well, here it is, WoW just sold 250,000 copies...on the first day of release. that is simply amazing. if the news at www.worldofwarcraft.com is to be believed, that is a record 1-day sale for an mmorpg.

hats off to blizz, though i don't think i'll play WoW. still, i hope game developers can consistently come up with high-quality games, especially rpg's. ultimately, it's the gamers like us who will benefit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

In America, yes. Blizzard explicitely shut the doors for European Beta-Testers. The game is said to arrivein Europe in the first months of 2005.

If I am not mistaken, you can start playing it now regardless of your location.
Just preorder and get into closed beta till the game is released.

Damn the game looks promising.

i haven't played it yet, but judging from the reviews the game is garnering from various gaming sites, it sure looks like blizzard has got itself another fantastic game. and a goldmine at that.

reviewers are all positive about the game, with some calling it the best mmorpg they've played so far. notwithstanding server stability issues (heck, what mmorpg hasn't experienced that anyway? and it's blizz's first mmorpg.), the game world is said to be simply breathtaking. and blizz has committed itself to constantly evolve the game world.

i've read from several forums that many gamers are abandoning final fantasy xi, everquest, and other mmorpg's, and migrating to WoW.

this might be the game that will make me shed off my mmorpg aversion. now as for that monthly fee...hmmm. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

Been playing it and it really is fantastically done, it doesnt foster the guild/clan atmosphere that games like EQ and shadowbane can since there you can build towns and whatnot, whereas in WoW you are arbitrarily on a team based on which side you take.

Overall very very well made

Damn, but still, that, monthly fee, ohh no. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />
I will have to travel across the sea to neighbouring country to get the game.
This is ok, but the fee <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

I've gone and done it--bought it today.

I am not envy, I am not envy I .. am .. not ... envy.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />


But I am ...


You are one luckybone Cleglaw, congrats with the game.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasJump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasJump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasJump.gif" alt="" />

Don't forget to write long post about your fresh impressions <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

damn you! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

do keep us posted of your progress in the game, cleg. might make me buy WoW and work overtime to cover that monthly fee. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />what side are you going to play, horde or alliance?

i've never been a fan of mmorpg's. participated in a lot of beta mmorpg's here in asia, e.g, ragnarok, mu online, pristontale, skyblade, khanonline, among others. never lasted more than one week in them.

but WoW...i'm salivating. plus, i've heard that pallies (i like that class) are overpowered in WoW. makes me want to play it all the more. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

So far, so good. I played for a couple of hours to get the feel of it. No lag. Smooth motion. (My system specs:1.8 GHZ ATI 9000 mobile graphics card--old drivers, 512 MB RAM)

Fun so far.

Once I feel comfortable with the game, I will party with The Amazon Basin, their standards for cooperative gameplay are top notch.

After I've played more I'll write more.

Just another MMO. Sometimes I have the feeling that in the near future, there won't be any non-MMO games at all!
Blizzard or not, MMO are usually ruined by annoying players.

Try Anarchy Online. It's free until 2006 if you register in the next several weeks and you'll see how maddening the community can be.

With all above said, I have to admit that the introduction cinematic for World of Warcraft is beautifully rendered.

hey deathatthedoor, welcome back! how are u & where u been? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/xmassmiley.gif" alt="" /> merry christmas to u too.

Hey jaggut!
Nice seeing you again. I am fine, merry christmas to you too!

almost all, if not all, of the cinematics in blizzard games are wonderfully done and deserving of being called a cinematic.

iirc, the warcraft iii:roc cinematics won several awards when it was released.

Hey crusader! Nice to see you're still arround.

Yes, I remember Warcraft III winning the award on 3dawards.org. The scene when the corrupted Prince Arthas returns to his father (first cinematic in Undead campaign) is memorable with the rose petals shower. I have much respect for Blizzard, don't get me wrong, but I have zero for MMO games.

Yes, some of the films/movies/cutscenes (what to call them???) looks REALLY great in WC3 (eg final movie of the orc champaign).

So Cleg has bought it? I winder if it was the full game since the beta hasn't even been released here (apart from the buyable one, which I'm NOT going to get). I was planning (or a friend of mine) on playing the beta when it's been released for free (on my new computer <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />). My friend was planning to move in with me...

Übereil

full game. You need a hispeed connection--40MB patch yesterday.

don't suppose they might release a "FREE 15 trial Disc or download" in the near future <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

that would be nice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasJump.gif" alt="" />

FULL GAME ??? HOLY ****!!! As said, the beta hasn't even been released here...

Übereil

If you look at this this way....
Blizzard did some extensive beta-testing in the USA. Because of that, WoW was already advertized and people played it way before the official release. Sony saw it and made a week free in EQII. Funcom saw Blizzard and Sony giving free trial periods and made Anarchy Online free for one year.

Who says competition is bad? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

The companies in question?

Übereil

The companies in question earn a good reputation.

But if they had a monopoly they would earn money like he... a lot of money!

Übereil

'elo buddy. yep i'm still here, still lurking around. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

i have no love for mmo's either, but WoW has really got me drooling. i've viewed some trailers of it and the scenes were breathtaking. i hate the monthly fee, though. still, i understand that's how companies earn their keep for the maintenance of the servers and development of additional content. so i'll leave it at that. it's not really a question of why these companies charge but more of can gamers afford it. and judging from the activity of that game, it seems that WoW has already attracted a large following in so short a time.

i might try guild wars once it's final. i've heard it doesn't have a monthly fee; instead you have to pay for additional content. i think it's a good alternative. i hope they be successful on it.

So far I have tried various races and character types thru lvl 6 or so. All the early quests are the same type for all (kill 6 monsters and bring me their pelts, etc.) and it gets boring; so no more of that. The melee ones are a drag. The melee combat has the look and feel of turn based combat; the paladin, warrior and hunter are all the same. And the warlock had to melee becuse he couldn't kill anything before it got to him. The hunter has ranged attacks, but has to finish them off with a dagger.

I was about ready to give the game up, but then I started playing an undead mage and she rocks. Kills fast, levels fast and no turn based combat appearances for her. I would have been playing right now, but they shut down the servers--gave us 12 minutes notice though which was good. I have played solo so far. I don't like to party up until I know what I am doing. Also the early levels lend themselves to solo play.

You have to watch your back. Stuff comes up behind you and attacks.

Later.

I play-tested GuildWars. It's a rather interesting game, nice concept. It's not really an MMO as the only parts on the server are the towns: when you enter a quest, the player with the best connection of your party "hosts" the game. It works better than it sounds: I played with 8 other people battling armies and had no connection problems. The graphics are excellent, the combat is addictive and strategic, the game DOES have a compelling storyline, it seems balanced and it features in-game cinematics staring your characters. Also, if you can't wait to get in the action, you can simply take AI team-mates and head straight in the action. However it's not really an MMO. I like the gameplay though: it looks like a mix of Magic: The Gathering as far as spells go: you can have as much spells as you want but you can only have 8 ready. It means that before you head on a mission, you should sit down and seriously think what do you need and what combinations are the best with your pool. I played a Necromancer and it was fun (except when I was foolish enough to play in an all-Necromancer party). You can spawn allies from corpses, drain corpses to restore health... If there will be a demo, I'd reccomend everyone to try it.

