicating that he would have gotten involved to help her. The exasperated "Not again" is so funny because it shows Astarion's patience for all of our unwise decisions. He knows exactly what he's getting into when he's with you and he knows you're probably always going to be that way. And still, he couldn't be happier to be with you anyway. (Also love the "Let's keep our hands to ourselves now, hm?" And he gives you a genuine smile, like he thinks what you did was cute.) In Sceleritas' eyes you'll always be perfect. Lol, Astarion will try his best, but I don't think anything will really keep Durge safe from herself. That's why he needs to always watch you.^^; And that's why I think they're a perfect match.
I trust that you are taking care of everything at the palace while we are away. By now, I expect you've found a way to free yourself from the sack on the rooftop where I last left you. I hope that has taught you not to leave your bug-crumbs on my pillow. You know, I am feeling very emotional at the thought of not having you near... A great feeling of joy and relief, you understand. Though I'm sure you have been missing us terribly, I can't say I've had the chance to miss you. There are all manner of creatures here with dirty odious faces that remind me of you. Although I must say, it is making me feel quite a bit more at home.
(Postcard has a picture of a decrepit graveyard with the words "Wish you were here")
Imagine Astarion's surprise when the butler shows up right behind him shortly after. "You called for me, milord?"
Lol Darling, I love that. [Edit: It's been a few hours now and I'm still laughing at the idea. Thank you. ]
It's better to put Sceleritas in a sack in the attic than he secretly hide in your luggage.
While he reads the postcard, he is in the process of reducing Astarion's clothing by two sizes. "If you think it's a good idea to let tiny Sceleritas stay home alone, I'll convince you otherwise. You are so wrong about this. What did you say Master, you would like garlic in your pillow, lots of it? Your desire is my pleasure."
Originally Posted by Celesti4
He is the best. He's the only person showing any concern for my character when I do that and indicating that he would have gotten involved to help her. The exasperated "Not again" is so funny because it shows Astarion's patience for all of our unwise decisions. He knows exactly what he's getting into when he's with you and he knows you're probably always going to be that way. And still, he couldn't be happier to be with you anyway. (Also love the "Let's keep our hands to ourselves now, hm?" And he gives you a genuine smile, like he thinks what you did was cute.) In Sceleritas' eyes you'll always be perfect. Lol, Astarion will try his best, but I don't think anything will really keep Durge safe from herself. That's why he needs to always watch you.^^; And that's why I think they're a perfect match.
I think they have to look out for each other. I love it when he drinks me dry and then I can constantly accuse him of killing me. Of course it just happened to me by accident that the monastery collapsed on top of him "But there is no evidence of that! There are evidence? It was an accident!"
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Lol Darling, I love that. [Edit: It's been a few hours now and I'm still laughing at the idea. Thank you. ]
It's better to put Sceleritas in a sack in the attic than he secretly hide in your luggage.
While he reads the postcard, he is in the process of reducing Astarion's clothing by two sizes. "If you think it's a good idea to let tiny Sceleritas stay home alone, I'll convince you otherwise. You are so wrong about this. What did you say Master, you would like garlic in your pillow, lots of it? Your desire is my pleasure."
Lol, I could see him trying to smuggle himself in their luggage. But he forgets he's not as small and light as he thinks he is. You and I are thinking alike - I also imagined him rummaging through Astarion's closet.
Bonus postcard message from Astarion to Sceleritas: Oh, and do be sure to stay out of my wardrobes this time, you loathsome little pest. If I detect even a hint of a sulfurous odor on them when I return, I will personally turn you into a scarf and keep you there in my permanent collection.
Originally Posted by Sini
I think they have to look out for each other. I love it when he drinks me dry and then I can constantly accuse him of killing me. Of course it just happened to me by accident that the monastery collapsed on top of him "But there is no evidence of that! There are evidence? It was an accident!"
I'm one of the few who hasn't seen that scene yet. His reaction is priceless. Also, Eden's innocent-looking face the whole time has me rofl. And then she says she still wants to talk to him about something? But then just walks away. That really must have annoyed him... Lol!
Lol, I could see him trying to smuggle himself in their luggage. But he forgets he's not as small and light as he thinks he is. You and I are thinking alike - I also imagined him rummaging through Astarion's closet.
Bonus postcard message from Astarion to Sceleritas: Oh, and do be sure to stay out of my wardrobes this time, you loathsome little pest. If I detect even a hint of a sulfurous odor on them when I return, I will personally turn you into a scarf and keep you there in my permanent collection.
There is a saying in German, that should go something like “Two stupid people, one thought†in English.
Well, the postcard must have been lost...what a shame. *Sceleritas unravels a few seams* "Next I'll manipulate the bathroom scales. The stupid master should think that he's gained weight, the blood there is probably particularly rich."
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I'm one of the few who hasn't seen that scene yet. His reaction is priceless. Also, Eden's innocent-looking face the whole time has me rofl. And then she says she still wants to talk to him about something? But then just walks away. That really must have annoyed him... Lol!
Yes, she has more questions for him. It's from one of my older playthoughts, now I've also switched to English. I still feel like I'm being treated unfairly! It's not my fault that the monastery is just falling apart like that. He didn't stop me from taking the glittering weapon! He said *imitates Astarion's voice* "Don't break your pretty head, there's definitely an exit here." pfff
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
I'm one of the few who hasn't seen that scene yet. His reaction is priceless. Also, Eden's innocent-looking face the whole time has me rofl. And then she says she still wants to talk to him about something? But then just walks away. That really must have annoyed him... Lol!
Yes, she has more questions for him. It's from one of my older playthoughts, now I've also switched to English. I still feel like I'm being treated unfairly! It's not my fault that the monastery is just falling apart like that. He didn't stop me from taking the glittering weapon! He said *imitates Astarion's voice* "Don't break your pretty head, there's definitely an exit here." pfff
Yes, and so really, it's his fault. Deep inside himself, I think maybe he prefers that he died instead of you. He was upset but not nearly as upset as I thought he would be. If we had been crushed to death instead of him, then I'm not sure if he would have been able to function anymore, until he remembers Withers and then yells at him to bring you back (or so I tell myself) – in that case maybe he would have been even more angry at you.^^
Originally Posted by Sini
Well, the postcard must have been lost...what a shame. *Sceleritas unravels a few seams* "Next I'll manipulate the bathroom scales. The stupid master should think that he's gained weight, the blood there is probably particularly rich."
The shrunken clothes + manipulated bathroom scale would make for a very panicked Astarion. And it would make him forget all about punishing Sceleritas. Two birds with one stone... Bat-Astarion will start frantically flying laps around the palace to try getting in shape again.^^'
Originally Posted by Sini
There is a saying in German, that should go something like “Two stupid people, one thought†in English.
2 plus 2 brain cells is enough sometimes.
During the epilogue party,
Shadowheart told my Dark Urge she looks like she gained weight. I chose the "Are you calling me chubby?" I thought it was funny, because it means she's being spoiled with all the good food she wants to eat at home, and Astarion doesn't seem to mind her little weight gain at all. Jaheira says Durge looks like she wants to start a family. Scratch says she smells slightly different. I left Sarevok alive (only knocked him out), so he sent me a letter. In the letter, he foreshadows children for Dark Urge, too. Putting all of these little clues together, in my mind, my Dark Urge might be keeping a little secret from everyone. I know Shadowheart, Jaheira, and Scratch probably say that to everyone, but this all fits so nicely to my headcanon.
Letter from Sarevok:
(As a redeemed Urge, I left Sarevok alive and only knocked him unconscious)
Yes, and so really, it's his fault. Deep inside himself, I think maybe he prefers that he died instead of you. He was upset but not nearly as upset as I thought he would be. If we had been crushed to death instead of him, then I'm not sure if he would have been able to function anymore, until he remembers Withers and then yells at him to bring you back (or so I tell myself) – in that case maybe he would have been even more angry at you.^^
I didn't leave him, we die when we die together... even if it was his fault. Kressa Bonedauther has taken me apart and put me back together and resuscitated me so many times that it's no longer noticeable. I was in pain too, am I whining? Astarion is hypersensitive. I think that's why Eden looks at him like that, she's innocent and has a slight headache.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
The shrunken clothes + manipulated bathroom scale would make for a very panicked Astarion. And it would make him forget all about punishing Sceleritas. Two birds with one stone... Bat-Astarion will start frantically flying laps around the palace to try getting in shape again.^^'
lol, I imagine this tiny bat fluttering like a hummingbird.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
During the epilogue party,
Shadowheart told my Dark Urge she looks like she gained weight. I chose the "Are you calling me chubby?" I thought it was funny, because it means she's being spoiled with all the good food she wants to eat at home, and Astarion doesn't seem to mind her little weight gain at all. Jaheira says Durge looks like she wants to start a family. Scratch says she smells slightly different. I left Sarevok alive (only knocked him out), so he sent me a letter. In the letter, he foreshadows children for Dark Urge, too. Putting all of these little clues together, in my mind, my Dark Urge might be keeping a little secret from everyone. I know Shadowheart, Jaheira, and Scratch probably say that to everyone, but this all fits so nicely to my headcanon.
Letter from Sarevok:
(As a redeemed Urge, I left Sarevok alive and only knocked him unconscious)
OMG,you can't be left alone for six months, but the planned centuries have passed very quickly. Then you don't have to go into Slayer form to go running with Astarion to lose weight. Then I'll mod your underwear a little bigger and more practical and use slightly thicker elastic bands. lol
Edit:
I finally get my first "easy" Mod. I'm now trying to make it a little more transparent overall and add maybe a necklace. I have adjusted the color channels and the ColorMASK, so that it is properly colorable in the right way. But I still have a small clipping problem i have to fix. Thanks to Celesti for the text in the underwear. Looks great with Gothic Dyes (the black-turquoise is my colorsetting). When I'm ready, next stop, Astarion's underwear.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
I didn't leave him, we die when we die together... even if it was his fault. Kressa Bonedauther has taken me apart and put me back together and resuscitated me so many times that it's no longer noticeable. I was in pain too, am I whining? Astarion is hypersensitive. I think that's why Eden looks at him like that, she's innocent and has a slight headache.
I thought she looked cute! I think that's why he can't really be mad. He's more just being dramatic and maybe wants a little attention and sympathy from you. :p (And remember he says "I forbid you from dying")
His real angry face is like this one, during the hand-mirror scene:
I don't remember him looking like that very often in the game!
Speaking of Kressa, I really wish they had added companion reactions after talking to her and finding out what she did. I would have loved to hear Astarion's comments about those revelations. Or getting into revenge/protection mode for you right before the fight.
Originally Posted by Sini
lol, I imagine this tiny bat fluttering like a hummingbird.
Aw the poor thing, working so hard.^^
Originally Posted by Sini
OMG,you can't be left alone for six months, but the planned centuries have passed very quickly. Then you don't have to go into Slayer form to go running with Astarion to lose weight. Then I'll mod your underwear a little bigger and more practical and use slightly thicker elastic bands. lol
I love it, the Slayer running and the little bat flying right beside her (not realizing how tiny he looks next to her) ^^
Maternity line
Originally Posted by Sini
Edit:
I finally get my first "easy" Mod. I'm now trying to make it a little more transparent overall and add maybe a necklace. I have adjusted the color channels and the ColorMASK, so that it is properly colorable in the right way. But I still have a small clipping problem i have to fix. Thanks to Celesti for the text in the underwear. Looks great with Gothic Dyes (the black-turquoise is my colorsetting). When I'm ready, next stop, Astarion's underwear.
I'm very excited for these and everything else you're working on! <3 You are so creative! The fact that you can add the text/description inside is the cherry on top! (Astarion approves)
I thought she looked cute! I think that's why he can't really be mad. He's more just being dramatic and maybe wants a little attention and sympathy from you. :p (And remember he says "I forbid you from dying")
His real angry face is like this one, during the hand-mirror scene:
I don't remember him looking like that very often in the game!
It's hard to really piss him off. It's usually his "I complain for 2 seconds and then everything goes back to normal" moments. To anger him you have to work hard against his interests. I think he usually finds it very charming when you tease him.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Speaking of Kressa, I really wish they had added companion reactions after talking to her and finding out what she did. I would have loved to hear Astarion's comments about those revelations. Or getting into revenge/protection mode for you right before the fight.
Yeah, ok... but I think what she did was something for the Dark Urge before the accident to warm up to after breakfast.
Of course you kill her, but yes, your companions seem a little naive anyway if they still believe that you are a normal traveler. However,
if you don't have the Slayer, it should be clear to any of the companions after Kethric's speech in Moonrise Tower that you must be someone very powerful. At the capsule next to Mizora's capsule, you can ask Astarion if it is your blood in the capsule. And yes, he would recognize your blood all over the bouquet. This must be the capsule where Kressa "stored" you.
Originally Posted by celesti4
I'm very excited for these and everything else you're working on! <3 You are so creative! The fact that you can add the text/description inside is the cherry on top! (Astarion approves)
Thank you darling, I will give my best, you know, the coding part ... I hate it.If I can do this more safely, then we can dominate the world until the sun itself melts. We can add text inside every armorpart.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Yeah, ok... but I think what she did was something for the Dark Urge before the accident to warm up to after breakfast. Of course you kill her, but yes, your companions seem a little naive anyway if they still believe that you are a normal traveler.
Well your party members definitely don't want her to kill you and take you away again (not that she could take you at this point). But that was a pretty big plot point for the Dark Urge specific story, and I would have liked to hear the companions' thoughts about what was revealed - even if it would just be a sentence or two that they say to you when you click on them. Some elements of the redeemed Urge ending scene also feel lacking to me:
Before Withers comes to resurrect you, and you are lying there lifeless, your companions don't say anything about your death - not even your romantic partner.:/ It kind of felt like a punch to the gut when the narrator said the temple was totally silent; no crying, no exclamations? No one rushes to your side in grief? Hmm, alright then. And then after Withers resurrects you, what you get from Ast is: "Well that was all very twee." At least you do get the nice dialogue with him if you say you want your whole life to be with him now that you're free. Not to be greedy, but it would still have been nice to hear your romance partner say something like, "I thought I had lost you forever. I never want to see something like that happen to you again." etc. And for them to be beside you when you're lying there.
Originally Posted by Sini
However,
if you don't have the Slayer, it should be clear to any of the companions after Kethric's speech in Moonrise Tower that you must be someone very powerful. At the capsule next to Mizora's capsule, you can ask Astarion if it is your blood in the capsule. And yes, he would recognize your blood all over the bouquet. This must be the capsule where Kressa "stored" you.
Even stale, it's still a bouquet to him.^^ I'm happy that scene exists. (And the sound he makes after smelling it lmao) Yeah when I first saw that, I was very impressed with my Urge, that she would have had the physical strength to forcibly break out of there.
Originally Posted by Sini
Thank you darling, I will give my best, you know, the coding part ... I hate it.If I can do this more safely, then we can dominate the world until the sun itself melts. We can add text inside every armorpart.
"Oh my love, I love the way you think." It will turn out amazing! Take your time darling!
Well your party members definitely don't want her to kill you and take you away again (not that she could take you at this point). But that was a pretty big plot point for the Dark Urge specific story, and I would have liked to hear the companions' thoughts about what was revealed - even if it would just be a sentence or two that they say to you when you click on them. Some elements of the redeemed Urge ending scene also feel lacking to me:
Before Withers comes to resurrect you, and you are lying there lifeless, your companions don't say anything about your death - not even your romantic partner.:/ It kind of felt like a punch to the gut when the narrator said the temple was totally silent; no crying, no exclamations? No one rushes to your side in grief? Hmm, alright then. And then after Withers resurrects you, what you get from Ast is: "Well that was all very twee." At least you do get the nice dialogue with him if you say you want your whole life to be with him now that you're free. Not to be greedy, but it would still have been nice to hear your romance partner say something like, "I thought I had lost you forever. I never want to see something like that happen to you again." etc. And for them to be beside you when you're lying there.
I thought something like that too,
they all tend to take a step back when Withers suddenly shows up in the Bhaal Temple, even though he's been in our camp for a long time. Withers? Never heard? Who is that?
And then you lie there so peacefully on the floor, enjoying your own death but that someone cares about you? No. Your companions only become active when they want something from you. ^^ And then you've just been revived, sitting on the floor breathing heavily and still no one cares about you. Astarion tells me I'm not a monster and Lae'zel tells me I did a good job.
Won't anyone come and bring me a cup of hot chocolate? A hug? But I should always be nice and kill everything and everyone. pffffft Just wait until we get to the brain and I'll take it over anyway. I took note of your behavior.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Even stale, it's still a bouquet to him.^^ I'm happy that scene exists. (And the sound he makes after smelling it lmao) Yeah when I first saw that, I was very impressed with my Urge, that she would have had the physical strength to forcibly break out of there.
The Dark Urge's will to survive must be very strong, well, you smashed the glass of the capsule with your head, if I remember correctly. Your will is so strong that you lie on the operating table, your body open, trying to strangle Kressa with your own intestines.
I like doing Moonrise Tower as a Dark Urge. But I like Act 2 in general, for example when the Shadar Kai calls me a sadist and wants to take me to his death. Yes, why is he letting me do the interrogation? I don't think I'll die there. ^^ Act 2 as a bard is terrific, everyone will be talked to death. I love the House of Healing. First of all, fake illnesses. First I persuade the nurses to practice on each other with the scalpel and the surgeon should show me what to do on myself... great.
When Steelclaw tells you how mean you were the first time you were in the Moonrise Towers.
And there are the gnolls, who of course I always save, even if the relationship between the Dark Urge and gnolls is pretty disgusting.
I think Act 2 is made for the Dark Urge.
For Astarion, Act 2 with the Dark Urge must be great entertainment.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
they all tend to take a step back when Withers suddenly shows up in the Bhaal Temple, even though he's been in our camp for a long time. Withers? Never heard? Who is that? And then you lie there so peacefully on the floor, enjoying your own death but that someone cares about you? No. Your companions only become active when they want something from you. ^^ And then you've just been revived, sitting on the floor breathing heavily and still no one cares about you. Astarion tells me I'm not a monster and Lae'zel tells me I did a good job.
Won't anyone come and bring me a cup of hot chocolate? A hug? But I should always be nice and kill everything and everyone. pffffft Just wait until we get to the brain and I'll take it over anyway. I took note of your behavior.
Right? Not even a hug? And here I am, working so hard to finish all of their personal quests. I would definitely make a mental note of all their apathy. And that really is a bit weird how they react to
Withers.
I'm imagining them all just standing there awkwardly and putting their hands up like they don't know what to do. I felt like that too, that we basically just get the "Good job, buddy!" from everyone.
Originally Posted by Sini
The Dark Urge's will to survive must be very strong, well, you smashed the glass of the capsule with your head, if I remember correctly. Your will is so strong that you lie on the operating table, your body open, trying to strangle Kressa with your own intestines.
I like doing Moonrise Tower as a Dark Urge. But I like Act 2 in general, for example when the Shadar Kai calls me a sadist and wants to take me to his death. Yes, why is he letting me do the interrogation? I don't think I'll die there. ^^ Act 2 as a bard is terrific, everyone will be talked to death. I love the House of Healing. First of all, fake illnesses. First I persuade the nurses to practice on each other with the scalpel and the surgeon should show me what to do on myself... great.
When Steelclaw tells you how mean you were the first time you were in the Moonrise Towers.
And there are the gnolls, who of course I always save, even if the relationship between the Dark Urge and gnolls is pretty disgusting.
I think Act 2 is made for the Dark Urge.
Looks like there are still some things I missed! I didn't know that about Steelclaw, and not sure if I know about Durge's relationship to gnolls?, barring that one scene in Act 1. House of Healing was fun, though. I need to try the faking being sick. I just feel bad for that poor guy on the operating table and what happens to him.
Originally Posted by Sini
For Astarion, Act 2 with the Dark Urge must be great entertainment.
Yes,
that might be why he seems to be in a good mood throughout most of Act 2 from what I remember. He got to watch my Dark Urge execute the goblins in a pretty cool way which she hadn't done before. He doesn't even get mad when you stupidly stick your hand in the wall a couple of times. I also liked his comments when looking at the paintings in Ketheric's Mausoleum.^^
Looks like there are still some things I missed! I didn't know that about Steelclaw, and not sure if I know about Durge's relationship to gnolls?, barring that one scene in Act 1. House of Healing was fun, though. I need to try the faking being sick. I just feel bad for that poor guy on the operating table and what happens to him.
I think you'll meet Steelclaw if you take the door out of the kitchen and walk around a bit. If you like cats, try not to think about how you know the cat.
In Act 1 you admire the miracle of birth among the Gnolls, in Act 2 you notice what "tough guys" the Gnolls are there, and they also call you "Master". There are suggestions that the Dark Urge also fathered gnolls. There is also an evil ending, which luckily didn't make it into the game, if you cheat on Bhaal and then you're just left to produce Bhaalspawns and mate with every creature. So it's a rather disturbing relationship.
The idea of ​​Sceleritas with a baby carrier around his chest in which he has to carry Astarion Jun. is much funnier. Shopping with the Dark Urge and Astarion is so boring. This is probably his punishment for sewing Astarion's clothes tighter. Sceleritas tries out the latest hat fashion and every hat he puts on makes him and Astarion Jun. giggle more. They both laugh out loud at the “pillowcase†model. Astarion glares at him and they try to control themselves. Astarion returns to choosing fabrics. Sceleritas imitates Astarion. What could you do while you have to wait here?
Last edited by Sini; 08/07/2412:21 AM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
This is great and look at how Astarion likes this. ^^
Thank you! That's another one I'll note down for next time. I never really messed around with them too much, just saw "Gnolls?" and killed them without thinking.
Originally Posted by Sini
In Act 1 you admire the miracle of birth among the Gnolls, in Act 2 you notice what "tough guys" the Gnolls are there, and they also call you "Master". There are suggestions that the Dark Urge also fathered gnolls. There is also an evil ending, which luckily didn't make it into the game, if you cheat on Bhaal and then you're just left to produce Bhaalspawns and mate with every creature. So it's a rather disturbing relationship.
Uugh. I wish I could un-know that. Dark Urge has some bad endings, but I'm glad that one didn't make it in. I can understand shock factor to some extent, but that... idk... Just doesn't sit right.
Originally Posted by Sini
The idea of Sceleritas with a baby carrier around his chest in which he has to carry Astarion Jun. is much funnier. Shopping with the Dark Urge and Astarion is so boring. This is probably his punishment for sewing Astarion's clothes tighter. Sceleritas tries out the latest hat fashion and every hat he puts on makes him and Astarion Jun. giggle more. They both laugh out loud at the “pillowcase†model. Astarion glares at him and they try to control themselves. Astarion returns to choosing fabrics. Sceleritas imitates Astarion. What could you do while you have to wait here?
I'm imagining Sceleritas and Jr. having hours of adventures (which Astarion has no idea about while he's preoccupied with his very important Vampire Lord activities). Sceleritas has to act something like Jr.'s guardian angel to make sure the curious little thing doesn't get hurt. The baby sees a tressym flying outside the window, automatically transforms into his tiny bat form and slips out of his baby carrier to fly after it. Sceleritas panics and runs after him, always there to catch him before he falls and before any harm comes to him. At one point, the two of them are jumping across the rooftops. One of Sceleritas' proudest moments is when the baby bat catches his very first bug and gives it to him as a gift. A very touching moment for grandpa. Sceleritas and Jr. finally return to the fancy clothing shop, the baby now completely tired out and sleeping peacefully in his carrier. Meanwhile, Astarion and Dark Urge are just now finishing up their shopping; Astarion (having no idea that Sceleritas and Jr. ever left their spot) comes over to Sceleritas and chastises him because he notices Junior has a little bit of dirt in his hair and a tiny dirt smudge on his cheek.^^;
I don't think those two could manage somtimes without their loyal butler.
I never really messed around with them too much, just saw "Gnolls?" and killed them without thinking.
I will also have to try to talk to them if I play more in the future.. easy to miss things when you just follow the same old footsteps.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Originally Posted by Sini
In Act 1 you admire the miracle of birth among the Gnolls, in Act 2 you notice what "tough guys" the Gnolls are there, and they also call you "Master". There are suggestions that the Dark Urge also fathered gnolls. There is also an evil ending, which luckily didn't make it into the game, if you cheat on Bhaal and then you're just left to produce Bhaalspawns and mate with every creature. So it's a rather disturbing relationship.
Uugh. I wish I could un-know that. Dark Urge has some bad endings, but I'm glad that one didn't make it in. I can understand shock factor to some extent, but that... idk... Just doesn't sit right.
Sometimes the DUrge is a bit much I agree. You can mostly ignore it as it is in the lore and not really in your face as you play the game. I just really like leaning into the evil side and the DUrge lets me do that more than playing regular Tav would. I think it would have been interesting to see an alternative game setting where you could pick your character alignment when you made your character so you could play really evil without having the DUrge factor. Potentially leaving the DUrge open to getting even more disturbing, while letting evil players (who do not like it THAT disturbing) have their fun.
Your story is getting so damn cute, almost too cute.
Thank you! That's another one I'll note down for next time. I never really messed around with them too much, just saw "Gnolls?" and killed them without thinking.
Gladly, darling There are so many different ways to play scenes. I've already seen a lot, but my list of what I still want to play/test out is still long. I never get bored when they let me do stupid things.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Uugh. I wish I could un-know that. Dark Urge has some bad endings, but I'm glad that one didn't make it in. I can understand shock factor to some extent, but that... idk... Just doesn't sit right.
Best ignored, that was another Dark Urge. As we have discovered, your Dark Urge is to cute for making a "Dark Urge face"
Then we'll unpack a few more stories from our private conversations. You can't keep it from the world. ^^
"It's an outfit for when she goes shopping in the city, for example. Astarion at her side,the two of them giggle at something funny, he has his arm around her waist and she leans her head on his shoulder. Scelerias walks behind them, he has a baby carrier around his chest in which he is carrying Astarion Jun. (lol). He throws small stones at birds in a bored manner."
"Poor Sceleritas, but better than a harness and a leash for Astarion Jun. lol ... I imagine a very tiny bat and Sceleritas holds the leash in his hand. Every now and then the little one falls and Sceleritas immediately jumps to catch the tiny bat. Sometimes the little one cries in fright and then wants to be cuddled by everyone. Sceleritas always has blood candies for Astarion Jun. Then they play "Show me your little teeth" and the little one then bites hard into Scelerita's finger.
And Sceleritas cheers him "You are such a cute little Master, and you already bite so nicely. Oh, what a wonderful Dark Urge Ascendant you will be. Yes, your real Grandpa Bhaal, he loves you so much, from him you will receive gifts, that will make every god, devil and demon tremble. You will feast on their blood and they will all bow to you."
" Oh my goodness the smallest little leash for baby Astarion. It would be like a leash for a hamster, so tiny. No one could resist cuddling the little sweetheart. The blood candies are a great idea, and Junior biting into Sceleritas' finger instead of curling his hand around his finger. <3 I bet he has the cutest swaddling blankets and stuffed animals that look like bats and werewolves. When he gets a little older, they can give him things like candy apple, but it's covered in blood instead of caramel."
"Before going to bed, Daddy always plays "Who makes the best evil face" with Astarion Jun. Mommy sometimes sabotages it by secretly standing behind Astarion and making the little one laugh. Astarion sometimes complains that I shouldn't distract the boy too much. But he didn't quickly forget it while smooching.
When he wants to bite Sceleritas finger, his little hands cling to his fingers, he tries to look as angry as possible and licks his lips in concentration. Sceleritas always screams and whines especially for the little prince and praises his cruelty."
"You're too cute to make a Dark Urge face. You'll probably have to practice making an evil face together with Astarion Jun.
"But yes, the picture that you have to sit there with Astarion Jun. to learn to look evil is very cute. And then this little cheeky one looks at you with his evil smile and makes "ROAR". "Look Daddy, I can do this better than Mommy." And then your left hand becomes the Slayer's claw again and you lightly poke him in the chest with the tip. "Mommy doesn't have to be able to look evil! Can the tiny bat fly faster than the Slayer can run?" The little one looks at you with big eyes and spontaneously hiccups. "Astarion Darling, I think your son needs a new diaper"."
