Wow, so many interesting things have happened here! This is gorgeous, great fun to read you all! <3
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Or maybe his dignified (but patiently disapproving) Lord Astarion face that I love:
Oh, what a touching shot! Thank you, I've added it to my collection! Someone should show me that Astarion photo whenever I misbehave, hehe... I'm imagining my DU getting into a fight with some nobleman at a ball, and has already started a duel of honor, putting her opponent's face on the feasting table, but suddenly sees Lord Astarion's gaze like this, gets embarrassed, lets the victim go, quickly realizes she's a lady, adjusts her dress, and then throughout the dinner expresses herself in an extremely refined manner, observing all the rules of cutlery etiquette without fail.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I also got that impression that it might be more of a friendship type of connection with spawn Astarion, and more of a carnal passion with Ascendant. It also makes sense to me because although he (as the un-ascended version) begins to work through his trauma after dealing with Cazador, physically he is still the same. Compared to the Ascendant, who gains back the appetites he'd lost. It's melancholy for me too, to think that Spawn-version has to keep his hunger forever and has to give up on his dream. It does seem to me like he's repressing some feelings of regret and inner sadness but hides it.
About the friendship type of connection with spawn Astarion, I agree. When I played this version for a bit, in addition to the sadness, it also felt like something... Gone irrevocably. Compared to what started in the second chapter between us. With the Ascended, it seems to me that this passion is more than carnal, it is an all-encompassing passion. Both spiritual and physical union. Like some higher level of relationship development, like a fusion. By the way, in ancient times there was no such concept as “trauma”, but there were concepts of “suffering”, “humiliation” and “revenge”. Revenge is also a step towards healing, revenge erases the past humiliation, elevates over the former tormentor. The avenger can regain his appetite for life, he no longer feels insignificant.The Ascended Astarion gains appetites on a concrete, physical level as well. Of course, abandoning all of this, Astarion will feel regret and sadness, and will suppress them. Tav, who didn't help him Ascend - yes, they are still the only close person in the world, but they are not the person to whom Astarion can fully open up, with whom Astarion can be himself, show himself as he is. This is not the person who understands him, and so Astarion suppresses his feelings and continues to play the role, he becomes “better”. For others. When the larva is gone, all his senses are dulled (except hunger), as a vampire spawn should be.
Originally Posted by Sini
What a clever little evil guy he is.
The whole family is proud of him. Sceleritas often tells him about Orin when he puts him to bed and describes to him exactly how his mom killed Orin and how he didn't like Orin at all.
The boy smiles sweetly whenever Sceleritas' story reaches the description of the final blow in that battle. He is proud of his mother, and then he sleeps sweetly, curled up in a ball under the blanket, and he dreams that he is the true incarnation of Bhaal, that he is Bhaal himself, and he walks through the world, and the world shudders at his footsteps.... When he wakes up, he thinks about wanting ice cream and fireworks from Felogyr's store, and needs to sneak into his sleeping parents' bedroom to wish them good morning, starting to jump on the bed and loudly shouting out his grand plans for the day.
Originally Posted by Sini
That's probably what Astarion always thinks, when he is on adventures with me.
Oh yes, great reaction... I love it! I laughed for a long time when I was in that situation myself, hehe. Makes me want to keep doing wacky things for the sake of his outrage.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Оne of Astarion's postcards to Sceleritas:
My dear Butler-in-law,
I trust that you are taking care of everything at the palace while we are away. By now, I expect you've found a way to free yourself from the sack on the rooftop where I last left you. I hope that has taught you not to leave your bug-crumbs on my pillow. You know, I am feeling very emotional at the thought of not having you near... A great feeling of joy and relief, you understand. Though I'm sure you have been missing us terribly, I can't say I've had the chance to miss you. There are all manner of creatures here with dirty odious faces that remind me of you. Although I must say, it is making me feel quite a bit more at home.
(Postcard has a picture of a decrepit graveyard with the words "Wish you were here")
Imagine Astarion's surprise when the butler shows up right behind him shortly after. "You called for me, milord?"