My only gripe is that you cannot really buy items; only components that you have to bring to a crafter. It means that you have to literaly trade your body organs for that extra shell or hide in order to obtain those Bone Boots of The Walking Dead.

WoW is better than the usual MMO, but it's still an MMO. Which means, lots of fetch quests and repetitive combat. If you are willing to pay for a game like this, WoW is definately the best choice.

As for Guild Wars, I played it a few times and it's great. Most everything that DATD said was true, except that the "crafting" isnt such a bad thing once you figure out how it works. I'll explain in details how it works. First you buy salvage kits, which are quite cheap, and you go out in missions and pick up loot from monsters like their armor or skin. Then you use the salvage kits to get crafting materials out of the loot (if you get expert salvage kits you can get more stuff and some magical runes from rare loot). You can use the materials to get a crafter NPC make some armor for you, or if you don't need it you can sell all the materials to players or a material trader NPC, the latter will give you more money if the players demand it a lot and he doesnt have much to offer them. Armor cannot be traded as it is crafted to fit your characters size (customized for him) and you usually need two types of materials and cash to get it made. For example, to make platemail you'd need iron and steel (number depends on the piece you want) and 20 or so gold. Also, you can use runes to add some magical effects to your armor.

Weapons are gotten only by looting monsters and chests during missions, they can then be customized by a crafter to make it stronger for you, but you're the only one who can use it. You can modify the weapons properties by having a crafter upgrade it for you using weapon parts (like a hilt, for a sword) which you can salvage from other magical weapons. So if you have a weapon that does low damage but has the effect of making your bleeding skills last longer, you can salvage the hilt from the sword and place it on a better one.

That basically sums it up hehe, sure it's a little more complexe than your usual RPG, but is that a bad thing? This game is full nice little details, like if you use a sword that does lightning damage it'll work a lot better on other warriors in platemail.

And in my opinion what makes the pvp so fun in this game is the lack of CC (Crowd control) spells, all you have a abilities that will slow down or knockdown someone, but you get back up on your feet pretty fast, and the slow spells arent so bad if you got a bow or some spells. So you never find yourself put to sleep and ignored during a battle.

There's so much I could say about this great game, but I'll stop now since this isnt a Guild Wars thread <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> If there's one of you who'd like to try it out the second weekend of january, I can give you a code to let you play in that beta weekend event.

Everything Frank said is true, however I must add that at first it takes AGES to get enough material to make anything at all.
The weapon customization is great but sadly you cannot sell your customized weapon when you find a new one. This is realistic but gold is very hard to get on low levels.
Of course, as the game name suggests, to fully experience it you have to have a guild. Which is cool is that guild members wear their own custom flag, so you can easily see who's in what guild.

Now I think of it, I really enjoyed GR.

Now... let's start a GR thread!

I started one some time ago, I'll go fetch it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Uff, I didn't know how to craft, so I sold all salvage items, later realised that I missed a set of armor for my monk. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasEek.gif" alt="" />
And ineteresting aspect that prices changed every day (they went higher all the time) so economy is probably another thing to keep player interested.

I enjoyed the game and being old MMORPG fan from Dark Age of Camelot I would say Guild Wars is the only MMO I am ready to spend my money on at the moment.

Except, mmm, Death you say Anarchy Online is free for a year and EQ2 for a week ? (Egin becomes very curious and excited) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" />

Back to WoW
Had a great time with solo play last night--stategy tactics and stealth were definitely necessary for 1 particular mission. And on one occasion when I slipped up and had to face 2 opponents at close range (very bad for early mage)another player appeared and took one off my back. Even though we weren'tpartied we then took advantage of each other's presence to accomplish our objectives. Lots of fun. Kept me up later than was good for me.

Sounds fun Cleglaw! WoW surely is the best MMO out there.

Egin, you can download the Anarchy online client on their website, and create an account without giving any credit card info. It's free until you decide to get an expansion pack, so you only get the basic stuff. To play EQ2's free week you need to buy the game, while you can just get the basic client for free on AO's website.

They have their tricks. Anarchy online is the game made in 2001. I would say old crap. The trick is to lure you into AO's community, then you will go after better quality and eventually start spending bucks.

EQ is more simple, I had experienced Mythic's campaign on me lately with free weeks of gameplay (Mythic ent. developer of DAOC). Come, register, then it will be harder to drop than to stay.

WoW is an extremely good game.
Keep in mind that I have never played any other MMORPG except that special event of Guild Wars which I didn't like. Also the only other MP game I ever played was Sacred.

You know to me, WoW looks really good. I may get it, instead of eq 2, since PC Gamer said it was a better game. Looks great, maybe once I get new computer in summer I can try running it through my firewall.

Anybody playing now besides me?
If you start, talk to me (before you start your character as there are so many different servers) and we can play together.

WoW and Guild Wars both are looking very good, but I have only played GW so far.

what are the actual costs a month?

For WoW? Isn't it 20 or so? US.

15 a month, 80 for 6 months.

From worldofwarcraft.com:

It is worth it if you spend a lot of time withe the game which is excellent. And--I was going to build a new computer this year, but now I won't need to because WoW runs just fine on my 2 year old laptop. Even if I have a couple of other apps running it does fine.

I mean for instance--every time I go to a movie that is $15.00 FOR 2 tickets. And what does Netflix cost--abiut the same as WoW per month.

Pay all this money just to play online? No way, i don't think so. Better to play tcp/ip game. Except for the requirements for the server i believe what must be very high for more than 3 or 4 persons.

I agree with Shyon.
The only MMO I am willing to play is Guild Wars. It has free online play and several unique functions which is why I preordered it.

Right.
DATD are there any rumors on when GW it planned for release?

What I don’t understand is, how is it that so many people out there are born with a silver spoon in their mouth that can afford something like this? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I’d have to work an extra job to afford something like this. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

Tsel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />

Late February or early Mars.

I think the fact whether you can afford it or not depends on your way of life: I mean if you go to the movies two times per month you can buy WoW instead.
Me, for example, I find going to the movies to be a waste of time and money even if it's only 7$.

I guess that makes sense.
I only go to the theatre maybe once every 3 to 4 months, but your point is solid.

Good eye and good call. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

Tsel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

I love going to the theatre! Oh, you said movies..... ehhhhh, if someone else's payin'.

If i'm not wrong is almost a new game per month. How much is a new game: $20? Or in 2 months you can have a new game.

Games usually 40 or 50 new.

new titles, and about the mid way or old titles what you dont have but would like to have?

those are 20-40.

Paying $14.99 per month - 2 months = $30 - new game to your collection.

I am curious about this game, and thinking of buying it, but I want to know a few more things.
Like: how does the skill system work?
What about the jobs?/professions?
Are you able to team up, like in diablo 2? and do quests together?
Is there something like a friends list? so you can easily check if your friends are online?

I hope someone can help me with this, and give me some more intel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I think it looks cool too, but a problem. Right now you can't even buy it in the states--> they sold too many copies. You also have about a 30 minute wait before you can log on because of a 500 person que to get in it. Doesn't sound too good.

"I am curious about this game, and thinking of buying it, but I want to know a few more things.
Like: how does the skill system work?"
You buy skills from a trainer every 2 levels. Theere are also skills you get on quests. Every level after lvl 10 you get one talent point--similar to skills, sort of.

