Originally Posted by Marielle
Originally Posted by Elly
Alright, let me give a different example:
Tav being coerced into sleeping with Haarlep in the House of Hope, when the only other option is to fight your way out.
This has also been in the game since Patch 1.

Does Haarlep force anyone to have sex with him? He suggests it, in a somewhat pushy and vulgar way, but I don't see how one incubus can force such a thing on the leader of a 4-man battlegroup who has met tougher opponents before. It's a pretty fun enemy, but no more than that. It's up to the player to agree to Haarlep's proposal if that's what they want. I've now watched this scene on YouTube - and in my opinion, it's a normal intimate scene, completely acceptable in an R-rated game, not needing any additional warnings. I will admit that I have seen a variant of the censorship in the form of squares on the screen that the author of the video put up, but I'm assuming those squares are just masking the naked body. If anyone has been through this scene themselves, they could confirm or deny my assessment. If you mean that Haarlep subsequently has some sort of effect on Tav (I've read about it), it's expressed in plot description, not in the form of an explicit video sequence. Also, this only happens if Tav fails the check, otherwise Haarlep can't do it. It seems to me that a player for whom something like this would be very unpleasant from an emotional standpoint would simply not choose this, and kill Haarlep.

I used this scene as an example because it can be potentially triggering in a similar way, even if it isn't to you personally.
If the only options available are sleeping with Haarlep or having to fight him to the death, that's coercion, it affects the player character, not an NPC,
and it's very possible for this to be triggering for someone.
You think the Haarlep scene doesn't need warnings. Other people may think the AA kisses don't. Either way, both of these things are optional and can be avoided. That was what I meant.

Originally Posted by Ametris
Astarion was a magistrate and making deals and exchanging favours is his thing. You going back on your word, despite him telling you what you're signing up for and seeing first-hand how obssessive vampire lords can be must be oddly hilarious to him. His laugh about it seems to confirm it. I don't see Tav being particularly dramatic in the party scene, Shadowheart still says you look well-fed, Astarion admits to making sure you have the best life possible. Again, no options to show Tav being desperate and needing help from the others. During the party Tav seems to behave more like a bored housewife who wants to go on an adventure on her own more than anything else. Again, that's just my impression, and let's leave it at that, because we're not gonna agree anyways.

Just to add my view to this - Tav not having the option to ask the other companions for help could be a result of Astarion having compelled them not to. It could also be another result of the epilogues not being polished, like the narrator not acknowledging if you chose to travel the world with him before. I don't think either narrative (a happy or a trapped Tav) is invalidated in the epilogue, and in my opinion, it shouldn't be in the kisses either.