Awesome!
Originally Posted by Sini
I think they have to look out for each other. I love it when he drinks me dry and then I can constantly accuse him of killing me. Of course it just happened to me by accident that the monastery collapsed on top of him "But there is no evidence of that! There are evidence? It was an accident!"
When I see Astarion screaming and outraged, it makes me want to squeeze into my chair, apologize and reboot, and then I realize it's a video, hehe. One of his most vivid reactions.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
The shrunken clothes + manipulated bathroom scale would make for a very panicked Astarion. And it would make him forget all about punishing Sceleritas. Two birds with one stone... Bat-Astarion will start frantically flying laps around the palace to try getting in shape again.^^'
Dark Urge should start running after him (if he can keep up with the bat) and lecture him on vampire physiology, explaining that an Ascended vampire can't get fat, and that he: “Perfect every time!”
Originally Posted by Celesti4
During the epilogue party,
Shadowheart told my Dark Urge she looks like she gained weight. I chose the "Are you calling me chubby?" I thought it was funny, because it means she's being spoiled with all the good food she wants to eat at home, and Astarion doesn't seem to mind her little weight gain at all. Jaheira says Durge looks like she wants to start a family. Scratch says she smells slightly different. I left Sarevok alive (only knocked him out), so he sent me a letter. In the letter, he foreshadows children for Dark Urge, too. Putting all of these little clues together, in my mind, my Dark Urge might be keeping a little secret from everyone. I know Shadowheart, Jaheira, and Scratch probably say that to everyone, but this all fits so nicely to my headcanon.
Letter from Sarevok:
(As a redeemed Urge, I left Sarevok alive and only knocked him unconscious)
Oh, that's great! Thanks for the tip, now I'll definitely let Sarevok live! I didn't think of that myself, and fought as usual. I'll have to experiment with non-lethal strikes with different opponents in general, maybe something else like that will work!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
His real angry face is like this one, during the hand-mirror scene:
I don't remember him looking like that very often in the game!
Yeah, during the mirror scene, I remember. But he gets so animated afterward when you start telling him how handsome he is! <3 I wish I could tell him something in the style of Shakespeare: “Thy eyes are nothing like the sun, in them beats like a moth a living fire...” I'd write him wreaths of sonnets if I were Tav/DU. After Ascension, I love his lines at the mirror so much, taking him to each mirror along the way so Astarion can admire the beauty in between bloody fights and reckless adventures.
Originally Posted by Sini
Speaking of the Gnolls,
one of my favorite parts is in Act 1 when you convince the Gnolls to fight for you.Why get dirty and fight yourself when others will do it for you.
This is great and look at how Astarion likes this. ^^
Yes, that's the most interesting way to conduct this fight!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
Originally Posted by Sini
In Act 1 you admire the miracle of birth among the Gnolls, in Act 2 you notice what "tough guys" the Gnolls are there, and they also call you "Master". There are suggestions that the Dark Urge also fathered gnolls. There is also an evil ending, which luckily didn't make it into the game, if you cheat on Bhaal and then you're just left to produce Bhaalspawns and mate with every creature. So it's a rather disturbing relationship.
Uugh. I wish I could un-know that. Dark Urge has some bad endings, but I'm glad that one didn't make it in. I can understand shock factor to some extent, but that... idk... Just doesn't sit right.
I agree, it's good that it didn't come into the game. It's pretty disgusting, and the shock factor would work a bit wrong in that case in my opinion. The new endings for Dark Urge in patch 7, though, I think will be very interesting! It's good when bad ideas go away and better ones come in their place.
Originally Posted by Sini
"It's an outfit for when she goes shopping in the city, for example. Astarion at her side,the two of them giggle at something funny, he has his arm around her waist and she leans her head on his shoulder. Scelerias walks behind them, he has a baby carrier around his chest in which he is carrying Astarion Jun. (lol). He throws small stones at birds in a bored manner."
