Larian Studios Forums Divinity General Discussion Possible retcones or consolidation of lore?

I had been a fan of Larial divinity series since their first game title "Divinity : The Sword of Lies" and was excited to see that there will be continuation with this new game, but one thing from their EN_Divinity Announcement Press Release got me worried, to be specific from those pagaragraphs :


So, does it meant that all non D:OS(1|2) divinity games will have little to no impact to the plot of this new game and we will get massive retcons outside of their main plotpoints (like Lucian's accention) or they will be attentively integrated? For example, we still haven't heard anything since the first game about vampires, dragon riders, legendary dragon set armor or artifact of unimaginable power - "Eye of cyclops"; what was the deal with the most creepy and mysterious character of Beyond Divinity, possibly the whole series, the Oracle Tree or what the fate of raanaar?

Will this game unify all this stuff, does Highlander-2 with it or something in the middle?

To be honest, I'm a little worried about possible changes to the lore. On the one hand, I want the new game to be accessible to newcomers, but on the other hand, I don't want to lose the details and the world we knew from the previous instalments. It would be great if Larian could strike a balance: make the plot understandable for new players, but at the same time not ruin the story for those who have played all the previous games. I wonder if they are planning only light references to old events, or if there will be some serious retcons?

Its a bit different as it was not their own IP, but in BG3 they did not really care for established lore and invented and retconned as they pleased.

Honestly as long as the garbage main cast of DOS2 (I mean the 6 playable characters) are completely gone and never to be seen in any divinity game ever again along with any trace of them, I don't care if larian erases the lore of DOS2 or not, I'll just pretend it's not there. Now if I see the smallest smidgen of the bones of the guy who says "I am an eternal, you are not, my condolences." or the red skin of the guy who says "You may now refer to me as you would to a majesty." I am not going to like it.

I don't see why they would retcon anything in DOS2 since there are 0 plotholes assuming the purge source ending is cannon. And seeing as how an orc is present in the trailer, there's only a need to keep the damian lore in since the events of DKS are the catalyst for orcs uniting with other races, and this is actually how I called it would take place after DKS.

Fane is likely to show up again, given how he is literally one of the most important lore points for the entire Divinity series.

Though perhaps not in this game, but the next Original Sin title at the very least. Since he is the catalyst for the Original Sin. He's literally the one who discovered the Veil and the Source it contains, which lead to the uprising of the 7 gods using Source to get the power to banish the God King to the void and then also using the Source to create the mortal races in their image.

He is quite literally one of the most important characters to ever exist in the universe. Also, he's a fan favourite. You might not like his personality, but many others did, so it's likely he'll show up again at some point (Especially as he's literally immortal so will always be around even through any time skips that might occur between titles)

Okay let's put it simply:

He's the CAUSE of the important event, and no longer has relevance, and his story arc is played out.

Now when you put it differently, it seems to be that the way you put it isn't quite it.


Bandwagon fallacy if it's being used as an argument here. Like yeah, of course, the **literal entirety** of DOS2 and BG3 are considered to be higher quality than anything else larian has made combined, individually. I am just speaking my opinion, although it is better than the opinions of people who want the 6 characters of DOS2 to return and don't realize DOS2 was a low effort cash-grab capitalizing on the success of DOS1.


Okay, considering what you said you would think your conclusion would be "would play a massive story role," not "would show up again." But you didn't point out anything I wasn't aware of already, I'm not arguing this it's just my opinion.

He still has relevance. He's still a noteworthy character, he still has knowledge of the Veil and Source, he's still an Eternal one of the race that became "Gods" of the realm.


Only if you legitimately beleive that your OPINION is somehow material evidience to the fact that Fane is not a generally well liked and considered very well written character.

Which is countered by your very next sentence where you state:


Meaning you're outright stating that DOS2 (Including all of its characters) are some of Larian's highest quality work.


Talk about logical fallacies... Your opinion is no "Better" or "Worse" than anyone elses. Opinions being purely subjective does not carry any notion of quality.


Both would likely be the case. Especially with regards to their notion of making this new Divinity game more accessible to newer fans of the studio, those that may not have played the prior titles before BG3.

Meaning that he might simply appear just so he can recap the lore for newer players. Both his part in it and the general events of DOS1 and DOS2.