"What about the jobs?/professions?"
Various--broadly divided into either gathering or production. Some simple--like herbalism, some really involved like smithing. Used to get goods your toon needs or to make money.

"Are you able to team up, like in diablo 2? and do quests together?"
Yes

"Is there something like a friends list? so you can easily check if your friends are online?"
Yes. Also guilds.

I like it. I spend many hours playing. Let me know if you buy it and I will quest with you.



"You also have about a 30 minute wait before you can log on because of a 500 person que to get in it. Doesn't sound too good."
Only on certain servers. Solution--keep toons on more than 1 server, or pick a low population server. There are many.

I'm going to read pc gamer's review next month or whenever and compare it to wow's review, and look at them. I just worry about the cost per month, I like the idea of a one time pay thing. It will probably go down to how many people I know playing each.

thanks cleglaw, for the answers.
I will have to wait untill 11 feb, before I can buy it, because it hasn't been released here yet.

Ok, some more questions about the skills if you don't mind; Like, what kind of skills can I expect? skills like in diablo, like multiple show (to name something)?
Or really just mining skills for instance?
And do you earn something like skillpoints/statpoints while you level up?

Stat points such as strength and agility are assigned automatically when you level up. Skills are purchased every two levels from a class trainer, such as a priest trainer, warrior trainer, etc. The skills represent new abilities or improvement of old abilities consistent with the nature of your character. For instance, a priest can purchase healing skills and/or shadow damage skills.

After level 10 you receive one talent point each time you level up. These talent points can be selected from one of three different trees which each class has. For example, the priest has a discipline tree, a holy tree, and shadow tree. Careful selection of talents makes for customization of a character.

Professions skills such as mining or smithing are purchased from a profession trainer. The skills are leveled up by using them. The more ore that you mine, for example, the higher your skill level in mining.

I might add that there is also an auction house, and I know of a few players who have characters whose sole purpose is to buy and sell in auctions in order to make money.

There is a nice mail system. One character can send messages or items by mail to another. This provides an easy way of muling, bartering, and also allowing communication with friends who may not necessarily be online at the same time as you.

sounds great!
Are there many of these trainers, and are they hard to find?
Can every trainer just learn you one or 2 skills, or does he have new ones each time you level up?

Class trainers--priest, warrior, druid, etc. are found in major cities and towns. All of them can train you as high as you need. You can view all skills and at what level you get them when you visit the class trainer.

Profession trainers, on the other hand, can only train you up to a certain level, and for higher level training you must find a higher level trainer. Some may be hard to find. (unless you read about them on the web)

I'm no cheater, so I guess I have to find them myself.
But how would I be able to play with someone like you for instance?
afaik, there are so many servers, how could I ever join the right one, and then find you?

Easy.
You ask.
I have characters in Stormrage, Tichondrius and Terenas. Currently playing on Terenas PvE --Wartar and Priund are my char names--they are of the horde.

what characters are it? undead, orcs, trolls?
and what class?
And do you like them?

8 races:

Alliance
Human
Night Elf--big ears
Dwarf
Gnome--too damn cute

The Horde
Undead--the women have an attitude--very funny
Troll--Ugly
Tauren--Bulls on 2 legs
Orc

9 classes:
Druid | Hunter | Mage | Paladin | Priest | Rogue | Shaman | Warlock | Warrior

Playing 2 chars at present--
a warrior--not just a grunt
priest--interesting and complex

Here they are.

Awesome graphics.

Look too computermade for my liking...

Übereil

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />

Hey Übereil,

I do understand where you are coming from, but 3D computer animation and graphics have come a long way and are a lot better today than say they were in the 1980's.
Just compare the Landscape of Space Invaders compared to this Landscape.
Landscape Created via World Builder

I realize you were talking about the character in your post, but they are improving too.
So the World of Warcraft is coming along quite nicely wouldn't you say.

Tsel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

1. Plays fine on a 2 year old computer.
2. They can whip any high definition lifelike character you got.

Compare with KotOR (from 2003) who looks a lot more (what's the word, what's the word) realistic, the humans in KotOR looks like humans (with propotions and all). Those pictures don't really manage to do that.

Never been a fan of the WC3 graphs. But I liked the game in general.

Übereil

I agree with Ube, too cartoon-ish.

Also that chick shouldn't have yellow eyes, looks very strange.

I too am a fan of WC3 though...

When she gazes longingly at you with her yellow eyes you won't know whether to run or weep.

... or laugh <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />.

Übereil

yeah, thats another question I have: will it run on my computer?
Pentium 4
1,8 gigahertz
256 mb ram
geforce 3 3d card

Btw, I like the way your characters look.
Will they change appearance as you, for instance level up, or wear armour and the like?

From the Gamespot website:
* DirectX Version: v9.0
* Operating System: Windows 98/2000/ME/XP

Minimum System Requirements
* System: Intel Pentium3 800 MHz or AMD Duron 800 MHz processor or equivalent
* RAM:256 MB RAM
* Video Memory: 32 MB VRAM
* Hard Drive Space: 4000 MB
* Other: Internet connection and monthly fee required; PC/Mac Hybrid

Recommended System Requirements
* Video Memory: 64 MB VRAM

My notebook:
Windows XP Home Edition
Intel ~1994 Mhz
RAM 512.00 MB
Mobility Radeon 9000 (with ancient drivers--Dell has not updated the driver in 2 years)
cable modem connection

I do not know how it will run on yours. It runs fine on my machine even with multiple apps open. If I have any lag it is only when everybody else also has lag.

Yes the characters change appearance as you change or remove their clothes/armor. And there are enchantments players can make (if they are sufficiently skilled in the enchanting profession) which add different color glows.

You also get to customize the appearance of the character--skin color, etc.

We will see how much Ube laughs when he gazes into the eyes of Priund as she casts her spell upon him. But who knows? Perhaps Norsemen are immune to the magic of an undead priestess.

I had read the system recs to, but mostly developers take the minimun requirements a bit TO minimum if you know what I mean.
But I guess it will work nicely <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Do you have lag often?
Or realm down?

Realms are down for maintenance weekly--usually for a few hourson Tuesday AM.There are a handful of realms that have had problems and been down more often.

Lag has only really been a problem under 2 circumstances:
1. On a high population server in the big cities--notably Ironforge AKA Ironlag.
2. When an opposing faction of players organize a raid into enemy territory, anybody in the vicinity will get lag. This needs to be fixed, and since Blizzard is hyping the upcoming Battleground (massive PVP battles) hopefully it will be.

Thanks, I hope you don't grow tired of all my questions <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
In what country do you live? Because if you live too far away, it would be impossible for me to play with you, because of time difference.
And isn't it a problem if someone from say america would play in the same "game" as someone from europe?

Like in diablo you had the us east, us west realms etc..

USA
Ask as many as you want.
I play with one guy who told me he was Vietnamese. Then I found out that he lives in Texas like me.

ok, one other important question, the paying a month; do you think it's worth it? the game is good and addicting enough?

Yes






Of course that is a personal decision. I play a lot and it is worth it to me.

if I decide to buy the game, are you willing to try to create a (small) guild with me? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Or are you allready in one? or do you hate them?

And are there many, let's say, irritating people online, who type in an almost impossible to understand language?

