Originally Posted by Sarene
Originally Posted by MaryQueen
From what I know in EA it seems like Tav/dark urge were the same character. TAV had some strange murderous vision at the end of one of "Daisy" (the guardian) dream.
I think they chose to separate the two origins because Durge is a very dark character, and it kind of limit the chance to roleplay.
Still, while I can't play Durge as a shining knight, I find their story of redemption much more compelling then playing a blank slate like Tav.

And honestly I don't understand why they said to save Durge for a second playthrough because "the story changes too much".

I mean, almost all death are avoidable and you can roleplay as a "good" character. The changes are the connection that Durge has to the story, that is much more compelling.

Again, the only problem is the lack of reactivity, that I can't still "forgive" apart for that scene.

Seriously? I didn't know they were originally the same character. I wish I had played Early Access to appreciate all the things that have changed and to be able to experience all the content that no longer exists.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I wish they hadn't made two separate characters and gone all in on Durge. This would have allowed that the story of our character and the story of the game were better connected, potentially resulting in an excellent and richer narrative. Dark, yes, but compelling, well-written and solid.

But I also understand that people like to create their own headcanon about their character's background and this gives them more freedom to roleplay, and that the darkness surrounding Durge is not everyone's cup of tea. On the other hand I also think that a lot of casual players don't get to deep and give Durge a chance because they think that playing them takes you away all freedom to roleplay and forces you to do evil, when we know that this doesn't have to be the case and actually, the path of redemption is -in my opinion- more satisfying to play.

Anyway, sorry for rambling on with my thoughts xD


Yes, if you search "BG3 EA Daisy Dream" you'll esaily find some video. In the last dream the narrator says "Something inside you clamours for blood, for death, and only the tear of flesh will do. It wants him (to kill Daisy)"
And then you have the choice "Resist him and the URGE".

So I think we can safely say that they were the same character. I understand their choice though, but as you said many players probably didn't give the Durge a chance thinking you need to be evil or that it's like the other Origins where you play a specific character. Honestly I would've preferred if instead of letting us play us Karlach/SH/Astarion etc., that I don't enjoy because you lose their great VA and it feels like playing a lobotomized version and not really them (I cringed so hard when I realized playing as Lazael all the lines are the same except for one/two occasionally that fits her), they made a better Durge/TAV.