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streamlining, authorial preferences,

You think that characters have less content, less banter and less reactivity because it's the authorial intent and preference? Because of streamlining? You are free to delude yourself, not sure why youre trying to convince anyone of such ridiculous notion.

"streamlining" is also not some magic word. JUst like how they changed characters to be softer (like Shadowheart) is not for "streamlining" reasons but because they catered to people who gave feedback, that's why they changed, removed and implemented a lot of ideas, and not always for the better. Why cant you imagine that reasons for changing or not adding something could be a bad reason rather than part of some grand design? Its rhetorical question, youre just not taking critique of the game well.

The game suffered from lots of cuts and unfinished content and it was pushed out the door because of Starfield. If it was part of the grand design they wouldnt need to add substantial amount of content in Patches to finish some of it (epilogues etc) - the content which shouldve been in the game on launch. And if they cared about streamlining then Act 3 wouldnt be so bloated or overwhelming. Honestly arguing for streamlining would inevitably lead you to suggest cutting the thing you defended in the first place. It would be more streamlined without the playable origins, yes.

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Originally Posted by HFA
Some party members have more extensive conversation, I loved bringing Jaheira and Minsc there for example, but some of the others just express a bit of relief or being proud of you at most, so that can be rather underwhelming. Platonic Minthara even skips over your whole dying and coming back part to talk about how "we" defeated Orin. For the last step of a redeemed Durge I would have loved to have actual conversations with companions involving dialogue choices, as a way to more properly put into words how your Durge views closing the door on their Bhaal chapter for good.

I was wondering, since you bring up Durge a lot, do you usually have more in-depth conversations about what happens in your quest with your butler?

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I was wondering, since you bring up Durge a lot, do you usually have more in-depth conversations about what happens in your quest with your butler?

Yeah, I'm currently going through a playthrough with Durge for the first time and it's offering a lot of direct comparison to my last Tav playthrough.

For some odd reason, I've noticed that in comparison to other Durge playthroughs I've seen for a resisting Durge, I actually did not get certain scenes I have seen with others before. Must be some awkward Long Rest timing causing you to straight up skip certain camp events at times. When it comes to the butler specifically, I don't think I've had a single dialogue option with companions to talk about the fact that I have this weird butler popping up in camp sometimes. Normally after refusing to kill Isobel or your companion in act 2, your butler is supposed to throw a fit early on in act 3 at camp and dramatically leave your side as you've defied him and Bhaal too many times, but I didn't see him a single time before entering Bhaal's temple where he was very welcoming. I think I have at most had the opportunity to say some one-liners in conversations with NPCs, the rest of the time it's as if he never existed.

In total I've had... the butler encounter with the dead bard in act 1, then after meeting Isobel I had the butler telling me to kill her, then after saving Nightsong and not killing Isobel I had the butler telling me to kill my romantic partner, then after refusing that he showed up at the entrance to Bhaal's temple. Aside from choosing some Durge specific intimidates, I've resisted the urge every chance I was given. From what I understand, with some patches they've mostly added things to a Durge embracing the urge, but the resisting variant is rather underdeveloped in comparison in my experience.

The nicest parts are probably the Jaheira and Minsc specific things, like having some Durge nightmares early in act 3 and waking up to find them watching over you and reminiscing about their time with a previous Bhaalspawn that successfully overcame their urges.

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