"Dignified as Astarion is, he changes his diaper and while doing so he says to him "Ok, here we go little man, we have to do some work on your dignity too. Lesson No. 1: Don't upset your mom! The useless butler will definitely tell you stories about your mom said and Sceleritas says she has become much more approachable since the little accident with the dagger, but old behavior patterns often appear when you anger her. Advice from big men: "Don't do it!". For Daddy, her behavior is sexy , for you, as you've probably noticed, undignified.""
"Junior asks, "But Daddy, what if mommy does get mad?" Astarion: "Don't you worry. Mommy will always take out her anger on your grandpa, and he doesn't mind. Then, daddy will work his little 'magic' at night, and mommy will be feeling much better after she wakes up in the morning.""
"Mommy floats lightly over to the two of them and says to Jr. "Ask Daddy what kind of magic he uses." You look at Astarion, smile and whisper to him "Look daddy, I can make an evil face." "
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I'm imagining Sceleritas and Jr. having hours of adventures (which Astarion has no idea about while he's preoccupied with his very important Vampire Lord activities). Sceleritas has to act something like Jr.'s guardian angel to make sure the curious little thing doesn't get hurt. The baby sees a tressym flying outside the window, automatically transforms into his tiny bat form and slips out of his baby carrier to fly after it. Sceleritas panics and runs after him, always there to catch him before he falls and before any harm comes to him. At one point, the two of them are jumping across the rooftops. One of Sceleritas' proudest moments is when the baby bat catches his very first bug and gives it to him as a gift. A very touching moment for grandpa. Sceleritas and Jr. finally return to the fancy clothing shop, the baby now completely tired out and sleeping peacefully in his carrier. Meanwhile, Astarion and Dark Urge are just now finishing up their shopping; Astarion (having no idea that Sceleritas and Jr. ever left their spot) comes over to Sceleritas and chastises him because he notices Junior has a little bit of dirt in his hair and a tiny dirt smudge on his cheek.^^;
I don't think those two could manage somtimes without their loyal butler.
After they get back to the palace, Sceleritas is also really tired. He gets into bed right next to Jr. and falls asleep immediately. Sceleritas sleeps like a dog, sometimes curled up, sometimes with all his legs and arms up. Astarion Jr. bit Sceleritas thumb in his sleep. Astarion and the Dark Urge watch them sleep. Astarion replies, "I hope the boy doesn't get fleas or any diseases from him. I would be in favor of killing him, but my humble opinion is not required, even if I can't understand why. For decorative reasons alone, we should kill him. I don't think he fits in with anything here in the palace. Yes, I'll revise, I know a good place where he would fit in and not bother anyone. I'll get the shovel and bury him all by myself. . Let me kill him... finally. Or tell him you don't need him anymore.
Maybe Celestia will also show you the cute picture she drew...that's sooooooo cute.
Last edited by Sini; 11/07/2411:52 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
@Sini By the way, combined with you promoting bard class (intentionally or no) and me interested in the class I made my third character a bard. And I tried out the trick with having Astarion poison the beverage keg while playing a tune to distract all of the goblins. So much fun! So easy to miss the keg you can poison too! So thank you for mentioning that!
I'd love to do that . I like to give you bad ideas my dear consorts , there are so many funny things you can do. As a Dark Urge you don't avoid any danger and as a bard you catter them to death anyway
I just wanted to start a new game and was thinking about playing a warlock but Bard is just too cool... you convinced me. ^^
Last edited by Sini; 12/07/2403:32 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Sometimes the DUrge is a bit much I agree. You can mostly ignore it as it is in the lore and not really in your face as you play the game. I just really like leaning into the evil side and the DUrge lets me do that more than playing regular Tav would. I think it would have been interesting to see an alternative game setting where you could pick your character alignment when you made your character so you could play really evil without having the DUrge factor. Potentially leaving the DUrge open to getting even more disturbing, while letting evil players (who do not like it THAT disturbing) have their fun.
An option for choosing your character alignment from the beginning - I really like this idea. I think it could also determine what your character's facial expressions look like during some of the dialogues/scenes. Yeah, there are a few little elements of Durge that seem to have been written specifically with the (default) male Dark Urge in mind. At least that's how it feels to me.
Originally Posted by Sini
Best ignored, that was another Dark Urge. As we have discovered, your Dark Urge is to cute for making a "Dark Urge face"
Bhaal to my Durge: "You have brought shame to your family!"
^^
Originally Posted by Sini
Quickly made... this pointless and useless business card from Sceleritas Fel. He doesn't need it but he still has it.
I think this looks so good! It's exactly how I would picture his rumpled, blood-splattered business card in my mind. { Sceleritas Fel: Loyal butler, Nanny, Murderer, Rose Fertilizer. Never available to you. Get lost } He will never need the card but that doesn't stop him from being a professional. <3
Originally Posted by Sini
After they get back to the palace, Sceleritas is also really tired. He gets into bed right next to Jr. and falls asleep immediately. Sceleritas sleeps like a dog, sometimes curled up, sometimes with all his legs and arms up. Astarion Jr. bit Sceleritas thumb in his sleep. Astarion and the Dark Urge watch them sleep. Astarion replies, "I hope the boy doesn't get fleas or any diseases from him. I would be in favor of killing him, but my humble opinion is not required, even if I can't understand why. For decorative reasons alone, we should kill him. I don't think he fits in with anything here in the palace. Yes, I'll revise, I know a good place where he would fit in and not bother anyone. I'll get the shovel and bury him all by myself. . Let me kill him... finally. Or tell him you don't need him anymore.
I can't disagree with Astarion here. Sceleritas probably sticks out like a sore thumb among the fancy decor. That is adorable, him sleeping like a dog next to Jr. and Jr. biting his thumb in his sleep. Hmm, I have a feeling Astarion will change his mind very fast when Jr.'s crying starts keeping him up all night.^^;
Originally Posted by Sini
Maybe Celestia will also show you the cute picture she drew...that's sooooooo cute.
A portrait with one of Sceleritas' photobombs and the ittybitty baby bat resting on DarkUrge Eden's head:
Bhaal to my Durge: "You have brought shame to your family!"^^
...and points to Astarion, who is standing in the background. Astarion looks confused "I didn't do anything shameful...ok, maybe 2-3...hundred times...but it wasn't just me. But I kind of feel like that wasn't what was meant."
Bhaal growls at him “Who are you?â€
"I'll put it this way... Papa ... I'm not expecting a welcoming party, but it would still be nice to get to know each other over tea and brandy. We're a team and we should trust each other..."
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I think this looks so good! It's exactly how I would picture his rumpled, blood-splattered business card in my mind. { Sceleritas Fel: Loyal butler, Nanny, Murderer, Rose Fertilizer. Never available to you. Get lost } He will never need the card but that doesn't stop him from being a professional. <3
You know how much I adore Sceleritas, unfortunately he gets far too little attention. I should rename the thread to:
"Sceleritas Fel, the Dark Urge, Astarion Junior... and the guy who threw dirt in my face"
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I can't disagree with Astarion here. Sceleritas probably sticks out like a sore thumb among the fancy decor. That is adorable, him sleeping like a dog next to Jr. and Jr. biting his thumb in his sleep. Hmm, I have a feeling Astarion will change his mind very fast when Jr.'s crying starts keeping him up all night.^^;
I love Astarion's love of decor and his nails.
Yes, poor Sceleritas doesn't fit in there at all. It doesn't match the wallpaper, the curtains and certainly not the carpets. Color-wise it's also a total disaster. Maybe Astarion needs to go shopping with Sceleritas, he just needs the right advice. lol
Originally Posted by Celesti4
A portrait with one of Sceleritas' photobombs and the ittybitty baby bat resting on DarkUrge Eden's head:
<3
Thank you again, you drew it so beautifully and sweetly.
In you I have found my less evil Dark Urge sister. It's so much fun with you...thank you.
Last edited by Sini; 13/07/2401:01 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
So, my new Eden is created, as always Dark Urge Drow Honor Mode, I start as Warlock later skill to bardlock. Sooner or later I'll kill all my companions except Astarion and Minthara, the last place goes to a hireling who I transform into Sceleritas. I'll try to get to the epilogue with AA and reject Bhaal... it'll be a tough test not to say "In my name".
Any wishes except the last ones? Any specific bad ideas I could do along the way?
I'll love it if Sceleritas is there all the time.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Bhaal to my Durge: "You have brought shame to your family!"
...and points to Astarion, who is standing in the background. Astarion looks confused "I didn't do anything shameful...ok, maybe 2-3...hundred times...but it wasn't just me. But I kind of feel like that wasn't what was meant."
Bhaal growls at him “Who are you?â€
"I'll put it this way... Papa ... I'm not expecting a welcoming party, but it would still be nice to get to know each other over tea and brandy. We're a team and we should trust each other..."
Not the easiest in-laws to have, poor Astarion. I think it was Bhaal's idea for Astarion to re-educate my Dark Urge on how to do the evil face. If he succeeds in this difficult task, then he may earn Bhaal's respect. (Unfortunately he loses it again when he mentions a dowry)
Originally Posted by Sini
Yes, poor Sceleritas doesn't fit in there at all. It doesn't match the wallpaper, the curtains and certainly not the carpets. Color-wise it's also a total disaster. Maybe Astarion needs to go shopping with Sceleritas, he just needs the right advice. lol
Maybe Dark Urge could convince him to get a makeover, but he definitely won't listen to Astarion. :p I think it's a waste of money anyways. He'll just get buried or killed again and ruin his new clothes.
Originally Posted by Sini
In you I have found my less evil Dark Urge sister. It's so much fun with you...thank you.
I had the same thought. <3 (2 ruined brains, 1 thought lol)
Originally Posted by Sini
So, my new Eden is created, as always Dark Urge Drow Honor Mode, I start as Warlock later skill to bardlock. Sooner or later I'll kill all my companions except Astarion and Minthara, the last place goes to a hireling who I transform into Sceleritas. I'll try to get to the epilogue with AA and reject Bhaal... it'll be a tough test not to say "In my name".
Any wishes except the last ones? Any specific bad ideas I could do along the way?
I'll love it if Sceleritas is there all the time.
I think some of the most evil things you can do is to tell people what they want to hear and then betray them. Or anything that requires being sneaky. Maybe moar of things like poisoning the keg. xD
Originally Posted by Ametris
Originally Posted by Celesti4
A portrait with one of Sceleritas' photobombs and the ittybitty baby bat resting on DarkUrge Eden's head:
Cuteness overload.
I love the way you drew the tiny bat on your Tav's head. ^^
Thank you!^^ <3 I love the idea of Astarion, Sceleritas, Durge, and their baby bat together as a little family like this.
Not the easiest in-laws to have, poor Astarion. I think it was Bhaal's idea for Astarion to re-educate my Dark Urge on how to do the evil face. If he succeeds in this difficult task, then he may earn Bhaal's respect. (Unfortunately he loses it again when he mentions a dowry)
Bhaal has to have a lot of self-control. Astarion has the idea that all the beautiful blood lakes in the Bhaal Temple could be used... he has some kind of wellness temple in mind. Sceleritas has a lot of trouble stopping Astarion from "redecorating" the temple and restoring everything to how it was before. He's glad Orin just moved out and then you're bringing someone like him home with you.
The hope that you can make a "Dark Urge face" has been given up, official explanation "ruined brain". Anyone who jokes about it will face the worst punishment... but what would you want to punish a Bhaalist? Be locked in a pink room for little girls?
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Maybe Dark Urge could convince him to get a makeover, but he definitely won't listen to Astarion. :p I think it's a waste of money anyways. He'll just get buried or killed again and ruin his new clothes.
Which brings us back to Astarion's suggestion.
"Darling, I told you it was a waste of time. Let's just think practically about it."
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I think some of the most evil things you can do is to tell people what they want to hear and then betray them. Or anything that requires being sneaky. Maybe moar of things like poisoning the keg. xD
Ok, I will give my best to try to do the most nasty evil things.
I love it so much already.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Here's the complete conversation after Astarion drank me dry.
I make Astarion drink my blood every night so he can get his buff. Can he drink your blood?
Personally, I differentiate between being Tav or Dark Urge. As a Dark Urge, I definitely understand Astarion. As a Dark Urge, I don't mind him drinking my blood. He is killing me, okay ... we live in a world full of magic and strange creatures. As a Dark Urge, I've been revived so many times that I'll pass it off as a minor accident. Especially since the Dark Urge definitely takes pleasure in pain and death, especially in himself. For my Dark Urge Astarion is initially nothing more than a path to immortality (being immortal is always relative) after knowing he is a vampire and I'm thinking about what price Cazador is willing to pay. I just don't like the point about being spawn and him having total control.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Here's the complete conversation after Astarion drank me dry.
Wow, ok so this is another moment where he mentions that he was a magistrate in the past! I only knew about the one time he says it when you first meet him, and again after meeting Gandrel. This would be the third time that I know of. I also never saw him mention before that he doesn't remember much of anything of his past life before becoming a spawn. Thank you for sharing!
Originally Posted by Sini
I make Astarion drink my blood every night so he can get his buff. Can he drink your blood?
In my last playthrough, for some reason the dialogue option to invite him to feed on you doesn't appear. I think it's either a bug, or it doesn't appear because I told him he can feed off of the enemies we come across.
Originally Posted by Sini
Oh no... I think Astarion wasn't paying much attention when you were discussing your plan with him.
Originally Posted by Sini
Bhaal has to have a lot of self-control. Astarion has the idea that all the beautiful blood lakes in the Bhaal Temple could be used... he has some kind of wellness temple in mind. Sceleritas has a lot of trouble stopping Astarion from "redecorating" the temple and restoring everything to how it was before. He's glad Orin just moved out and then you're bringing someone like him home with you.
Yes, I think Astarion will start to use the blood lakes as his personal wellness spa and to take his nightly baths in. Sceleritas scowls as he has to stand beside him, serving him wine. *Astarion leisurely sips through a straw*
Originally Posted by Sini
The hope that you can make a "Dark Urge face" has been given up, official explanation "ruined brain". Anyone who jokes about it will face the worst punishment... but what would you want to punish a Bhaalist? Be locked in a pink room for little girls?
Lol the official explanation of ruined brain.^^; My DUrge goes to sulk in a corner, feeling hopeless. If anyone is seen making fun or giggling at her behind her back, Astarion and Sceleritas will nod at each other and throw that person straight into the oubliette. One of the very rare times that the two of them team up.
Originally Posted by Sini
It's so cool to see our lovely butler there along for the ride^^
Wow, ok so this is another moment where he mentions that he was a magistrate in the past! I only knew about the one time he says it when you first meet him, and again after meeting Gandrel. This would be the third time that I know of. I also never saw him mention before that he doesn't remember much of anything of his past life before becoming a spawn. Thank you for sharing!
You can basically trigger the moment whenever you want, you just can't tell him that he should talk about himself. For me, this is the perfect moment to let him tell his story. Otherwise he just says his one-liner.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
In my last playthrough, for some reason the dialogue option to invite him to feed on you doesn't appear. I think it's either a bug, or it doesn't appear because I told him he can feed off of the enemies we come across.
Yes, you can't tell him that. I would always forget his buff, so I let him drink my blood just for practical reasons. And like I said, I'm the Dark Urge, why do I care about a little blood? As soon as I'm a spawn, I bite everything and everyone. ^^
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Oh no... I think Astarion wasn't paying much attention when you were discussing your plan with him.
Yes, that was apparently too much information with the non-lethal damage. Not that this has ever happened to me. The gloves that cause lightning damage are also dangerous, ask Minthara or Minsc. Of course I had nothing to do with it.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Yes, I think Astarion will start to use the blood lakes as his personal wellness spa and to take his nightly baths in. Sceleritas scowls as he has to stand beside him, serving him wine. *Astarion leisurely sips through a straw*
As soon as Sceleritas is out of sight, one of Astarion's scented candles comes flying from the background and lands in the middle of the puddle of blood. Sceleritas calls out to Astarion "Sorry Master, it slipped out of my hand".
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Lol the official explanation of ruined brain.^^; My DUrge goes to sulk in a corner, feeling hopeless. If anyone is seen making fun or giggling at her behind her back, Astarion and Sceleritas will nod at each other and throw that person straight into the oubliette. One of the very rare times that the two of them team up.
In a pink nightmare full of rainbows and unicorns ... There must be something like that in Avernus.
Almost forgotten ...
Sceleritas was extremely mean right away, as expected of him... but I learned from that. Doni can talk! We just went down to the Tiefling children and Doni was standing on the edge. Sceleritas then threw him into the abyss because he was in his way when he wanted to jump over to the box. He is immediately revived, but then shouts that he has to get help and runs off to the other children. I better send Sceleritas out the door before we have to fight children who can't die. ^^
Last edited by Sini; 16/07/2409:26 AM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Thanks Larian, here's a little dance of anticipation from Dark Urge & Sceleritas on Patch 7... but in World of Warcraft, there was no dancing Dark Urge & Sceleritas emoji.
Wow, so many interesting things have happened here! This is gorgeous, great fun to read you all! <3
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Or maybe his dignified (but patiently disapproving) Lord Astarion face that I love:
Oh, what a touching shot! Thank you, I've added it to my collection! Someone should show me that Astarion photo whenever I misbehave, hehe... I'm imagining my DU getting into a fight with some nobleman at a ball, and has already started a duel of honor, putting her opponent's face on the feasting table, but suddenly sees Lord Astarion's gaze like this, gets embarrassed, lets the victim go, quickly realizes she's a lady, adjusts her dress, and then throughout the dinner expresses herself in an extremely refined manner, observing all the rules of cutlery etiquette without fail.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I also got that impression that it might be more of a friendship type of connection with spawn Astarion, and more of a carnal passion with Ascendant. It also makes sense to me because although he (as the un-ascended version) begins to work through his trauma after dealing with Cazador, physically he is still the same. Compared to the Ascendant, who gains back the appetites he'd lost. It's melancholy for me too, to think that Spawn-version has to keep his hunger forever and has to give up on his dream. It does seem to me like he's repressing some feelings of regret and inner sadness but hides it.
About the friendship type of connection with spawn Astarion, I agree. When I played this version for a bit, in addition to the sadness, it also felt like something... Gone irrevocably. Compared to what started in the second chapter between us. With the Ascended, it seems to me that this passion is more than carnal, it is an all-encompassing passion. Both spiritual and physical union. Like some higher level of relationship development, like a fusion. By the way, in ancient times there was no such concept as “traumaâ€, but there were concepts of “sufferingâ€, “humiliation†and “revengeâ€. Revenge is also a step towards healing, revenge erases the past humiliation, elevates over the former tormentor. The avenger can regain his appetite for life, he no longer feels insignificant.The Ascended Astarion gains appetites on a concrete, physical level as well. Of course, abandoning all of this, Astarion will feel regret and sadness, and will suppress them. Tav, who didn't help him Ascend - yes, they are still the only close person in the world, but they are not the person to whom Astarion can fully open up, with whom Astarion can be himself, show himself as he is. This is not the person who understands him, and so Astarion suppresses his feelings and continues to play the role, he becomes “betterâ€. For others. When the larva is gone, all his senses are dulled (except hunger), as a vampire spawn should be.
Originally Posted by Sini
What a clever little evil guy he is.
The whole family is proud of him. Sceleritas often tells him about Orin when he puts him to bed and describes to him exactly how his mom killed Orin and how he didn't like Orin at all.
The boy smiles sweetly whenever Sceleritas' story reaches the description of the final blow in that battle. He is proud of his mother, and then he sleeps sweetly, curled up in a ball under the blanket, and he dreams that he is the true incarnation of Bhaal, that he is Bhaal himself, and he walks through the world, and the world shudders at his footsteps.... When he wakes up, he thinks about wanting ice cream and fireworks from Felogyr's store, and needs to sneak into his sleeping parents' bedroom to wish them good morning, starting to jump on the bed and loudly shouting out his grand plans for the day.
Originally Posted by Sini
That's probably what Astarion always thinks, when he is on adventures with me.
Oh yes, great reaction... I love it! I laughed for a long time when I was in that situation myself, hehe. Makes me want to keep doing wacky things for the sake of his outrage.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Оne of Astarion's postcards to Sceleritas:
My dear Butler-in-law,
I trust that you are taking care of everything at the palace while we are away. By now, I expect you've found a way to free yourself from the sack on the rooftop where I last left you. I hope that has taught you not to leave your bug-crumbs on my pillow. You know, I am feeling very emotional at the thought of not having you near... A great feeling of joy and relief, you understand. Though I'm sure you have been missing us terribly, I can't say I've had the chance to miss you. There are all manner of creatures here with dirty odious faces that remind me of you. Although I must say, it is making me feel quite a bit more at home.
(Postcard has a picture of a decrepit graveyard with the words "Wish you were here")
Imagine Astarion's surprise when the butler shows up right behind him shortly after. "You called for me, milord?"
Awesome!
Originally Posted by Sini
I think they have to look out for each other. I love it when he drinks me dry and then I can constantly accuse him of killing me. Of course it just happened to me by accident that the monastery collapsed on top of him "But there is no evidence of that! There are evidence? It was an accident!"
When I see Astarion screaming and outraged, it makes me want to squeeze into my chair, apologize and reboot, and then I realize it's a video, hehe. One of his most vivid reactions.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
The shrunken clothes + manipulated bathroom scale would make for a very panicked Astarion. And it would make him forget all about punishing Sceleritas. Two birds with one stone... Bat-Astarion will start frantically flying laps around the palace to try getting in shape again.^^'
Dark Urge should start running after him (if he can keep up with the bat) and lecture him on vampire physiology, explaining that an Ascended vampire can't get fat, and that he: “Perfect every time!â€
Originally Posted by Celesti4
During the epilogue party,
Shadowheart told my Dark Urge she looks like she gained weight. I chose the "Are you calling me chubby?" I thought it was funny, because it means she's being spoiled with all the good food she wants to eat at home, and Astarion doesn't seem to mind her little weight gain at all. Jaheira says Durge looks like she wants to start a family. Scratch says she smells slightly different. I left Sarevok alive (only knocked him out), so he sent me a letter. In the letter, he foreshadows children for Dark Urge, too. Putting all of these little clues together, in my mind, my Dark Urge might be keeping a little secret from everyone. I know Shadowheart, Jaheira, and Scratch probably say that to everyone, but this all fits so nicely to my headcanon.
Letter from Sarevok:
(As a redeemed Urge, I left Sarevok alive and only knocked him unconscious)
Oh, that's great! Thanks for the tip, now I'll definitely let Sarevok live! I didn't think of that myself, and fought as usual. I'll have to experiment with non-lethal strikes with different opponents in general, maybe something else like that will work!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
His real angry face is like this one, during the hand-mirror scene:
I don't remember him looking like that very often in the game!
Yeah, during the mirror scene, I remember. But he gets so animated afterward when you start telling him how handsome he is! <3 I wish I could tell him something in the style of Shakespeare: “Thy eyes are nothing like the sun, in them beats like a moth a living fire...†I'd write him wreaths of sonnets if I were Tav/DU. After Ascension, I love his lines at the mirror so much, taking him to each mirror along the way so Astarion can admire the beauty in between bloody fights and reckless adventures.
Originally Posted by Sini
Speaking of the Gnolls,
one of my favorite parts is in Act 1 when you convince the Gnolls to fight for you.Why get dirty and fight yourself when others will do it for you.
This is great and look at how Astarion likes this. ^^
Yes, that's the most interesting way to conduct this fight!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Originally Posted by Sini
In Act 1 you admire the miracle of birth among the Gnolls, in Act 2 you notice what "tough guys" the Gnolls are there, and they also call you "Master". There are suggestions that the Dark Urge also fathered gnolls. There is also an evil ending, which luckily didn't make it into the game, if you cheat on Bhaal and then you're just left to produce Bhaalspawns and mate with every creature. So it's a rather disturbing relationship.
Uugh. I wish I could un-know that. Dark Urge has some bad endings, but I'm glad that one didn't make it in. I can understand shock factor to some extent, but that... idk... Just doesn't sit right.
I agree, it's good that it didn't come into the game. It's pretty disgusting, and the shock factor would work a bit wrong in that case in my opinion. The new endings for Dark Urge in patch 7, though, I think will be very interesting! It's good when bad ideas go away and better ones come in their place.
Originally Posted by Sini
"It's an outfit for when she goes shopping in the city, for example. Astarion at her side,the two of them giggle at something funny, he has his arm around her waist and she leans her head on his shoulder. Scelerias walks behind them, he has a baby carrier around his chest in which he is carrying Astarion Jun. (lol). He throws small stones at birds in a bored manner."
"Poor Sceleritas, but better than a harness and a leash for Astarion Jun. lol ... I imagine a very tiny bat and Sceleritas holds the leash in his hand. Every now and then the little one falls and Sceleritas immediately jumps to catch the tiny bat. Sometimes the little one cries in fright and then wants to be cuddled by everyone. Sceleritas always has blood candies for Astarion Jun. Then they play "Show me your little teeth" and the little one then bites hard into Scelerita's finger.
And Sceleritas cheers him "You are such a cute little Master, and you already bite so nicely. Oh, what a wonderful Dark Urge Ascendant you will be. Yes, your real Grandpa Bhaal, he loves you so much, from him you will receive gifts, that will make every god, devil and demon tremble. You will feast on their blood and they will all bow to you."
" Oh my goodness the smallest little leash for baby Astarion. It would be like a leash for a hamster, so tiny. No one could resist cuddling the little sweetheart. The blood candies are a great idea, and Junior biting into Sceleritas' finger instead of curling his hand around his finger. <3 I bet he has the cutest swaddling blankets and stuffed animals that look like bats and werewolves. When he gets a little older, they can give him things like candy apple, but it's covered in blood instead of caramel."
"Before going to bed, Daddy always plays "Who makes the best evil face" with Astarion Jun. Mommy sometimes sabotages it by secretly standing behind Astarion and making the little one laugh. Astarion sometimes complains that I shouldn't distract the boy too much. But he didn't quickly forget it while smooching.
When he wants to bite Sceleritas finger, his little hands cling to his fingers, he tries to look as angry as possible and licks his lips in concentration. Sceleritas always screams and whines especially for the little prince and praises his cruelty."
"You're too cute to make a Dark Urge face. You'll probably have to practice making an evil face together with Astarion Jun.
"But yes, the picture that you have to sit there with Astarion Jun. to learn to look evil is very cute. And then this little cheeky one looks at you with his evil smile and makes "ROAR". "Look Daddy, I can do this better than Mommy." And then your left hand becomes the Slayer's claw again and you lightly poke him in the chest with the tip. "Mommy doesn't have to be able to look evil! Can the tiny bat fly faster than the Slayer can run?" The little one looks at you with big eyes and spontaneously hiccups. "Astarion Darling, I think your son needs a new diaper"."
"Dignified as Astarion is, he changes his diaper and while doing so he says to him "Ok, here we go little man, we have to do some work on your dignity too. Lesson No. 1: Don't upset your mom! The useless butler will definitely tell you stories about your mom said and Sceleritas says she has become much more approachable since the little accident with the dagger, but old behavior patterns often appear when you anger her. Advice from big men: "Don't do it!". For Daddy, her behavior is sexy , for you, as you've probably noticed, undignified.""
"Junior asks, "But Daddy, what if mommy does get mad?" Astarion: "Don't you worry. Mommy will always take out her anger on your grandpa, and he doesn't mind. Then, daddy will work his little 'magic' at night, and mommy will be feeling much better after she wakes up in the morning.""
"Mommy floats lightly over to the two of them and says to Jr. "Ask Daddy what kind of magic he uses." You look at Astarion, smile and whisper to him "Look daddy, I can make an evil face." "
Oh, awesome! The cutest family of villains in all of Faerûn! <3
Originally Posted by Celesti4
A portrait with one of Sceleritas' photobombs and the ittybitty baby bat resting on DarkUrge Eden's head:
<3
How wonderful! They are so beautiful and cute! <3 Thank you, this will be one of the warmest art in my Astarion collection!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I think some of the most evil things you can do is to tell people what they want to hear and then betray them. Or anything that requires being sneaky. Maybe moar of things like poisoning the keg. xD
I always fool the spawns in the cages that we'll save them. But it's also for rational reasons - Sebastian might put a curse on Astarion if we told the truth. And besides, why should they suffer while waiting for death that's inevitable? With Nettie and her poison, I too wish I could just trick her, take the poison and just use that poison as a resource, for example by smearing it on a weapon. It's unfortunate that I can't explain this to Astarion, and he would then think I'm a fool to actually be willing to take that poison, and give disapproval.