"Poor Sceleritas, but better than a harness and a leash for Astarion Jun. lol ... I imagine a very tiny bat and Sceleritas holds the leash in his hand. Every now and then the little one falls and Sceleritas immediately jumps to catch the tiny bat. Sometimes the little one cries in fright and then wants to be cuddled by everyone. Sceleritas always has blood candies for Astarion Jun. Then they play "Show me your little teeth" and the little one then bites hard into Scelerita's finger.
And Sceleritas cheers him "You are such a cute little Master, and you already bite so nicely. Oh, what a wonderful Dark Urge Ascendant you will be. Yes, your real Grandpa Bhaal, he loves you so much, from him you will receive gifts, that will make every god, devil and demon tremble. You will feast on their blood and they will all bow to you."
" Oh my goodness the smallest little leash for baby Astarion. It would be like a leash for a hamster, so tiny. No one could resist cuddling the little sweetheart. The blood candies are a great idea, and Junior biting into Sceleritas' finger instead of curling his hand around his finger. <3 I bet he has the cutest swaddling blankets and stuffed animals that look like bats and werewolves. When he gets a little older, they can give him things like candy apple, but it's covered in blood instead of caramel."
"Before going to bed, Daddy always plays "Who makes the best evil face" with Astarion Jun. Mommy sometimes sabotages it by secretly standing behind Astarion and making the little one laugh. Astarion sometimes complains that I shouldn't distract the boy too much. But he didn't quickly forget it while smooching.
When he wants to bite Sceleritas finger, his little hands cling to his fingers, he tries to look as angry as possible and licks his lips in concentration. Sceleritas always screams and whines especially for the little prince and praises his cruelty."
"You're too cute to make a Dark Urge face. You'll probably have to practice making an evil face together with Astarion Jun.
"But yes, the picture that you have to sit there with Astarion Jun. to learn to look evil is very cute. And then this little cheeky one looks at you with his evil smile and makes "ROAR". "Look Daddy, I can do this better than Mommy." And then your left hand becomes the Slayer's claw again and you lightly poke him in the chest with the tip. "Mommy doesn't have to be able to look evil! Can the tiny bat fly faster than the Slayer can run?" The little one looks at you with big eyes and spontaneously hiccups. "Astarion Darling, I think your son needs a new diaper"."
"Dignified as Astarion is, he changes his diaper and while doing so he says to him "Ok, here we go little man, we have to do some work on your dignity too. Lesson No. 1: Don't upset your mom! The useless butler will definitely tell you stories about your mom said and Sceleritas says she has become much more approachable since the little accident with the dagger, but old behavior patterns often appear when you anger her. Advice from big men: "Don't do it!". For Daddy, her behavior is sexy , for you, as you've probably noticed, undignified.""
"Junior asks, "But Daddy, what if mommy does get mad?" Astarion: "Don't you worry. Mommy will always take out her anger on your grandpa, and he doesn't mind. Then, daddy will work his little 'magic' at night, and mommy will be feeling much better after she wakes up in the morning.""
"Mommy floats lightly over to the two of them and says to Jr. "Ask Daddy what kind of magic he uses." You look at Astarion, smile and whisper to him "Look daddy, I can make an evil face." "
Oh, awesome! The cutest family of villains in all of Faerûn! <3
Originally Posted by Celesti4
A portrait with one of Sceleritas' photobombs and the ittybitty baby bat resting on DarkUrge Eden's head:
<3
How wonderful! They are so beautiful and cute! <3 Thank you, this will be one of the warmest art in my Astarion collection!
Originally Posted by Celesti4
I think some of the most evil things you can do is to tell people what they want to hear and then betray them. Or anything that requires being sneaky. Maybe moar of things like poisoning the keg. xD
I always fool the spawns in the cages that we'll save them. But it's also for rational reasons - Sebastian might put a curse on Astarion if we told the truth. And besides, why should they suffer while waiting for death that's inevitable? With Nettie and her poison, I too wish I could just trick her, take the poison and just use that poison as a resource, for example by smearing it on a weapon. It's unfortunate that I can't explain this to Astarion, and he would then think I'm a fool to actually be willing to take that poison, and give disapproval.
