Larian Studios Forums Divine Divinity (English) General Next patch??

you are very correct Kiya, agreed. more formaly

I apolagise for saying those things and for misunderstanidng.



informal: I'm sorry for saying that, but, uh, 'sorry for not understanding', we would have gotten it alot better if you had just said it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Det är lungt <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Now back to english.
If you read my first post i asked polite if/when the next patch will come. I even whent down on my knees and beged for a new patch. It was when pepole start jumping om me things started to get out of control. If i had spoken about laws in the first place i think pepole would be even more upset, what rights do i have to say/demand things like that. A statement like can also easly be interpred as a threat and i dont want to go there.

Norway are not far behind Sweden when is comes to customers rights (Swden have the toughest customer rlight laws in the world) so are there no risk of this in norway?

/Mordan

Any response from the Larians to Mordan's concerns? Will they be able to avoid problems with the consumer laws in Norway and Sweden?

(p.s. thanks for clarifying the situation, Kiya.)

And thanks, Mordan, for caring about <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> enough to keep trying in spite of the misunderstandings. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Good you clarified it, kiya.

Well, if you are going to restrict yourself to useful skills, you can probably drop that to about 80. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />


Part of the problem with the patch is that CDV is responsible for the release schedule. CDV required Larian to release the game sooner that they would have liked, so some quests were taken out of the game, the wastelands ended up as a straight hack-and-slash, and it was not tested as thoroughly as it could have been. A month or two before Larian released the patch, CDV had it for testing and one comment said it would take them a few weeks to test it. They have still not officially released the patch, and there is neither the hotfix or patch on CDV's Divinity site. This doesn't absolve Larian from any responsibility to fix the bugs still left in the game, but they did fix most of them.
I hope the work on Riftrunner goes smoother than expected, and they can release it before the Christmas buying season and still have time to work on another patch for Divinity. BTW, Blizzard still has someone working on another patch for D2, though it is more for features and balancing than serious bug fixes.

Perhaps mentioning consumer rights laws upfront could have been interpreted as being hostile, but without that information it appeared that you were overreacting to the remaining bugs. In any case, your point is now clear, with only few ruffled feathers in the process. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Hopefully Lynn (or someone) can make an official comment (or even a best guess) on the possibility of a future patch.

Hi,

Your griefs are justified - it's true that we can never fix all bugs, that's a sad truth about software development, but we can however take care of the broken skills.

The problem is that as you have noticed, CDV hasn't officially approved patch V1.34 yet. Because of it not being officialy approved, CDV doesn't give customer support to people who have installed the patch. There's a certain logic to that but it doesn't help the people who really need patch V1.34 of course, especially since it's been quite some time since we released the patch and it's proven to do a lot of good.

Being a small developer, we don't have sufficient QA resources to do the release of a patch v1.35 on our own - the release of V1.34 without CDV's support was already hard enough as is. However, what we can do is release a beta of V1.35. That one should normally take care of the remaining griefs but it will have to come without assurances for some time until we are sure there's no hidden bug in it (which is always the problem with patches for a game as big as <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />)

I will look what we can do and get back to you all on this.

Lar

With CDV being not healthy nowadays , I fear that CDV won't officially approve the Patch in the next future.

For those who are able to read german, they can finde more about that there : http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-31.07.03-004/

And our german discussion about the abovwe mentioned article is to be found there : http://lariancom.siteprotect.net/ub...mp;amp;sb=5&o=14&fpart=1

But we will...
Like Lar wrote, some gamers still need help and we will create another patch to solve their problems.

And... please, be nice to eachother <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

To clear things up a bit i read the consumers law some (*yack* not fun). And its actually the publisher/distributor that have the responsibility to make sure the product meet the announced ability (In this case what the box says). Sence the publisher in this case is CDV and in the Diablo case it was Blizzard sence Blizzard publish their own games. So if some files charges and win all CDV tittles will be removed from the swedish market untill they fix the problem. Sence CDV have several lerge tittles they might want to approve another Divinity patch if they get all the products baned. So Larian might actually gain from a law sue in Sweden.

/Mordan

Hi Mordan,

I read this thread entirely to come to a simple conclusion:-

You are a rightful owner of an authentic copy of Divine Divinity game.
The game offers you the option to play as a ranger.
You demand to be able to choose to play as a ranger not with a short or a long bow but with a crossbow.
You discovered that the skill-system of crossbows is not working properly.
The Larian Studios are under the obligation to fix it and they are looking into it right now.

Larian Studios have proven several times to be friendly and they DO listen to their fans.
We trust them that they are doing their best.

All other talk is cheep, and threats or insults are completely out of place.
People like Raze, Kiya, Barnabus and others are volunteering fans, who volunteered to help Newbies.
They are trying to filter tactical problems, which they have experience to solve for you from the software bugs that we all know that they exist to make your life easier.
I finished the game for the 38th time now, and some of them were before any patches were released because I have the game since it was on the market (October 2002) to be precise. On the first days, I had to play the game depending on saves because the game just hung up when memory was full due to memory misuse.
I am telling you that I finished the game when it was FULL of BUGS.
Now we do not have only one-primitive patch but a 1.34, which I consider as paradise compared to the situation I lived at the end of 2002.
I am not saying that Larian Studios should not look into the bugs but that you may live with them until they are ready with the next patch.

My best regards.

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Bugs are fun. You will never know when they will happen and it keeps you on your toes. Theire is nothing funnier when a stackcounter goes to high. Also I must say that the boys at larian did a great job with OO programing (it's hard studing for 2 years ICT and still got problems).

@larian: are all the enemies inhereted from an abstract class or an interface to create new classes of enemies with the help of polymorfism or am I way off <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />.

I'm sure it's fun to berate this fellow, and I must admit he isn't doing the best job of presenting his point, but bugs are bugs and they should ALL be fixed. Just because *you* rarely get a bug free game doesn't mean that we should all lower our standards. I've certainly played lots of games that were virtually bug free, despite literally months of play. In the case of Divine divinity, I've encountered pretty much eveything mentioned in this thread after only a few hours of play, and though not game breaking as he describes them, broken skills are definetely not acceptable imo. Little clipping glitches/weight glitches/whatever don't matter much to me, (I don't mind having to unload my inventory a bit then pick the stuff back up to prove to the game that I'm not encumbered), but the skills are a large part of what makes an rpg. In action rpgs with little character development all you have is skill development... so I'm pretty bummed as my honest to goodness interest was in being a knight w/x-bow, or a ranger. That isn't totally impossible currently, but it's still a pain to see my desired path buggered.

As for reputation, of course it hurts their reputation. For riftrunner or DD2 I'm gonna come to these forums to check for broken skills and bugs well BEFORE purchasing their products, if I purchase them at all.

I'm not totally dissatisfied, far from it, but broken is broken and no one can expect me to be happy about it.

What we can see when Bugs occur can be currently seen in a discussion about Age of Wonders : Shadow Magic : DLL Problems.

Consequently, you should do that with ANY game.