Originally Posted by Sini
Anyone who jokes about it will face the worst punishment... but what would you want to punish a Bhaalist? Be locked in a pink room for little girls?
A pink little girls' room with soft walls, toy ponies and princess dolls (enchanted so they can't have their heads ripped off). And a soft toy dagger that they cannot cut with, but whenever they try to stab one pony or princess with it, the dagger sings silly children's songs about being a good boy.
Originally Posted by Sini
Here's the complete conversation after Astarion drank me dry.
I make Astarion drink my blood every night so he can get his buff. Can he drink your blood?
Personally, I differentiate between being Tav or Dark Urge. As a Dark Urge, I definitely understand Astarion. As a Dark Urge, I don't mind him drinking my blood. He is killing me, okay ... we live in a world full of magic and strange creatures. As a Dark Urge, I've been revived so many times that I'll pass it off as a minor accident. Especially since the Dark Urge definitely takes pleasure in pain and death, especially in himself. For my Dark Urge Astarion is initially nothing more than a path to immortality (being immortal is always relative) after knowing he is a vampire and I'm thinking about what price Cazador is willing to pay. I just don't like the point about being spawn and him having total control.
I also prefer the option of letting Astarion drink all my blood to the end and not throwing any checks, the only pity is that in that case I lose his line of thanks when he turns around, saying “That was a gift. Thank you, I won't forget it.†The first time he bit me, I really wanted to feed the vampire properly, I think there is a special connection that happens during the bite. I wish I hadn't blamed him for finishing me off, but I wish I could say I let him. After all, what is death and resurrection in this world? 200 coins? Astarion will get it back soon enough by emptying someone's chests or pockets. At least he ate properly for the first time. To me, there's no difference between Tav and DU. My Tav has also been killed in battle and resurrected multiple times, so it doesn't cost anything for her to die a much more pleasant death once. I always play as a DU now because, DU has more plot, more story, more interactions with Astarion, and with Tav I just screwed up the first time I mistook DU for a companion. The difference between the two is that with Tav I can imagine a separate story of her past, while the DU has her own story. I got a tougher and more evil DU than past Tav, and my Tav didn't love Astarion right away, but over time, found him quite problematic at first because of his disapproval. And with DU it already turned out that as soon as Astarion put a dagger to her throat, so everything - “I want, my boyfriend, you, sweetie, will be mine, what eyes, what a nice evil face!â€. Astarion still worries that the others will find out that he is a vampire, and is not aware that he has practically fallen into the clutches of a passionate and evil woman. My character doesn't worry much about control - it's something like: “Once upon a time there was a vampire, and he was angry and hungry. He was fed once, fed twice, fed three times... And then - bang! Ascension and he is already married. And most importantly, he wanted it, he's happy with it, and he thinks he's in charge of the family! Great plan!†Astarion, too, takes his “leap of faith†at this. He binds himself to his beloved forever, and if she ever wants to betray him, to leave him, he will be very unhappy, because this person is the only one in the whole world for him, the one he wants to be close to forever. I think they are both connected. Astarion is strongly attached emotionally. Also, I prefer a vampire bride over a spawn (although I really like Astarion's line, “My little spawn!â€), and it's a mutual bond. The bride will also develop vampiric powers with her lover. The conversion ritual goes as a bride ritual by all rules, and the animation of the conversion scene matches.
I wished the game could regularly let Astarion finish my blood to the end like the first time, because paying 200 coins is more to my liking than going around all day with an anti-buff because I'm bitten.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
In my last playthrough, for some reason the dialogue option to invite him to feed on you doesn't appear. I think it's either a bug, or it doesn't appear because I told him he can feed off of the enemies we come across.
Yes, it's because of the enemies! I had the same puncture the first time, there was no dialog option, I was biting myself with Astarion without dialog, just applying his bite on Tav. You need to be sure to tell him after the first bite that he can bite you (so there's a line).
In the new game I discovered a bug or not a bug, but a feature: - If you let Astarion finish you drink it all down, then, after resurrection when selecting a dialog, you can agree to the suggestion that he will feed on enemies and he happily approves. And then, approach him again (or the next day) and activate the "about the time you bit me" dialog and offer yourself. Then you'll have both approval and the ability to feed the vampire.
+ Found a new dialog about the ability to not enter other people's houses. It activates when you enter a kargi's house. (I never had it before). + If you do not pester Astarion with questions in the beginning, then later he will tell a little more than one phrase that he immediately gives out on the shore that he was a city judge, boredom and all. And, again, if you don't ask him much about his vampire life, and reach the hunter, then in the dialog to the question "how do you become a vampire", there will be a new phrase that "it turns out he's need to bite Kasador" and his new answer.
About the de-buff, in the Druid grove, at the lonely bear, who catches fish, there is a stone, under it amulet sylvanus, they can remove this de-buff or the ability of the priest (Shadowheart).
Maybe this information isn't new to anyone, but it was new to me)).
The funny thing is, if you let him kill you, you can remind him of it twice later. Like a vindictive, grumpy wife. (he-he)
Oh thank you, I didn't know that, interesting to see!
Thank you especially for this:
Originally Posted by Mirmi
About the de-buff, in the Druid grove, at the lonely bear, who catches fish, there is a stone, under it amulet sylvanus, they can remove this de-buff or the ability of the priest (Shadowheart).
Yay, all problems with biting are solved! I found this amulet, but I didn't use it... I didn't realize from the description that it can remove the de-buff. And this de-buff is a nuisance, especially when you fail a check just because of this -1. In honor mode, for example, so in general every bonus is important and every minus can bring trouble. Enemies are not so easy at the beginning of the game either, while Astarion is still quite vulnerable, at the beginning I always have him as an archer until we raise AC, and you have to get close to them to bite them, and Astarion can get a nasty hit because of that. Now we'll just start every morning with a good breakfast, use the amulet, and everyone will be fed and happy.
Wow, so many interesting things have happened here! This is gorgeous, great fun to read you all! <3
Welcome back Marielle, I hope you are well. *consorthug*
Originally Posted by Marielle
The boy smiles sweetly whenever Sceleritas' story reaches the description of the final blow in that battle. He is proud of his mother, and then he sleeps sweetly, curled up in a ball under the blanket, and he dreams that he is the true incarnation of Bhaal, that he is Bhaal himself, and he walks through the world, and the world shudders at his footsteps.... When he wakes up, he thinks about wanting ice cream and fireworks from Felogyr's store, and needs to sneak into his sleeping parents' bedroom to wish them good morning, starting to jump on the bed and loudly shouting out his grand plans for the day.
That's cute, Sceleritas will definitely jump out of his fruit crate bed and start running. But stays in front of the door, Astarion has forbidden him from ever entering the bedroom and since the time he taught the boy to say "Gortash" when asked about his father, Sceleritas has become a little cautious. Astarion killed him for hours for this, it was of course a great pleasure, but you don't have to anger him again straight away. Sceleritas throws the delicious blood candies on the ground and lures the little screamer to him. "My sweet little master, you shouldn't do that. We'll fulfill your wishes later and if you're a good little master, we'll play pranks on a few more townspeople."
Originally Posted by Marielle
Oh, awesome! The cutest family of villains in all of Faerûn! <3
Sceleritas always tells the boy how lucky he is to have such parents and that this makes him something very special and when he grows up, Bhaal will give him unique gifts of his power.
Originally Posted by Marielle
How wonderful! They are so beautiful and cute! <3 Thank you, this will be one of the warmest art in my Astarion collection!
She is so talented, I hope she will show us more of her drawings. I'm hoping for Nanny Sceleritas, which several little white bats have latched on to. His life doesn't get any easier...poor Sceleritas.
Originally Posted by Marielle
I always fool the spawns in the cages that we'll save them. But it's also for rational reasons - Sebastian might put a curse on Astarion if we told the truth. And besides, why should they suffer while waiting for death that's inevitable? With Nettie and her poison, I too wish I could just trick her, take the poison and just use that poison as a resource, for example by smearing it on a weapon. It's unfortunate that I can't explain this to Astarion, and he would then think I'm a fool to actually be willing to take that poison, and give disapproval.
I always kill Nettie because she wants to poison me and I'm a Drow and I don't like the whole situation there anyway.
I always go to her with Astarion (he might empty her pockets first :))
Depending on how the conversation goes, she then wants to kill me and then says to Astarion "If you continue to help her, then I will have to kill you too.". If you want this text, you have to make her want to kill you because you refuse to accept her poison. After killing Nettie, he says "So, that's it what honesty gets you? Consider my lesson learned."
Originally Posted by Marielle
A pink little girls' room with soft walls, toy ponies and princess dolls (enchanted so they can't have their heads ripped off). And a soft toy dagger that they cannot cut with, but whenever they try to stab one pony or princess with it, the dagger sings silly children's songs about being a good boy.
You are so evil darling.
Originally Posted by Marielle
I also prefer the option of letting Astarion drink all my blood to the end and not throwing any checks, the only pity is that in that case I lose his line of thanks when he turns around, saying “That was a gift. Thank you, I won't forget it.†The first time he bit me, I really wanted to feed the vampire properly, I think there is a special connection that happens during the bite. I wish I hadn't blamed him for finishing me off, but I wish I could say I let him. After all, what is death and resurrection in this world? 200 coins? Astarion will get it back soon enough by emptying someone's chests or pockets. At least he ate properly for the first time. To me, there's no difference between Tav and DU. My Tav has also been killed in battle and resurrected multiple times, so it doesn't cost anything for her to die a much more pleasant death once. I always play as a DU now because, DU has more plot, more story, more interactions with Astarion, and with Tav I just screwed up the first time I mistook DU for a companion. The difference between the two is that with Tav I can imagine a separate story of her past, while the DU has her own story. I got a tougher and more evil DU than past Tav, and my Tav didn't love Astarion right away, but over time, found him quite problematic at first because of his disapproval. And with DU it already turned out that as soon as Astarion put a dagger to her throat, so everything - “I want, my boyfriend, you, sweetie, will be mine, what eyes, what a nice evil face!â€. Astarion still worries that the others will find out that he is a vampire, and is not aware that he has practically fallen into the clutches of a passionate and evil woman. My character doesn't worry much about control - it's something like: “Once upon a time there was a vampire, and he was angry and hungry. He was fed once, fed twice, fed three times... And then - bang! Ascension and he is already married. And most importantly, he wanted it, he's happy with it, and he thinks he's in charge of the family! Great plan!†Astarion, too, takes his “leap of faith†at this. He binds himself to his beloved forever, and if she ever wants to betray him, to leave him, he will be very unhappy, because this person is the only one in the whole world for him, the one he wants to be close to forever. I think they are both connected. Astarion is strongly attached emotionally. Also, I prefer a vampire bride over a spawn (although I really like Astarion's line, “My little spawn!â€), and it's a mutual bond. The bride will also develop vampiric powers with her lover. The conversion ritual goes as a bride ritual by all rules, and the animation of the conversion scene matches.
For me personally there are differences. Personally, I wouldn't play a Tav like a Dark Urge. Because yes, the Dark Urge has a backstory but also a completely different approach to power that Tav doesn't have. Of course Tav can also be extremely evil, but I would never be able to do it in the way that a Dark Urge allows me.
Originally Posted by Mirmi
If you do not pester Astarion with questions in the beginning, then later he will tell a little more than one phrase that he immediately gives out on the shore that he was a city judge, boredom and all. And, again, if you don't ask him much about his vampire life, and reach the hunter, then in the dialog to the question "how do you become a vampire", there will be a new phrase that "it turns out he's need to bite Kasador" and his new answer.
The conversation is very interesting, unfortunately you have to play very strangely for it and in doing so you block other story texts, depending on how many long breaks you have taken and you also trigger the Auntie Ethel event very quickly and she disappears from the grove.
That's the conversation.
Originally Posted by Mirmi
The funny thing is, if you let him kill you, you can remind him of it twice later. Like a vindictive, grumpy wife. (he-he)
I love the part of telling Astarion over and over again that he ended up killing me. He apologizes every time, it's really cute.
Last edited by Sini; 18/07/2409:45 AM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
The conversation is very interesting, unfortunately you have to play very strangely for it and in doing so you block other story texts, depending on how many long breaks you have taken and you also trigger the Auntie Ethel event very quickly and she disappears from the grove.
I don't have the right dialogs blocked, though, I just probably already know by heart which one will pop up when. So, the game was running normally, but with something new. I like finding the new dialogue ones that you wouldn't normally call out in a "normal" game (Like, oh, there's of those in here?). (That's if you go down to the dungeon before the bite, go straight to the hunter before the bite, etc.). So, this time I decided not to pester him with questions, and he gave me something new, this is cool).
I don't have the right dialogs blocked, though, I just probably already know by heart which one will pop up when. So, the game was running normally, but with something new. I like finding the new dialogue ones that you wouldn't normally call out in a "normal" game (Like, oh, there's of those in here?). (That's if you go down to the dungeon before the bite, go straight to the hunter before the bite, etc.). So, this time I decided not to pester him with questions, and he gave me something new, this is cool).
I now give him answers that you wouldn't usually choose, but he usually reacts very relaxed and he seems to enjoy being easily annoyed. I think everything is ok, unless you act completely against his interests. As a Dark Urge, I plan my long rests differently because you need 2 more nights, so I pay close attention to my long rests at the beginning of the game, otherwise too much story will build up or get lost.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Welcome back Marielle, I hope you are well. *consorthug*
Yeah, everything's fine, I was just on vacation. I was very happy to hear that they're definitely going to fix our kissing facial expressions. *consorthug*
Originally Posted by Sini
That's cute, Sceleritas will definitely jump out of his fruit crate bed and start running. But stays in front of the door, Astarion has forbidden him from ever entering the bedroom and since the time he taught the boy to say "Gortash" when asked about his father, Sceleritas has become a little cautious. Astarion killed him for hours for this, it was of course a great pleasure, but you don't have to anger him again straight away. Sceleritas throws the delicious blood candies on the ground and lures the little screamer to him. "My sweet little master, you shouldn't do that. We'll fulfill your wishes later and if you're a good little master, we'll play pranks on a few more townspeople."
- Yeah, Scel! Come on! It'll be fun... - Astarion Jr. grinned predatorily, rubbing his little hands together, wrinkled his nose, checked his fangs (they were in place) and, grabbing Sceleritas by the arm, dragged him outside. After exposing his face to the morning sun, he squinted contentedly, laughed, and turned into a small bat. Sceleritas in invisibility followed him. In the square, the herald was climbing the platform, preparing to read an announcement to the small number of gathered citizens.
- Aha... - the bat took out a scroll of illusion spell from his inventory (as we remember, Astarion and Dark Urge had magical pockets through which they could transfer items to each other and carried a great number of useful things in their inventories, so it's not surprising that their son inherited this ability as well). He applied the illusion to the scroll in the herald's hand and...
The herald unfolded a sheet of paper and began to read out:
- Citizens of Baldur! This week, the city council decreed that everyone, from small to large, must wear their pants backwards! Honorable citizens, nobles and merchants must wear gold pantaloons on their heads only! No pantaloons - no head! Taxes will now be paid with live mice! The mice are to be brought in sacks to Baldur's bank and released without waiting for their turn. W-what? - The herald turned pale, hiccupped, and looked around at the bewildered townspeople.
- Finally, these stupid lords have come up with something good! My pants are tattered anyway, they can be changed backwards either way...†came from the back rows, and then from there came the shouts of a lady who had become an unwilling spectator of the process of changing the pants backwards. - Hey, Joe, let's go get some mice, we've got a barn full of them, at least we won't have to pay those assholes any money!
The bat chuckled and flew onward. At the marketplace, he used his magic hand spell to reach into the thief's pocket, took out a lockpick, and in return he put a love note from a noble lady with a meeting place. The lord from whom he took it, the kid put a rotten tomato, which perfectly matched his fancy suit. He cracked the cellar of a tavern with a lockpick, letting in a group of sad, hung-over alcoholics and three cats. Then, Ast Jr. scared the pigeons, the pigeons scared the dozing guard by hitting him with their wings, the guard's cry scared the thief, the thief recoiled from his victim and stamped on the foot of the editor of Baldur's Mouth Gazette. The editor of the Baldur's Mouth Gazette, cursing, waddled back to the print shop to scare the townspeople with the bad news.
- Scel, carry me home, I forgot to eat breakfast! - The little boy landed in the palm of Scleritas' hand, -Because my mom says that it's forbidden to bite strangers, because they don't wash their necks, and children shouldn't take anything dirty in their mouths...
Originally Posted by Sini
Sceleritas always tells the boy how lucky he is to have such parents and that this makes him something very special and when he grows up, Bhaal will give him unique gifts of his power.
He's going to grow into a handsome guy!
Originally Posted by Sini
She is so talented, I hope she will show us more of her drawings. I'm hoping for Nanny Sceleritas, which several little white bats have latched on to. His life doesn't get any easier...poor Sceleritas.
Wow, I would love to see that! <3
Originally Posted by Sini
I always kill Nettie because she wants to poison me and I'm a Drow and I don't like the whole situation there anyway.
I always go to her with Astarion (he might empty her pockets first :))
Depending on how the conversation goes, she then wants to kill me and then says to Astarion "If you continue to help her, then I will have to kill you too.". If you want this text, you have to make her want to kill you because you refuse to accept her poison. After killing Nettie, he says "So, that's it what honesty gets you? Consider my lesson learned."
Yeah, interesting, I'll give it a try.
Originally Posted by Sini
For me personally there are differences. Personally, I wouldn't play a Tav like a Dark Urge. Because yes, the Dark Urge has a backstory but also a completely different approach to power that Tav doesn't have. Of course Tav can also be extremely evil, but I would never be able to do it in the way that a Dark Urge allows me.
Actually, yeah, Dark Urge has a lot more potential for evil roleplay. Tav might want to become a vampire's bride for the sake of immortality, though for me it was more of a nice extra gift, with the added possibility of being free of the gods. The main thing was for Astarion to gain power and have the ability to protect himself from all the “goodness†that there is too much of around. DU has her own power and the main motivation for turning would be to be able to bind himself to Astarion forever.
Welcome back Marielle, I hope you are well. *consorthug*
Yeah, everything's fine, I was just on vacation. I was very happy to hear that they're definitely going to fix our kissing facial expressions. *consorthug*
Joining in with a *consort-hug.* Welcome back Marielle and I'm happy that you got to come back to such great news. <3 I was so elated about it.
Originally Posted by Sini
Sceleritas was extremely mean right away, as expected of him... but I learned from that. Doni can talk! We just went down to the Tiefling children and Doni was standing on the edge. Sceleritas then threw him into the abyss because he was in his way when he wanted to jump over to the box. He is immediately revived, but then shouts that he has to get help and runs off to the other children. I better send Sceleritas out the door before we have to fight children who can't die. ^^
Oh how convenient. The one time he talks is when he wants to get us in trouble. *eyeroll* I guess Sceleritas didn't even do anything wrong, if they can't die anyway. Maybe they'll even learn a life lesson about standing too close to chasms.
Originally Posted by Sini
As soon as Sceleritas is out of sight, one of Astarion's scented candles comes flying from the background and lands in the middle of the puddle of blood. Sceleritas calls out to Astarion "Sorry Master, it slipped out of my hand".
Sadly, Sceleritas was found face-down floating in one of the bloodlakes the next morning (no worries, he will revive soon, feeling refreshed and full of fresh new ideas)
Originally Posted by Marielle
Oh, what a touching shot! Thank you, I've added it to my collection! Someone should show me that Astarion photo whenever I misbehave, hehe... I'm imagining my DU getting into a fight with some nobleman at a ball, and has already started a duel of honor, putting her opponent's face on the feasting table, but suddenly sees Lord Astarion's gaze like this, gets embarrassed, lets the victim go, quickly realizes she's a lady, adjusts her dress, and then throughout the dinner expresses herself in an extremely refined manner, observing all the rules of cutlery etiquette without fail.
I love this, he's so sweet to her. He can accomplish many things with only that one patiently disapproving look. "Really, darling... Must you do this now?" *gives the look* "Well. Not to worry, he will pay for this... when the time is right. You just relax now and let me take care of it."
Originally Posted by Marielle
About the friendship type of connection with spawn Astarion, I agree. When I played this version for a bit, in addition to the sadness, it also felt like something... Gone irrevocably. Compared to what started in the second chapter between us. With the Ascended, it seems to me that this passion is more than carnal, it is an all-encompassing passion. Both spiritual and physical union. Like some higher level of relationship development, like a fusion. By the way, in ancient times there was no such concept as“traumaâ€, but there were concepts of “sufferingâ€, “humiliation†and “revengeâ€. Revenge is also a step towards healing, revenge erases the past humiliation, elevates over the former tormentor. The avenger can regain his appetite for life, he no longer feels insignificant.The Ascended Astarion gains appetites on a concrete, physical level as well. Of course, abandoning all of this, Astarion will feel regret and sadness, and will suppress them. Tav, who didn't help him Ascend - yes, they are still the only close person in the world, but they are not the person to whom Astarion can fully open up, with whom Astarion can be himself, show himself as he is. This is not the person who understands him, and so Astarion suppresses his feelings and continues to play the role, he becomes “betterâ€. For others. When the larva is gone, all his senses are dulled (except hunger), as a vampire spawn should be.
So many great points. About the passionate connection with AA, yes, I believe it's much more than just that. They become deeply bonded – sharing each other's blood, giving everything to one another, sharing an everlasting bond, literally until the end of the world (just like he says). This requires an immense amount of trust. I would also describe that as being a love/bond that goes way beyond the ordinary; fusion is a good word to use to describe this, especially after the vampire bride ritual. The vampire bride now has a part of his essence. How it feels to me is the two of them don't really need anyone else in their life, except for each other. Very interesting about the different concepts under trauma in ancient times. Revenge often tends to be seen by people as something that has a negative connotation, but I can see it as a part of the healing / empowerment process for Astarion as well. There is not only one set path to achieve this for him. That hits really hard, thinking about how his senses are dulled after the tadpole is removed. I personally don't want to play a character who influences him into not doing the ritual. The whole time he wants to do the ritual and he doesn't change his mind when the time comes to do it. I would feel guilty about playing a part in him losing out on so much that he could have gained. The ritual was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that he will now never get again. I wouldn't be happy about this. I see the Ascendant route as Astarion staying true to who he always was - and now he really gets to indulge and enjoy the full range of his emotions and pleasure and everything else in the world. "Tasting everything that Faerun has to offer."
Originally Posted by Marielle
The boy smiles sweetly whenever Sceleritas' story reaches the description of the final blow in that battle. He is proud of his mother, and then he sleeps sweetly, curled up in a ball under the blanket, and he dreams that he is the true incarnation of Bhaal, that he is Bhaal himself, and he walks through the world, and the world shudders at his footsteps.... When he wakes up, he thinks about wanting ice cream and fireworks from Felogyr's store, and needs to sneak into his sleeping parents' bedroom to wish them good morning, starting to jump on the bed and loudly shouting out his grand plans for the day.
Too cute^^ I can imagine his parents' sleepy and mildly annoyed faces. <3
Originally Posted by Marielle
Oh, that's great! Thanks for the tip, now I'll definitely let Sarevok live! I didn't think of that myself, and fought as usual. I'll have to experiment with non-lethal strikes with different opponents in general, maybe something else like that will work!
Hehe, it was a happy accident in my case. I think I forgot to turn off non-lethal damage.^^; And then got this as an interesting "reward." I think it ties in really well with some of Jaheira's lines (during the game you can ask her if Bhaalspawn can have children; then during the epilogue, she mentions the subject again).
Originally Posted by Marielle
Yeah, during the mirror scene, I remember. But he gets so animated afterward when you start telling him how handsome he is! <3 I wish I could tell him something in the style of Shakespeare: “Thy eyes are nothing like the sun, in them beats like a moth a living fire...†I'd write him wreaths of sonnets if I were Tav/DU. After Ascension, I love his lines at the mirror so much, taking him to each mirror along the way so Astarion can admire the beauty in between bloody fights and reckless adventures.
I love how happy he is that he can finally admire himself again after ascension. He really looked upset during the mirror scene, thinking about how his reflection was another thing that he's lost. He does seem so satisfied after you cheer him up. And I like the way he says, "Veeerry good," if you say something that pleases him. Lol
Originally Posted by Marielle
How wonderful! They are so beautiful and cute! <3 Thank you, this will be one of the warmest art in my Astarion collection!
Thank you so much! That makes me happy.
Originally Posted by Marielle
My character doesn't worry much about control - it's something like: “Once upon a time there was a vampire, and he was angry and hungry. He was fed once, fed twice, fed three times... And then - bang! Ascension and he is already married. And most importantly, he wanted it, he's happy with it, and he thinks he's in charge of the family! Great plan!†Astarion, too, takes his “leap of faith†at this. He binds himself to his beloved forever, and if she ever wants to betray him, to leave him, he will be very unhappy, because this person is the only one in the whole world for him, the one he wants to be close to forever. I think they are both connected. Astarion is strongly attached emotionally. Also, I prefer a vampire bride over a spawn (although I really like Astarion's line, “My little spawn!â€), and it's a mutual bond. The bride will also develop vampiric powers with her lover. The conversion ritual goes as a bride ritual by all rules, and the animation of the conversion scene matches.
Agree with your thoughts. It's easy to forget that Astarion also takes a leap of faith here. He doesn't just turn you into a spawn, you're basically getting married during the turning night. You're precious to him, his favorite person in the world (I personally think that's what he means by "You are my favorite"), his treasure. He means it when he says he wants to share it all with you (until the world falls down). Yes I love how he says "Hello, my sweet little spawn." There's something special about how he says that hello.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Yes, it's because of the enemies! I had the same puncture the first time, there was no dialog option, I was biting myself with Astarion without dialog, just applying his bite on Tav. You need to be sure to tell him after the first bite that he can bite you (so there's a line).
Thank you! And that's a clever workaround! Why didn't I think to make him bite me instead? >< But yeah, it feels like it's really easy to miss out on the "Feed on me" dialogue option.
Originally Posted by Mirmi
In the new game I discovered a bug or not a bug, but a feature: - If you let Astarion finish you drink it all down, then, after resurrection when selecting a dialog, you can agree to the suggestion that he will feed on enemies and he happily approves. And then, approach him again (or the next day) and activate the "about the time you bit me" dialog and offer yourself. Then you'll have both approval and the ability to feed the vampire.
I need to reload an old save and try this!
Originally Posted by Mirmi
+ Found a new dialog about the ability to not enter other people's houses. It activates when you enter a kargi's house. (I never had it before). + If you do not pester Astarion with questions in the beginning, then later he will tell a little more than one phrase that he immediately gives out on the shore that he was a city judge, boredom and all. And, again, if you don't ask him much about his vampire life, and reach the hunter, then in the dialog to the question "how do you become a vampire", there will be a new phrase that "it turns out he's need to bite Kasador" and his new answer.
This is new to me, I've definitely never heard him talk about the ability to enter people's houses!
Originally Posted by Mirmi
The funny thing is, if you let him kill you, you can remind him of it twice later. Like a vindictive, grumpy wife. (he-he)
Going to try this too
Originally Posted by Sini
I love the part of telling Astarion over and over again that he ended up killing me. He apologizes every time, it's really cute.
I need this in my life.
Originally Posted by Sini
That's cute, Sceleritas will definitely jump out of his fruit crate bed and start running. But stays in front of the door, Astarion has forbidden him from ever entering the bedroom and since the time he taught the boy to say "Gortash" when asked about his father, Sceleritas has become a little cautious. Astarion killed him for hours for this, it was of course a great pleasure, but you don't have to anger him again straight away. Sceleritas throws the delicious blood candies on the ground and lures the little screamer to him. "My sweet little master, you shouldn't do that. We'll fulfill your wishes later and if you're a good little master, we'll play pranks on a few more townspeople."
I'm still dying at Sceleritas' fruit crate bed.
Originally Posted by Sini
She is so talented, I hope she will show us more of her drawings. I'm hoping for Nanny Sceleritas, which several little white bats have latched on to. His life doesn't get any easier...poor Sceleritas.
Thank you darling. Your ideas are so fun and inspiring.
Originally Posted by Marielle
- Yeah, Scel! Come on! It'll be fun... - Astarion Jr. grinned predatorily, rubbing his little hands together, wrinkled his nose, checked his fangs (they were in place) and, grabbing Sceleritas by the arm, dragged him outside. After exposing his face to the morning sun, he squinted contentedly, laughed, and turned into a small bat. Sceleritas in invisibility followed him. In the square, the herald was climbing the platform, preparing to read an announcement to the small number of gathered citizens.