Originally Posted by Sini
Anyone who jokes about it will face the worst punishment... but what would you want to punish a Bhaalist? Be locked in a pink room for little girls?
A pink little girls' room with soft walls, toy ponies and princess dolls (enchanted so they can't have their heads ripped off). And a soft toy dagger that they cannot cut with, but whenever they try to stab one pony or princess with it, the dagger sings silly children's songs about being a good boy.
Originally Posted by Sini
Here's the complete conversation after Astarion drank me dry.
I make Astarion drink my blood every night so he can get his buff. Can he drink your blood?
Personally, I differentiate between being Tav or Dark Urge. As a Dark Urge, I definitely understand Astarion. As a Dark Urge, I don't mind him drinking my blood. He is killing me, okay ... we live in a world full of magic and strange creatures. As a Dark Urge, I've been revived so many times that I'll pass it off as a minor accident. Especially since the Dark Urge definitely takes pleasure in pain and death, especially in himself. For my Dark Urge Astarion is initially nothing more than a path to immortality (being immortal is always relative) after knowing he is a vampire and I'm thinking about what price Cazador is willing to pay. I just don't like the point about being spawn and him having total control.
I also prefer the option of letting Astarion drink all my blood to the end and not throwing any checks, the only pity is that in that case I lose his line of thanks when he turns around, saying “That was a gift. Thank you, I won't forget it.” The first time he bit me, I really wanted to feed the vampire properly, I think there is a special connection that happens during the bite. I wish I hadn't blamed him for finishing me off, but I wish I could say I let him. After all, what is death and resurrection in this world? 200 coins? Astarion will get it back soon enough by emptying someone's chests or pockets. At least he ate properly for the first time. To me, there's no difference between Tav and DU. My Tav has also been killed in battle and resurrected multiple times, so it doesn't cost anything for her to die a much more pleasant death once. I always play as a DU now because, DU has more plot, more story, more interactions with Astarion, and with Tav I just screwed up the first time I mistook DU for a companion. The difference between the two is that with Tav I can imagine a separate story of her past, while the DU has her own story. I got a tougher and more evil DU than past Tav, and my Tav didn't love Astarion right away, but over time, found him quite problematic at first because of his disapproval. And with DU it already turned out that as soon as Astarion put a dagger to her throat, so everything - “I want, my boyfriend, you, sweetie, will be mine, what eyes, what a nice evil face!”. Astarion still worries that the others will find out that he is a vampire, and is not aware that he has practically fallen into the clutches of a passionate and evil woman. My character doesn't worry much about control - it's something like: “Once upon a time there was a vampire, and he was angry and hungry. He was fed once, fed twice, fed three times... And then - bang! Ascension and he is already married. And most importantly, he wanted it, he's happy with it, and he thinks he's in charge of the family! Great plan!” Astarion, too, takes his “leap of faith” at this. He binds himself to his beloved forever, and if she ever wants to betray him, to leave him, he will be very unhappy, because this person is the only one in the whole world for him, the one he wants to be close to forever. I think they are both connected. Astarion is strongly attached emotionally. Also, I prefer a vampire bride over a spawn (although I really like Astarion's line, “My little spawn!”), and it's a mutual bond. The bride will also develop vampiric powers with her lover. The conversion ritual goes as a bride ritual by all rules, and the animation of the conversion scene matches.
I wished the game could regularly let Astarion finish my blood to the end like the first time, because paying 200 coins is more to my liking than going around all day with an anti-buff because I'm bitten.
Originally Posted by Celesti4
In my last playthrough, for some reason the dialogue option to invite him to feed on you doesn't appear. I think it's either a bug, or it doesn't appear because I told him he can feed off of the enemies we come across.
Yes, it's because of the enemies! I had the same puncture the first time, there was no dialog option, I was biting myself with Astarion without dialog, just applying his bite on Tav. You need to be sure to tell him after the first bite that he can bite you (so there's a line).