Currently I just play on Terenas and I am in a small guild composed of folks who are members of forum that dates back to D1. I am a new member though I have lurked there on and off for years. When nobody in the guild around my level is online then I solo and do pickup groups as it suits me--there are some quests that are hard/impossible to solo. When u start I'll be happy to start a new toon and quest with you whether you are in the guild or not. I will also help twink your toon if you so desire. Or you might like to just solo for awhile to get the feel of it--whatever suits you.

Most of the people I have encountered have been nice. In the general chat there are some people who are easy to ignore. The general chat is in a pale pink font, and guild or party chat are in distinctly different color fonts so it is easy to selectively attend to chat. I have only partied with one person I won't party with again and he didn't type in an almost impossible to understand language--After inviting me, he didn't type at all and went off by himself.

One thing that I had trouble with was the large number of skills, targeting options and chat I needed and the hot keys simply were not up to it. On the advice of guildmates I downloaded a UI that added more toolbars and made life a lot easier.

ehh whats a UI?
And are there really that many skills you can master? sounds nice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

And what do you mean with many targeting options?
And could you tell me something about how the fighting system works?

UI=user interface

Yes--lots of skills, besides the ones you train, additional abilities also can be gained from items or potions.

--Targeting options--
Take the example of a buff or a healing spell. You might want to target yourself, any of up to 4 party members, or their pets (hunters and warlocks have pets.)
Or you might need a damage spell, which has to target a specific mob (monster} and not another. When all pandemonium is breaking loose in a big fight, the ability to quickly and correctly select the target of a spell or ability makes a big difference.

And there are voice macros that can be helpful which tell your party you are under attack, out of mana, etc.

Melee fighting--right click or hot key to hit. Use special abilities as needed and possible.

Sounds easy and it is, but there are often various options available, and there is no such thing as a "dumb tank."

Casting--select target and spell.

You can also dance or flirt with players, give them a raspberry, cheer for them, etc.

Did I answer your question?

Uff Cleglaw, I feel a bit envy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Your words as you describe remind me of many days I have spent in DAOC. It was fun.

jvb, I think you should try it. It will be unforgetable experience. You will meet new friends there. And as for those dumb/insulting morons, they are always there, but you can always switch ignore mode on <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> so don't worry about them. There were very very few such people in DAOC - but thats mainly because insilting person could easily be banned by admins, hope the same works in WoW.

Guess what my friend made me download <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />. (That's the WoW final BETA btw...)

So now I need some starter tips. Hopefully it will be home tomorrow.

Übereil (wondering if he shall forget to turn the computer off tonight...)

Signup for European Beta:

http://en.wow-europe.com/

For starting tips try these websites:

http://www.worldofwar.net/

http://www.theamazonbasin.com/wow/forums/

http://www.lurkerlounge.com/forums/index.php?showforum=15

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/

If you have any specific questions ask me. Basically just pick a character that interests you and jump in. The first 5 levels or so are very easy. Watch your back--enemies do respawn. Avoid taking on more than one at a time.

I'm pretty shure I will buy the game, but I'm going to continue asking questions <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

Could you tell me something about the pvp system?
I have checked their site, but I don't totally understand it.
Are the battlegrounds in the game, or still in devellopment? (second case: when are they planned to be implemented?)
And if you find an enemy player, you can't attack him immediatly or something, but you have to challenge him?
Is that correct?
Have you ever had a pvp duel?

I haven't done PVP. On the PVE server:
1. you can challenge a friendly player to a friendly duel--even somebody in your party. I have done that twice and won one, lost one.
2. If the opposing faction (Alliance if you are playing Horde) shows up in your home territory you can attack them without warning, but they cannot attack you unless you are hostile first.

There are 3 types of servers--PVP, PVE and RP.

yeah, I read about the 3 servers, but what exactly is the big difference between them?

RP is for folks who want to role play.
PVE is for folks who don't want to have todeal with PK.
PVP includes PK by default.

pk by default? So players can attack opposing factions on sight? with no need to be in enemy territory?

And do you know when battleground will be implemented?
Have you had many updates allready?

I'm sorry I'm asking so much, but I'm very gratefull that you are so patient and helpfull <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

AFAIK that is how it works.

No.

1 when I first started--large download.

and for how long have you been playing at the moment?
And is it easy to get to lvl 60?
Are their still things to do afterwards?

Not from me but I heard from people who played hardcore ( 40 or 50 hours I week ) that it took them about 2 or 3 weeks to get to around the 50 range, and another week to get to 60. Not from me though.

I play daily. Started in December. I played several classes to varying levels as high as lvl 18. Then for various reasons I would start a new character. I have finally decided to focus on an undead priest and will take her higher. So I can't tell you what it is like at lvl 60. The speed or ease with which you level depends on a number of factors. I'll say more later--got to run right now.

HAve just been looking at different classes, and was thinking of a dwarven hunter (with guns...). Any tips?

Only 9-18 hours left now (and the dl speed couldn't be more instable, it varies between 10 and 170 KB/s).

Übereil

Ube,
I haven't played that variant. Try it.

The fastest way to level is to do quests. For a discussion of "power leveling" see this thread:
http://www.lurkerlounge.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5058&hl=power++leveling

It's home now, all I need is the account (which my friend have). I fear he will drag me off for footballtraining (soccer) though. Still curious why an amateur footballteam starts to train in the middle of the winter...

Oh, and I WILL try it... What profession do you suggest? I was thinking of enchantment, but then again, it's a dwarf...

Übereil

OK, I've got kind of an embarresing question... How do you get talents?

Übereil

After reaching lvl 10, click "N" and select the talent you wish each time you level up.

Broadly speaking, gathering professions make you money and production professions will cost you money. For enchanting you will need green items to disenchant.
If you go the money making route, skinning/mining is the best.

cleglaw, what is your profession?

Priund--herbalism/alchemy-easy, fast,having health, mana, and intellect potions available is helpful. The downside is there isn't much money in it, so she auctions the linen she takes off humanoids as a money maker.

Wartar--mining, blacksmithing-time consuming but fun. And I can twink new guildmate warriors' armor and weapons for all classes. The ore mined is used for smithing. Other materials such as leather from skinning are sometimes needed, but Wartar gets it free since he keeps friends supplied with armor.

With other toons I have done mining/skinning-the most money.

Enchanting-didn't like it-takes too long to level up. I haven't tried it with tailoring though which I hear is a good way to green items to disenchant.

With the gathering professions you get the ability to find the ore or herbs but only one finding ability can be used at a time.

Professions are often geared to the specific needs of your toon. So smithing would be useless, for example, to a priest.

On the German site http://olnigg.de you can currently see a very ... sarcastic review of WOW. It's in German, sorry. The first two pictures are mainly about Supergnomi and his relative, who are a magical people : they can levitate shields. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

Olnigg is (in)famous for writing the most sarcastic reviews of MMORPGs (he's a long-time EQ player), and it's already a kind of "insider tip" now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

He points out every design-failures (often graphical ones, or language [ poor translations, for example], apart from everything else <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> ) in a very sarcastic, almost cynical way, which more than once made me almost fall off the chair from laughing (his subtitles are simply hilarious !) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

I'm not going to translate them (too much work), but you might perhaps try translators like http://www.freetranslation.com or so for that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> If the translation correct, it's absolutely worth the try ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> However, things like sarcasm and subtle humour are *very* difficult to translate, so don't be surprised if you get sort of nonsense instead. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Alrik.