But besides that;

Fane is important as an Eternal - Especially in the stated setting for the game where "The gods are silent" post-DOS2's source purge.

He is also important as a connection to the Veil. He is uniquely capable of accessing it, even among Eternals he was the one who had the most knowledge of it.

If any game has any connection to the Veil, it's likely that Fane will be around to play a major part in the story.


And yet... Here you are... Arguing...

Including disparaging other people's opinions, claiming your opinion is somehow "Better" or more noteworthy than others and trying to claim that DOS2 both sucks and is also one of the best Larian titles to date...

Literally anybody with barely literate reading comprehension skills would realize what the difference between saying something is the popular opinion, and claiming it yourself, is. That's not you? I know you will come back pointlessly typing to sound smart but this is literally you, apparently.


Wow. Non-sequitur much?

I can just guess you're not going to address me pointing out the difference between "will appear" and "will have a major story role."



Nope, there is literally no evidence, that in a FUTURE game, that a character will "have relevance" when LITERALLY in the one game, THE ONE F***ING game that comes after DOS2 chronologically, he is literally a non-existent character and the game's events may as well be explained by pre-existing lore. Take a moment to take this in, I think someone like you needs it.


How is this an argument for why he will return? You're just talking at this point if I'm being 100%. You're just talking... but it doesn't make coherent sense or display you are capable of following a conversation, so why? The story explicitly states other characters have this knowledge too. In fact you literally have said yourself:


So? How is this an argument when it doesn't necessarily follow at all? It barely vaguely follows. (The conclusion following the premise, ofc).



I could not even imagine, the level of led paint poisoning that could lead to this...

There is no fact stating one opinion is better... but yes you can have an opinion than one opinion is better than another...? Kind of obvious.

Secondly, why should I not simply state my opinion on a forum? I have never at any point used this as a logical support for anything, but you wrote the most deranged, insane, lunatic level response to me calmly telling you that this is just my personal preference. I don't think any third party could even learn anything at all by observing this substance-less conversation.

State your disagreement with me saying "Fane is an obnoxious character." plainly and clearly. That's all this is really about.

Don't try to make it about the context I am using it in as an excuse for sophistry and your ego being hurt.

And yes I will reply to the end of time because you sound like you need immediate psychiatric intervention.


That's a goal-post fallacy.

You just admitted I win that part since you didn't actually state "would play a massive story role."

Why would putting old characters in the game make it more "accessible"? Are you confused what "accessible" means? Asking in earnest.

A character recapping the lore for newbies isn't something that has basically ever happened before in a Larian game. Why even re-cap it and why have fane near the start of the game to literally do nothing but make it less original and appeal to people with you-know-what tier taste?

This doesn't sound realistic.

Zero citation for why he is uniquely capable of accessing it...

And if you remember, the end of the game features lucian and dallis actually telling fane (assuming he's in your group) knowledge of the veil. It's not the other way around and it's for a reason.

And yeah I guess it's possible that if the game has a lot to do with the veil, which would be garabge story-telling (OOPS, OPINIONS ARE IN VALID AND THE PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH THIS DON'T HAVE A WORSE OPINION BOOOO HOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO) then fane would return but this isn't even realistic or likely. Even if it was, what does this have to do with the original statement I made? Anyone can just talk about a red herring and pretend they've debunked your argument when in reality they just rambled.

Follow the conversation. Instead of "but what if the THIRD GAME OR THIS GAME ALSO HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE VEIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLL."


I literally just thought to clarify something for someone who came off as arguing themselves. But you typed a deranged response. Honest question, is this how high school dropouts cope? I have a computer science degree and score 128 even on the least accurate measurement of intelligence AKA IQ. You aren't putting anyone down and looking smart, you're just acting bizarre and showing you apparently can't follow a conversation... lol...

"boooo hoooo hoooo you don't think highly of other people's opinions booo hooo hoo"

I don't care.

You're not smart for adding a "somehow" to my opinion being better. Anyone can see how. Yes my opinion is still better. DOS2 is just a short low effort cashgrab capitalizing on DOS1.

There really seems to be nothing to debate on.

Those are just statements btw. they don't constitute a debate.