RQ, I apologize, I put it all under a spoiler.



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What a mean thing to say to someone, especially when people saying they didn't know if they could play anymore was also a sentiment that was echoed here repeatedly during the Patch 6 kiss threads. Even then, where I felt some users were being nasty towards the people who wanted gentler kisses, I didn't see anyone saying "great idea, don't play it then."

I honestly believe that people who think the AA route is an abusive cycle and AA is a rapist in no way can be fans of it. And they can safely play the spawn route that exists for their comfort and their preference. Not requiring adding problematic things to the AA route. I consider the latter to be a mean thing to do.

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I hope when I say this we avoid getting into the arguments about why "actually back then it was valid because x" because people here have expressed that, for example, the new ones are triggering to them, and I'm tired of them being presumed liars for it.


And I'm tired of anti-AAs pretending to be his fans when it's become strategically convenient.

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Or, similarly, that "back then it was okay because personally I think it was OOC", because then we go back into the circular debate about what's in character and what isn't.


Was something like this in the game before patch 6? If it wasn't, then it's OOC. That is, many of them claim to have seen it all between the lines, but it didn't actually happen. Argue with the script and facts if you want.



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To put it simply, any opinions of why "it was okay to say that back then" apply to why it is okay now for people to make the same statements, but about the opposite situation. Any distinctions between those two end up being subjective judgements that feel like people are implying that players that feel very bothered by the new kisses aren't valid for their opinions.

The opinion that AA wasn't a rapist until patch 6 isn't a subjective opinion, it's an objective opinion. I don't need to hypothesize and stretch my imagination to prove that AA didn't physically abuse Tav until patch 6, unlike those who prove otherwise. If it were otherwise, the authors of these videos wouldn't have to resort to mods and editing to show violence and fear in the AA route. It would already be in the game. But those kisses only fit into that narrative. And many of those who have unsubscribed here for expressing fear are claiming, without exaggeration, that ALL of that was in play and should remain.

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I think everyone's entitled to express why they think they should or shouldn't change the kisses according to their own opinion without attacking that of others or even questioning their validity in playing that route or liking to play that route and now feeling that has been tarnished.

You're free to think what you want, but so am I.

Last edited by AnnaMyrk; 12/09/24 11:44 AM.