Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Astarion Spawn Ending- change request

Personally, I don't mind that the ending is sequenced the way it is. It would just be nice if Wyll could step and do his thing without player-input in case you are Avatar-Astarion (or Lae'zel) and if the game in general would register if someone had a roll of darkness in their pocket, or the spell on their bar with the spell slot to cast it.

Completely agree with everything Jessiemeows said. It makes me sad to see how neglected spawn Astarion's path is in comparison to his other route. Yes, I would like if Wyll had agency in Karlach's scene, too. Casting Darkness makes complete sense and it's a weird omission, frankly. I can see Astarion still hiding since he later admits that he felt ashamed, but at least we could feel confident that he wasn't BURNING TO DEATH. My ideal would still be running after him though. I like Karlach, but Astarion is my #1

Yeah, my issue is with the player's inability to react to something so significant. I can't really think of another scene in the game that remotely compares. I know this isn't the case but it feels like you're being glitched out of a scene that was meant to play, as you were with Karlach's scene on the docks when it wasn't playing.

While some of the companion reactions were dick-ish that's just how they were written and that was fine to me. So I was disappointed when they changed their reactions because I figured it meant they were never going to fix what was actually wrong with the scene. I understand that it's meant to reflect the tragic loss in his situation, but it's just not believable that an MC who cares about the character at all wouldn't follow him to make sure he's not dead lol. The explanation of him isolating himself afterward if he's not the player's romance choice doesn't change how weird it feels in the moment.

If they do end up creating a cinematic for it I hope it's not an option locked behind his romance, especially because the player is forced into Karlach's scene and allowed to go to Avernus with her whether they romance her or not. I don't have a problem with this, it just doesn't make sense when you can't even choose to check on your other companion who is in danger. In a very similar way actually. They're both catching on fire lol.

Also want to add that the MC starting to go after him but being forced to stop and run after Karlach doesn't rectify the situation at all. It's an unnecessary forced choice that won't make sense for a lot of players, and it would be really obvious that it was only there because they didn't want to create a new scene. I say it's unnecessary because Astarion is literally right there even though the player can't see him (bc they didn't bother to check) and they can extend his scene for a minute longer before the scene with Karlach plays.

I don't know if they're allowed to add new voice lines at this point because the deal with wotc is ended, but a cinematic of the player going after him and making sure he's okay where he is for the moment before they check on Karlach would be enough. Maybe they hand him a cloak or something. It would be nice if it was voiced or if there was a brief dialogue option for the player but again, I don't know if they can do that legally now.

It's also obviously something they can do fairly quickly since they added in the scene with Karlach in Avernus like two weeks after people complained/asked for it.

would like to leave my agreement with a change for this scene as well. i think at that point in the game, everyone is somewhat close with each other and you can see that the player does not get a decision whether or not to rush to karlach, so i think it is safe to assume tav would also check up on astarion, romanced or not. i think if the order of events were different, but that cannot be changed now. still, i would love something. while i would love for gale to just cast darkness, or pull out a big umbrella, i think it is important for astarion to have this scene, as kind of a visible consequence of the tadpole being gone, as much as it sucks. but i would love to at least have a short scene that makes it look like tav at least wants to check on him.

I really think the best way to deal with Astarion running off would be to reverse the order of the scenes.

Tav at the time of Astarion's scene doesn't know Karlach is about to burn up, that's meta knowledge. So Tav let's him run off, even though in that moment there's no reason not to chase after him.

It would be nice if Wyll and Tav could have a "You got her, I got him" kind of moment if you've gotten Wyll to blade of Avernus status.

Thematically, it might make even more sense to have Astarion start to run off, but everyone contributes to getting him out of the sunlight. He's not alone anymore, ya? It would be nice to have a moment where the entire group supports him. He's got a support system now where he didn't have one before.

For me the companion reactions are fine as is and I wouldn't even mind if they were only there if the player doesn't decide to go after him if given the choice. I feel like any further changes to their reactions are unnecessary.

The issue has always been that the player isn't allowed to go after him. Even if there is no solution to shield him offered in the moment, it can be implied that you'll find one before the scene ends and it then either goes to Karlach's scene or cuts to the ending scene if she's not in the party.