- Aha... - the bat took out a scroll of illusion spell from his inventory (as we remember, Astarion and Dark Urge had magical pockets through which they could transfer items to each other and carried a great number of useful things in their inventories, so it's not surprising that their son inherited this ability as well). He applied the illusion to the scroll in the herald's hand and...
The herald unfolded a sheet of paper and began to read out:
- Citizens of Baldur! This week, the city council decreed that everyone, from small to large, must wear their pants backwards! Honorable citizens, nobles and merchants must wear gold pantaloons on their heads only! No pantaloons - no head! Taxes will now be paid with live mice! The mice are to be brought in sacks to Baldur's bank and released without waiting for their turn. W-what? - The herald turned pale, hiccupped, and looked around at the bewildered townspeople.
- Finally, these stupid lords have come up with something good! My pants are tattered anyway, they can be changed backwards either way...†came from the back rows, and then from there came the shouts of a lady who had become an unwilling spectator of the process of changing the pants backwards. - Hey, Joe, let's go get some mice, we've got a barn full of them, at least we won't have to pay those assholes any money!
The bat chuckled and flew onward. At the marketplace, he used his magic hand spell to reach into the thief's pocket, took out a lockpick, and in return he put a love note from a noble lady with a meeting place. The lord from whom he took it, the kid put a rotten tomato, which perfectly matched his fancy suit. He cracked the cellar of a tavern with a lockpick, letting in a group of sad, hung-over alcoholics and three cats. Then, Ast Jr. scared the pigeons, the pigeons scared the dozing guard by hitting him with their wings, the guard's cry scared the thief, the thief recoiled from his victim and stamped on the foot of the editor of Baldur's Mouth Gazette. The editor of the Baldur's Mouth Gazette, cursing, waddled back to the print shop to scare the townspeople with the bad news.
- Scel, carry me home, I forgot to eat breakfast! - The little boy landed in the palm of Scleritas' hand, -Because my mom says that it's forbidden to bite strangers, because they don't wash their necks, and children shouldn't take anything dirty in their mouths...
Consorts are so creative. <3 This is just too cute! We're creating a whole book about Scel and Jr.'s adventures.
Joining in with a *consort-hug.* Welcome back Marielle and I'm happy that you got to come back to such great news. <3 I was so elated about it.
Yeah, it's great! We can play with mods for now, and in the fall it will be very interesting to see what kisses will be. And new modding tools - I think modders will create something awesome with them eventually!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Originally Posted by Sini
Sceleritas was extremely mean right away, as expected of him... but I learned from that. Doni can talk! We just went down to the Tiefling children and Doni was standing on the edge. Sceleritas then threw him into the abyss because he was in his way when he wanted to jump over to the box. He is immediately revived, but then shouts that he has to get help and runs off to the other children. I better send Sceleritas out the door before we have to fight children who can't die. ^^
Oh how convenient. The one time he talks is when he wants to get us in trouble. *eyeroll* I guess Sceleritas didn't even do anything wrong, if they can't die anyway. Maybe they'll even learn a life lesson about standing too close to chasms.
Poor Doni went through stress and learned to talk. It's a good thing they can't die. I remember in the Witcher 3 game, you could accidentally kill a cat in combat - they would run underfoot and random damage would go through them. It was horrible - after a difficult battle and defeating an enemy to see two cat corpses lying on the ground. I restarted and agonized over how to somehow lure the enemy away to where cats don't run. It's a good thing that in BG3 they reinsured and made the kids immortal for such cases. By the way, in BG3 I didn't have a single instance where I ever killed someone randomly who I didn't intend to kill.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Originally Posted by Sini
As soon as Sceleritas is out of sight, one of Astarion's scented candles comes flying from the background and lands in the middle of the puddle of blood. Sceleritas calls out to Astarion "Sorry Master, it slipped out of my hand".
Sadly, Sceleritas was found face-down floating in one of the bloodlakes the next morning (no worries, he will revive soon, feeling refreshed and full of fresh new ideas)
The blood has a rejuvenating effect, Sceleritas has fewer wrinkles and is more refreshed.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I love this, he's so sweet to her. He can accomplish many things with only that one patiently disapproving look. "Really, darling... Must you do this now?" *gives the look* "Well. Not to worry, he will pay for this... when the time is right. You just relax now and let me take care of it."
Mmmm, it's nice to be around such an Astarion, “You just relax now and let me take care of itâ€... Rare man, DU is very lucky to have him... <3
Dark Urge sits down at Astarion's right hand, smiles placatingly, and whispers affectionately in his ear:
- How good I feel next to you, my love... I feel I have nothing to fear anymore.
Astarion took her hand and intertwined their fingers tightly:
- My powers grow stronger every day, I can protect you from any threat. What were you afraid of before? - Astarion squinted his eyes and furrowed his brow, as if preparing to deal with some unseen threat.
- The existential emptiness associated with the absence of determinate values. - Dark Urge whispered in his ear, kissing the tip of his ear a final gentle kiss. - You've already dealt with it, my joy...
Astarion laughed, a sincere and ringing laugh of joy, and, still without unclasping their hands, led his consort to dance.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
So many great points. About the passionate connection with AA, yes, I believe it's much more than just that. They become deeply bonded – sharing each other's blood, giving everything to one another, sharing an everlasting bond, literally until the end of the world (just like he says). This requires an immense amount of trust. I would also describe that as being a love/bond that goes way beyond the ordinary; fusion is a good word to use to describe this, especially after the vampire bride ritual. The vampire bride now has a part of his essence. How it feels to me is the two of them don't really need anyone else in their life, except for each other.
Yes, that's right! They are completely happy dissolving into each other, complementing and filling each other. The vampire and his bride have a mental connection, they can mentally communicate, just like with the tadpole before, only they don't need any tadpole for that. If one of them feels some very strong emotion, the other will automatically feel it too. Fear, pain, threat - and will be able to quickly come to the rescue, before the first one calls for help, while feeling where he is. Well, they don't go far away from each other anyway. Joy, love, pleasure - this will also be felt by the other, and it can be shared, as if doubling and multiplying these feelings. Emotional and spiritual merging is a greater pleasure than just physical intimacy. And with physical intimacy under such circumstances, with the ability to feel what your partner feels, it's probably just something fantastic, inaccessible to ordinary mortals, unless they are powerful psionics. Maybe I'm fantasizing a lot, but it seems to me that the bond between a vampire and his bride would develop and strengthen just like that.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Very interesting about the different concepts under trauma in ancient times. Revenge often tends to be seen by people as something that has a negative connotation, but I can see it as a part of the healing / empowerment process for Astarion as well. There is not only one set path to achieve this for him.
Healing and empowerment - that's very well said. Healing on a physical level as well - Astarion no longer suffers from any of the problems associated with vampirism, he gets only the bonuses of it. He is no longer dependent on anyone, he doesn't have to adjust to anyone, he becomes the complete master of his destiny.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
That hits really hard, thinking about how his senses are dulled after the tadpole is removed. I personally don't want to play a character who influences him into not doing the ritual. The whole time he wants to do the ritual and he doesn't change his mind when the time comes to do it. I would feel guilty about playing a part in him losing out on so much that he could have gained. The ritual was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that he will now never get again. I wouldn't be happy about this. I see the Ascendant route as Astarion staying true to who he always was - and now he really gets to indulge and enjoy the full range of his emotions and pleasure and everything else in the world. "Tasting everything that Faerun has to offer."
Because the tadpole brought him to life, awakening his senses. An Astarion spawn with a tadpole is completely different from a regular vampire spawn. Aside from the sun, after getting rid of the tadpole, Astarion will no longer be able to taste, he can only drink blood, but he will feel vampire hunger. In fact, hunger is the only problem the tadpole didn't fix, so the disappearance of constant hunger is the first thing Astarion felt after Ascension. The spawn's emotions are also blunted. The undead odor will also return. I, too, when I played with the Unascended Astarion, felt guilt and furious helplessness, from the impossibility to fix anything, I couldn't finish the game and I don't want to, I'd rather watch a video than mock my Astarion and myself in my game. This may sound silly, but I have a special affinity for “my†Astarion. I love learning his character and watching his different reactions and videos of him, but “my†Astarion on the PC in my house was born to love him. So no matter what the roleplay is, other decisions I may make may be different, but with Astarion I still have the same decisions and the same lines in many places.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Hehe, it was a happy accident in my case. I think I forgot to turn off non-lethal damage.^^; And then got this as an interesting "reward." I think it ties in really well with some of Jaheira's lines (during the game you can ask her if Bhaalspawn can have children; then during the epilogue, she mentions the subject again).
Awesome! I first discovered non-lethal damage when I encountered hostile gremishka in the game. They look a lot like cats (well, cats are cats in general, monster cats) and figuring out about non-lethal damage for their sake helped a lot in many other places. For example, fighting Viconia, even though it's a completely different Viconia from the one that traveled with me in BG2, but still killing my old friend wouldn't have been fun at all.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I love how happy he is that he can finally admire himself again after ascension. He really looked upset during the mirror scene, thinking about how his reflection was another thing that he's lost. He does seem so satisfied after you cheer him up. And I like the way he says, "Veeerry good," if you say something that pleases him. Lol
Yeah, love that line! And admiring Astarion's narcissism is a special thrill.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Agree with your thoughts. It's easy to forget that Astarion also takes a leap of faith here. He doesn't just turn you into a spawn, you're basically getting married during the turning night. You're precious to him, his favorite person in the world (I personally think that's what he means by "You are my favorite"), his treasure. He means it when he says he wants to share it all with you (until the world falls down). Yes I love how he says "Hello, my sweet little spawn." There's something special about how he says that hello.
Hehehe, it makes me want to cuddle up to him and purr afterwards. I have never met in any game such devotion from a beloved companion and such a strong attachment.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Thank you! And that's a clever workaround! Why didn't I think to make him bite me instead? >< But yeah, it feels like it's really easy to miss out on the "Feed on me" dialogue option.
Astarion bit all the companions in my game, just for fun. Just don't bite Gale, he's toxic, he makes Astarion sick!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Consorts are so creative. <3 This is just too cute! We're creating a whole book about Scel and Jr.'s adventures.
I love children's mischief and little hooligans! I used to sometimes think, I wonder what an adorable mischievous little prankster elf Astarion must have been when he was little? Knowing his character... That might be embodied in his son.
Yeah, everything's fine, I was just on vacation. I was very happy to hear that they're definitely going to fix our kissing facial expressions. *consorthug*
I'm glad to hear that. Yes, it's so nice not to have to look like that anymore.
Originally Posted by Marielle
- Yeah, Scel! Come on! It'll be fun... - Astarion Jr. grinned predatorily, rubbing his little hands together, wrinkled his nose, checked his fangs (they were in place) and, grabbing Sceleritas by the arm, dragged him outside. After exposing his face to the morning sun, he squinted contentedly, laughed, and turned into a small bat. Sceleritas in invisibility followed him. In the square, the herald was climbing the platform, preparing to read an announcement to the small number of gathered citizens.
- Aha... - the bat took out a scroll of illusion spell from his inventory (as we remember, Astarion and Dark Urge had magical pockets through which they could transfer items to each other and carried a great number of useful things in their inventories, so it's not surprising that their son inherited this ability as well). He applied the illusion to the scroll in the herald's hand and...
The herald unfolded a sheet of paper and began to read out:
- Citizens of Baldur! This week, the city council decreed that everyone, from small to large, must wear their pants backwards! Honorable citizens, nobles and merchants must wear gold pantaloons on their heads only! No pantaloons - no head! Taxes will now be paid with live mice! The mice are to be brought in sacks to Baldur's bank and released without waiting for their turn. W-what? - The herald turned pale, hiccupped, and looked around at the bewildered townspeople.
- Finally, these stupid lords have come up with something good! My pants are tattered anyway, they can be changed backwards either way...†came from the back rows, and then from there came the shouts of a lady who had become an unwilling spectator of the process of changing the pants backwards. - Hey, Joe, let's go get some mice, we've got a barn full of them, at least we won't have to pay those assholes any money!
The bat chuckled and flew onward. At the marketplace, he used his magic hand spell to reach into the thief's pocket, took out a lockpick, and in return he put a love note from a noble lady with a meeting place. The lord from whom he took it, the kid put a rotten tomato, which perfectly matched his fancy suit. He cracked the cellar of a tavern with a lockpick, letting in a group of sad, hung-over alcoholics and three cats. Then, Ast Jr. scared the pigeons, the pigeons scared the dozing guard by hitting him with their wings, the guard's cry scared the thief, the thief recoiled from his victim and stamped on the foot of the editor of Baldur's Mouth Gazette. The editor of the Baldur's Mouth Gazette, cursing, waddled back to the print shop to scare the townspeople with the bad news.
Does Jelliwig, Dolly Thrice's friend, still work there?
Once Jr. found the bell and kept calling the poor Dolly Thrice. At first she let the cheeky little guy get away with it, but after the tenth time she was annoyed. "Be happy that we Pixies haven't killed children for a long time. When your mom comes, look at her happily with your pretty face and tell her that the Pixie rewarded you just like your Mommy did back then. If you're really good now and if you leave Dolly Thrice alone, she will definitely show you your reward. Give her a nice greeting from Dolly Dolly Dolly, but she will know that I was here."
With that, Dolly Thrice disappeared and the little prince is excitedly waiting for his mommy to show him his reward.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Oh how convenient. The one time he talks is when he wants to get us in trouble. *eyeroll* I guess Sceleritas didn't even do anything wrong, if they can't die anyway. Maybe they'll even learn a life lesson about standing too close to chasms.
Sceleritas sees it the same way. It's not his fault, why is Doni standing there?
He doesn't want to be punished by the Dark Urge again because he was nice, even Sceleritas immediately gets sick. "Master, please kill me just for thinking I could be nice."
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Sadly, Sceleritas was found face-down floating in one of the bloodlakes the next morning (no worries, he will revive soon, feeling refreshed and full of fresh new ideas)
Sceleritas looks much better afterwards, he almost thinks Astarion might be right about his wellness spa. Bhaal still won't like this idea... and who will have to pay for it? Poor Sceleritas of course!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Thank you darling. hug Your ideas are so fun and inspiring.
We inspire each other
The underwear problem is now solved, so I can move on to the next thing.
If we want to play together with Patch 7, we definitely need a lot more glitter, perfume mist, pink bombs... and dance battles!!! lol
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Poor Doni went through stress and learned to talk. It's a good thing they can't die. I remember in the Witcher 3 game, you could accidentally kill a cat in combat - they would run underfoot and random damage would go through them. It was horrible - after a difficult battle and defeating an enemy to see two cat corpses lying on the ground. I restarted and agonized over how to somehow lure the enemy away to where cats don't run. It's a good thing that in BG3 they reinsured and made the kids immortal for such cases. By the way, in BG3 I didn't have a single instance where I ever killed someone randomly who I didn't intend to kill.
Yes I understand, I would reload a fight to save an animal or person I didn't intend to kill. In DOS2 I spent some time moving little rabbits out of an area so that they wouldn't accidentally get killed during a fight there. In BG3 I reloaded the circus fight a few times when any of the bystanders got killed. But yes, I don't remember anyone getting randomly killed by me on accident in BG3. I think it is a good thing overall, but then there are a few instances where they can still be killed by other characters.
Originally Posted by Sini
Sceleritas sees it the same way. It's not his fault, why is Doni standing there? He doesn't want to be punished by the Dark Urge again because he was nice, even Sceleritas immediately gets sick. "Master, please kill me just for thinking I could be nice."
Sceleritas feels so bad about this that he runs off and buries himself in the garden as punishment. Dark Urge is confused, not realizing what Scel. even felt so bad about in the first place.
Originally Posted by Marielle
The blood has a rejuvenating effect, Sceleritas has fewer wrinkles and is more refreshed.
Lol. Vampire facial for the whole body.^^
Originally Posted by Sini
Sceleritas looks much better afterwards, he almost thinks Astarion might be right about his wellness spa. Bhaal still won't like this idea... and who will have to pay for it? Poor Sceleritas of course!
Aww the way you write Sceleritas as a character, you make him sound so endearing. I feel for the poor guy when I'm seeing things from his point of view.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Mmmm, it's nice to be around such an Astarion, “You just relax now and let me take care of itâ€... Rare man, DU is very lucky to have him... <3
Dark Urge sits down at Astarion's right hand, smiles placatingly, and whispers affectionately in his ear:
- How good I feel next to you, my love... I feel I have nothing to fear anymore.
Astarion took her hand and intertwined their fingers tightly:
- My powers grow stronger every day, I can protect you from any threat. What were you afraid of before? - Astarion squinted his eyes and furrowed his brow, as if preparing to deal with some unseen threat.
- The existential emptiness associated with the absence of determinate values. - Dark Urge whispered in his ear, kissing the tip of his ear a final gentle kiss. - You've already dealt with it, my joy...
Astarion laughed, a sincere and ringing laugh of joy, and, still without unclasping their hands, led his consort to dance.
Yes I think Dark Urge is very lucky to have someone who is so unwavering in his devotion. All he really wants is for you to be by his side, and he would do whatever he can do keep you there. I believe you are the first person he's ever really loved, let alone to that extent. I think they're both very lucky to have each other; they both understand what it's like to walk a dark and lonely path under the thumb of someone controlling their actions. They find comfort and understanding in each other in a unique way that they couldn't quite get with anyone else. And imagine what a good dancer Astarion must be! I'm hoping we get to have a lovely dark waltz with him in the palace at some point. <3
Originally Posted by Marielle
Yes, that's right! They are completely happy dissolving into each other, complementing and filling each other. The vampire and his bride have a mental connection, they can mentally communicate, just like with the tadpole before, only they don't need any tadpole for that. If one of them feels some very strong emotion, the other will automatically feel it too. Fear, pain, threat - and will be able to quickly come to the rescue, before the first one calls for help, while feeling where he is. Well, they don't go far away from each other anyway. Joy, love, pleasure - this will also be felt by the other, and it can be shared, as if doubling and multiplying these feelings. Emotional and spiritual merging is a greater pleasure than just physical intimacy. And with physical intimacy under such circumstances, with the ability to feel what your partner feels, it's probably just something fantastic, inaccessible to ordinary mortals, unless they are powerful psionics. Maybe I'm fantasizing a lot, but it seems to me that the bond between a vampire and his bride would develop and strengthen just like that.
I think this is a poignant and beautiful way to describe the union/connection between them. The true depth of this feeling would be supernatural or otherworldly to us. My impression of their bond is one where they become so intertwined, to the point where it would just be pure agony for one to live without the other. That would be another reason why they always want/need to keep an eye on each other and protect one another from any threat. "All of this would be nothing without you."
Originally Posted by Marielle
Because the tadpole brought him to life, awakening his senses. An Astarion spawn with a tadpole is completely different from a regular vampire spawn. Aside from the sun, after getting rid of the tadpole, Astarion will no longer be able to taste, he can only drink blood, but he will feel vampire hunger. In fact, hunger is the only problem the tadpole didn't fix, so the disappearance of constant hunger is the first thing Astarion felt after Ascension. The spawn's emotions are also blunted. The undead odor will also return. I, too, when I played with the Unascended Astarion, felt guilt and furious helplessness, from the impossibility to fix anything, I couldn't finish the game and I don't want to, I'd rather watch a video than mock my Astarion and myself in my game. This may sound silly, but I have a special affinity for “my†Astarion. I love learning his character and watching his different reactions and videos of him, but “my†Astarion on the PC in my house was born to love him. So no matter what the roleplay is, other decisions I may make may be different, but with Astarion I still have the same decisions and the same lines in many places.
I do not think it's silly at all, I think we all have "our" own versions of Astarion (or whoever we romance) or interpretations of him to complement our character and our unique motivations. As long as we're happy in the end is what I think is important. Yes, I agree. I don't like that I have to feel guilt (or that I get told that I should feel guilt) for finally freeing Astarion from the torment of that eternal hunger, and allowing him to live again. Because I hate the thought of making him live an eternity as numb and suffering from the hunger. The things he did while under Cazador's control were not his own sins and I wouldn't want to see him punished for what he had no power over. Alongside all of that, the romance with AA feels more substantial to me and more complete than UA -- that was my experience.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Hehehe, it makes me want to cuddle up to him and purr afterwards. I have never met in any game such devotion from a beloved companion and such a strong attachment.
Yes, to me it is really the best dark romance I've ever played. Not sure if there's any I can think of that even come close to it. Good ones of this quality seem to be very few and far between.
Originally Posted by Marielle
I love children's mischief and little hooligans! I used to sometimes think, I wonder what an adorable mischievous little prankster elf Astarion must have been when he was little? Knowing his character... That might be embodied in his son.
I love the way that you bring his mischievous little self to life! All the little details you add, his expressiveness, and how sweetly precocious he is. He's for sure a little Astarion and so precious! You can just feel how energetic he is and how much fun he's having bringing all the chaos to his surroundings. It's so lovely and such a pleasure to read!<3
Originally Posted by Sini
We inspire each other
The underwear problem is now solved, so I can move on to the next thing.
If we want to play together with Patch 7, we definitely need a lot more glitter, perfume mist, pink bombs... and dance battles!!! lol
Sceleritas is already hard at work with all the preparations.^^ He's also practicing his best death stare while dancing. I can't wait to see what new clothes he's stitching together for us.
Short video with two of my favorite Astarion banters/quotes:
1. "No doubt they found me too intimidating." (Banter with Lae'zel at the creche. I like his self-confidence here^^) 2. "Call all the friends you want, bird! It won't save you." (Loaded an old save. First time ever hearing him say this )
The way that Astarion says "It won't save you" sounds the same to me as how Orin says this line in Act 3.
Yes I understand, I would reload a fight to save an animal or person I didn't intend to kill. In DOS2 I spent some time moving little rabbits out of an area so that they wouldn't accidentally get killed during a fight there. In BG3 I reloaded the circus fight a few times when any of the bystanders got killed. But yes, I don't remember anyone getting randomly killed by me on accident in BG3. I think it is a good thing overall, but then there are a few instances where they can still be killed by other characters.
Sceleritas feels so bad about this that he runs off and buries himself in the garden as punishment. Dark Urge is confused, not realizing what Scel. even felt so bad about in the first place.
How am I supposed to explain something like that to Bhaal *sigh*... I'm more morally flexible, but I never kill Scratch and the owlbear cub. I also hate killing Bex & Danis. I would have to test whether I can knock them out in Act 2 and then put them in the inventory to put them in a safe place ... something like that. Trying to save all the Tieflings before I kill
Isobel
...sounds like a challenge.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Aww the way you write Sceleritas as a character, you make him sound so endearing. I feel for the poor guy when I'm seeing things from his point of view.
Because I know his voice and how he speaks and what he says, I can put myself in his shoes.
I always imagine that I have to write text as if tiny Sceleritas would say it. As an unworthy but absolutely loyal and unprincipled servant, he doesn't want to upset his beloved and revered master, even if he gives him bad news. He feels honored to die by his hand and do any menial work for his master.
For me it also works with Astarion by adding as many actually unimportant details as possible.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I do not think it's silly at all, I think we all have "our" own versions of Astarion (or whoever we romance) or interpretations of him to complement our character and our unique motivations. As long as we're happy in the end is what I think is important. Yes, I agree. I don't like that I have to feel guilt (or that I get told that I should feel guilt) for finally freeing Astarion from the torment of that eternal hunger, and allowing him to live again. Because I hate the thought of making him live an eternity as numb and suffering from the hunger. The things he did while under Cazador's control were not his own sins and I wouldn't want to see him punished for what he had no power over. Alongside all of that, the romance with AA feels more substantial to me and more complete than UA -- that was my experience.
That's the only crucial point, we should all have fun playing the game. Who wants to judge what is wrong or right about my playing style or from which perspective or motivation I prefer certain things.
The game allows many different perspectives on certain situations.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
2. "Call all the friends you want, bird! It won't save you." (Loaded an old save. First time ever hearing him say this hahaha)
I haven't heard that before, I'll have to trigger it lol
Btw trigger ...Was anyone able to trigger this scene with Astarion after patch 6? If so, under what conditions? I've tried different ways but this choice just doesn't come up. If it has disappeared or been bugged, it should definitely find its way back into the game.
Last edited by Sini; 24/07/2402:30 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Does Jelliwig, Dolly Thrice's friend, still work there?
Once Jr. found the bell and kept calling the poor Dolly Thrice. At first she let the cheeky little guy get away with it, but after the tenth time she was annoyed. "Be happy that we Pixies haven't killed children for a long time. When your mom comes, look at her happily with your pretty face and tell her that the Pixie rewarded you just like your Mommy did back then. If you're really good now and if you leave Dolly Thrice alone, she will definitely show you your reward. Give her a nice greeting from Dolly Dolly Dolly, but she will know that I was here."
With that, Dolly Thrice disappeared and the little prince is excitedly waiting for his mommy to show him his reward.
Suddenly, something landed beside the prince, apparently jumping from the nearest fence, and mewed in displeasure. The huge black cat shook off the dust, stretched, yawned, and headed down the road toward the market.
- Kitty, kitty, kitty... - Ast Jr. reached for this imposing furry stranger with a smile.
- You say to me, “Kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty,†but you do it without respect. - The cat turned around, stopped and sat down opposite the Little Prince, keeping a watchful eye on him with his cunning green eyes.
- Uh...†The little boy froze in surprise with his hand outstretched in the air. - Well, I wanted to pet you... Ahem... Ahem. Allow me to introduce myself, Astarion II, son of Lord Astarion I and his consort, Lady Dark Urge. May I offer you a promenade, or invite you to dinner at the castle? There's a soiree tonight that will be attended by some of the most... prestigious people in the city. - The boy stuck his nose up, proud of how beautifully he could introduce himself and mimicking his father's trademark grin.
- Dinner, pur-mur-mur... Noble faces, expensive shoes... I have not yet had the honor of sending my natural needs into expensive shoes... It's a worthwhile proposition, I'll think about it. - The black cat tilted his head to the side and began to actively scratch his ear with his hind paw, it seemed to symbolize his thought process. - Look, Prince Astarion, is the flea still there? These little creatures have gotten cocky.
The heir leaned toward the cat.
- Nah, I don't see it...
- Uh-huh. It's on my paw, I clawed it. That's what you should do to them, you know?
The boy nodded seriously. He saw no reason to do anything differently with the fleas yet.
- Do you want to be my partner? Do you want to be a loyal henchman of the predatory, dangerous and ruthless Murrleone? Then tell me, what are you capable of?
- I can bite, I can turn into a bat, I can spit out of a tube, more...
- Hush, hush... - the cat raised his paw, stopping the Little Prince from enumerating his virtues. - Biting is a good thing. I respect that too. But without claws, - Murrleone abruptly released the claws on his raised paw, showing them off in all their glory. - Biting would be wasted labor.
The boy stared slightly disappointedly at his fingers with their neat aristocratic manicure.
- A bat will do, you can infiltrate the ranks of the enemy and give them a wonderful prank... - the cat with a snide chuckle, rubbed his front paws together, - But not a bat, better a regular mouse, these primitive idiots do not like those who stand out and fly too high, they will start laughing at you, and the operation will fall apart.
- But I'm a vampire... Vampires turn into bats, not regular mice... - Ast Junior widened his eyes in surprise.
- Vampire? Do you know how to scratch furniture? Scratch it to shreds? And how to scream at night so everyone comes out cursing at you? Vampires, from what I hear, hunt at night. And I like to hunt at night. And then scream. No, don't think I'm asking for anything from anyone, - Murrleone made a skeptical face and waved his paw dismissively, - this world has been rotten for a long time. Don't believe, don't be afraid, don't ask. - The cat looked at the boy with the look of a weary sage. - Yelling should be for pleasure, for self-expression. Yell in a way that no one likes it.
- And how do you yell so that no one likes it? - the little boy squatted down and stared attentively at the cat.
- Well, I'll teach you. - Murrleone sucked in a deep breath of air with his nose and pressed his ears against his head, - MYA-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-U!
Poor Dolly Thrice jumped out into the street again with terror on her face. The guard dog from the neighboring house whined and hid in his box. The pigeons synchronously pooped on Balduran's statue. The little prince jumped and clapped his hands in joy.
