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I know there is a choice in the scene where he turns Tav, but that's a different situation than asking for a kiss, before Tav is his spawn, and not a repeatable action.

Why is this a “different situation”? The transformation scene shows AA listening to Tav's wishes.

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Yes, AA used to have the same kiss as Spawn.


If a tender kiss was AA's before, why can't it be now? Why don't you ask for it?

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Deciding for every player that their Tav would have that kind of reaction to his kisses, after six months of showing them as consistently confused and unsettled, would ruin many players' idea of who their characters are, including mine.

Again, this topic is much broader than your idea of your Tav. We're talking specifically about AA and his personality as a character. The AA I knew before patch 6 and the AA I saw in patch 6 are different people. By asking to keep the emotion of fear, you're essentially asking for AA to remain the rapist it became in patch 6. Do you think your gaming experience and the experience of players who came after patch 6 is more important than the gaming experience of people who have been playing since the game's release? Furthermore, people who played before patch 6 are suggesting a compromise that will suit everyone in terms of roleplaying.

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I could say the same thing about the Patch 7 change and wanting Tav to smile.

Isn't what the character was originally realized to be is more important than what they made him to be in one patch with just a couple animations? Animations that are taken out of the overall context and narrative by globally spitting on the character's personality? That's not the same thing. Larian might as well have added a scene in patch 7 in which AA punches Tav in the face with the words “Don't be stupid, darling.” when he tries to break up with him, and dialog in the epilogue implying that Tav is on a rat diet. This will certainly satisfy some people who will get their beliefs about AA's route and “cycle of abuse” confirmed, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable or even fair.

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And I don't agree that AA would like being told how to kiss Tav.

In the scene of Tav transforming into spawn, he didn't mind when Tav expressed a request to be gentler \ to hurt, so I tend to focus on the facts of the game.

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You don't have to tell me that. It's also exactly why many of the people asking for an option to keep the old expressions here don't want it to be presented as a kink, if I'm not mistaken. Which is what a switch to the new expressions for everyone would do.

These are the kinks taken from the spawn conversion scene. It's all from there - knees, neck, bites. Only the transformation scene was consensual and Tav had a choice, the kissing is an inappropriate display of violence not justified from a plot point of view, just like AA's character. By making happy faces, Larian will bring this context and plot back to where it was from the beginning. Do you really think the “cycle of abuse” should be shown in this way? Through fanservice on February 14? If Larian wanted to show the cycle of abuse and physical violence in this route, they should have done it from the beginning and been much more serious about it.

Last edited by AnnaMyrk; 17/08/24 08:51 PM.