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I'm sure there are other threads that cover this but for the life of me I cannot find any so I decided to ask in a new thread. If anyone wants to link in a past thread on this discussion I would be happy to read up on what has been discussed before.

I just recently completed my 3 playthrough to take advantage of Honor mode and when I came to the final visit to the Astral Plane where I was set on freeing Orpheus from being a captive of the Emporer. For the final section of the game I took Shadowheart, Lae'zel and Karlach with my own Tav character. This time being that I didn't want my character to become Illithid to save the world and Karlach offers pretty quickly to do it, it did get me thinking that if I hadn't had Karlach with me and I still didn't want to become illithid it seems very odd given that in my playthrough Lae'zel became a devotee extreme of the Prince of the Comet to the point that his offering to become illithid doesn't really cause Lae'zel to offer even though she argues that he shouldn't make that sacrifice. My take on Lae'zel at this point would seem to be that she would want to save her prince from that fate given she has fully rejected Vlaketh in favor of being devoted to Orpheus. What do others think? Maybe I'm off my nut but it just really feels like Lae'zel would offer if Karlach and Tav don't offer to do it.

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I went in with Gale, Karlach and Lae'zel.
Each of them offered to sacrifice themselves in one way or another. I still have the savegame to see how it pans out when Orpheus does it,
but I may just leave this for a second playthrough.

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I thought it odd at first too but thinking about it, Lae'zel does not have a very self-sacrificing nature and becoming the thing she hates to save her community seems to be where she draws the line. Karlach and possibly Gale offer to die for their friends' sake, in Karlach's case because she thinks the end is near anyway and in Gale's case because of his chronically low self-worth, but both of those choices, I feel, are not really presented in a positive light - and even if you eat the bullet yourself, it might have unfortunate consequences later on.

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Originally Posted by Anska
I thought it odd at first too but thinking about it, Lae'zel does not have a very self-sacrificing nature and becoming the thing she hates to save her community seems to be where she draws the line. Karlach and possibly Gale offer to die for their friends' sake, in Karlach's case because she thinks the end is near anyway and in Gale's case because of his chronically low self-worth, but both of those choices, I feel, are not really presented in a positive light - and even if you eat the bullet yourself, it might have unfortunate consequences later on.

I do see your point my thought though is that if you take Lae'zel down the path of defying Vlaketh her motivation become to defend Orpheus to the point that she threatens Tav at any hint he/she will betray Orpheus as she now sees Orpheus as the only one that can save her people. I'm not saying that she would willing sacrifice herself for anyone but it just feels like at this point her devotion to Orpheus would superseed any feeling of self-preservation because she sees Orpheus as the only way her people can be free of Vlaketh. After all she has a meltdown if you side with the Emporer and what that means for her peoples ablity to throw off the tyrany of Vlaketh. She is after all on her way to being Illithid anyway.

Just food for thought. It was something that struck me the third time through when I wanted a way to save Orpheus for the sake of the Githyanki as a whole.

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