Originally Posted by Taril
Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by Taril
Emperor still has his own mind intact
This statement is debatable ...

Not really.

When a Mind Flayer consumes a brain (Including the initial host) they acquire a shard of that person. A small echo of them, which intergrates into their Illithid self in the form of an incomplete memory, a personality trait, a fear etc.

They taste the full person as they consume the brain, but they only integrate a small portion of them into their being, which simply merges with the rest of their self (Quite unlike the Ship of Theseus, which is all about replacing parts) - Unless they notice it and purge that shard.

Yet the Emperor has complete recollection of his existence pre-Illithid. Not just "Oh, I vaguely recall being this person" but all the details of his life. This mind also takes full control completely once he goes into proximity to the artifact, completely suppressing the entire Illithid mind, indicating that it is completely separate to the Illithid mind and hence, not merged into it like a normal Illithid.

Sure, maybe we can attribute this to Magic Man Orpheus and his aura of BS. But at the very least it's indicating that these tadpoles are somehow (And for some reason) causing their original hosts minds to be kept intact and then suppressed by their Illithid selves. With this suppression being able to be itself supressed by Magic Man Orpheus (Though, somehow selectively... As other Mind Flayers besides the Emperor are unaffected. Not to mention you can waltz right into the middle of Moonrise and no other "True Souls" find themselves shielded by the artifact you're holding...)

About the artifact not being noticed in MR, my theory is that, because it is a pocket in the Astral plain, the physical location on the material plain does not matter. The emperor can shield anyone he considers useful at any place. At the start of the game, while on the ravaged beach, he can still shield Karlach near the Tollhouse. It's also clear when you save Minsc, that the shield does not extend automatically to anyone nearby. Only the emperor can grant it.
Which leaves one question : Why does he shield Minthara during the victory party if you go the evil route and sack the grove. Well, allying with Minthara was YOUR (Tav's ) choice, and the Emperor might approve of it and see a lot of potential in Minthara, if her devotion to Orin is broken, which will be your task.

This may also give support for the fact that the partymembers were once very mighty adventurers. They've proven their worth once already, and that is the reason why the emperor chose these and only these selected few to go against the absolute. Trusting that you would be capable to do it a second time.

Last edited by ldo58; 23/06/25 04:43 PM.