- Awesome! Awesome, awesome, come on, come on, come on, come on! Come on, let's go to the castle, I'll tell mom and dad I invited a real bard to dinner, not like those boring bards and their incessant howling! Hooray!
Originally Posted by Sini
He doesn't want to be punished by the Dark Urge again because he was nice, even Sceleritas immediately gets sick. "Master, please kill me just for thinking I could be nice."
“Sceleritas is bad!†- The little boy said in a confident voice, patting Sceleritas on the shoulder, trying his best to justify his playmate. “He's really bad! He brought a cat into the castle, the cat ripped up the wallpaper and ate all the food off the table, left and promised to come back! You can't bring home cats, Sceleritas, you're no nice at all!â€
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Yes I think Dark Urge is very lucky to have someone who is so unwavering in his devotion. All he really wants is for you to be by his side, and he would do whatever he can do keep you there. I believe you are the first person he's ever really loved, let alone to that extent. I think they're both very lucky to have each other; they both understand what it's like to walk a dark and lonely path under the thumb of someone controlling their actions. They find comfort and understanding in each other in a unique way that they couldn't quite get with anyone else. And imagine what a good dancer Astarion must be! I'm hoping we get to have a lovely dark waltz with him in the palace at some point. <3
Yes, it's such a happiness! <3 Astarion will never betray or abandon, they can both be themselves around each other, understanding and accepting each other real.
Oh, maybe with the new modding tools after patch 7, Astarion can add Will's dance, that would be so cool!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I think this is a poignant and beautiful way to describe the union/connection between them. The true depth of this feeling would be supernatural or otherworldly to us. My impression of their bond is one where they become so intertwined, to the point where it would just be pure agony for one to live without the other. That would be another reason why they always want/need to keep an eye on each other and protect one another from any threat. "All of this would be nothing without you."
“All of this would be nothing without you.†- truth. It's like a title, or like an epigraph for the whole Astarion romance. And that to live one without the other would be pure agony. I've always been annoyed by this: “When you ask for freedom, Astarion will blah, blah, blah...†What, in the name of all the devils of hell, freedom? It's like: “When your character jumps from the highest roof upside down...†In the case of the roof, at least it won't hurt as much. They're happy together and they're both watching out for each other. <3
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Yes, I agree. I don't like that I have to feel guilt (or that I get told that I should feel guilt) for finally freeing Astarion from the torment of that eternal hunger, and allowing him to live again. Because I hate the thought of making him live an eternity as numb and suffering from the hunger. The things he did while under Cazador's control were not his own sins and I wouldn't want to see him punished for what he had no power over. Alongside all of that, the romance with AA feels more substantial to me and more complete than UA -- that was my experience.
We have nothing at all to owe anyone except our loved ones, and “you should feel guilty†- in real life these are the words of manipulators, something you should never fall for. “If you don't want to see my middle finger, put away your index finger†is a good saying to that effect. Of course, the game has nothing to do with reality, that's just me for the sake of example. I completely agree with you, and the only real guilt I will feel is if Astarion is forever suffering for being a spawn forever. If you purposely fail this manipulative persuasion check, which is needed to refuse the ritual, Astarion will tell you how he feels about it. Too bad I couldn't find a video on the subject, you could try it in game if you have a close save. And look at the look on his face during the ritual rejection scene.
He just looks plain exhausted and depressed in this scene. Even without the moment where he cries horribly painfully and bitterly. If you watch that scene frame by frame, honestly, it's far preferable for the Astarion-loving DU/Tav to unpack their BFG (“big f**king gunâ€, and every mighty hero has one, hehe ;)) and deal with any accusers with it (Gur is a great excuse to do that and appreciate the Ascendant's Bite). Because we can do that together with him...
And later like this...
The romance with UA in general feels more like some kind of friendship than true love.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Yes, to me it is really the best dark romance I've ever played. Not sure if there's any I can think of that even come close to it. Good ones of this quality seem to be very few and far between.
Yeah, there's no one better than Astarion. His movements, his facial expressions, his voice... I liked the romance with Daeran in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous a lot too, but Astarion hooked me much stronger.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I love the way that you bring his mischievous little self to life! All the little details you add, his expressiveness, and how sweetly precocious he is. He's for sure a little Astarion and so precious! You can just feel how energetic he is and how much fun he's having bringing all the chaos to his surroundings. It's so lovely and such a pleasure to read!<3
Thank you!!! <3
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Short video with two of my favorite Astarion banters/quotes:
1. "No doubt they found me too intimidating." (Banter with Lae'zel at the creche. I like his self-confidence here^^) 2. "Call all the friends you want, bird! It won't save you." (Loaded an old save. First time ever hearing him say this )
The way that Astarion says "It won't save you" sounds the same to me as how Orin says this line in Act 3.
Ha ha, he pronounces it “ bird†so cool! I think I'll attack that bird one time now, it's fun.
Originally Posted by Sini
Because I know his voice and how he speaks and what he says, I can put myself in his shoes.
I always imagine that I have to write text as if tiny Sceleritas would say it. As an unworthy but absolutely loyal and unprincipled servant, he doesn't want to upset his beloved and revered master, even if he gives him bad news. He feels honored to die by his hand and do any menial work for his master.
For me it also works with Astarion by adding as many actually unimportant details as possible.
Oh, your Sceleritas evokes genuine sympathy! He makes me want to take him in my arms and tell him that he's... very bad? Being nice is definitely not something he likes...
Originally Posted by Sini
What great dialog... I've never seen it before. Why, for the sake of getting it, do you have to necessarily start a relationship with Karlach, only to dump her for this dialog? It's so hard and unpleasant to flirt with someone other than Astarion, and I really don't want to do it. How I wish I could have these extra dialogs without any relationship with others, especially since if you take out the line about Karlach, his other lines would be perfect for talking to him about relationships, for example. “Still, if you insist on adoring me, then who am I to stop you?†- how this line would be great for a situation where Tav/Du, for example, rejects someone's advances, Astarion notices it, asks a question and you could say something like “I don't need anyone but youâ€. That dialog is something I'd really like to see in my game. Without Karlach. Sure, when you pick Astarion and get great dialog, that's great. But when you pick Astarion a priori, and are loyal to him from start to finish, you get... Nothing. That's not fair. Especially since the dialog is already written, they could have added it, just with some minor changes.
What great dialog... I've never seen it before. Why, for the sake of getting it, do you have to necessarily start a relationship with Karlach, only to dump her for this dialog? It's so hard and unpleasant to flirt with someone other than Astarion, and I really don't want to do it. How I wish I could have these extra dialogs without any relationship with others, especially since if you take out the line about Karlach, his other lines would be perfect for talking to him about relationships, for example. “Still, if you insist on adoring me, then who am I to stop you?†- how this line would be great for a situation where Tav/Du, for example, rejects someone's advances, Astarion notices it, asks a question and you could say something like “I don't need anyone but youâ€. That dialog is something I'd really like to see in my game. Without Karlach. Sure, when you pick Astarion and get great dialog, that's great. But when you pick Astarion a priori, and are loyal to him from start to finish, you get... Nothing. That's not fair. Especially since the dialog is already written, they could have added it, just with some minor changes.
Yes, I would have preferred to see this text in a different context. As you say, for example when you reject an offer from another companion. But I would be happy if this text were even possible again, just for that cute laugh when he regrets being in a relationship with you after just 5 seconds. For that I'll break Karlach's or Gale's heart straight away. As a Dark Urge, Gale isn't particularly compassionate when it comes to your heart.
More dialogue selection. This is the scene when you break up with Gale.
I assume this part is bugged.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Oh, your Sceleritas evokes genuine sympathy! He makes me want to take him in my arms and tell him that he's... very bad? Being nice is definitely not something he likes...
Sceleritas comes towards you with his bent but still full posture. His little red evil eyes stare at you.
“You must be Marielle.†There is a slightly contemptuous undertone in his voice. "My adorable and undoubtedly rotten mistress has asked me to inform you that she will answer you later about the little master's new adventures, which undoubtedly took place in this way."
Sceleritas' hat wobbles suspiciously and you hear a quiet voice: "Now let me finally see who it is, Sceleritas. Is this about me? Now stand still!" A small white nose with a little white fur becomes visible. "I swear to you, if I'm not allowed to see anything, then next time I won't go to the bathroom before I hide here." Sceleritas turns away and whispers "Not now my beloved little master... I'll pretend to lift my hat slightly." Sceleritas slightly adjusts his hat with one hand and turns back to you. Two tiny, bright red eyes now stare out from under the hat and watch everything closely.
"You're still standing here. There's nothing more here, I brought the message to my wonderful bloody mistress, don't thank me, that would be despicable. Come back when you have less time."
"Sceleritas... why is the lady looking at your hat? If she noticed something, then it's your fault!"
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Yes, I would have preferred to see this text in a different context. As you say, for example when you reject an offer from another companion. But I would be happy if this text were even possible again, just for that cute laugh when he regrets being in a relationship with you after just 5 seconds. For that I'll break Karlach's or Gale's heart straight away. As a Dark Urge, Gale isn't particularly compassionate when it comes to your heart.
Gale isn't particularly compassionate about Dark Urge? Yeah, Astarion's laugh is just adorable. <3
Originally Posted by Sini
More dialogue selection. This is the scene when you break up with Gale.
I assume this part is bugged.
Oh, yes, there is no doubt that Astarion was the obvious choice! After the discussion of a particular abandoned companion ends - the dialog matches. The dialog is great, Astarion also says, “Nothing that compares to you†in that tone of voice, and he has such an attentive gaze while doing so, it must be very satisfying. It's a shame that just for someone who fell in love with him and wouldn't look at anyone else, Astarion wouldn't have words like that. It's not that it would be a pity to offend Gale or Karlach - to start anything with them is not at all pleasing, and so breaks the roleplay and the story of the beginning of love for Astarion... Unfortunately, so much attention is paid to all these “love triangles†that they completely did not think about those players who love only one companion, and do not want to participate in this “geometryâ€. Although this relationship conversation scene could be added for this variant as well. Basically, only the beginning of the dialog changes, depending on which companion you rejected, just one line for the one who immediately rejected all the advances of the other party members, then the same dialog and that's it. That would be perfect! And fair, in terms of making interesting game content available to all players. Same with Halsin, by the way, if you accept his “offerâ€, there will be a dialog with Astarion, and Astarion will say that he noticed Halsin's feelings and he seems to be worried about it. I reject Halsin right away, I'm just disgusted to even verbally agree to such a thing, and Astarion doesn't care at all. Nothing he noticed, nothing bothered him, he was probably doing his manicure and not paying attention, lol. No, if there was even a line about him worrying about his manicure instead, that would make me very happy too.
But the bugs should hopefully be fixed.
Originally Posted by Sini
Sceleritas comes towards you with his bent but still full posture. His little red evil eyes stare at you.
“You must be Marielle.†There is a slightly contemptuous undertone in his voice. "My adorable and undoubtedly rotten mistress has asked me to inform you that she will answer you later about the little master's new adventures, which undoubtedly took place in this way."
Sceleritas' hat wobbles suspiciously and you hear a quiet voice: "Now let me finally see who it is, Sceleritas. Is this about me? Now stand still!" A small white nose with a little white fur becomes visible. "I swear to you, if I'm not allowed to see anything, then next time I won't go to the bathroom before I hide here." Sceleritas turns away and whispers "Not now my beloved little master... I'll pretend to lift my hat slightly." Sceleritas slightly adjusts his hat with one hand and turns back to you. Two tiny, bright red eyes now stare out from under the hat and watch everything closely.
"You're still standing here. There's nothing more here, I brought the message to my wonderful bloody mistress, don't thank me, that would be despicable. Come back when you have less time."
"Sceleritas... why is the lady looking at your hat? If she noticed something, then it's your fault!"
Oh thank you, that is so sweet and adorable! <3 And so touching - the white little nose and eyes from under the hat.... <33
“I don't thank you for the visit, my evil friend, but I will say it is devilishly inspiring!â€
The most affectionate smile and a wink toward the little ruby eyes.
Gale isn't particularly compassionate about Dark Urge? Yeah, Astarion's laugh is just adorable. <3
If you have a romance with Gale, he will leave you after talking to Gortash if it comes out that it was all your plan. His love for you can't have been particularly great, even if you are a "little lamb" Dark Urge who has forgotten everything and wants nothing to do with the previous life. I see Gale as a hypocrite. I'd rather be an "evil bastard" for Astarion, whom I freed with my plan. My Dark Urge always kills Gale.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Oh, yes, there is no doubt that Astarion was the obvious choice! After the discussion of a particular abandoned companion ends - the dialog matches. The dialog is great, Astarion also says, “Nothing that compares to you†in that tone of voice, and he has such an attentive gaze while doing so, it must be very satisfying. It's a shame that just for someone who fell in love with him and wouldn't look at anyone else, Astarion wouldn't have words like that. It's not that it would be a pity to offend Gale or Karlach - to start anything with them is not at all pleasing, and so breaks the roleplay and the story of the beginning of love for Astarion... Unfortunately, so much attention is paid to all these “love triangles†that they completely did not think about those players who love only one companion, and do not want to participate in this “geometryâ€. Although this relationship conversation scene could be added for this variant as well. Basically, only the beginning of the dialog changes, depending on which companion you rejected, just one line for the one who immediately rejected all the advances of the other party members, then the same dialog and that's it. That would be perfect! And fair, in terms of making interesting game content available to all players. Same with Halsin, by the way, if you accept his “offerâ€, there will be a dialog with Astarion, and Astarion will say that he noticed Halsin's feelings and he seems to be worried about it. I reject Halsin right away, I'm just disgusted to even verbally agree to such a thing, and Astarion doesn't care at all. Nothing he noticed, nothing bothered him, he was probably doing his manicure and not paying attention, lol. No, if there was even a line about him worrying about his manicure instead, that would make me very happy too.
But the bugs should hopefully be fixed.
I would also prefer it if this passage could be slightly modified if you reject the offer of other companions and choose Astarion. My Dark Urge is too evil for these companions, when I have them in the group, they complain constantly and I'm definitely not going to get any approval, flirting has already failed anyway. It doesn't fit into my game to flirt with them either. My Dark Urge has completely different things to worry about than flirting with everyone. My Dark Urge prefers to tease Astarion and be celebrated by Minthara.
We then all sit around the campfire and Astarion manicures our nails. One should not underestimate the value of well-groomed nails on the battlefield.
Originally Posted by Mariella
Oh thank you, that is so sweet and adorable! <3 And so touching - the white little nose and eyes from under the hat.... <33
“I don't thank you for the visit, my evil friend, but I will say it is devilishly inspiring!â€
The most affectionate smile and a wink toward the little ruby eyes.
Sceleritas' hat lifts up a little and the cute little white bat face looks carefully out from under it and looks after the waving lady. The little bat turns and lifts the hat further with its butt and then crawls out from under it to jump onto the hat.
"She looked delicious Sceleritas. I would have liked to bite her finger."
Last edited by Sini; 26/07/2411:41 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
If you have a romance with Gale, he will leave you after talking to Gortash if it comes out that it was all your plan. His love for you can't have been particularly great, even if you are a "little lamb" Dark Urge who has forgotten everything and wants nothing to do with the previous life. I see Gale as a hypocrite. I'd rather be an "evil bastard" for Astarion, whom I freed with my plan. My Dark Urge always kills Gale.
Interesting, Gale, it turns out, can betray his beloved. While he himself was betrayed and abandoned by Mystra, and continues to suffer and reminisce about her regularly (in a friendly walkthrough). I wasn't deeply interested in other people's romances, except for a few videos of major scenes for curiosity's sake, but it's interesting, and the romance reveals additional facets of the companion's character that you might not realize in a friendly walkthrough. I noticed the hypocrisy in him too, and without the romance. He wants to kick Astarion out of the camp after finding out he's a vampire, while walking around himself with a bomb in his chest and consuming artifacts. If you give Shadowheart to Viconia, Gale shows himself to be cruel and indifferent to her fate. He threatens to explode in the second chapter, you run around him, convince him not to do it, like, you persuaded him, but if Tav/Du agree that Gale should explode - he'll immediately backtrack, he doesn't want to do it at all, he wants to be a “selfless hero†who is persuaded (though he can sacrifice himself and blow up the Brain in the finale, I don't know how exactly it happens, I've only seen the epilogue with the results of this decision). And, of course, his line in the finale towards the unfortunate Astarion who wasn't given the Ascension. It's almost as if Gale takes pleasure in Astarion's vulnerability and pain. Gale does react adequately to the Ascension, though; he now seems wary of angering Astarion (“He can also be a dangerous adversaryâ€) and behaves politely (during the ritual itself, of course, yelling that he must not do so). I liked Gale at first as a companion - he's smart, he has interesting lines, but then I saw his cowardice, selfishness - I don't think these traits are bad in themselves, it's a consequence of survival instinct, but he's so moral, so eager to look good and behave accordingly, that as soon as “moral conceptsâ€, as it seems to him, allow, - the meanness comes out. Hypocrite is a very apt and succinct definition of his character. Astarion never betrays his beloved, no matter what decisions you make in the game's storyline.
Originally Posted by Sini
I would also prefer it if this passage could be slightly modified if you reject the offer of other companions and choose Astarion. My Dark Urge is too evil for these companions, when I have them in the group, they complain constantly and I'm definitely not going to get any approval, flirting has already failed anyway. It doesn't fit into my game to flirt with them either. My Dark Urge has completely different things to worry about than flirting with everyone. My Dark Urge prefers to tease Astarion and be celebrated by Minthara.
Especially since the romance with Astarion flares up quickly and suddenly (only Lae'zel tried to seduce me before Astarion, all the others are active later, when my character already has Astarion in his thoughts exclusively), and flirting with others when my character and Astarion are already making love, when we are already together, except that we haven't indicated the relationship in any way, others can't interest me in any way. With other companions whose intimacy comes later, perhaps flirting with two in the first chapter looks more appropriate and realistic, but not in a romance with Astarion. Minthara is the perfect friend for Dark Urge, I agree. Shadowheart is also a nice character as a friend, and there's a good battle pairing with Lae'zel, but Minthara is the best, definitely.
Originally Posted by Sini
Sceleritas' hat lifts up a little and the cute little white bat face looks carefully out from under it and looks after the waving lady. The little bat turns and lifts the hat further with its butt and then crawls out from under it to jump onto the hat.
"She looked delicious Sceleritas. I would have liked to bite her finger."
What a cutie... I would love to hand him a finger. And give him a kiss on the forehead while he bites... <3
Interesting, Gale, it turns out, can betray his beloved. While he himself was betrayed and abandoned by Mystra, and continues to suffer and reminisce about her regularly (in a friendly walkthrough). I wasn't deeply interested in other people's romances, except for a few videos of major scenes for curiosity's sake, but it's interesting, and the romance reveals additional facets of the companion's character that you might not realize in a friendly walkthrough. I noticed the hypocrisy in him too, and without the romance. He wants to kick Astarion out of the camp after finding out he's a vampire, while walking around himself with a bomb in his chest and consuming artifacts. If you give Shadowheart to Viconia, Gale shows himself to be cruel and indifferent to her fate. He threatens to explode in the second chapter, you run around him, convince him not to do it, like, you persuaded him, but if Tav/Du agree that Gale should explode - he'll immediately backtrack, he doesn't want to do it at all, he wants to be a “selfless hero†who is persuaded (though he can sacrifice himself and blow up the Brain in the finale, I don't know how exactly it happens, I've only seen the epilogue with the results of this decision). And, of course, his line in the finale towards the unfortunate Astarion who wasn't given the Ascension. It's almost as if Gale takes pleasure in Astarion's vulnerability and pain. Gale does react adequately to the Ascension, though; he now seems wary of angering Astarion (“He can also be a dangerous adversaryâ€) and behaves politely (during the ritual itself, of course, yelling that he must not do so). I liked Gale at first as a companion - he's smart, he has interesting lines, but then I saw his cowardice, selfishness - I don't think these traits are bad in themselves, it's a consequence of survival instinct, but he's so moral, so eager to look good and behave accordingly, that as soon as “moral conceptsâ€, as it seems to him, allow, - the meanness comes out. Hypocrite is a very apt and succinct definition of his character. Astarion never betrays his beloved, no matter what decisions you make in the game's storyline.
I see Gale as more of the type who won't hesitate to betray you and your group if it serves his own power. Of course Astarion and I would do something like that in a heartbeat, so I take out Gale early. Gale is not a good romance for a Dark Urge. If you go the evil path, you only have Astarion and Minthara to choose from anyway, they will follow this path with you until the end. And yes, I'll betray everyone except Astarion or Minthara.
Gale as a god is so boring that he even annoys Tara and his mother. If the story continues there at some point, I think Gale will come to a bad end.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Especially since the romance with Astarion flares up quickly and suddenly (only Lae'zel tried to seduce me before Astarion, all the others are active later, when my character already has Astarion in his thoughts exclusively), and flirting with others when my character and Astarion are already making love, when we are already together, except that we haven't indicated the relationship in any way, others can't interest me in any way. With other companions whose intimacy comes later, perhaps flirting with two in the first chapter looks more appropriate and realistic, but not in a romance with Astarion. Minthara is the perfect friend for Dark Urge, I agree. Shadowheart is also a nice character as a friend, and there's a good battle pairing with Lae'zel, but Minthara is the best, definitely.
If I take the good path, Lae'zel is the first (although Lae'zel also tends to prefer evil answers and actions), if I go the evil path, Astarion is the first to make me an immoral offer, which I reject. If I go the evil route, most of the companions won't live long enough to flirt with. At the point in Act 2 to trigger this scene with Astarion, only Shadowheart and possibly Wyll are still alive besides Astarion,
if I didn't sacrifice Wyll to Boooal. I don't get any approval from Wyll anyway and Shadowheart doesn't offer me a romance until after Nightsong. This will probably be almost too late for Astarion, I'm not sure if I'll be able to kill Yurgir by then. The blood dealer is no longer in Moonrise Tower at this point and should therefore not be present in act 3 either. I would have to test whether it is possible to trigger this scene via Shadowheart with Yurgir without a long rest.
Pretty complicated. ^^
Originally Posted by Marielle
What a cutie... I would love to hand him a finger. And give him a kiss on the forehead while he bites... <3
"She'll definitely come back, my little bloodthirsty master."
"Definitely Sceleritas, I hypnotized her with my gaze and manipulated her thoughts. When she comes back, she should bring me blood candies. I paid close attention when Dad showed me what to do. Nothing can go wrong. " The little bat smiles crookedly and shows his tiny vampire teeth.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
I see Gale as more of the type who won't hesitate to betray you and your group if it serves his own power. Of course Astarion and I would do something like that in a heartbeat, so I take out Gale early. Gale is not a good romance for a Dark Urge. If you go the evil path, you only have Astarion and Minthara to choose from anyway, they will follow this path with you until the end. And yes, I'll betray everyone except Astarion or Minthara.
Gale as a god is so boring that he even annoys Tara and his mother. If the story continues there at some point, I think Gale will come to a bad end.
I want to romance Minthara in Astarion Origins, but I won't start that until patch 7 (I was warned about bugs in Astarion Origins, I'd rather wait). She responds so perfectly to Ascension, she's the only one who supports you, and is generally an intelligent and strong woman who has been through a lot herself. Minthara is the only one suitable as a romantic partner for Astarion in his Origin. And make a Guardian for him with my character's face. Until it's revealed that it's actually the Emperor, this will be fun.
In my playthrough, Gale was too lazy to become a god, he didn't take the crown at all. He became a professor at the university. In this case, he'll probably end up... with nothing. He'll just teach until he retires. And complain about the students.
Originally Posted by Sini
At the point in Act 2 to trigger this scene with Astarion, only Shadowheart and possibly Wyll are still alive besides Astarion,
if I didn't sacrifice Wyll to Boooal. I don't get any approval from Wyll anyway and Shadowheart doesn't offer me a romance until after Nightsong. This will probably be almost too late for Astarion, I'm not sure if I'll be able to kill Yurgir by then. The blood dealer is no longer in Moonrise Tower at this point and should therefore not be present in act 3 either. I would have to test whether it is possible to trigger this scene via Shadowheart with Yurgir without a long rest.
Pretty complicated. ^^
It's kind of interesting to see if that can happen.
Originally Posted by Sini
"She'll definitely come back, my little bloodthirsty master."
"Definitely Sceleritas, I hypnotized her with my gaze and manipulated her thoughts. When she comes back, she should bring me blood candies. I paid close attention when Dad showed me what to do. Nothing can go wrong. " The little bat smiles crookedly and shows his tiny vampire teeth.
The crooked smile with the little fangs on the little bat's snout is the perfect portrait of the ultimate “sinister cutenessâ€. <3
“A little gift for the most adorable little vampire on Faerûn! Yep, there he is, the most adorable little vampire! Now he's in risk of becoming the candiest little vampire as well!†- a bag of blood candies as tall as Sceleritas (and two Sceleritas as thick) appears in front of the little bat. Either Sceleritas will have to carry all the unfinished candy on his back, or... I hope that with the Ascended Vampire's regenerations, the little guy can eat that much candy without it hurting the whiteness of his sharp little fangs.
What great dialog... I've never seen it before. Why, for the sake of getting it, do you have to necessarily start a relationship with Karlach, only to dump her for this dialog? It's so hard and unpleasant to flirt with someone other than Astarion, and I really don't want to do it. How I wish I could have these extra dialogs without any relationship with others, especially since if you take out the line about Karlach, his other lines would be perfect for talking to him about relationships, for example. “Still, if you insist on adoring me, then who am I to stop you?†- how this line would be great for a situation where Tav/Du, for example, rejects someone's advances, Astarion notices it, asks a question and you could say something like “I don't need anyone but youâ€. That dialog is something I'd really like to see in my game. Without Karlach. Sure, when you pick Astarion and get great dialog, that's great. But when you pick Astarion a priori, and are loyal to him from start to finish, you get... Nothing. That's not fair. Especially since the dialog is already written, they could have added it, just with some minor changes. (...)Unfortunately, so much attention is paid to all these “love triangles†that they completely did not think about those players who love only one companion, and do not want to participate in this “geometryâ€.
Very much in agreement with this. I would have really appreciated if we were rewarded with a special dialogue or scene with him to acknowledge that we never started relationships with any other character, nor slept/flirted with anyone else. That same thought has crossed my mind more than once while playing the game. It almost feels like you're expected to experiment and flirt around, and you get some extra dialogues that way, but there's little to no reactivity if you remain faithful to your chosen partner from the beginning. Especially when it comes to Astarion, who is already a bit fragile and tentative when it comes to relationships, due to his past (I believe someone mentioned that Shadowheart even acknowledges this if you choose him over her in a love triangle early on). I just didn't want to flirt with other characters once I've decided on who I wanted to romance in the game.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Oh, maybe with the new modding tools after patch 7, Astarion can add Will's dance, that would be so cool!
This looks so nice - I think it fits really well to Astarion. He's probably learned a lot of ballroom style dances throughout his life.^^ He would have a lot to teach my Durge about this elegant lifestyle.
Originally Posted by Marielle
"All of this would be nothing without you.†- truth. It's like a title, or like an epigraph for the whole Astarion romance. And that to live one without the other would be pure agony. I've always been annoyed by this: “When you ask for freedom, Astarion will blah, blah, blah...†What, in the name of all the devils of hell, freedom? It's like: “When your character jumps from the highest roof upside down...†In the case of the roof, at least it won't hurt as much. They're happy together and they're both watching out for each other. <3
I love the epilogue dialogue with AA. Even the "Freedom" dialogue doesn't bother me. All I see is that he says he wants me to live the very best life (what he thinks is the best life). The only thing I'm still missing is being able to kiss him there. We should be able to ask for a kiss and/or hug from him if he's our partner, like you can with the other romanced companions. I can even hug Shadowheart and Halsin in the epilogue as just friends. By the time we get here, it has been a long time since we're able to share affection with our partner imo. As you've mentioned, they could simply use an older kiss animation here so no extra work would be required. It shouldn't be hard to add it, and it seems unfair for him to be the only one that doesn't have that option.
Originally Posted by Marielle
We have nothing at all to owe anyone except our loved ones, and “you should feel guilty†- in real life these are the words of manipulators, something you should never fall for. “If you don't want to see my middle finger, put away your index finger†is a good saying to that effect. Of course, the game has nothing to do with reality, that's just me for the sake of example. I completely agree with you, and the only real guilt I will feel is if Astarion is forever suffering for being a spawn forever. If you purposely fail this manipulative persuasion check, which is needed to refuse the ritual, Astarion will tell you how he feels about it. Too bad I couldn't find a video on the subject, you could try it in game if you have a close save. And look at the look on his face during the ritual rejection scene.