I did't took the time to read it all, but I take he doesn't like mmorpgs?

Well, my impression is that he likes them ... but what he absolutely doesn't like are design weaknesses.

And he isn't very impressed by the "comic style" of the WOW graphics, either.

As I've said above, he's a long-time EQ player and his oldest pagges show that he has played UO for quite a time as well.

design weaknesses? like what?
And I think the cartoony graphics are a part of the Warcraft style, so I like it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Well, bad translations, graphical ptroblems (like the "shield-levitaters" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> ) , logical problems concerning game mechanics and so on. One of the last reviews of EQII shows his experience as a player : There was a posible exploit if you sell self-crafted things to NPCs - thus you could gain *very* much money, which was not intended. The result was that the company stopped selling to NPCs altogether, thus rendering the self-crafting of items absolutely obsolete (at least that's how it reads.

About the time when it was possible to craft things and sell them, the MMORPG was utterly full, he writes, after the stop it became fritening silent (in his own sarcastic words). The people had simply left in great numbers.

That's one of the things he writes about.

Ahhh, I hope something like that won't happen in WoW then <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
and alrik, are you gonna buy it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

No. Currently I'm not interested in MMORPGs. Maybe later.

another question, this one may sound weird, but:
I believe I've read somewhere that when you have installed the game, you don't need the cd anymore to play it.
Is this true?

How sweeet wouldn't THAT be? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Übereil

well, since the most important part in order to be able to play the game, is buying an account, and not a cd; it could make some sense.

It's probably true, I know that in AC and DAoC you don't need the CD to play so I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same for WoW.

True

JVB,
you mentioned that you have an older system. Here is a thread about a guy with an older system who feels he needs an upgrade. Some specs are given.
http://www.lurkerlounge.com/forums/...mp;show=&st=&#entry67148

Blizzard as always is doing excellent job. I don't remember seing such success with any other games, especially with MMORPG where u are going to pay on a monthly basis. I mean the status of sales. It is absolutely 100% sold out here, in Finland, in Russia. No copies available. Everyone is sitting and waiting for more hot copies to come out. That's unbeleivable.

I have bought and am playing WoW atm, and I am a lvl 25 night elf rogue.
I love the game and don't regret having to pay on a monthly basis.
Hence, I have made my brother addicted to it, so he will pay half the fee <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

I recommend it to everyone <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Heh, after I upgrade my comp sounds like something worth looking into. Thats good only paying 1/2 of it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Is it just me that has a spot of the forum really brite???

Started it last Friday and am enjoying it tremendously. Kiya enters the online gaming world <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> (lvl 15 nightelf hunter). I'm always broke, have a dedicated relationship to cemataries, due to wanting to gather leather - I'm quite good at cooking <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" /> (unlike in RL) and have discovered the joys of fishing - spend hrs staring at the blinker. Ahand! I have an animal companion, a lvl 15 feline called Bastet.

Only thing I have probs with is the chat part... I always forget to click on the person I mean.... quite painful if I am impolite, mean 1 person and seem to address all <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

See you on the server Perenolde (only German?) Duelling and gild membership is not my way to play.


Questions:

There seem to be skill related quests - so far I have the cooking and fishing quests. Does anyone know if there are more? Maybe for alchemy/herbs? And if so, where, please? My chum is druid.

And I have a hunch, there might be skinning quests as well (I'm 130/150. Leather 105/150) => yep, hunch is correct, got one skill quest there.

It is becoming harder and harder to resist from buying this game. Gosh, where are Guild Wars?
I have heard rumors that WOW is available here in a couple of stores. OMG! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
I need to resist at least until Splinter Cell release at the end of March.
But I have a feeling I may just go and buy it today if I see it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

Don't do it Egin, it's a trap, don't do it, you'll loose it DOOOOOOOOOOOOON'T!!!!!!!!!

Übereil

@ Kiya, there is also a leatherworking quest, But I personally didn't do it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

WoW?


/me goes sit in corner and cries

To do list:
Finish jobtraining (6 months remaining)
Get a job preferably one that pays ( another month or 2 )
Keep working till I can actually buy a better PC without bankrupting myself (3-4 months)

I'll be playing WoW in no-time :s

Yeah, did that one - quest reward was a recipy for a moonshine vest, pretty purple color. Sheesh, I needed about 80 leather pieces for that one. I like the skill quests, they require patience <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

I'm a bit angry: I'm in the alliance, have my lvl cap for fishing and cooking (150) - and in order to go on expert in fishing, I need to get to the other continent - <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> - even if I only need to be lvl 20 to meet requirement, I fear, I won't survive the way to Booty Bay.

Listen Übs, is WoW still available in stores in Sweden? I ask you, bcause it seems that by location you are the closest guy to me.
I think that is there a way I sent you money and you buy and send the game to me? I was searching in local stores and it is sold out here.

Draghermosran: Don't worry mate. There is a good side also, by the time, you get yourseft wow it will be bug free and full of nice additional features.

Egin: if you really want it, can't you order it on Amazon or something?

Übereil

I donno, never ordered online. How long time does it usually take from ordering till you getting it?

But, sure, if there is a problem with it, then forget it.

Kiya don't worry.
First of all, if I were you I'd make shure there isn't another way to improve that skill. Cause I thought you could train any skill to the maximum level in any of the great alliance cities as Stormwind, Darnassus and Ironforge.

If there really is no other way, just stick to the road, and you will probably survive it.
I have had to travel trough large areas where all the monsters were at least 7 levels over me. But you can always avoid them and stick to the road.
And when you get were you need to be, and aquire the skill, you must NOT forget to look for the flight master if there is one in the area.
Otherwise, take the hearthstone back; the fastest and safest way yo travel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

I hope this information is of some use for you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

JvB

Egin,

Wow is unavailable in france too for ten days/ two weeks, i think.

excuse is the servers' capacity which is making me laughing.

@all: please understand i'm not criticizing this game. Just a marketing argument here. Well it is very strange to sell a produce for 2 weeks then not for 3 weeks then again for two weeks... Never seen that.

As Blizzard is recruiting in europe i think just they were not prepared which is a fault after the bang made in the US...

Thanks, Jvb. Yes, your tips help - but let me give you an example: I had to go to Menethil (I'm in the alliance as an elf) - I strolled quite happily outside the town ON the road and had no chance against a lvl 24 crocodile - exitus. Same for the Nightsong woods: I was ON the street and an insane Urdum with level ??? attacked - exitus again.

By reading the tips on Fansites there only seems to be one way to get the fishing skill book => Booty Bay. (expert up to 225).

As for the resting stone => ever tried to activate it in a monster region? I did.... exitus again.

The game is great fun though. It's just my eagerness to max out my 2 professions - and fishing is really great fun. I did read I could look into the auction houses for a fishing book (skill up to 225). I will try that later on - as I'm constantly broke. Making money is very difficult, because I rarely sell my leather goods (skill over 200 now), give them to weaker chars or my Druid chum. And... errhm, I love shopping <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" /> - I'm lvl 24 now.

As for you surviving monsters being 7 lvls higher => you're a rogue, so you can make yourself invisible - I only can do that if I keep standing, not when I walk. IIRC there are invisibility potions (?) - but the Druid is not high enough for that.

