Originally Posted by Elly
Originally Posted by Zayir
And do you want to see abuse or a romantic kiss?

I think you misunderstand me. My point is that not everyone will start seeing something they considered abusive before as romantic because their character suddenly has to react to it with smiles. They don't want it decided for them that this is how their character would react. It's not a matter of "wanting to see abuse", it's that that's already what they see, and they may not be comfortable with their characters having to smile in reaction.

It was just a question. Would you see then the consensual scene as not romantic enough or appropiate for a consensual romance? Which exact animations of Astarion do you consider as abusive or not appropiate ? Would another and more romantic kiss then solve this problem? Could you live with such a compromise?

Originally Posted by Elly
but probably the same things you also see as abuse now, but wouldn't anymore if Tav's expressions changed.
I doubt that. You haven't stated yet, what exactly you find abusive in the kiss. So, what is it?

Originally Posted by Elly
You think Tav smiling would change the meaning of the scenes. Others may still see them the same way they did before, as nothing AA does will change, only now without their Tavs being allowed to react in a way that feels in character or appropriate to them.

I do. That's called consensus, the be-all and end-all. If you think, a smile is not enough for showing consent, maybe it's a thing for Feedback. I haven't seen this scene, but everyone who has seen them, stated, it is consensual now, and Tav is enjoying Astarion as well as Astarion is enjoying Tav, though there was also the opinion, that there is still a little concern on Tav.

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