He just looks plain exhausted and depressed in this scene. Even without the moment where he cries horribly painfully and bitterly. If you watch that scene frame by frame, honestly, it's far preferable for the Astarion-loving DU/Tav to unpack their BFG (“big f**king gunâ€, and every mighty hero has one, hehe ;)) and deal with any accusers with it (Gur is a great excuse to do that and appreciate the Ascendant's Bite). Because we can do that together with him...
And later like this...
The romance with UA in general feels more like some kind of friendship than true love.
Thank you for sharing these screenshots, the stark change in his emotion is very clear to see here. It's wonderful to see him so ecstatic and that sense of relief he feels there must be incredible. Finally free from that eternal hunger and having a chance to live again while still keeping his immortality. <3 There is a lot of misinformation that gets spread carelessly by people who don't like (or misunderstand) his ascension path. It is upsetting because more people will see those things and assume them to be true. For example, show me where he says he resents you for "making" him ascend? At no point do we force him to ascend, first of all. He always wants to do it, and when the time comes, he still wants to do it and he asks us for help. But he is still the one who decides on it and does it on his own.
One of my favorite expressions of his. I see an exultant Astarion who has gotten his revenge, feels powerful, and gained his freedom. Where's the resentment?
What a cutie... I would love to hand him a finger. And give him a kiss on the forehead while he bites... <3
"She'll definitely come back, my little bloodthirsty master."
"Definitely Sceleritas, I hypnotized her with my gaze and manipulated her thoughts. When she comes back, she should bring me blood candies. I paid close attention when Dad showed me what to do. Nothing can go wrong. " The little bat smiles crookedly and shows his tiny vampire teeth.
He's so cute and I love how confident he already is in his abilities as his teeny-tiny self.^^
It's kind of interesting to see if that can happen.
I now have Shadowheart and Astarion in "flirting mode", so they would both be ready for an Act 2 romance. Astarion is at 100 approval, Shadowheart is at 53. So Astarion should still be preferred by me. I “just†have to go through the Underdark and then Gith Creche before I get to Act 2. ^^
Originally Posted by Marielle
The crooked smile with the little fangs on the little bat's snout is the perfect portrait of the ultimate “sinister cutenessâ€. <3
“A little gift for the most adorable little vampire on Faerûn! Yep, there he is, the most adorable little vampire! Now he's in risk of becoming the candiest little vampire as well!†- a bag of blood candies as tall as Sceleritas (and two Sceleritas as thick) appears in front of the little bat. Either Sceleritas will have to carry all the unfinished candy on his back, or... I hope that with the Ascended Vampire's regenerations, the little guy can eat that much candy without it hurting the whiteness of his sharp little fangs.
"Look Sceleritas, IT WORKED." Astarion Junior lies with his wings spread on the huge sack full of blood candies "You're mine and we'll have a lot of fun my love". *Ascended Astarion laugh...only much brighter and much tinier*
These are all mine Sceleritas! If I could convince the lady to give me so many blood candies, then I can convince the rest of the world to kneel before me." *The little bat face darkens*. "I will dominate the world until the sun itself melts.
"We have to hide THIS from Mommy and Daddy, they'll never let me have that many blood candies. Sceleritas, do something... hide my treasure. I'm far too small ... and beautiful to carry this bag myself. Don't fail, my anger will be endless."
Originally Posted by Celesti4
He's so cute and I love how confident he already is in his abilities as his teeny-tiny self.^^
With the parents he has, it's in his blood. ^^ But he always fits in with what Mommy & Daddy do... sometimes Sceleritas has to distract the little curious prince. The other day he managed to throw his hat over the curious little bat just in time before he saw things he shouldn't see yet.^^ Sceleritas says the throw was his best.
Last edited by Sini; 31/07/2410:43 AM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
I now have Shadowheart and Astarion in "flirting mode", so they would both be ready for an Act 2 romance. Astarion is at 100 approval, Shadowheart is at 53. So Astarion should still be preferred by me. I “just†have to go through the Underdark and then Gith Creche before I get to Act 2. ^^
Crossing my fingers, it would be great if it worked for you this time. I still couldn't get it to work with Gale the other day... I hope this is a missing dialogue bug and not cut content, because it's way too good to go to waste.
Originally Posted by Sini
"Look Sceleritas, IT WORKED." Astarion Junior lies with his wings spread on the huge sack full of blood candies "You're mine and we'll have a lot of fun my love". *Ascended Astarion laugh...only much brighter and much tinier*
These are all mine Sceleritas! If I could convince the lady to give me so many blood candies, then I can convince the rest of the world to kneel before me." *The little bat face darkens*. "I will dominate the world until the sun itself melts.
"We have to hide THIS from Mommy and Daddy, they'll never let me have that many blood candies. Sceleritas, do something... hide my treasure. I'm far too small ... and beautiful to carry this bag myself. Don't fail, my anger will be endless."
Omg, the tiny version of the Ascendant laugh. I love that so much. He's definitely Astarion's mini-me and must have always been listening very closely to the things his daddy says.
The tiny bat looks smugly up at Sceleritas, his little white chest puffed up with pride. The butler smiles knowingly and indulgently down at his little master and hands him another one of the blood candies. "Not to worry, my little master. I know of a perfect hiding spot for your most hard-earned treasure - a place so vile, even your parents daren't approach it." Sceleritas is thinking of the space behind his fruit crate bed, where he keeps his prized jar of bugs and other sulfurous goodies.
"Less talking, more carrying! Can you not work any faster, Sceleritas...?..." Junior's voice begins to trail off. As the butler expected, the sugar crash from the candy quickly starts taking effect on the little bat. Junior yawns and his eyes begin to droop before he curls up in Sceleritas' hand, and goes to sleep immediately.
Originally Posted by Sini
With the parents he has, it's in his blood. ^^ But he always fits in with what Mommy & Daddy do... sometimes Sceleritas has to distract the little curious prince. The other day he managed to throw his hat over the curious little bat just in time before he saw things he shouldn't see yet.^^ Sceleritas says the throw was his best.
Scel. is a lot more coordinated and nimble than I thought! I can imagine his hat fluttering around erratically in the air as the baby bat tries his hardest to fly around blindly underneath.
Crossing my fingers, it would be great if it worked for you this time. I still couldn't get it to work with Gale the other day... I hope this is a missing dialogue bug and not cut content, because it's way too good to go to waste.
I really hope it's just a bug and not cut content. That would be a great shame for this beautiful and funny scene. But we know for sure that Gale doesn't work. Thanks for testing darling. I also suspect that Karlach doesn't work.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Omg, the tiny version of the Ascendant laugh. I love that so much. He's definitely Astarion's mini-me and must have always been listening very closely to the things his daddy says.
The tiny bat looks smugly up at Sceleritas, his little white chest puffed up with pride. The butler smiles knowingly and indulgently down at his little master and hands him another one of the blood candies. "Not to worry, my little master. I know of a perfect hiding spot for your most hard-earned treasure - a place so vile, even your parents daren't approach it." Sceleritas is thinking of the space behind his fruit crate bed, where he keeps his prized jar of bugs and other sulfurous goodies.
"Less talking, more carrying! Can you not work any faster, Sceleritas...?..." Junior's voice begins to trail off. As the butler expected, the sugar crash from the candy quickly starts taking effect on the little bat. Junior yawns and his eyes begin to droop before he curls up in Sceleritas' hand, and goes to sleep immediately.
Sceleritas carefully places the little bat on the edge of his hat. "No, go away, take your hands off my candies. They're all mine!" The little lord seems to have nightmares and talks in his sleep. "If even one piece of candy is missing, then I'll send you to my grandpa's temple."
Sceleritas smiles happily and listens to the little boy swearing and what he would do to his opponents. He is a very proud nanny.
He drags the really heavy sack full of blood candies through the palace. He has already dragged many "sacks" through the temple, but this one is really heavy, so Sceleritas has to take a break several times. When they reach his comfortable bedroom (a hole in the brickwork reveals a small, dirty and dark niche), Sceleritas places the sack behind his fruit crate bed. To camouflage it better, he places a houseplant in front of it that had withered decades ago. "Perfect... and you my little friends don't touch my evil little master's blood candy." He screws the jar with the bugs tighter again. "An even better hiding place would have been Master Astarion's old tent. Where did that go? I remember all the big fat bugs there."
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Scel. is a lot more coordinated and nimble than I thought! I can imagine his hat fluttering around erratically in the air as the baby bat tries his hardest to fly around blindly underneath.
Sceleritas is well trained. He always had to keep up with the Slayer and had to pull the heavy “sacks†through the temple. Now there is the little wild, curious and fast master, who is often a challenge for Sceleritas. In his bat form he is so tiny that he can hide anywhere, which he does. Sceleritas hardly dares to let the little devil out of his sight because he immediately goes on an adventure and if he has even a scratch, poor tiny Scerlitas has to suffer for it. First through his beloved and most deeply adored mistress, then comes the master "stupid silver curls" and then he has to answer to Bhaal himself.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Very much in agreement with this. I would have really appreciated if we were rewarded with a special dialogue or scene with him to acknowledge that we never started relationships with any other character, nor slept/flirted with anyone else. That same thought has crossed my mind more than once while playing the game. It almost feels like you're expected to experiment and flirt around, and you get some extra dialogues that way, but there's little to no reactivity if you remain faithful to your chosen partner from the beginning. Especially when it comes to Astarion, who is already a bit fragile and tentative when it comes to relationships, due to his past (I believe someone mentioned that Shadowheart even acknowledges this if you choose him over her in a love triangle early on). I just didn't want to flirt with other characters once I've decided on who I wanted to romance in the game.
Yes, I've read that in BG3 there's as much as two hours of content dedicated to cheating, reactions to it, choices between different partners and the like (with all companions in total, not just Astarion). It's a shame that in the pursuit of such innovation in romance, the authors completely forgot about those players who want a beautiful story of true faithful love (maybe love at first sight, or first bite, why not? ) and there's not a single line that takes into account such an attitude towards the beloved at all. During the first game, I was a bit confused at all why almost everyone is trying to seduce me, as if they were blind and couldn't see that I was with Astarion. And most importantly, okay, they're trying, everyone may think they're the most charming and attractive, but I myself have no way to say anything about our relationship with Astarion. Yes, at first one can imagine that Astarion cares about his independence, he has only recently gained his freedom, he should not be pressured to talk about relationships, and in time there might be an opportunity to get closer, he needs time to start trusting. But then it turns out that he is really a bit fragile and insecure, you can feel it in the confession scene of Act 2 after Oblodra, when he reacts so much to the unexpected kindness shown to him that he spontaneously confesses and opens up (though I didn't even consider it a special act, it's natural to support Astarion in such a situation, even more natural for me would be to punch Oblodra in the face in such a situation, but come on). The way Astarion asks: "Really?"
He really seems so fragile at this moment, it's as if he doesn't believe in your feelings and doesn't expect anything good. Astarion wouldn't mind if you could confess your feelings to him earlier and tell him that you don't need anyone else but him, he'd love it, he'd probably be playful and pleased, clearly no less than when Tav picks him out of the love triangle. Really, it's like we're expected to do this experimenting and flirting, well okay, some will appreciate the opportunity, and some like to play seriously and with immersion. And after all, for Astarion, fidelity would be especially valuable, it would make him feel more confident and better about himself. It's him, not Will or Gale, that the game allows to be dragged into a "threesome with Halsin", and there's a very heavy scene with him in a brothel (Will and Gale avoid that pain too). So why not make a scene for true love with fidelity as well? A fair balance is when there's a bad scene and there's a good one. There are tons of bad scenes with Astarion. Let's not count all the breakup scenes and other bad scenes, specifically about fidelity - here are two situations with infidelity, there's also infidelity with Mizora, with the Emperor, early love triangles with the entire compaine are spelled out, companion lines for that, and on the other side... Zero. "Evil is isolation", fidelity is a void? Fidelity exists in real life relationships, so there should be room for it in game relationships too. Speaking of evil - the immersion is better when playing as evil, in terms of romance, that's for sure. No annoying dialog with Halsin, in which we are expected to be ready to cheat on our beloved with the first bear we see, and if we don't, it's probably because this particular bear is not attractive, and some other bear will do (you can't tell even Halsin that you love Astarion, directly and firmly, without any "oh, I don't know"). No Halsin, no dialog. Other companions give disapproval, Will and Carlach can leave altogether in the event of an attack on the grove, we end up with far fewer contenders for the role of lover. But there are no additional scenes with Astarion in this case either, which is also unfair and creates an imbalance where you have less content when roleplaying an evil character.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
This looks so nice - I think it fits really well to Astarion. He's probably learned a lot of ballroom style dances throughout his life.^^ He would have a lot to teach my Durge about this elegant lifestyle.
I think the dance scene would look great the night before the night after the Ascension, like they're celebrating a victory.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I love the epilogue dialogue with AA. Even the "Freedom" dialogue doesn't bother me. All I see is that he says he wants me to live the very best life (what he thinks is the best life). The only thing I'm still missing is being able to kiss him there. We should be able to ask for a kiss and/or hug from him if he's our partner, like you can with the other romanced companions. I can even hug Shadowheart and Halsin in the epilogue as just friends. By the time we get here, it has been a long time since we're able to share affection with our partner imo. As you've mentioned, they could simply use an older kiss animation here so no extra work would be required. It shouldn't be hard to add it, and it seems unfair for him to be the only one that doesn't have that option.
I really like that dialog too, I never choose "freedom," because that line is something completely opposite of what I want, for comparison's sake I recently chose it - it's the only place where Astarion is hurt and bad (judging by his facial expressions). I did a photo hunt for the Lord in the epilogue and that's the only dialog I don't want to photograph (and why would you want photos to commemorate events that never happened? :)). But real dialog with appropriate lines - gives just charming results!
Yeah, it's very unfair that you can't hug and kiss the person closest to you. I've only hugged Shadowheart and Gale, with Halsin I can't bring myself to do it because he looks at Tav like he wants to have sex with her, it's disgusting. With Gale the hug is a one time thing, but with Shadowheart you can hug as much as you want and the hug is very touching. I have nothing against her personally, and treat her well, but it's so unfair in contrast to the fact that we can't even touch Astarion at all! Larian did a lot of great work filming scenes that then didn't make it into the game, which is a shame (like the great scenes from EA). And it would be a shame if the kiss scene of patch 5 will suffer the same fate, the scene is beautiful, many people like it, very much need a kiss in the epilogue, it would be logical - to return players their favorite scene, and keep in the game already done a great job. By the way, no one asked for new kisses after patch 5, Larian themselves decided to make players such a "gift", which caused a storm of just indignation, it's good that they promised guaranteed to fix the faces, but that Astarion needs a kiss in the epilogue, players have been writing for a long time.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
There is a lot of misinformation that gets spread carelessly by people who don't like (or misunderstand) his ascension path. It is upsetting because more people will see those things and assume them to be true. For example, show me where he says he resents you for "making" him ascend? At no point do we force him to ascend, first of all. He always wants to do it, and when the time comes, he still wants to do it and he asks us for help. But he is still the one who decides on it and does it on his own.
There's plenty of misinformation on the topic of Ascension. For example, I once saw some nonsense in a game magazine about "some players saying" how they saw a scene in which Astarion himself refuses the ritual. And a YouTube user wrote that to me in the comments too. And the request to show this magic video or at least the keywords where this something can be found, of course, led to the instant disappearance of the active and vigorous disputant from the discussion, lol. And now something else new, Astarion is being "forced" to Ascend! Astarion is literally begging for help, this stupid manipulative persuasion check can fail, then if you don't help Astarion, he will leave the group and say he wants Tav to die in agony. One cannot accept this as true if one has played the game, can read, or understands the language Astarion speaks. Perhaps only if one really wants to feel right, the game gives them the opportunity to force (now, really force) Astarion to behave the way they want, be dependent, "nice", and not dare raise their voice to their highness. Needless to say, they don't like the Ascension path. Anyway, yeah, it's misinformation for new players, certainly not for those who understand the plot of the game, but for those who decide what they want to do in that scene. I read all sorts of crap once too, and thought that there would be something bad after Ascension (of course, I wouldn't have left Astarion as a spawn forever anyway, though there were thoughts of quitting the game at that point), that I might have to do the main quest quickly, bring Astarion to the finale, and never play again. It was great to find out that wasn't the case, though! I felt like Astarion even appreciated my "attempt at self-sacrifice," judging by how heartfelt he said: "You gave me everything. Thank you." <3
Originally Posted by Celesti4
One of my favorite expressions of his. I see an exultant Astarion who has gotten his revenge, feels powerful, and gained his freedom. Where's the resentment?
Yes, this is a gorgeous shot! So much joy and jubilation! You look at an Astarion like that and it's immediately cheerful! <3
Originally Posted by Sini
I now have Shadowheart and Astarion in "flirting mode", so they would both be ready for an Act 2 romance. Astarion is at 100 approval, Shadowheart is at 53. So Astarion should still be preferred by me. I “just†have to go through the Underdark and then Gith Creche before I get to Act 2. ^^
Interesting, be sure to let us know what the result is!
Originally Posted by Sini
"Look Sceleritas, IT WORKED." Astarion Junior lies with his wings spread on the huge sack full of blood candies "You're mine and we'll have a lot of fun my love". *Ascended Astarion laugh...only much brighter and much tinier*
These are all mine Sceleritas! If I could convince the lady to give me so many blood candies, then I can convince the rest of the world to kneel before me." *The little bat face darkens*. "I will dominate the world until the sun itself melts.
"We have to hide THIS from Mommy and Daddy, they'll never let me have that many blood candies. Sceleritas, do something... hide my treasure. I'm far too small ... and beautiful to carry this bag myself. Don't fail, my anger will be endless."
+100! Awesome, he's so cute! <3 Such a sunshine can convince anyone of anything, future ruler! The first step to world domination is unlimited power over a bag of candy!
Originally Posted by Sini
With the parents he has, it's in his blood. ^^ But he always fits in with what Mommy & Daddy do... sometimes Sceleritas has to distract the little curious prince. The other day he managed to throw his hat over the curious little bat just in time before he saw things he shouldn't see yet.^^ Sceleritas says the throw was his best.
Hehehe, little spy! Sceleritas attentive, or else it's easy to miss such a little guy if he carefully flies into stealth.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Scel. is a lot more coordinated and nimble than I thought! I can imagine his hat fluttering around erratically in the air as the baby bat tries his hardest to fly around blindly underneath.
Dark Urge and Astarion will probably have very surprised looks on their faces when they notice the chaotically fluttering hat.
Originally Posted by Sini
I really hope it's just a bug and not cut content. That would be a great shame for this beautiful and funny scene. But we know for sure that Gale doesn't work. Thanks for testing darling. I also suspect that Karlach doesn't work.
That's a pity. Those scenes should have been added for all players, certainly not cut. Hopefully it's just a bug and will be fixed.
Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Omg, the tiny version of the Ascendant laugh. I love that so much. He's definitely Astarion's mini-me and must have always been listening very closely to the things his daddy says.
The tiny bat looks smugly up at Sceleritas, his little white chest puffed up with pride. The butler smiles knowingly and indulgently down at his little master and hands him another one of the blood candies. "Not to worry, my little master. I know of a perfect hiding spot for your most hard-earned treasure - a place so vile, even your parents daren't approach it." Sceleritas is thinking of the space behind his fruit crate bed, where he keeps his prized jar of bugs and other sulfurous goodies.
"Less talking, more carrying! Can you not work any faster, Sceleritas...?..." Junior's voice begins to trail off. As the butler expected, the sugar crash from the candy quickly starts taking effect on the little bat. Junior yawns and his eyes begin to droop before he curls up in Sceleritas' hand, and goes to sleep immediately.
Sceleritas carefully places the little bat on the edge of his hat. "No, go away, take your hands off my candies. They're all mine!" The little lord seems to have nightmares and talks in his sleep. "If even one piece of candy is missing, then I'll send you to my grandpa's temple."
Sceleritas smiles happily and listens to the little boy swearing and what he would do to his opponents. He is a very proud nanny.
He drags the really heavy sack full of blood candies through the palace. He has already dragged many "sacks" through the temple, but this one is really heavy, so Sceleritas has to take a break several times. When they reach his comfortable bedroom (a hole in the brickwork reveals a small, dirty and dark niche), Sceleritas places the sack behind his fruit crate bed. To camouflage it better, he places a houseplant in front of it that had withered decades ago. "Perfect... and you my little friends don't touch my evil little master's blood candy." He screws the jar with the bugs tighter again. "An even better hiding place would have been Master Astarion's old tent. Where did that go? I remember all the big fat bugs there."
Sceleritas is a great babysitter! Looks like the cutie will be getting his candy in portions after all, rather than getting so full that he can't fly!
Originally Posted by Sini
Sceleritas is well trained. He always had to keep up with the Slayer and had to pull the heavy “sacks†through the temple. Now there is the little wild, curious and fast master, who is often a challenge for Sceleritas. In his bat form he is so tiny that he can hide anywhere, which he does. Sceleritas hardly dares to let the little devil out of his sight because he immediately goes on an adventure and if he has even a scratch, poor tiny Scerlitas has to suffer for it. First through his beloved and most deeply adored mistress, then comes the master "stupid silver curls" and then he has to answer to Bhaal himself.
Poor Sceleritas ... Well, the baby grows and gets smarter with time, so I'm sure Sceleritas will soon get easier ... Or not ... Getting smarter can be different.
If you have a romance with Gale, he will leave you after talking to Gortash if it comes out that it was all your plan. His love for you can't have been particularly great, even if you are a "little lamb" Dark Urge who has forgotten everything and wants nothing to do with the previous life. I see Gale as a hypocrite. I'd rather be an "evil bastard" for Astarion, whom I freed with my plan. My Dark Urge always kills Gale.
Interesting, Gale, it turns out, can betray his beloved. While he himself was betrayed and abandoned by Mystra, and continues to suffer and reminisce about her regularly (in a friendly walkthrough). I wasn't deeply interested in other people's romances, except for a few videos of major scenes for curiosity's sake, but it's interesting, and the romance reveals additional facets of the companion's character that you might not realize in a friendly walkthrough. I noticed the hypocrisy in him too, and without the romance. He wants to kick Astarion out of the camp after finding out he's a vampire, while walking around himself with a bomb in his chest and consuming artifacts. If you give Shadowheart to Viconia, Gale shows himself to be cruel and indifferent to her fate. He threatens to explode in the second chapter, you run around him, convince him not to do it, like, you persuaded him, but if Tav/Du agree that Gale should explode - he'll immediately backtrack, he doesn't want to do it at all, he wants to be a “selfless hero†who is persuaded (though he can sacrifice himself and blow up the Brain in the finale, I don't know how exactly it happens, I've only seen the epilogue with the results of this decision). And, of course, his line in the finale towards the unfortunate Astarion who wasn't given the Ascension. It's almost as if Gale takes pleasure in Astarion's vulnerability and pain. Gale does react adequately to the Ascension, though; he now seems wary of angering Astarion (“He can also be a dangerous adversaryâ€) and behaves politely (during the ritual itself, of course, yelling that he must not do so). I liked Gale at first as a companion - he's smart, he has interesting lines, but then I saw his cowardice, selfishness - I don't think these traits are bad in themselves, it's a consequence of survival instinct, but he's so moral, so eager to look good and behave accordingly, that as soon as “moral conceptsâ€, as it seems to him, allow, - the meanness comes out. Hypocrite is a very apt and succinct definition of his character. Astarion never betrays his beloved, no matter what decisions you make in the game's storyline.
Wow, I didn't know he dumps Durge like that. I didn't use him much in my game since my chara was the main wizard of the group, but the more things I discover about him the less likeable he becomes.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Rogue magazine
Awesome!
Originally Posted by Marielle
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Very much in agreement with this. I would have really appreciated if we were rewarded with a special dialogue or scene with him to acknowledge that we never started relationships with any other character, nor slept/flirted with anyone else. That same thought has crossed my mind more than once while playing the game. It almost feels like you're expected to experiment and flirt around, and you get some extra dialogues that way, but there's little to no reactivity if you remain faithful to your chosen partner from the beginning. Especially when it comes to Astarion, who is already a bit fragile and tentative when it comes to relationships, due to his past (I believe someone mentioned that Shadowheart even acknowledges this if you choose him over her in a love triangle early on). I just didn't want to flirt with other characters once I've decided on who I wanted to romance in the game.
Yes, I've read that in BG3 there's as much as two hours of content dedicated to cheating, reactions to it, choices between different partners and the like (with all companions in total, not just Astarion). It's a shame that in the pursuit of such innovation in romance, the authors completely forgot about those players who want a beautiful story of true faithful love (maybe love at first sight, or first bite, why not? ) and there's not a single line that takes into account such an attitude towards the beloved at all. During the first game, I was a bit confused at all why almost everyone is trying to seduce me, as if they were blind and couldn't see that I was with Astarion. And most importantly, okay, they're trying, everyone may think they're the most charming and attractive, but I myself have no way to say anything about our relationship with Astarion.
Really, it's like we're expected to do this experimenting and flirting, well okay, some will appreciate the opportunity, and some like to play seriously and with immersion. And after all, for Astarion, fidelity would be especially valuable, it would make him feel more confident and better about himself. It's him, not Will or Gale, that the game allows to be dragged into a "threesome with Halsin", and there's a very heavy scene with him in a brothel (Will and Gale avoid that pain too). So why not make a scene for true love with fidelity as well? A fair balance is when there's a bad scene and there's a good one. There are tons of bad scenes with Astarion. Let's not count all the breakup scenes and other bad scenes, specifically about fidelity - here are two situations with infidelity, there's also infidelity with Mizora, with the Emperor, early love triangles with the entire compaine are spelled out, companion lines for that, and on the other side... Zero. "Evil is isolation", fidelity is a void? Fidelity exists in real life relationships, so there should be room for it in game relationships too.
Certainly looks like Larian is promoting the hookup culture. C'mon now, all the breakup scenes are cool, after all they make our romances "better", don't they?
+100! Awesome, he's so cute! <3 Such a sunshine can convince anyone of anything, future ruler! The first step to world domination is unlimited power over a bag of candy!
Sceleritas is a great babysitter! Looks like the cutie will be getting his candy in portions after all, rather than getting so full that he can't fly!
When the Little Lord wakes up, he has a bad headache and is feeling sick. "Sceleritas, what happened?" Oh, my corrupt little master, you must have eaten too many blood candies at once." Sceleritas carefully collects the red crumbs from the white fur and carefully strokes the little bat's belly. "I guess you had your first sugar rush... you have again and again try to pounce on the sack full of candies and eat more candies, biting around you.* Sceleritas shows his hand covered in tiny bites* "Tiny Sceleritas is better rationing the candies for you now, my beloved sweet master." "Don't squeeze my belly so hard Sceleritas, I feel so sick." *A tiny red bubble forms on his mouth" "I'll never eat blood candy again... "
Originally Posted by Marielle
Poor Sceleritas ... Well, the baby grows and gets smarter with time, so I'm sure Sceleritas will soon get easier ... Or not ... Getting smarter can be different.
I think Astarion Junior still needs to mature to handle all the power. He's still a cheeky little scumbag. The smarter he gets, the more you have to watch out for him so that he doesn't just become evil and arrogant and fall into madness. His parents and Sceleritas have to guide him there.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Interesting, be sure to let us know what the result is!
I'm on my way darling. All I have to do is defeat Grymforge and then I'll charge into Act 2. I'll report back, I just have to be careful what I do and note the detours I have to take.
I now have more time to play again since I solved my problem in Substance Painter. Now I just have to find the mistake I make when I want to combine 2 or more meshes into one outfit. I also solved my underwear modding problem, it works as I wanted. Celestia and I already had a few ideas for new outfits, some of which I've already put together in Blender. For the Dark Urge Vampire (Drow) ladies. If any of you have modding experience, please share your advice. I'm too stupid for the coding part.