BTW, I started a dwarf now - hunter again. I love killing with axe and shotgun. Why hunter again? Because I want an animal at my side - I'm dreaming of a Pridewing dragon. Though... maybe I'll try to tame it as an elf, I'm allowed to keep several animals, not tried it yet.

Flight masters => true, have to find more of them.

How do you fare with the last patch? I'm not very happy about it, had more crashes than I like.
Kiya

Edit => WoW will be available in Germany mid of April again. So, it seems to be sold out nearly. I got one copy online and paid 80 EUR for it as I was impatient.

Wow. Kiya's playing WoW? That's cool. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Glad to see you around the forums <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Enjoy the game.

Is Cleglaw still seen in the game? ( To anyone here who plays it ) I think he left the forums...

I rarely come to Larian. If you wish to contact me on WoW, log on to the Terenas server with a horde character. Type:

/join lurkers

This will give you access to the Lurkers chat channel. Send me a message and I will reply if I am logged on. I play daily. Alternatively, send a letter to Magead ingame and I will respond.

I am glad you are all enjoying the game.

It is absolutely ridiculous! There are 1,5 million peeps playing it and and I can't buy it, bcause it is out of stock in Estonia, out of stock in Finland and any online store that ships farther than US. F***k! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> And they say it may be will be available somewhere mid-april.

Great, now you casn buy gfuild wars instead <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />. Otherwhise, mid april isn't that long. The jews wandering throught the desert took 40 years ffs.

(I think it was 40 years at least, and if it's true or not is not really the point here.)

Übereil

I am not that parient, I am not jew.
Thanks for good words Ubereil.

Jews are humans. You are human. If they can walk the desert for 40 years, then you can wait half a month for a game to play (it's much whorse for me, it's a whole MONTH til guild wars comes out <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />).

Übereil

üb i'm sorry but there is (at least) a difference between Wow and GW which is that Wow is a game which is out what is not the case for GW.

it means it may be a game you are paying the abonment for without playing it because you don't have the game and can't find it. I know that because it is what is happening to me... i'm not saying it's very frequent but well err... it may happen.

ok, blizzard has officially announced that the next boxes will be sold from april 15th in Europe... and it was the first time they communicate officialy about that to my knowledge (well 2 weeks after they were out of stock it was pretty time, imo)...

edit: i'm still wondering what exodus has to do with that anyway <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/pandaren-xpress.html

http://www.wow-europe.com/de/

I saw that, and even dled the wallpaper. It was pretty funny. Did you hear about soe's reply though?

No ?

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive.vm?id=434&section=News&month=current

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />

Just wondering, where are the guys that did Everquest from? They talked about Smorgasbord, a term sometimes used in Sweden...

Übereil

From the Muppet Show of course ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Witht the Swedish chef (still wondering what that guy sounds like...)!

Übereil

Actually I'm DYING to get the Muppet show on DVD ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> I wonder when this might be ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

... And the Fraggles, too ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Jvb, I've got a new char now => female gnome rogue, lvl 15. Please, tell me which talents I should use. So far I only used 2 pts for "hiding" or is it called sneak? I've still got 3 to use and am insecure.

I can strangle now and work with sword+dagger. Or would you recommend fist weapons? (Something you put over your knuckles).

BTW, my elven hunteress is fishing expert now - I bought the expert book at the auction.
Kiya

Hi everyone. I have found a web site where I can buy WoW fast, but it'sa US version. They say I have to buy game cards.

My question is: is there a difference between US and EU version and can I pay by credit card instead od buying those game cards?

After having just finished playing wc3 im slighlty dissappointed that in order to play wow you need to pay monthly....

Maybe im jumping the gun here but what exactly are the advantages of that compared to say buying a game...playing through the single player campaigns,going online and playing with others and being able to use a world editor(like i am and having fun with it!!) like wc3?

I feel that if all games choose this route then it would be expensive to play (becuase no doubt you would want to play other games as well).
Surely ths would be bad for the gamer in general?
Its for these reasons that i have shied away from other such pay/monthly games.

I would say that it looks nice though but seems to be not a strat game but an rgp.....

WoW Joke.

So, a Druid walks into a bar. He walks up to the bartender and orders an Ale. Bartender brings over the drink and sees that the Druid is looking a little down. "What's the matter friend?"

"Well, one of my spells isn't working like it used to. I can't repeatedly entangle enemies like I used to. They seem to be getting out of it easier."

Bartender looks at the Druid and frowns. "Yeah, that is rough. But it could be worse."

At that moment, a Priest walks into the bar. The Priest walks up to the bartender and orders an Ale, grumbling something under his breath. Bartender looks at the Priest and says "Something the matter friend?"

"Yeah," says the Priest. "I specialized in using wands in combat. But lately it doesn't seem like it's packing as much punch as it used to."

Bartender hands the Priest the ale. "Yeah, that is rough. But it could be worse."

A minute or so passes, and a Mage walks into the bar. The Mage calls out to the bartender as he crosses the room "Give me a double!"

The bartender has the drink ready by the time the Mage gets to the bar. "Problem friend?"

The Mage downs his drink before he responds. "My frost spells aren't working like they used to. Two different spells were working differently tonight. Almost got me killed."

The Bartender starts washing a glass and he nods. "Yeah, that is rough. But it could be worse."

The Druid looks strangely at the Bartender. "You've been saying that all night. How could things possibly be worse?"

Bartender looks the Druid dead in the eye. "I'm a Hunter, this is my epic level quest."

tragic. WoW has nothing common with W3. Ok, the world, the setting, the creatures are the same. But the game genres are very different. It is not like playing ordinary game in multiplayer, it is MMORPG.

Egin:I see,thanks for clearing that up.

I hope they havent finished with warcraft as a strat game...i still see lots of potential esp in the end althougth i was a bit dissappointed with frozen thrones ending.

My dear fellow Warcrafters!

I need your help once again. If everything will go as planned then tonight I will be installing WoW into my clean-uped and defragged PC <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I have read some forums and been on fan sites. I will face my first choice. - My First Character. First character who will explore and learn World of Warcraft. Every nOOb has gone through this. Yeah, after hours of playing you will get to know your priorities and maybe restart and take character you like most.

But as for starter, what race/class will you advise? Will he/she be melee or ranged with or without magic? Pls. advise.

I like all of them. I 'd like to have pala, are palas good? They say, low damage output and less hps then warrior and weak prist abilities also. Maybe it is good to make shaman, but it seems that everyone having shamans or hunters.
So, what's your choice for the very first char?

A tough question, not knowing your preferences:

Your 1st choice is not the character, but the realm (= server)
- PvP = player versus player (lots of duelling, raiding)
- PvE = player versus environment (less of the above, but existent; more RPG oriented)
- RPG = only a few, supposedly purely RPG style; "play your character in line with the classic fantasy clichées".

on character:
all classes work, and overall are pretty well balanced - but the game is geared towards team building. That said:

With long range abilities:
- priest = specialist healer
- mage = specialist damage dealer
- druid = versatile generalist, can heal and resurrect, though not as well as the specialist, can have bear, cat, sea lion and (I am at a loss for the Englisch name of the fastest running land animal cat). As bear plays similar to warrior, as cat plays similar to rogue, as sea lion has unlimited underwater breathing, the fourth is a speedy travel form. Has great buffs (strengthening magic, and decent combat magic. Wears middle armor => my favorite
- shaman = sort of the paladin of the horde, though does have long distance combat spells, otherwise close to the druid, with no animal forms except a travel form.
- warlord = dark mage with conjured pets; can thus be played single better than the specialist mage or priest, as pet can serve as tank to distract aggressors - not easy to play, but challenging
- hunter = long range specialist with tamed pet (are on the servers in abundance)

melée characters:
- warrior = tank, tank, tank - OK as damage dealer, can take hits, wears heavy armor - at higher level combats requires a healer as backup
- paladin = slightly less efficient than the warrior, however can heal and resurrect; has great party supporting auras (a party of paladins could be interesting to play)
- rogue = stealth capabilities, and highest damage dealer, though at his best when sneaking from behind, which often is not easy to achieve.


