Originally Posted by AnnaMyrk
Gods, though I've become untouchable, my precious treasure has been violated still.
I just want to say thank you very much AnnaMyrk for making me aware of this AA quote. galehearteyes I didn't know he calls Tav his precious treasure another time (outside of the regular click-dialogue). This says a lot. And it seems like he's half talking to himself here, like thinking out loud.

Originally Posted by AnnaMyrk
So the most adequate option I see is just giving players a choice between the standard kiss and the ones coming in patch 7. And I agree that it is in the transformation scene that this choice should be made, depending on which dialog you choose.

I second this opinion. If there is any kind of choice option added, maybe the best one would be the option of two types of kisses, like D/s or regular romantic kiss. Maybe branching from the initial "Let it hurt / Be gentle" choice. But as has already been mentioned a few times before, I honestly doubt Larian will do so at this point. This was already a suggestion that had been put forth by many people after Patch6 first came out, and Larian decided not to do that. In the end it's still the studio's decision.

Originally Posted by Jinetemoranco
As I've said before: the worst offenders are the orgasmic face at the throat grab (or that kiss in general) and the face Tav makes after being slapped.
Just an observation from me, but I tested how the kisses look on a halfling (among other races). You can see that there isn't a real slap there. It's more like he pushes the character's face to the side with his fingers. It might be that way for other races/body types too, but the camera angle could make it harder to see it clearly on them. Her face also looked very mild/neutral during the kisses. Idk, I could be reading into the differences too much.
As LiryFire has mentioned, the throat grab is meant to be pleasurable for Tav. Though I can understand that not everyone would want their character to enjoy that. That's why it would have been nice ideally to have different types of kisses with more of a balance. Personally I would have liked to have the original Patch5 kiss brought back into the rotation, but it wasn't.

Originally Posted by Marielle
Is it possible to imagine that Astarion controls Tav so much that he makes them smile, i.e. even their facial expressions don't belong to them now?
Interesting, and I've thought about this perspective as well. I feel like it would be easier to imagine a Tav who has been turned by Astarion would react positively. Currently the only spawn-specific way to respond to Karlach's comments on Astarion's ascension is with a very affirmative: "You dare question my lord Astarion?"
And when my character first comes over to talk to AA after the turning night, her eyes/gaze looks like she's mesmerized by him. Again, just my interpretation of how her face is animated there.

Originally Posted by Ryzaki
Yeah please change those overly exaggerated horror face kisses. They look ridiculous (I'm not overly fond of the overly exaggerated expressions on Tav/Durge's face most of the time and these kisses are like a prime example of how cartoony they can look)

The kisses themselves are extremely silly in that Tav/Durge has this overly exaggerated cartoony horror look on their face, goes to smiling for a quick second, then back to the clown horror face. It makes my PC look ridiculous especially when every kiss is some variation of this. It takes me out so bad I had to use a stoic expression mod because it's just way way too exaggerated.

I'm not sure why the expressions weren't more neutral from the start to avoid a lot of this to begin with.
I still can't believe those ridic horror faces ever made it into the game to begin with, either.

Originally Posted by Ametris
Patch 6 was a mess. Not only did It change the narrative that was there from the beginning, but it also included new additions that contradicted each other. I created a pic to illustrate it:

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To me, patch 7 is akin to a game-breaking bug fix that took longer than it should have.
Well said, and you gave great examples. It was the same for me. :'(

Originally Posted by Ametris
There are no options to express your misery to the other companions during the epilogue party. Tav and Astarion can only bicker like a wedded couple.
Agree with this! I enjoy that dialogue even though my character is happy with him, due to the way it's written and handled.