Last edited by Sini; 03/08/2410:36 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Yes, I've read that in BG3 there's as much as two hours of content dedicated to cheating, reactions to it, choices between different partners and the like (with all companions in total, not just Astarion). It's a shame that in the pursuit of such innovation in romance, the authors completely forgot about those players who want a beautiful story of true faithful love (maybe love at first sight, or first bite, why not? ) and there's not a single line that takes into account such an attitude towards the beloved at all. During the first game, I was a bit confused at all why almost everyone is trying to seduce me, as if they were blind and couldn't see that I was with Astarion. And most importantly, okay, they're trying, everyone may think they're the most charming and attractive, but I myself have no way to say anything about our relationship with Astarion. Yes, at first one can imagine that Astarion cares about his independence, he has only recently gained his freedom, he should not be pressured to talk about relationships, and in time there might be an opportunity to get closer, he needs time to start trusting. But then it turns out that he is really a bit fragile and insecure, you can feel it in the confession scene of Act 2 after Oblodra, when he reacts so much to the unexpected kindness shown to him that he spontaneously confesses and opens up (though I didn't even consider it a special act, it's natural to support Astarion in such a situation, even more natural for me would be to punch Oblodra in the face in such a situation, but come on). The way Astarion asks: "Really?"
He really seems so fragile at this moment, it's as if he doesn't believe in your feelings and doesn't expect anything good. Astarion wouldn't mind if you could confess your feelings to him earlier and tell him that you don't need anyone else but him, he'd love it, he'd probably be playful and pleased, clearly no less than when Tav picks him out of the love triangle. Really, it's like we're expected to do this experimenting and flirting, well okay, some will appreciate the opportunity, and some like to play seriously and with immersion. And after all, for Astarion, fidelity would be especially valuable, it would make him feel more confident and better about himself. It's him, not Will or Gale, that the game allows to be dragged into a "threesome with Halsin", and there's a very heavy scene with him in a brothel (Will and Gale avoid that pain too). So why not make a scene for true love with fidelity as well? A fair balance is when there's a bad scene and there's a good one. There are tons of bad scenes with Astarion. Let's not count all the breakup scenes and other bad scenes, specifically about fidelity - here are two situations with infidelity, there's also infidelity with Mizora, with the Emperor, early love triangles with the entire compaine are spelled out, companion lines for that, and on the other side... Zero. "Evil is isolation", fidelity is a void? Fidelity exists in real life relationships, so there should be room for it in game relationships too.(...)
He does seem so vulnerable and sweet in this moment! The pure hopefulness and wonder in his face and his voice when he says "Really?" during the confession scene. Like he didn't even dare to hope your feelings for him were real the whole time. My opinion is this feeling is very new for Astarion. He knows this is something special but he can't quite put his finger on what it is yet. All those years with Cazador, he wasn't able to make his own choices about romance and what he truly wanted. He'd forgotten how to love. Now finally he has something with someone he actually wants - which is genuinely giving him happiness.
At some point if the player tries to break up with him while he's still a spawn, he says he basically expected that to happen, since he doesn't think he has anything to offer you in a real relationship (like he doesn't think he's good enough). It would have been great if we could do more to reinforce our character's devotion, if that's how we want to roleplay it.
I completely agree that ideally there should have been a better balance where you can also get something special (and some more content) if you remain faithful to your partner throughout your playthrough, no matter who it is that you're romancing. Maybe instead of focusing solely on the extra content for the love triangle and sex stuff, they could have taken some of that out and given the loyal romance paths something to acknowledge it, too.
Originally Posted by Marielle
I think the dance scene would look great the night before the night after the Ascension, like they're celebrating a victory.
Having a beautiful slow dance as a celebration with him after the ascension ritual would be so nice. I feel like we didn't really get the chance to revel in his triumph with him. He gains so much in addition to his freedom from Cazador and the world feels brand new and exhilarating for him. My Durge does smile at him right after the ascension when he says "We did it," but that's about it.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Yeah, it's very unfair that you can't hug and kiss the person closest to you. I've only hugged Shadowheart and Gale, with Halsin I can't bring myself to do it because he looks at Tav like he wants to have sex with her, it's disgusting. With Gale the hug is a one time thing, but with Shadowheart you can hug as much as you want and the hug is very touching. I have nothing against her personally, and treat her well, but it's so unfair in contrast to the fact that we can't even touch Astarion at all! Larian did a lot of great work filming scenes that then didn't make it into the game, which is a shame (like the great scenes from EA). And it would be a shame if the kiss scene of patch 5 will suffer the same fate, the scene is beautiful, many people like it, very much need a kiss in the epilogue, it would be logical - to return players their favorite scene, and keep in the game already done a great job. By the way, no one asked for new kisses after patch 5, Larian themselves decided to make players such a "gift", which caused a storm of just indignation, it's good that they promised guaranteed to fix the faces, but that Astarion needs a kiss in the epilogue, players have been writing for a long time.
The fact that it (patch6 kisses) was given to us as some kind of gift out of the blue was just awful too. I still can't believe that whole nightmare happened at all. I remember being excited when I heard about a kiss update but then we got the hurtful thing we got... And then we had to wait a long time to hear that something will be done about it. During all of those months, nothing was said or done about it. Finally they announced they're going to fix that mistake (with "improvements") but it shouldn't have ever happened. Not to mention how long it stayed in the game in its current state, which has caused more problems, and continued hurting people. The damage has been done and it stayed in the game for way too long. But yes, I couldn't agree more... It's very unfair for AA to be the only companion you can't kiss or hug/touch at all in the epilogue to this day! In general, I feel that my Tav/Durge doesn't get much chances to show him affection or tell him that she loves him at all. We're in a committed relationship with him at that point and it's so strange to me that we don't get the option to give him any affection in a relaxed atmosphere. If we choose a happy dialogue branch, then an option for a kiss/hug should be added.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Originally Posted by Celesti4
There is a lot of misinformation that gets spread carelessly by people who don't like (or misunderstand) his ascension path. It is upsetting because more people will see those things and assume them to be true. For example, show me where he says he resents you for "making" him ascend? At no point do we force him to ascend, first of all. He always wants to do it, and when the time comes, he still wants to do it and he asks us for help. But he is still the one who decides on it and does it on his own.
There's plenty of misinformation on the topic of Ascension. For example, I once saw some nonsense in a game magazine about "some players saying" how they saw a scene in which Astarion himself refuses the ritual. And a YouTube user wrote that to me in the comments too. And the request to show this magic video or at least the keywords where this something can be found, of course, led to the instant disappearance of the active and vigorous disputant from the discussion, lol. And now something else new, Astarion is being "forced" to Ascend! Astarion is literally begging for help, this stupid manipulative persuasion check can fail, then if you don't help Astarion, he will leave the group and say he wants Tav to die in agony. One cannot accept this as true if one has played the game, can read, or understands the language Astarion speaks. Perhaps only if one really wants to feel right, the game gives them the opportunity to force (now, really force) Astarion to behave the way they want, be dependent, "nice", and not dare raise their voice to their highness. Needless to say, they don't like the Ascension path. Anyway, yeah, it's misinformation for new players, certainly not for those who understand the plot of the game, but for those who decide what they want to do in that scene. I read all sorts of crap once too, and thought that there would be something bad after Ascension (of course, I wouldn't have left Astarion as a spawn forever anyway, though there were thoughts of quitting the game at that point), that I might have to do the main quest quickly, bring Astarion to the finale, and never play again. It was great to find out that wasn't the case, though! I felt like Astarion even appreciated my "attempt at self-sacrifice," judging by how heartfelt he said: "You gave me everything. Thank you." <3
I am glad that you still ended up playing the way you wanted to and didn't let the negative misinformation deter you. I admit, during my first playthrough romancing him, I got hung up for a while on the whole narrative/discussion of whether he actually loves the MC after the ascension. It was upsetting for me (as a new player) to hear all that talk about him not caring about you anymore. And even though he openly says he loves you several times after ascension, some people claim he's lying or just being manipulative when he says it, or whatever. It's just their opinion and not the truth. Meanwhile, there are plenty of things he does and says which prove his feelings of love are real. I agree, I love the way he says "You have given me everything. Thank you."... I feel that he includes you when he says "everything." Now that he has you by his side, he really has everything.
Originally Posted by Ametris
Certainly looks like Larian is promoting the hookup culture. C'mon now, all the breakup scenes are cool, after all they make our romances "better", don't they?
Yeah, so much effort put into the breakups and cheating and love triangles. A little more balance to include special content for loyalty and monogamy for sure would have been nice.^^
Originally Posted by Sini
When the Little Lord wakes up, he has a bad headache and is feeling sick. "Sceleritas, what happened?" Oh, my corrupt little master, you must have eaten too many blood candies at once." Sceleritas carefully collects the red crumbs from the white fur and carefully strokes the little bat's belly. "I guess you had your first sugar rush... you have again and again try to pounce on the sack full of candies and eat more candies, biting around you.* Sceleritas shows his hand covered in tiny bites* "Tiny Sceleritas is better rationing the candies for you now, my beloved sweet master." "Don't squeeze my belly so hard Sceleritas, I feel so sick." *A tiny red bubble forms on his mouth" "I'll never eat blood candy again... "
The poor baby. But I'm sure he'll be all better in a few hours and ready for more candies.^^ I bet Jr. looks adorable wearing a little cactus-shaped beanie with a flower pom-pom at the top that Sceleritas knitted for him. That evening, Jr. will join Dad on his first exercise flight around the castle. The little one will probably not be able to make it all the way around, and then Astarion will have to fly in his bat-form while carrying the tiny bat on his back (good strength and endurance training for him lol). As Astarion flies past the main bedroom window, he gets distracted by the vision of his consort standing at the window, with a sweet smile on her face, holding a daisy in her hand. This gives him some ideas...
At the point in Act 2 to trigger this scene with Astarion, only Shadowheart and possibly Wyll are still alive besides Astarion,
if I didn't sacrifice Wyll to Boooal. I don't get any approval from Wyll anyway and Shadowheart doesn't offer me a romance until after Nightsong. This will probably be almost too late for Astarion, I'm not sure if I'll be able to kill Yurgir by then. The blood dealer is no longer in Moonrise Tower at this point and should therefore not be present in act 3 either. I would have to test whether it is possible to trigger this scene via Shadowheart with Yurgir without a long rest.
Pretty complicated. ^^
It's kind of interesting to see if that can happen.
OK darlings, this path doesn't work. It's best not to try it, because if you're unlucky Astarion will leave your group.
What did I do before?
- I completed the Trials of Shar
- I killed Balthazar and his brother in the room where they are standing
I killed the rats and Lyrthindor (you should NEVER kill him before Yurgir, because that would fulfill his contract with Raphael and Raphael would then take care of Yurgir himself and not read Astarion's scars! Astarion would then get angry because you put the devil before his needs and if your roll of the dice is wrong, he would leave your group permanently!!!)
I can't go to Nightsong beforehand because the 4th Umbral Orb is with the Orthon Yurgir. Even if I don't kill the Rat Sharite, I would have to kill Yurgir first, which would start Astarion's romance too early.
As my game is in Honor Mode, I can't go back to an earlier point in time. I'll probably have to put up with Astarion yelling at me. Since I haven't spoken to Araj Oblodra yet, I have to hope that I can still start the romance this way.
Minthy is bugged for me in Moonrise Tower (doesn't speak to me) and apart from Shadowheart and Astarion, all of my companions have had small accidents.
If it doesn't work, I'll start a new game
So we can rule out this route too. We can report this as a bug, since I don't see any other way to trigger this scene and Celestia couldn't trigger it with Gale
Edit:
Astarion save our romance ...
He used our tried and tested tactic "Kill first, ask later." So Raphael had no chance to talk to Yurgir.
The fight was a bit unusual, but yes... dead is dead... the romance is saved. I'm glad I don't have to start the romance through Araj.
Last edited by Sini; 09/08/2410:12 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
I take it all back, I was able to trigger the scene with Shadowheart. I should have just talked to her and broke up our relationship, because unlike the others she doesn't have an exclamation mark above her head.
1) Have SH and Astarion in flirting mode.
2) Kill Yurgir
3) Get Astarion's confession scene
4) Talk to Sh, end your relationship
5) Talk to Astarion ... tada ... get this scene.
However, it is buggy with Gale & Karlach and only seems to work with SH. I'm not sure if Sh has to have a certain approval rating, mine was 88, Astarion was 100.
The rest of what I wrote is still correct, never kill the rat Shar befor you kill Yurgir or it might get a bit more complicated.
Last edited by Sini; 09/08/2407:26 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
The poor baby. But I'm sure he'll be all better in a few hours and ready for more candies.^^ I bet Jr. looks adorable wearing a little cactus-shaped beanie with a flower pom-pom at the top that Sceleritas knitted for him. That evening, Jr. will join Dad on his first exercise flight around the castle. The little one will probably not be able to make it all the way around, and then Astarion will have to fly in his bat-form while carrying the tiny bat on his back (good strength and endurance training for him lol). As Astarion flies past the main bedroom window, he gets distracted by the vision of his consort standing at the window, with a sweet smile on her face, holding a daisy in her hand. This gives him some ideas...
First of all, he won't be able to eat any more of them, which doesn't mean that he won't defend the huge sack full of sweets. They're his and if even one is missing, then Sceleritas will be to blame and the tiny lord will tell him to Grandpa. He's wondering whether he shouldn't already demand revenge for this beanie and whether Sceleritas is now positively demented. A Cacti Beanie? With a flower pom-pom? Seriously, Sceleritas? What was the name of the place in the world where something like that is cute? Just so I know what I'll destroy if I dominate the world. If you come too close to me with that, I'll scream for help. That thing is fashion suicide and my daddy doesn't take it lightly. I'm no daisy... but I'm not wearing that! Especially not when I have flying training with daddy. If he sees me with it, he starts crying and asks what he did wrong. He probably wished he had more children like me, only with better fashion sense.
With the idea of ​​having more children like this little bat, Mommy Dark Urge falls into daydreams...
She sees a whole bunch of little white bat lords and ladies... they all flutter around her head and just do mischief. In her dream, she runs screaming into the Bhaal temple. She enjoys the peace and quiet in the wellness and spa area when she hears loud arguing outside. Damn, she has forgotten that Sceleritas can enter the Bhaal temple at any time. A completely ragged Sceleritas and Astarion stand in front of her, arguing, threatening and pushing each other, the little lords and ladies flutter around happily.
"Darling, come back home, we need you."
"I haven't been gone for two hours"
"My adored Mistress, I can't tell you what I had to go through with this..."Sceleritas bares her teeth"
"Darling, please finally kill that useless sack of flesh. He had to go through that with me? He pushed me into the closet with a sidekick..."
"After all, I had to save all the children after the palace started to burn. You're in my way... I'm the nanny. I acted with the utmost honor."
"After the idiot showed our children how to cast "ignite". Just a reminder, I seem to remember that I am the FATHER of the children."
She wakes up when she feels that Astarion Junior has gone to sleep in her hair and Sceleritas is curled up like a dog at her feet and is fast asleep... luckily it was all just a dream... or ???
Certainly looks like Larian is promoting the hookup culture. C'mon now, all the breakup scenes are cool, after all they make our romances "better", don't they?
Of course! Searching YouTube for content that I would absolutely not want to see in my game, in order to watch scenes featuring a favorite character and learn more about their personality because I can't do it in the game otherwise, is a curious new gaming experience!
Originally Posted by Sini
I think Astarion Junior still needs to mature to handle all the power. He's still a cheeky little scumbag. The smarter he gets, the more you have to watch out for him so that he doesn't just become evil and arrogant and fall into madness. His parents and Sceleritas have to guide him there.
Yes. And take him in your arms more often and tell him how cute he is! <3 Best way to keep an eye on your little treasure!
Originally Posted by Sini
I now have more time to play again since I solved my problem in Substance Painter. Now I just have to find the mistake I make when I want to combine 2 or more meshes into one outfit. I also solved my underwear modding problem, it works as I wanted. Celestia and I already had a few ideas for new outfits, some of which I've already put together in Blender. For the Dark Urge Vampire (Drow) ladies. If any of you have modding experience, please share your advice. I'm too stupid for the coding part.
Oh, great! I would really like to see the outfits! There is a section on the forum dedicated to modding, unfortunately I don't know much about it, but maybe there will be something useful there?
Originally Posted by Celesti4
He does seem so vulnerable and sweet in this moment! The pure hopefulness and wonder in his face and his voice when he says "Really?" during the confession scene. Like he didn't even dare to hope your feelings for him were real the whole time. My opinion is this feeling is very new for Astarion. He knows this is something special but he can't quite put his finger on what it is yet. All those years with Cazador, he wasn't able to make his own choices about romance and what he truly wanted. He'd forgotten how to love. Now finally he has something with someone he actually wants - which is genuinely giving him happiness.
And the way he opens up to you afterwards... All his sweet lines, the way he looks at you... He can't put a name to the feeling yet, Astarion rediscovers it - how to love and be loved. His smile after you opened your mind to him, his embrace when he... Didn't expect it, and how he snuggles up to you afterward. How I wish I could hug him and open my mind to him (or better yet, at the same time) as often as possible, so that he would always feel loved and the only one.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
At some point if the player tries to break up with him while he's still a spawn, he says he basically expected that to happen, since he doesn't think he has anything to offer you in a real relationship (like he doesn't think he's good enough). It would have been great if we could do more to reinforce our character's devotion, if that's how we want to roleplay it.
Thanks, I didn't know about that... Though it's conceivable judging by the confession scene. I always wanted to do more for him, it's a shame Astarion doesn't respond to displays of affection in gameplay moments. Like his statue in the camp, or the paired rings with the ability to put gentle protective bonds on him (I couldn't choose mage or bard in the new playthrough because of those rings, I took warrior again to have enough stamina to take damage from Astarion on myself with the rings). If it were up to me, I'd be bragging to all my companions (the female part of the party, at least) in Act 1 that I'm now dating Astarion. Yes, there are many moments in the game where I could really like to be able to express admiration, show loyalty, attention, support, love. And in those moments when he talks about his past, I would have liked to react much more emotionally too.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I completely agree that ideally there should have been a better balance where you can also get something special (and some more content) if you remain faithful to your partner throughout your playthrough, no matter who it is that you're romancing. Maybe instead of focusing solely on the extra content for the love triangle and sex stuff, they could have taken some of that out and given the loyal romance paths something to acknowledge it, too.
Or just open up other opportunities to get those lines and scenes from that extra content that could fit into the story and in the case of a strong love for one character. Tav, for example, could say no to Halsin in a harsh way. Not because he's personally unpleasant, but because he should have first figured out how the couple he wanted to get involved with felt about polyamory themselves. Honestly, I wouldn't have been able to hold back and kicked Halsin below the belt after his words about Astarion “with his consent and involvementâ€. I don't care what he wants from me, a lot of people in the game want something from our characters, he's claiming my Astarion! If Astarion could see this, and afterward I could complain to him about Halsin's insolence, there could be an interesting romantic scene! And Astarion could say that he noticed Halsin's feelings earlier, just like he tells that Tav who agreed to the proposal, only the further conversation would be different. Incidentally, it would work fine for the other companions too - I think a lot of Shadowheart romantics wouldn't turn down the opportunity to have a “man-to-man talk†with Halsin about his encroachment on their beloved.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
The fact that it (patch6 kisses) was given to us as some kind of gift out of the blue was just awful too. I still can't believe that whole nightmare happened at all. I remember being excited when I heard about a kiss update but then we got the hurtful thing we got... And then we had to wait a long time to hear that something will be done about it. During all of those months, nothing was said or done about it. Finally they announced they're going to fix that mistake (with "improvements") but it shouldn't have ever happened. Not to mention how long it stayed in the game in its current state, which has caused more problems, and continued hurting people. The damage has been done and it stayed in the game for way too long.
I'm really glad they're going to change that in patch 7. Happy faces are what this romance really needs. I love kneeling in front of Astarion, it's like that opportunity to do more for him you wrote about above. I'll smile at that, it's great that Larian will now give me that opportunity. And I don't want an ounce of fear or tension on my character's face. What fear - I love playing as a warrior, and it's just silly and comical (and for a DU it goes nowhere at all) when a strong character who gets into any kind of trouble and isn't afraid of any challenge is afraid of their own beloved. This is nonsense. There's no need to break Roleplay, RPGs are about strong characters who make history (evil or good, it's up to them), and certainly there should be no pain in mutual and deep love. For those who want a different kind of romance, it would have been better if the authors had done a romance with Raphael, given them the opportunity to become his Hope, or had Haarlep come to them regularly, or both if they wanted to. But Astarion's story is a true love-melding story, it's a bride story. The good thing is that, judging by the discussions, real improvements will indeed happen!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
But yes, I couldn't agree more... It's very unfair for AA to be the only companion you can't kiss or hug/touch at all in the epilogue to this day! In general, I feel that my Tav/Durge doesn't get much chances to show him affection or tell him that she loves him at all. We're in a committed relationship with him at that point and it's so strange to me that we don't get the option to give him any affection in a relaxed atmosphere. If we choose a happy dialogue branch, then an option for a kiss/hug should be added.
This is a dream come true for me. I really wish Larian had paid attention to more than just the evil endings, but also added romance to the usual epilogue for a character deprived of it. Astarion romantics should have as much love as everyone else. In general, they could have just let everyone hug/kiss their LI, and hugging other companions is an optional element that could have been neglected. Otherwise, it's even offensive against the background of not being able to hug your favorite person.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I am glad that you still ended up playing the way you wanted to and didn't let the negative misinformation deter you. I admit, during my first playthrough romancing him, I got hung up for a while on the whole narrative/discussion of whether he actually loves the MC after the ascension. It was upsetting for me (as a new player) to hear all that talk about him not caring about you anymore. And even though he openly says he loves you several times after ascension, some people claim he's lying or just being manipulative when he says it, or whatever. It's just their opinion and not the truth. Meanwhile, there are plenty of things he does and says which prove his feelings of love are real. I agree, I love the way he says "You have given me everything. Thank you."... I feel that he includes you when he says "everything." Now that he has you by his side, he really has everything.
Yes, when he has you by his side, he has everything - well said. Astarion needs the one and only person he loves and trusts. And he has everything now - freedom, a full life, strength, all the pleasures of the world, and true love! It's worth looking into his eyes to realize how much he loves you. And why would he lie or manipulate now that he is free and with such power he could exist perfectly well on his own? He doesn't need any protection anymore, he can get everything he wants on his own. And most of all he wants to be by his beloved's side, forever. If there had been a liar and manipulator in Astarion's place, he could have seduced Tav and played love before the ritual (only those eyes, and those reactions, and those words wouldn't have happened). And then he would have gotten what he wanted and just dumped Tav if he didn't love them. Or he wouldn't have offered any conversion ritual, would have continued the manipulation until the finale until he was free of the tadpole, just to be sure, and would have broken off the relationship in the epilogue. And would have gone about his business. This is how those who lie and manipulate for profit behave - they abandon the object of manipulation as soon as they get what they want and they don't need anything else. It's the opposite of what Astarion does.
Originally Posted by Sini
Astarion save our romance ...
He used our tried and tested tactic "Kill first, ask later." So Raphael had no chance to talk to Yurgir.
The fight was a bit unusual, but yes... dead is dead... the romance is saved. I'm glad I don't have to start the romance through Araj.
Thanks so much for the info! Lyrthindor is just the one who made Yurgir's contract unfulfilled, and it releases the devil from the contract.
That's great! You were able to fulfill the deal after all! Oh, honor mode is specifically risky, I thought you were testing with saves. Good thing the novel is saved! <3
Originally Posted by Sini
I take it all back, I was able to trigger the scene with Shadowheart. I should have just talked to her and broke up our relationship, because unlike the others she doesn't have an exclamation mark above her head.
1) Have SH and Astarion in flirting mode.
2) Kill Yurgir
3) Get Astarion's confession scene
4) Talk to Sh, end your relationship
5) Talk to Astarion ... tada ... get this scene.
However, it is buggy with Gale & Karlach and only seems to work with SH. I'm not sure if Sh has to have a certain approval rating, mine was 88, Astarion was 100.
The rest of what I wrote is still correct, never kill the rat Shar befor you kill Yurgir or it might get a bit more complicated.
Yeah, so it's possible to get that scene after the confession. That's interesting.
I really like that outfit on Astarion in the video! <3
Originally Posted by Sini
First of all, he won't be able to eat any more of them, which doesn't mean that he won't defend the huge sack full of sweets. They're his and if even one is missing, then Sceleritas will be to blame and the tiny lord will tell him to Grandpa. He's wondering whether he shouldn't already demand revenge for this beanie and whether Sceleritas is now positively demented. A Cacti Beanie? With a flower pom-pom? Seriously, Sceleritas? What was the name of the place in the world where something like that is cute? Just so I know what I'll destroy if I dominate the world. If you come too close to me with that, I'll scream for help. That thing is fashion suicide and my daddy doesn't take it lightly. I'm no daisy... but I'm not wearing that! Especially not when I have flying training with daddy. If he sees me with it, he starts crying and asks what he did wrong. He probably wished he had more children like me, only with better fashion sense.
With the idea of ​​having more children like this little bat, Mommy Dark Urge falls into daydreams...
She sees a whole bunch of little white bat lords and ladies... they all flutter around her head and just do mischief. In her dream, she runs screaming into the Bhaal temple. She enjoys the peace and quiet in the wellness and spa area when she hears loud arguing outside. Damn, she has forgotten that Sceleritas can enter the Bhaal temple at any time. A completely ragged Sceleritas and Astarion stand in front of her, arguing, threatening and pushing each other, the little lords and ladies flutter around happily.
"Darling, come back home, we need you."
"I haven't been gone for two hours"
"My adored Mistress, I can't tell you what I had to go through with this..."Sceleritas bares her teeth"
"Darling, please finally kill that useless sack of flesh. He had to go through that with me? He pushed me into the closet with a sidekick..."
"After all, I had to save all the children after the palace started to burn. You're in my way... I'm the nanny. I acted with the utmost honor."
"After the idiot showed our children how to cast "ignite". Just a reminder, I seem to remember that I am the FATHER of the children."
She wakes up when she feels that Astarion Junior has gone to sleep in her hair and Sceleritas is curled up like a dog at her feet and is fast asleep... luckily it was all just a dream... or ???
Ha ha ha, awesome! Mommy Dark Urge never has to be bored! The little white bats are oh my goodness, so impossibly cute! <33 Just kissing them all on their fluffy foreheads!
“These are my toys...I won't give them to you...I'm going to bite you myself now...This is my mommy...This is my throne, yes, because it's daddy's and the daddy is mine!...Your fangs are holey...†- Astarion Jr. is rummaging in her hair, mumbling something disgruntledly in his sleep.
Yes. And take him in your arms more often and tell him how cute he is! <3 Best way to keep an eye on your little treasure!
He says he's already too big to be cuddled and hugged, although he can still sit on your hand in his tiny bat form. He only gets a little of Mommy's Bhaal blood, then he always tries to turn into the Slayer... he is firmly convinced that one claw on his foot was significantly bigger than the others and that he will soon manage it... we are excited about the tiny Slayer
Originally Posted by Marielle
Oh, great! I would really like to see the outfits! There is a section on the forum dedicated to modding, unfortunately I don't know much about it, but maybe there will be something useful there?
I'll be happy to show you. I think it's better to go to the Larian Discord for these problems, the modders are more likely to be found there, and they helped me with my underwear problem there too. It was something that I couldn't have found in any guide, because it was a "False" where it should have been a "True". I can change everything, but I would never recognize a mistake like that myself.
I've done the coding part so many times now that I can change it in a few minutes. But I'm probably making a tiny mistake somewhere or it's something that I don't have enough knowledge for.
I hope that with Patch 7 the modding tool will make it easier. I get a backlog of ideas in my brain, I have to process them.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Thanks so much for the info! Lyrthindor is just the one who made Yurgir's contract unfulfilled, and it releases the devil from the contract.
That's great! You were able to fulfill the deal after all! Oh, honor mode is specifically risky, I thought you were testing with saves. Good thing the novel is saved! <3
No risk, no fun ...I do all sorts of stupid things in Honor Mode, I steal from everything and everyone and use every dirty trick. I've already triggered the worst fights and reduced villages to rubble. I had to be a little creative to solve the problem well for myself. I didn't talk to Shadowheart straight away after Astarion's confession scene. Others have an exclamation mark over their heads to ask whether you really want to end the relationship with them, but Shadowheart doesn't have one.
Yes, if someone gets into this situation, as I said, if you're unlucky Astarion will leave your group permanently, don't talk to Yurgir, kill him immediately.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Yeah, so it's possible to get that scene after the confession. That's interesting.
