thx Kyra--- read all the sites u said, and copied so i can study at my leisure.I am alternating my gaming time between dd and d2, so i have a variety of chars to play. Have been a d2 player for over 2 years or if u will, before expansion. i needed something else to play, because d2 can get quite laggy. my problem with dd is frequent lockups, and having to do reloads,and yes, without Lynne, this dd would be permanently on the shelf. I get quite long-winded , as u can tell. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />