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I guess these are minor early game spoilers, so

Gale is 700+ miles from home, and he's been more of a depressed recluse since he's been stuck with the orb of Karsus. Unless I'm missing something, that means the nautiloid would've had to pay a visit to his tower specifically.

Shadowheart: It had to be during her heist of the prism, but where was that?

The other origin characters are easier to figure out. For the heck of it:

Astarion: Squidnapped from the streets in pursuit of another sacrifice for Cazador.

Durge: Already in a pod onboard, after Orin and Kressa had their ways with them. Tangent: why is he left naked in the bedroom when nobody selects Durge? Bhaalists are weird!

Karlach: Snuck aboard during the gith attack, but quiet is hard for her so she got got.

Lae'zel: She had to be support for the dragon riders. She couldn't be trying to recover the artefact yet because she is surprised to see it and doesn't recognize it beyond knowing it's gith in origin.

Wyll: Chasing Karlach. Seems like Mizora would've intervened, given how useful he is though.

I know it's silly to overanalyze something trivial like this, but I'm in the mood for it lol.

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I'm pretty sure Gale mentions something about eventually leaving his tower specifically to look for a solution to the orb problem.

I believe the prism heist took place in Baldur's Gate. SH mentions that's what she's used to since she's been there her whole (That she can remember) life. So logically if she was part of the heist it most likely occurred in BG itself.

In regards to Wyll, Mizora wouldn't have intervened because 1) She is not omniscient and constantly watching every second of Wyll's life (She has other things to do in her life and other pawns to manipulate) and 2) Uhh...
Act 2 shows that she's not particularly capable of taking on the Absolute's army and succeeding. What with her being stuck inside a pod being prepped for a tadpole...

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For basically all companions there is no explanation and Larian didn't care to make a concise story.


Gale: Was travelling when he was snatched up, but the Nautiloid was nit anywhere near Waterdeep or Baldurs Gate, so must have been captured by the cult and only loaded into the Nautiloid before it launched. Why did no one notice that they had captured a chosen and one if the most powerful person on the planet, thus also being quite famous? Don't think about it, Larian certainly didn't.

Karlach and Wyll: Yes the Nautiloid went through hell. But only for a few minutes at both high speed and altitude with neither Karlach or Wyll can fly or teleport. How did they get on biard and got tadpoled before the ship crashed when most of the Nautiloids crew was dead? Don't think about it, Larian didn't.

Astarion: Must have been snatched by the cult in Baldurs Gate at night as he can't leave the city. And just to make it clear, the city the Nautiloid attacked in the intro was nit Baldurs Gate. So for some reason the cult left him untadpoled, loaded him onto the ship and only tadpoles him there, all the while somehow managing to keep him restrained and not burning him to death.

Shadowhearts story is at least so vague that you can come up with some explanation when it could have happened.

You also have to consider that the Nautiloid was not on a farming mission to get more people but on a highly dangerous attack mission and thus would be staffed by already tadpoled people who have proven to be powerful. It would not tadpole people on the go.

The only one who has a reasonable story of how they ended up on the Nautiloid is Lae'zel.

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@Ixal: Harsh, lol.

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I agree with Ixal. Frankly it also doesn't make sense why the nautiloid attacked the city in the opening cinematic. It was on a heist mission to get the prism, taking a detour and causing a highly visible ruckus that by all rights should be talked about up and down the sword coast seems like a super dumb idea. It also doesn't make sense why they'd have untadpoled prisoners on the ship either. I've said before, but Larian wrote themselves into a corner by declaring that that scene, which was the trailer scene, would also be the opening scene of the game, at a stage when they were clearly still figuring out the story. It's my pet theory that that was the choice from which basically all the narrative problems of the main plot stemmed.

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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
It was on a heist mission to get the prism, taking a detour and causing a highly visible ruckus that by all rights should be talked about up and down the sword coast seems like a super dumb idea.

Unless this WAS the heist mission.

If the Prism Heist was occuring in Baldur's Gate, then swooping in and taking it before the Gith get their hands on it would be considered worthwhile, despite the problems it that its noteriety would cause.

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It also doesn't make sense why they'd have untadpoled prisoners on the ship either.

It grabbed them during the attack. You literally see it in the cinematic, the tentacles slap bunches of people and they get poofed into the pods.

Thus, it's highly likely that this is where the Origins/Tav get picked up. Them being random bystanders who simply happened to get grabbed during the attack (With of course Karlach/Wyll coming from the brief jaunt in Avernus)

As for why grabbing random people?

It could be a way to mask the real reason for the attack. If you make it seem like just a random abduction attack then you don't raise the suspicions of the Gith about the fact that you were directly targeting the Prism Heist (Which seemed to have worked because the Gith had no idea that the crashed Nautiloid contained the Prism and that survivors of the crash would carry it directly to them)

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Originally Posted by Taril
Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
It was on a heist mission to get the prism, taking a detour and causing a highly visible ruckus that by all rights should be talked about up and down the sword coast seems like a super dumb idea.

Unless this WAS the heist mission.

If the Prism Heist was occuring in Baldur's Gate, then swooping in and taking it before the Gith get their hands on it would be considered worthwhile, despite the problems it that its noteriety would cause.

Firstly, that city is actually confirmed as being Yartar, not Baldur's Gate. That confirmation was from the devs, not the game so I don't blame you for not knowing that. If it were Baldur's Gate, then the writing would be even worse because A) why would they need to send a nautiloid to get it given they're already based in the city and B) no one in the city ever talks about the nautiloid, which would be insane given the chaos of the attack.

Beyond that, it's been a long while since I played so maybe I've just forgotten, but wasn't it explained that the prism was stolen FROM the gith? That's why the gith are after it, it was stolen from Vlakith. And the reason Shadowheart is so anti-gith is that the rest of her people who also went to steal the prism for their own vague reasons were killed by gith on that mission. In which case they're attacking the city after they already successfully had the artefact.

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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
It also doesn't make sense why they'd have untadpoled prisoners on the ship either.

It grabbed them during the attack. You literally see it in the cinematic, the tentacles slap bunches of people and they get poofed into the pods.

Thus, it's highly likely that this is where the Origins/Tav get picked up. Them being random bystanders who simply happened to get grabbed during the attack (With of course Karlach/Wyll coming from the brief jaunt in Avernus)

As for why grabbing random people?

It could be a way to mask the real reason for the attack. If you make it seem like just a random abduction attack then you don't raise the suspicions of the Gith about the fact that you were directly targeting the Prism Heist (Which seemed to have worked because the Gith had no idea that the crashed Nautiloid contained the Prism and that survivors of the crash would carry it directly to them)

I was talking about Ixal's suggestion that the party was brought along onto the nautiloid before takeoff. I understand why there would be people there after the attack. Though since they didn't attack Baldur's Gate, that still makes Astarion's presence inexplicable.

And finally, the gith specifically do know that the nautiloid contains the prism. That's why we meet the gith patrol in act 1. They're specifically looking for it in that area because that's where the nautiloid went down.


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