I really like that outfit on Astarion in the video! <3
Yes, and I'm really happy to be able to trigger this text.
Luckily, with Shadowheart, all I had to do was drink a bit of wine. If you end the romance with Shadowheart because of Astarion, she's very understanding and happy that you're there for Astarion.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Ha ha ha, awesome! Mommy Dark Urge never has to be bored! The little white bats are oh my goodness, so impossibly cute! <33 Just kissing them all on their fluffy foreheads!
“These are my toys...I won't give them to you...I'm going to bite you myself now...This is my mommy...This is my throne, yes, because it's daddy's and the daddy is mine!...Your fangs are holey...†- Astarion Jr. is rummaging in her hair, mumbling something disgruntledly in his sleep.
The little Lords and Ladies look at you expectantly and excitedly and stretch out their little fluffy heads towards you, one of them seems to want to hold you with its tiny wings.
Astarion Junior dreams so intensely of his world domination and how toys are brought to him from everywhere as offerings that Mommy has to catch him so that he doesn't slip off his throne. Sceleritas is still curled up on the floor and scratches behind his ear with his foot. She falls asleep just as peacefully. When Astarion finds his family sleeping so peacefully, he first puts Junior in his bed, then carries his eternal love to bed and even puts Sceleritas in his fruit crate bed... while briefly considering whether he should brick up the hole in the wall...
Last edited by Sini; 15/08/2401:20 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
I feel a little unfairly treated again. I haven't spoken to anyone. There is no one left I could talk to... Mr. Asstarion... I think we will argue until we reach Baldur's Gate.
I saw something interesting today that I hadn't noticed before. In my playthroughs, gnomes and hobbits always die for reasons I can't fathom. Yes, I shouldn't ally myself with Nere and I shouldn't kill Nightsong...
If the gnomes survive, there's a quest in which you have to kill Wulbren... Astarion, Minthy and Lae'zel agree, I've done worse for less than 800g reward . Maybe make a note for the next evilrun.
Last edited by Sini; 22/08/2401:40 PM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
"Kids these days..." Never heard him say that line before
I think he was in a really bad mood that day... I tried not to have Yenna at camp, but she always comes back. I think she's a safe NPC if you don't have one who could get kidnap by Orin. Unfortunately Halsin got away from me and I should have destroyed the portal beforehand next time. ^^
Yenna Part2 ... poor girl
And it's not Ascended Astarion that's so mean. ; )
Last edited by Sini; 25/08/2409:56 AM.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
I'm still in the middle of preparing for Patch 7. I still have a few fights left in Act 3 in my current playthrough and I want to test a few things beforehand, for example whether it makes a difference to
kill Orin first and then Cazador, although I doubt it. But since I kill Orin first, I will team up with Gortash and want to be kicked by him ^^. I will reject Bhaal & betray Withers to become the Absolute. I have also tested how I kill all of my companions except for Astarion and Minthy and discovered possible sources of error and can then counteract them. I'll betray Minthy before she raids the grove and then knock her out, hope she doesn't bug again in act 2.
I'll play Honor Mode and I'm excited to see what changes. Drow/Durgie is out of the question anyway.
What is your plan? First Origin Astarion or evil Tav/Durge & AA? There is no question that we will let Astarion ascend and there is also no doubt that we will have Minthy in the group. What will be your 3rd companion? I'm going to take another little hireling and turn him into Sceleritas. Have you already thought about which class? I think I'll do Bard/Paladin again, it was so much fun, I'll be an oathbreaker by Lae'zel's cage at the latest. Can I break my oath on the ship? ... I have to try that.
When even the oathbreaker is angry and doesn't want to talk to you
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
He says he's already too big to be cuddled and hugged, although he can still sit on your hand in his tiny bat form. He only gets a little of Mommy's Bhaal blood, then he always tries to turn into the Slayer... he is firmly convinced that one claw on his foot was significantly bigger than the others and that he will soon manage it... we are excited about the tiny Slayer
Adorable! He's a very determined little guy, and a real perfectionist for paying such attention to detail, particularly the symmetry of the claws. Yes, kids grow so fast, and it's important to respect little Lord's need to show off his unrivaled awesomeness (he's really, really big now, and he'll come into your arms when he wants to and when no one else can see :)), so Daddy will get a double dose of hugs today! <3
Originally Posted by Sini
Yes, if someone gets into this situation, as I said, if you're unlucky Astarion will leave your group permanently, don't talk to Yurgir, kill him immediately.
Yurgir is easier to kill if you approach him from behind, you're in a much better position, and there's no dialog with him (you have a great opportunity to strike first, and if Yurgir sees you, he'll go into combat mode without dialog). I tried to pull this off with him at first, but since I didn't have that need, I reloaded and approached him from below so I could attack him through dialog for the sake of the story and get Astarion's approval. When Yurgir is fighting in an advantageous position (after the dialog), the fight with him will be more difficult. If you have Beholder inside the flask, it will help to keep his pile of merregons occupied for a while to focus your attack on Yurgir and kill him faster.
Originally Posted by Sini
Yes, and I'm really happy to be able to trigger this text.
Luckily, with Shadowheart, all I had to do was drink a bit of wine. If you end the romance with Shadowheart because of Astarion, she's very understanding and happy that you're there for Astarion.
She responds so wisely and understandingly, Shadowheart shows the best sides of her character in this scene. Definitely a plus to the perception of her character. She is the only observant and attentive person in the group, in my opinion, in my game Shadowheart is the only companion who notices my connection to Astarion in the first act. She says of Astarion, “there's something fragile beneath the façadeâ€.
Originally Posted by Sini
The little Lords and Ladies look at you expectantly and excitedly and stretch out their little fluffy heads towards you, one of them seems to want to hold you with its tiny wings.
Astarion Junior dreams so intensely of his world domination and how toys are brought to him from everywhere as offerings that Mommy has to catch him so that he doesn't slip off his throne. Sceleritas is still curled up on the floor and scratches behind his ear with his foot. She falls asleep just as peacefully. When Astarion finds his family sleeping so peacefully, he first puts Junior in his bed, then carries his eternal love to bed and even puts Sceleritas in his fruit crate bed... while briefly considering whether he should brick up the hole in the wall...
My heart sinks for such adorable fluffy babies! Gotta caress each and every one of these cuties as gently and carefully as possible... <3
Astarion has become a very caring and responsible head of the family. But sometimes he chuckles under his nose when he learns about another prank of his hyperactive son, and he himself is itching to do a little mischief... And when the Sun Lord does a prank, the prank can be of appropriate magnitude.
Originally Posted by Sini
With such staff, it's no wonder that we break into Raphi's house and his incubus tells us his secrets.
But she always lets my Astarion catch her. He can't get any closer to her. It's always a pleasure for me to empty her pockets.
Haha, Astarion is adorable! His outrage at the moment his absent-minded victim disappeared is so cute! Korrilla is such a funny loser in that situation, I'll have to replicate that in my game, lol. It's a bit poor in her pockets though, either Raphi pays the staff as well as they work or vice versa.
Originally Posted by Sini
I feel a little unfairly treated again. I haven't spoken to anyone. There is no one left I could talk to... Mr. Asstarion... I think we will argue until we reach Baldur's Gate.
Business Lord. He's practicing. Preparing for the future, when you and he will be late for a Council meeting of the United Vampire Clans Organization in the future.
Originally Posted by Sini
Ever since our argument on the road to Baldur's Gate, he seems to be in a bad mood... poor Yenna.
Astarion grumbles with his trademark black irony. Haha, that's nice, thanks, I didn't have that line. He has a strange attitude towards this girl - Astarion approves when you help her, but also grumbles when she comes to your camp. But there's no disapproval if you leave her - just grumbling.
Originally Posted by Sini
I think he was in a really bad mood that day... I tried not to have Yenna at camp, but she always comes back. I think she's a safe NPC if you don't have one who could get kidnap by Orin. Unfortunately Halsin got away from me and I should have destroyed the portal beforehand next time. ^^
Orin, besides Halsin, can also kidnap Gale and Lae'zel (just not Lae, Orin, if you want a new rattle so badly, okay, next time it'll be Gale, but you won't get more variety from me, go to another store! *jokingly). If you let her kidnap Yenna, it's gonna be sad--
Either Yenna or her kitty will die.
Originally Posted by Sini
Yenna Part2 ... poor girl
And it's not Ascended Astarion that's so mean. ; )
Looking at the expression on Astarion's face as he looks at the girl afterward, it seems like he was grumbling more out of some sort of principle. Yes, Yenna comes to you in Rivington, Astarion can't make it to Ascension by that point. About the meanness - if you act strictly in accordance with Astarion's approvals in Act 1, when he doesn't know about any Ascension yet, and then do the same with the Ascended Lord's approvals in Act 3 (if anything, taking control of the Brain has no approvals/disapprovals, Astarion smiles at you when you decide to subdue Brain, and is also very happy to get rid of the tadpole if you decide to destroy Brain), and then compare and contrast the results of your actions in terms of “evilâ€, the Ascended Astarion is definitely calmer and kinder.
Originally Posted by Sini
What is your plan? First Origin Astarion or evil Tav/Durge & AA? There is no question that we will let Astarion ascend and there is also no doubt that we will have Minthy in the group. What will be your 3rd companion? I'm going to take another little hireling and turn him into Sceleritas. Have you already thought about which class? I think I'll do Bard/Paladin again, it was so much fun, I'll be an oathbreaker by Lae'zel's cage at the latest. Can I break my oath on the ship? ... I have to try that.
Can mercenaries be turned? I wonder, I've just always ignored mercenaries completely, do they even say anything at all?
Originally Posted by Sini
When even the oathbreaker is angry and doesn't want to talk to you
Wow, where did you meet him? Interesting character.
Orin, besides Halsin, can also kidnap Gale and Lae'zel (just not Lae, Orin, if you want a new rattle so badly, okay, next time it'll be Gale, but you won't get more variety from me, go to another store! *jokingly). If you let her kidnap Yenna, it's gonna be sad--
Either Yenna or her kitty will die.
*mumbles... coughs... whispers* No one is alive anymore, Halsin was just lucky.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Looking at the expression on Astarion's face as he looks at the girl afterward, it seems like he was grumbling more out of some sort of principle. Yes, Yenna comes to you in Rivington, Astarion can't make it to Ascension by that point. About the meanness - if you act strictly in accordance with Astarion's approvals in Act 1, when he doesn't know about any Ascension yet, and then do the same with the Ascended Lord's approvals in Act 3 (if anything, taking control of the Brain has no approvals/disapprovals, Astarion smiles at you when you decide to subdue Brain, and is also very happy to get rid of the tadpole if you decide to destroy Brain), and then compare and contrast the results of your actions in terms of “evilâ€, the Ascended Astarion is definitely calmer and kinder.
Yes, after he ascend he is much more relaxed. We can now seriously discuss world domination. Btw. Have you ever tested whether it makes a difference if you first get AA and then go to the love test at the circus? Unfortunately, I was already there and caused total chaos by trying to throw the nagging child into the cat's cage (it worked, the child is still alive, only the circus lost a few people.) and I only have this save file. I doubt anything will change there, but I'm still interested.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Can mercenaries be turned? I wonder, I've just always ignored mercenaries completely, do they even say anything at all?
They have standard texts. I choose the gnome because it's small enough to transform into Sceleritas. He doesn't have to talk, just look good. You can change the appearance and specs of hirelings. For me it's just a visual thing to have Sceleritas in my group. I usually only fight with Astarion in a duo anyway, the rest of the group doesn't really matter and is more for the story in the game... as long as they're alive.
If you want, you can also have Raphi as a companion in your group, etc.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Wow, where did you meet him? Interesting character.
If you break your oath as a paladin, he will be in your camp. For 1000g he will restore your oath, for me it's not worth it lol. He tells you a little something, as Durge he also tells you something in Act 3.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
What is your plan? First Origin Astarion or evil Tav/Durge & AA? There is no question that we will let Astarion ascend and there is also no doubt that we will have Minthy in the group. What will be your 3rd companion? I'm going to take another little hireling and turn him into Sceleritas. Have you already thought about which class? I think I'll do Bard/Paladin again, it was so much fun, I'll be an oathbreaker by Lae'zel's cage at the latest. Can I break my oath on the ship? ... I have to try that.
I'm tempted to just do the same things I did during my first Durge playthrough, because I loved it so much.....But how could I not do an evil playthrough this time? I've already decided on speccing Astarion as (shadow) monk and maybe sorcerer or stealth archer for my character. Can always respec if I hate it. It may end up being a "lone wolf" run with only my character and Astarion this time, and Minthara later if she doesn't bug out.
One of Minthara's point-and-click lines when you click on her portrait is "In your name."
It would be fun if she said that during the ending scene when you sit on the throne.
The reason why Sceleritas has no time for evil endings.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I'm tempted to just do the same things I did during my first Durge playthrough, because I loved it so much.....But how could I not do an evil playthrough this time? I've already decided on speccing Astarion as (shadow) monk and maybe sorcerer or stealth archer for my character. Can always respec if I hate it. It may end up being a "lone wolf" run with only my character and Astarion this time, and Minthara later if she doesn't bug out.
One of Minthara's point-and-click lines when you click on her portrait is "In your name."
It would be fun if she said that during the ending scene when you sit on the throne.
Until then, AA is waiting very patiently:
<3
I can well imagine Astarion as your protector in the shadows; acting from the shadows also fits well with his character. I've often said that playing in a duo with Astarion is the most fun for me because he actually says every line that other characters would otherwise say. Minthy is just a must for me, just to have her in the group.
Make videos of your experiences, I also hope for many chaotic experiences if I start trouble somewhere again.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Yes, after he ascend he is much more relaxed. We can now seriously discuss world domination. Btw. Have you ever tested whether it makes a difference if you first get AA and then go to the love test at the circus? Unfortunately, I was already there and caused total chaos by trying to throw the nagging child into the cat's cage (it worked, the child is still alive, only the circus lost a few people.) and I only have this save file. I doubt anything will change there, but I'm still interested.
Gosh, this is really interesting! What if there's a difference? Logically, there should be a change, otherwise it would be a clear mismatch with the story. The “hands up to his elbows in blood†option may still be relevant, but Astarion's main desire for “revenge†has already been fulfilled, in theory, he should now desire something else. Maybe the “Me?†option will turn out to be true in this case, that would be very satisfying. <3 And the answer to the dryad that Astarion is not afraid of anyone, it's him that everyone is afraid of, should cause a different reaction from the dryad. If before she whined about something and gave a lower score, figuratively speaking (yeah, and the one who is going to tell the main fear of their beloved person to random people, of course, the relationship is “perfectâ€, lol), then now Astarion is definitely not afraid of being forever in slavery, and... It's really interesting.
Originally Posted by Sini
They have standard texts. I choose the gnome because it's small enough to transform into Sceleritas. He doesn't have to talk, just look good. You can change the appearance and specs of hirelings. For me it's just a visual thing to have Sceleritas in my group. I usually only fight with Astarion in a duo anyway, the rest of the group doesn't really matter and is more for the story in the game... as long as they're alive.
Yeah, it might look funny if you can change their appearance.
Originally Posted by Sini
If you break your oath as a paladin, he will be in your camp. For 1000g he will restore your oath, for me it's not worth it lol. He tells you a little something, as Durge he also tells you something in Act 3.
Ah, the quest is for an oathbreaker, thank you. What made me laugh is that it only costs a thousand coins to restore a paladin's honor. A rich paladin can afford a lot of things.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Until then, AA is waiting very patiently:
<3
Wow, how elegant! This shot could make a beautiful portrait of Lord Astarion to hang in the castle! <3
Originally Posted by Sini
The reason why Sceleritas has no time for evil endings.
Ha ha ha! What an expression! Sceleritas is definitely the best butler!
Originally Posted by Sini
I can well imagine Astarion as your protector in the shadows; acting from the shadows also fits well with his character. I've often said that playing in a duo with Astarion is the most fun for me because he actually says every line that other characters would otherwise say. Minthy is just a must for me, just to have her in the group.
Yeah, it's a lot more fun to play that way. The first time I played with a full group, I missed some interesting lines. Besides, Astarion will always be standing next to you in dialogs with NPCs.
Originally Posted by Sini
I'm currently trying out using ChromaKey. Astarion meets my WoW priestess.
Haha, Astarion in WoW would be fascinating. Only then it would be WoA.
Gosh, this is really interesting! What if there's a difference? Logically, there should be a change, otherwise it would be a clear mismatch with the story. The “hands up to his elbows in blood†option may still be relevant, but Astarion's main desire for “revenge†has already been fulfilled, in theory, he should now desire something else. Maybe the “Me?†option will turn out to be true in this case, that would be very satisfying. <3 And the answer to the dryad that Astarion is not afraid of anyone, it's him that everyone is afraid of, should cause a different reaction from the dryad. If before she whined about something and gave a lower score, figuratively speaking (yeah, and the one who is going to tell the main fear of their beloved person to random people, of course, the relationship is “perfectâ€, lol), then now Astarion is definitely not afraid of being forever in slavery, and... It's really interesting.
I asked myself that too. I doubt it's different, but I'll have to check anyway. As you say, some answers no longer make sense with AA. We have a new task
Originally Posted by Marielle
Ah, the quest is for an oathbreaker, thank you. What made me laugh is that it only costs a thousand coins to restore a paladin's honor. A rich paladin can afford a lot of things.
Gold isn't the problem, it's just that I would be constantly with it and would have to renew my oath, that's not worth it for me. I walk 2 meters and make some questionable decision. As you can see in the picture above, I myself angered the Oathbreaker and had to give him gifts to get him to talk to me again... what a daisy.
I'm constantly thinking, "What will happen if I do this?" or "Can I do that"...yeah and usually I unleash some sort of chaos. I'm a bard and could explain myself anywhere, but why when "attack" is the choice? So no, I'm keeping the 1000g instead of restoring my oath, what am I supposed to do with it as a Dark Urge? The oathbreaker also reacts very sensitively when someone steals from him. *points to Astarion* He has had experience there.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Gold isn't the problem, it's just that I would be constantly with it and would have to renew my oath, that's not worth it for me. I walk 2 meters and make some questionable decision. As you can see in the picture above, I myself angered the Oathbreaker and had to give him gifts to get him to talk to me again... what a daisy.
I'm constantly thinking, "What will happen if I do this?" or "Can I do that"...yeah and usually I unleash some sort of chaos. I'm a bard and could explain myself anywhere, but why when "attack" is the choice? So no, I'm keeping the 1000g instead of restoring my oath, what am I supposed to do with it as a Dark Urge? The oathbreaker also reacts very sensitively when someone steals from him. *points to Astarion* He has had experience there.
Ha ha ha, pissing off the Oathbreaker, before also stealing from him, charming! Astarion clearly enjoys this kind of entertainment. But the very fact that one can safely remain a good paladin, doing anything while doing so, if only there was gold, amuses me as well. And then there's someone talking about the “consequences†of evil deeds in the game, lol.
Ha ha ha, pissing off the Oathbreaker, before also stealing from him, charming! Astarion clearly enjoys this kind of entertainment. But the very fact that one can safely remain a good paladin, doing anything while doing so, if only there was gold, amuses me as well. And then there's someone talking about the “consequences†of evil deeds in the game, lol.
My goblin priest, who is more of a televangelist and cult leader, would have said, "Your spiritual well-being is just a donation away. If you don't feel any spiritual improvement, maybe the donation wasn't big enough. These mercenary ... friendly employees will be happy to help you, if there are complaints and spiritual peace does not come.The larger the donation, the greater your well-being will be and of course your donation will go to the poorest members of our community." *The fake charitable smile swallows the word "me".*
But you're right, the indulgence trade is flourishing for 1000g. It shouldn't be so easy to restore his oath.
The Dark Urge is pained by Isobel's blessing. An oath-loyal paladin would have to be like a constant itch on the skin from the Dark Urge.
Yes, it's all great entertainment for Astarion. I still find evil deeds that get his approval. Astarion is a voyeur, he likes to watch when the Durge/Tav is cruel and he can stay in the shadows without taking any action himself. But of course he enjoys it when our adventures end in chaos ("Oh, I miss this."), which is why I prefer skills for him that let him fight from the shadows.
Originally Posted by Marielle
Ha ha ha! What an expression! Sceleritas is definitely the best butler!
*Sceleritas is cursing loudly*"That was so clear again, my beloved master is finally becoming a god and fulfilling her destiny and what about tiny Sceleritas? He can throw away the garbage that has been accumulating here for centuries, if not longer . I should stand next to my master and not the stupid Silverlock. I will put the extra sharp shards in his bed." Sceleritas quickly throws everything into one big bag because he doesn't want to miss out when his master dominates the world.
He brushed Astarion Junior's soft fur and sharpened his tiny claws. "Oh, my little master, now the time has come, your mother will rule the world. I am so incredibly proud." "Do I look good Sceleritas, do I look like a Lord?" Sceleritas adjusts the tiny lock of white hair "Perfect, my little mischievous master." “Do you think I can sit on Mama’s head when she conquers the world?†"Stay in the background for now, stay out of your father's head, he'll like it if his son accompanies him in the moment of triumph... *whispers* and ruins his hairstyle." "That sounds like a good idea Sceleritas, I'll be able to see everything clearly from there. Have you packed enough blood drops? I'll definitely want to eat a few." "Yes, your father will appreciate it if you pamper him with your sticky little sugar pout give a few kisses on his head." Sceleritas smiles contentedly.
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
My dear consorts, even if our hair is bad and at least I don't recognize my character, Astarion wants to see our evil deeds. So always give us the evidence of what evil evil consorts you are .
I just started a new Honor Mode run and am waiting for at least the mod with my hair and the camera mod to run again soon. My own mods work fine, at least I have something to wear.
Have a nice start to all of you and beware I hear good things about you.
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
Hopefully this comment is OK on this thread (All things Astarion, not including Patch 6 or 7 kisses)
I have been watching Patch 7 videos on Youtube, eager to see the changes (happy to be spoiled) and I came across a reveal of Spawn Astarion's new reaction if your Tav has a one night stand with Mizora.
I just wanted to share with you all that I don't like the changes, to me the original reaction rang true to Astarion's character and made a lot of sense for a Vampire who's morality is naturally different ( but that just could just be how I see vampires ). I know my opinion on this change is likely to be in the minority, a lot of romancers want to feel rewarded for being loyal and don't have a polyamory romance with Halsin etc... and can be a little judge-y dare I say, towards others who do romance Halsin as well.
I personally don't feel the need to put human limited lifetime morals onto a vampire existence. Astarion (all things going well), will outlive their Tav who will eventually grow old and become rather boring (unless your Tav ascends him and agrees to become his Consort).
To my mind Astarion's original reaction was so him, he teases Tav about it and wants the juicy details, he is not threatened or bothered as he is confident of their relationship and Tav's commitment. Sex isn't confused with Love.
When I did my Spawn playthrough I chose not to sleep with the Drow twins because it clearly made him uncomfortable. I interpreted his discomfort though not to be about Tav wanting sex with the Twins but more to do with the fact that he didn't want sex, period, as he is healing from 100s years of using sex (not by choice), to serve someone else, his feelings be dammed, so taking a break from sex was him reclaiming himself, reclaiming his body. Not a judgment on Tav's commitment to their relationship or putting his current feelings about sex onto Tav.
When you stand up for him with Araj, he confesses his original intentions were to manipulate Tav through sex, and that he now has feelings for Tav and is now free to choose, free to say no.
My point is that in my playthrough, Tav never felt judged by Astarion for wanting to experience life, afterall Astarion has had 100s of lovers, and will live long after Tav is dead. My Tav had a polyamory relationship with Haslin, a one night stand with Mizora and a sexy encounter with Harleep and finishes the game, hand in hand with Spawn Astarion, on a mission to find him a way for him to be in the Sun again.
If anyone out there can hear my plea and can publish a mod that will give me the original Spawn dialogue and reaction to the night with Mizora, I'll be very grateful, and I am pretty sure I won't be the only Spawn Astarion romancer out there that will appreciate you.
I enjoy both Spawn and Ascended storylines, I think Astarion is a lot of fun either path and if you want to show your loyalty and devotion to him by turning down all other offers you can easily do that, for me, this is fantasy, and my vampire wants Tav to enjoy what life has to offer as long as they are loyal. And trust me, they will never stray too far, they would never dream of doing that
Please be kind in your comments if you disagree.
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To be honest, this thread is a very light hearted one and it's more of chat than a discussion, that was created to be separate from the other heavier AA thread, and so far I've only seen conversations about AA in here. You might not receive as many replies here as you'd like because of it.
Personally, I don't have a preference when it comes to this scene in UA's case. I remember hearing that UA's dialogue was actually bugged and not even triggering in the first place.
I think your criticism is valid and it might be a good idea to bring it up as feedback for Larian directly. The topics you brought up were actually mentioned in this thread, which is all about Astarion romance and all iterations of it, as well as things for Larian to be aware of: https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=919717&page=38
The new spawn dialogue was also briefly mentioned there previously and we shared links to mods we liked in relation to other aspects of the romance.
Thank you Ametris for your objection. In fact, this thread is more about things that are fictional or ideas, scenes from the game, preferably with AA, with Sceleritas being our actual hero and of course Astarion Junior and their adventures together. We would like to keep this thread as light-hearted as before and I ask that you choose other threads for such topics. Ametris has linked more suitable ones there.
I could have renamed the thread to Sceleritas, Astarion Junior, the Dark Urge and the guy who threw dirt at me.
Thank you and have fun in Patch 7
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"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
So, I noticed that Astarion has new animations during the epilogue party and my favourite line from it "I am always watching" is also different now. I think he looks a bit more commanding, proud and confident as a proper vampire lord should, rather than yandere, possessive and kinda funnily unhinged as before. I think it's an improvement, but I got used to that evil gremlin face and will miss it. I still find his attempts to appear scary cute. What do you l think? Which one do you prefer?
I like his "grumpy" face, I always had the urge to bite the tip of his nose. The new facial expression is more dignified, not so suspicious, perhaps even slightly surprised. I think I like the new facial expression better. He looks younger, it suits him well. Of course we don't tell him that.
*whispers* "Darling, smile a little, this isn't your funeral." "Then the wine would definitely be better. Who chose this dirty water? They should have let me host the party, but for reasons I don't understand, this mummy did it. Does he have any sense of taste? If I see his robe, I would say "Clearly not". Fashionably a crime... here darling, drink this wine, it's still bad, but not as terrible as the others."
*bites Astarion on the tip of his nose*
"Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized" ~ Braingremlin
So, I noticed that Astarion has new animations during the epilogue party and my favourite line from it "I am always watching" is also different now. I think he looks a bit more commanding, proud and confident as a proper vampire lord should, rather than yandere, possessive and kinda funnily unhinged as before. I think it's an improvement, but I got used to that evil gremlin face and will miss it. I still find his attempts to appear scary cute. What do you l think? Which one do you prefer?
Originally Posted by Sini
I like his "grumpy" face, I always had the urge to bite the tip of his nose. The new facial expression is more dignified, not so suspicious, perhaps even slightly surprised. I think I like the new facial expression better. He looks younger, it suits him well. Of course we don't tell him that. hahaha
Yes, I noticed these changes right away too, while testing. I am definitely going to miss his old evil-smile yandere face lmao, because that's how I remember it, and thought it was funny too.^^ sigh. At least I recorded my playthrough where he had the old expressions. But I do like the new one and the way he's lifting his face up so proudly at the end, like he does sometimes during other dialogues in the game.
I wanted to make a quick side-by-side comparison video on this, actually.^^ That way the changes can be seen more clearly. Still waiting for the 3rd party mods to work for me again :'(
I like his "grumpy" face, I always had the urge to bite the tip of his nose. The new facial expression is more dignified, not so suspicious, perhaps even slightly surprised. I think I like the new facial expression better. He looks younger, it suits him well. Of course we don't tell him that.
Haha, I always had the urge to touch the tip of his nose with an index finger and tease him "You're always so adorable when you're trying to be scary, darling. Watch me all you like, because I've got my eyes on you too, my dearest lord."
It's better they changed it, because the previous expression always made me laugh and it looked more like an empty threat from someone who randomly got their knickers in a twist. Now he indeed looks more dignified and convincing. At least now I actually believe him he might come up with some delightful "punishment" if Tav appears to be too flirtatious with someone else (his bitter rival God Gale especially!).