Originally Posted by Chadston
I disagree. I think it became very clear that certain demographics sought to throw gay men under the bus at the first opportunity so that they can focus on pushing their niche fetishes into the mainstream, particularly those that are subversive.

And yet, masculine men that this subsection of gay men are attracted to are continually the main characters in almost every video game ever made.

Ignoring the fact that gay men aren't of one unified taste. Where some do prefer the more effeminate types of men. Or even the types that like the "Ugly" men.

Gay men, like literally anyone else, is not a single category. Even within the group of "Gay men" there would be a desire for diversity. Not just musclebound hunks.

Further to that, there are many other groups of people. Each with their own diversity of tastes.

That these diverse tastes are now being explored, isn't a slight at gay men. It's the opposite, it's trying to be inclusive to all those other groups, including those aforementioned other gay men who like different types of men.

Originally Posted by Chadston
My use of 'legitimate gay men' is to describe those who are not actually male or gay yet insist on speaking on our behalf.

So your argument is that people who aren't gay men are tired of seeing this specific gay preference replaced by other depicitons?

So... Why do we care? If they're not the target audience (As they are not male or gay) then why would anyone care if they get upset that this is happening?

Originally Posted by Chadston
I think it's strange that you're implying that many RPG's are 'catering to our tastes' when so few RPG's have ever made the conventionally attractive handsome men into romance options in the first place.

So few RPG's even have romance options in the first place.

Given that such things are very much not a priority for developers. It was only relatively recently with Bioware that it actually became a thing (But it's still very much shallow and underdeveloped)

Meanwhile, most games - of every single genre - will be predominantly filled with conventionally attractive handsome men.

Most protagonists, are conventionally attractive handsome men.

All the while, there have been continual attacks against developers for actually including conventionally attractive beautiful women. Like, literally many studios have been affected by "Feminists" raging about the constant portrayal of conventinallly attractive beautiful women in video games, to the point where development has been affected (For example, the upcoming Fable reboot intentionally sabotaged the appearance of its female characters because of this. While woke developers produce garbage like Concord with its ugly female characters)

With conventionally attractive handsome men not being affected in the same way at all. No-one has been raging about their inclusion. No-one cares if they are "Objectified" like characters such as Kratos who go around half naked while having "Unreasonable standards for beauty" like what female characters get attacked for. Even though these are by far the most popular characters across video games.

Originally Posted by Chadston
As an example, for as much as the Dragon Age games sought to be 'progressive', Alistair, Cullen and Sebastian were not romance options for male player characters.

And yet, the characters themselves are designed in a way that appeals to this particular crowd of gay men.

In terms of design, they are still catering to this desire for the strong male type you desire. Even if their characters aren't designed to be gay (Though Dragon Age: Origins did have Zevran who was exclusively gay).

Romances in more recent times have been more progressive (Or rather, even more shallow) allowing more characters to be playersexual (At the cost of individuality)

Originally Posted by Chadston
Femboys are also very niche and bereft of masculinity. They tend to be what women obsessed with gay men tend to project onto hoping to engage in some twisted form of conversion therapy, whereas some gay men in denial like to convince themselves that if a guy is feminine or androgynous enough then it does not count as 'gay' which is in itself another form of erasure.

Projecting much?

Nah, femboys are popular. Many gay men like them.

Yes, they are bereft of masculinity... That's the point. If they weren't they wouldn't be "Femboys" they'd just be "Boys".

As I've mentioned, many gay men like this type of man. Just like many lesbians like the "Butch" and "Manly" type of woman.

People are diverse and have diverse interests. Not everyone of the same grouping likes the same thing.