If it is an issue for you - alliance : horde ratio on the servers is approx 2:1
PvP is much more crowded (even though there are more servers) than PvE or RPG.

1st character testing? Definitely something with magic to understand the principles and how to operate them. One with some melee capabilities to see how that works and for it not to succumb too easily at the end of the mana bar:

that brings us to druid, Elven or Tauren - the versatile generalist, with some extra class related quests.

I concede that this is biased by my personal preferences <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Glance, that's awesome ! Thank you for information.

I will definitely go PvE, as my english is not so good for RPG and I don't know the game yet to go PvP.

So, I think, I will go after pala or druid.

As for servers, what population is better to choose? I have heard there are three kinds with low med and high population. Do they show ping? Then I would like to choose something closer to me (to lower any possible lag. I hope my 512 kb/s cable modem is ok) and maybe medium polulated will do as I don't like to wander alone.

Btw, any chance to see you there? What servers are you playing on?

[color:"orange"]So, I think, I will go after pala or druid.[/color]
With pal keep in mind that you will not have any long range ability (until later in the game when you can learn something to that effect), which you would need to separate and pull enemies out of a crowd.

[color:"orange"]As for servers, what population is better to choose? I have heard there are three kinds with low med and high population. Do they show ping? Then I would like to choose something closer to me (to lower any possible lag. I hope my 512 kb/s cable modem is ok) and maybe medium polulated will do as I don't like to wander alone.[/color]
- The game shows a latency bar.
- being alone even on a low population server will not be your problem. a) low is relative, and b) there'll be a few 10.000 newbies this weekend
- I don't think you can see the actual location of the servers, though I may be wrong, as it never concerned me.
- I can't judge modem (I am on a DSL-flat), but I gave my PC an extra 512 MB RAM to make it 1.024 MB => and that made a big difference.

[color:"orange"]Btw, any chance to see you there? What servers are you playing on?[/color]
I am playing on 'Perenolde' and 'Forscherliga', both of which are German speaking. I would not mind starting on an English speaking realm, but I prefer to play with voice chat support (I usually take my yahoo account for that). If you often play with the same people, I strongly recommend that, as it increases game fun and facilitates group interaction tremendously.

[color:"pink"] With pal keep in mind that you will not have any long range ability [/color]

Ohh yes, I need someone to pull them. Druid then? hmm.

[color:"pink"] - being alone even on a low population server will not be your problem. a) low is relative, and b) there'll be a few 10.000 newbies this weekend [/color]

hmm, that's good. Yeah, today is kind of second release date for Europe, right? Or at least for eastern part of it.

[color:"pink"] I can't judge modem (I am on a DSL-flat), but I gave my PC an extra 512 MB RAM to make it 1.024 MB => and that made a big difference. [/color]

Hmm, I will look how laggy it will get and if I need any additional RAM (I have 512 also)

[color:"pink"] I would not mind starting on an English speaking realm, but I prefer to play with voice chat support [/color]

I have played with TeamSpeak once, it was cool. I will have to buy microphone though. Ok, I will let you know when I am ready to go over voice comm. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

I have a teamspeak client, though someone else always hosted the server functionality - don't know whether that's helpful (I'm a dpu (dumbest possible user) in that respect)

Don't worry, I am a DPU also, but we will figure out how it works <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Wow, yesterday at morning I at last got WoW. Came from work and and and.... the jorney begun. As of now I have lvl 7 undead priest, lvl 4 troll hunter, and lvl 7 elven druid, yeah druid <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasJump.gif" alt="" />

I would love to play with you all. Will write what servers I am on. We could even create new chars on one server and ply together, if anyone interested.

My main - lvl 10 Elven Druid is on Hellscream
and troll hunter on Agrammar

What professions did you teach your druid?

He is skinner 70
and leatherworker a bit also

And i think i probably will teach my troll fishing and cooking <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Fishing and hunting is good for hunters, because of the constant need to feed your pet (choose wisely! Except for bears, not all eat everything!)

Plus - any character that cannot heal himself with spells, should learn 1st aid.

And!

Take the time to develop your professions early. The ingredients required get higher classed, as you progress. If you wait too long, you may find yourself in areas where the lower class ingredients cannot be found (That is what happened with my druid - by the time I got around to developping my alchemy skill, I needed herbs only found in the starting region)

I noticed from my WOW experience that paladins (alliance) and shamans (horde) with their fighting/magic combination have the best chances of survival. I remember quite some times when my character died (Tauren hunter, Level 44 by now) in battle while one of them -being a couple of levels under mine- survived a similar challenge. I pushed my Alchemy and First Aid very much up, but it is still not as effective as healing abilities.

Ohh, I really couldn't figure that out on lvl 10. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Ok, my druid has healing, so he doesn't need first aid. He has not pets so he don't need food, so skinning and leatherworking is ok <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

As for troll, fishing and cooking is great choice for him as he will have pets. But he also needs first aid? But as he probably will be ranged (with throwing weapons) he will not need healing much. Does it have sense?

Agrammar ? Is this kind of a Library Island ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> [A Grammar ... ]

Indeed, Alrik, the Game Masters are very strict on this grammar dedicated server. Three typing errors and you get banned...
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

[color:"orange"]But as he probably will be ranged (with throwing weapons) he will not need healing much. Does it have sense?[/color]
No - 1. There are enemies with ranged attacks; 2. more often than you care you will get in melée situations - so do not forget to treat your close combat skills

OMG, but, how can I be good in both ranged and melee at the same time or will I be mediocre at both ? I will have pet for melee, right ? So, then, ranged hunter is a myth? Mostly I see melee rangers. And then, what profession to choose? Fish+cooking to feed the pet or first aid+ something else to stay alive???

Professions
1. Secondary Professions
There are 3 Secondary Professions. Any class can train in all 3 as well as 2 primary professions.

a. 1st aid
This gives you healing abilities which is good. Even some priests, the prime healers, train 1st aid as a way to conserve mana.
There are 2 downsides to 1st aid, both of which are related to the consumption of cloth. If you are a tailor you need the cloth which would otherwise be consumed in 1st aid. Also, cloth sells well at the auction house and is a great money maker.

b. Fishing
Unnecessary imo. It takes up too much time. One friend did report though that he fished up some nice items.

c. Cooking
The primary benefit of cooking imo is that many recipes will buff your stamina and spirit after they are consumed. The only downside is that you have to grind a lot of critters to get the raw materials, and that takes time. However, unlike fishing, you will gain experience when you kill critters.

Hunters do not have to train fishing or cooking. Pets will eat raw meat taken from critters.

Mages can conjure their own food.

