Originally Posted by Elly
Originally Posted by Mordred92
Originally Posted by Elly
Again, that it "turned the character upside down" is your opinion. The kisses and Tav's reactions to them were an intentional addition, and at least one of them has been in the game files for much longer than Patch 6 (you could see it in Karlach's origin route). It didn't change the narrative, it added to one that already existed, that being the story of a Tav who feels scared and trapped.

The way you sometimes mention Karlach's kiss is a bit misleading.
It's true that that kiss has always been in the game but, until patch 6, it wasn't an AA kiss, but a spawn Astarion kiss (and it still is with Karlach). When it happens we are still in act II and it was a kiss created on purpose between Astarion and Karlach.

I meant it's been in the game files for a while, not in the AA romance route. I'm not sure if it still is a Karlach/Spawn Astarion kiss too now, but I think it's very possible the animation was always meant for AA (his new lines for the kisses have also been in the files since long before Patch 6) and was being tested in Karlach's Origin.

Originally Posted by Mordred92
They considered it suitable for AA not because of Karlach's expressions or for who knows what other reason, but simply because in it Astarion appears dominant, self-confident.

Can't it be both?

If it was a test animation it wouldn't have been inserted into the game at all, much less put with only one character and in such a specific moment. They would have kept it hidden, not playable like the AA lines (which were then inserted later).
As far as I know that kiss was created specifically for Astarion and Karlach as a first kiss.
It then became an AA kiss at the request of fans, I remember that even here on the forum there were messages in which some players talked about it.
I remember that people liked it for AA because he looks at the neck and for the confidence.

Last edited by Mordred92; 25/08/24 08:52 PM.