Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Feels like we are aiming towards offtopic ...
So i say just this, and then leave it ... if i dont respond any futher, dont take it personaly.

I enjoyed our discussion, thank you! smile In conclusion, I will add one point:


Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by Marielle
free of emotions
Personaly i think this is missconception.

Illithids are not emotionless ... or at least i never find any note that they are ... like for example Lizardfolk, wich have that written in their most basic description.
Their mind works differently from ours, but that is all we know ... or at least all i know.

Personaly i would say its just that they have no way to express them ...
Their speech seem emotionless, bcs they are not talking ... they are projecting raw information right into your brain, that interprets it as inner voice ...
But that is the problem, that information is just not complete ... like when AI reads a text, it says all words corectly (sometimes xD), but it cannot provide any tone or emotion else since those data are simply not there.

I agree with you and before I somewhat misspoke:

Free from irrational display of emotions and making choices solely under the influence of emotions (which is often the case with humanoids) - I was thinking of this when I called it “ free of emotions”. Rationality in illithids definitely comes first. They can be unsatisfied, what is akin to anger, and their anger will have rational reasons, rationally afraid of something, rationally satisfied (which can resemble happiness, but not frenzied joy, but something like calm contentment). “I got wildly angry - I did a bunch of crap, threw my monitor out the window, broke my joystick, and now I'm sitting here, dealing with the consequences of my anger, counting how much it's all going to cost me now” - that's not going to happen with illithids. Their rationality will always take over, also because every meal brings a lot of experience - you live a life with every meal. Satisfaction/dissatisfaction, fear, anger - that spectrum should be there, in my opinion.

The Emperor had intonations in his mental stream, he was angry, he was favorable. He recalls Stelmane, with whom he had a special relationship. Satisfaction and anger are present, and they can display it intonationally. Any thinking sentient organism has emotions. Octopuses have emotions - fear, rage, satisfaction. If we consider an illithid as an organism similar to an octopus ( most similar when compared to existing biological organisms), they at least have this cascade that they express. ("Investigating sentience and ...phy D. Santos, and Tatiana Leite.")

Originally Posted by ldo58
Raphaël states in Act 3 that the elder brain does not have emotions like humanoid mortals, but that his current state is very much like "angry".
So I think that they do have this emotional factor complementing the pure logic.

Yes, I agree, “emotional factor complementing the pure logic” is probably the most accurate and closest to the truth.

One life, one love - until the world falls down.