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I'm sorry, if you really think "abusive" means "just grumbling", I don't know how to have this conversation. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

He's reprimanding Tav, not making death threats like you're trying to make it sound.

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And that's fine. It's also fine if someone has a different interpretation and doesn't think the kisses were ever out of character.

Just as a facts:

1. The kisses were tender.
2. AA didn't do anything Tav didn't like, like grabbing his throat, only if Tav didn't want him to.
3. Tav's opinion was taken into account.
3. there were no moments in the game where Tav was panic-stricken by anything AA said or did.

You believe these kisses are not out of character, fine, but don't say it was BEFORE patch 6. These kisses confirmed your interpretation, but don't say it was before. The way you're fighting for them now, claiming that without those kisses, the abuse narrative will disappear from the game... speaks volumes.

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I'm not sure what the question is here? It has never before been decided for me that my character would love being choked or told to kneel out of nowhere when they ask for a kiss.

Funny thing is, before patch 6 Astarion didn't make you do any of the above unless you consented to it.

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What can be triggering is the jarring dissonance between what we see in the kisses and Tav's reactions to them. You don't have to understand why a narrative was important to someone or why something is triggering for another person to respect it.


You're not respecting that for me the character was destroyed by patch 6 and the concept of kissing where there is no consent, which wasn't the case before this patch. It's a trigger not just for me though, but for a huge number of fans of this route.

Last edited by AnnaMyrk; 25/08/24 10:37 PM.