Originally Posted by ladyincognita
Some of us never interpreted it as a kink or bdsm thing though, which is precisely the reason why the new expressions bother us. In fact, if it was supposed to be bdsm/kinky, the old expressions might even still apply because a lot of bdsm is based on cnc, and that is also a valid kink to have and shouldn’t be shamed either.

Edit: Also, I’m sorry, but going back and forth between calling the kisses a kink and SA makes it hard for me to pinpoint why exactly you’re against the addition of a toggle. If you think they’re a depiction of SA, wouldn’t Tav reacting positively be even more disturbing?

I don't know where you got your information - I am concerned by your statement. BDSM is already often misjudged and condemned. Yes, I know, and I think that's why there are so much lack of understanding and players condemning and belittle us for letting Astarion ascend in the romance.

Originally Posted by ladyincognita
a lot of bdsm is based on cnc
No. That's not true.
Originally Posted by ladyincognita
cnc, and that is also a valid kink to have and shouldn’t be shamed either.
Yes consensual non-consensual would be a valid kink. But it isn't and it is not received as cnc. (You stated yourself: "Some of us never interpreted it as a kink or bdsm thing though, which is precisely the reason why the new expressions bother us")
Originally Posted by ladyincognita
In fact, if it was supposed to be bdsm/kinky, the old expressions might even still apply
Yes, for us it was supposed, there are a lot of hints as mentioned above, like posting it for the "love is in the air"-Patch to promote their patch and the use of BDSM elements. And again, I find it concerning, how many people misjudge this scene: No, like this, it is not consensual non-con, it is non-con or

abuse / rape fantasies, it shows sexual violence
as the reasons, we have discussed and even pictured before several times, I will not repeat it, but you might read the two old threads about it and how people got seriously affected by having seen SV.
Originally Posted by ladyincognita
Edit: Also, I’m sorry, but going back and forth between calling the kisses a kink and SA makes it hard for me to pinpoint why exactly you’re against the addition of a toggle. If you think they’re a depiction of SA, wouldn’t Tav reacting positively be even more disturbing?
No, a consensual kiss is not disturbing - at least for the majority of people. And at least 90 % prefer the kiss to be consensual. It's easy: If the scene is consensual, then it is a kink/bdsm thing or D/s dynamics, if the kiss is non-consensual, then (and it doesn't need! and shouldn't use BDSM elements in order not to bring the community further into disrepute) it is a depiction of SV respectively
rape / abuse fantasies.

Originally Posted by neprostoman
On a side note, I can't understand such hyperfocus on one aspect of the game, when there is plenty to like. If something feels out of place, I don't lose my shit, I justify it for myself or pretend it never happened and continue playing the way I want. .

In general, I would agree with you. We are looking forward to the new patch, for the brand new evil endings and overall improvements of differents things smile

The way the kisses seem to be enhanced in the upcoming patch 7 and the description sounds like Larian now had an expert with them to make the adjustments. *thumbs up*

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