thk you , i tired already exiting from different approach and at different rythm with different party composition including the one you describe ... sadly didn't work for me

as for the kidnap i tough of that but i don't have anyone strong enough yet ... your saying that hill giant make y ou strong enough ? i can always try respec karlach if just the class is enough and i can reach up to 18 strgh with her ( i am level 4 so i can choose one feat) but i am affraid that taking her out wouldn't work seing as exiting from the side building clearly put her out no restrained by her guard but don't start the cutscene