2. Primary Professions
You are permitted two. They fall broadly into the categories of gathering or production.

a. Gathering
These professions can either make you money or provide the raw materials needed for production profesions. If making money is your goal, I suggest the combo of skinning and mining.

b. Production
Production is a big time money sink. Especially enchanting.

Leatherworking and Tailoring--make nice clothes. Some better than monster drops, many not. Skinning is helpful for Tailoring and necessary for Leatherworking.

Engineering--make bombs and gizmos almost all of which are useable only by engineers and therefore not salable. Paladins who learn Engineering get their only possible ranged pull. Take mining.

Blacksmith--make armor and weapons. Take mining with it.


Classes--my opinions

Paladins--boring. Slow killers.

Warriors--The tanks in a party. As such they play a primary role and have great responsibility. Their whole group will die if they handle pulls or aggro badly.
No self healing. smithing/mining or herb/alchemy. Slow killers as a rule.

Rogue--Stealth, good solo play, high dps (damage per second) in low demand for high end groups.

Shaman--jack of all trades and master of none. Very interesting class to play with multiple possibilities.

Druid--haven't played one

Hunter--good solo play, high dps, deserve more respect than they get.

Mage--My current favorite, good solo play, high dps (damage per second) in high demand for all groups. Top notch crowd control. Tailor/skinner or herb/alchemy or miner/skinner for cash. Mages get to teleport to any of the main cities instantly making them the fastest travellers from one continent to another.

Warlock--very cool with multiple possibilities for play style.

Priest-- in high demand for all groups. If your group is composed of good players it is a very satisfying exciting class. You have to be aware of everything going on all the time. If you have poor players in the party, it can be a frustrating experience. People will die and often blame it on you when it is their own poor play at fault. They tend to level slowly at solo play.



servers
High pop
queues to login at peak times, lag in the big cities, stability issues, easy to find groups to quest or run instances

Medium pop
no login queues, minimal to no lag, no stability isues, at times hard to find groups to party.

very true but trouble with priest (especially with Undead priests) is also that's it's really difficult to level up between lvls 6 and 11 because groups are sometimes a bit hard to find and it's not the best class for "soloting" (well to my knowledge it' the harder). It's really not a damage maker whatever the level is. I think after lvl 14-15 it's really more easy to find good group because priests become rarer.

druid is very fun to play and intersting imo. (well mine is only lvl 11 currently) but i really had a good time with him until now. Much more adequate for casual "soloting" IMO.

Thanks for info.
My druid dinged 15 today <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> He is also fun to pplay. I was a bit concerned on where to put talent points, decided to put 5 in feral.

As for profession for my druid I decided to have skinning (117) and leatherworking (60 or so).

Ah, Cleg, I don't quite agree with your opinion about fishing and cooking => my point of view

There are fish alchemists need ( so far 2 I know of) for fish oil => nice to sell. Fishing higher animals (lvl 25/35)and having the recipy to cook them requires no further ingredients for cooking and brings the cooking skill up very quickly. I had the max of fishing/cooking at 225 pretty quickly, by just fishing and cooking the fish <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

The thunderbirds e.g. only eat cheese and fish. So, I provide one hunter with that, so her animal is happy. My cat loves fish/flesh, so I can provide her with a variety of both <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> - cooking fish increases the healing ability they have.

Am waiting now (lvl 39) to become 40, so I can gather the fishing quest and advance to 300.

Besides that => I fish potions, locked chests, weapons, chests with engineering equipment etc.

And... fishing is fun. It relaxes me to stand by the water and find out if there is endemic prey. The funniest lake so far was Cragpoole => fish smeared with oil, rusty bolts etc => pollution.

My fav. class is hunter so far - especially since I use traps and lure the baddies into it. I think, a hunter is good for someone loving to scout through the landscape and discover - a person liking to roam on his/her own.

What I'm really starting to dislike highly about WoW is raid disease (spamming in general chat and lags, lags, lags) and the new "honour system". Gets on my nerves. I'm hoping for Blizzard to provide RPG gamers with a server of their own.

About skinning/leatherworking => gives XP by killing animals, skill is easy to advance as many leave the corpses on the ground, so I know a few "grounds" where I can skin the remnants of others and kill myself. Even high armoured warriors like a boost with the +32 sets <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> - am waiting here for lvl 40 as well, so I can put on my turtle armour <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> - and see if there are higher boosts.

300% agreed Kiya... I must say I'm on a so-called RPG new french server (Les Sentinelles) and it is an RPG only by name... No that's not really true... There are people who are making a lot of efforts for being really RP but it is very rare. And like many people are disapointed with the "honour system" there are a lot of people who really have nothing to do on an RP server. Because there are here for doing "solo" and quiet PVP on a PVE and RP server...

I'm sorry if I sound really harsh but i really didn't have any luck in the parties i was for the 3 last days... and i'm in a (more or less) bad mood

some examples

-people who are systematically rolling dices for items they don't need and they knew you need

-people who invite you in a group without a word and won't say a word during all the (generally short) existence of the group.

-people who are agressiving dangerous mobs despite of the common sense then are very surprised and angry to die.

-and also people for whom the vocabulary is reduced to "hi" and ""lol".

As far as I can say this is not really related to how old they may be. I'm precising that.

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Kiya

DEAR LORD! please, Kiya, for the love of kitties! life is so precious! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> sorry, Kiya. i can't resist. the evil in me compells me so. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

err... no comments on fishing & cooking. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Poor Guroth <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> - so you are suffering as well? I already wrote a complaint to a GM and was told to post my critique in the WoW Forum. I then answered that a lot of German people are complaining but Blizzard so far did not have the courteousy to answer. Well, I'm willing to post my complaint openly - not only because some game styles are killing my game fun but because I believe that the "dishonour system" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" /> and the raid disease increase unsocial game behaviour.

Yes, I understand you fully about groups - made my partially bad XP as well. And I already made a list for myself to keep clear of some gamers - even if they want me in their group. I DETEST greediness! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> I hate it if people dice for items they only want to sell whereas others in the group really need them. If I'm asked to join a group for an area/quest I normally don't dice at all. I hate it, if I'm asked to join and the leader doesn't give me instructions what he wants me to do. Some leaders don't like trap system - others expect SILENTLY from me to pull - it's frustrating. And about my pet => she does a lot of good work, but some gamers don't even think about protecting her with spells. She's far more powerful than I am.

I agree, communiation is not good - though I met some gamers whose playing style is similar to mine, so we agree to ASK each other first instead of dicing silently. It works - but only with some people.

And the thing I reallyreally hate most => high level chars bashing up low level chars. Horde and alliance make no difference! I had trolls helping me in a dangerous area and I helped as well. Or the dueling system => what's the sense in a 40 lvl human paladin (!) bashing up a 19/20 lvl troll? What's the sense of high-level chars raiding a beginner area? Lvl 20 chars have no chance at all. No, raids only cause stress and frustration - and even if Blizzard introduced this system with murder and sieges => there's NO penalty for butchers and slaughterers! I'm playing on a normal server, not PvP.

These gamers only choose to see the enemy - but they aren't automatically. They are gamers playing a char, I wish the individual would be judged/seen instead of this placative and stereotype enemy thinking. And there are some phrases in the general chat where I really blow my top! Some phrases are fashistic and racistic. Gee, if someone plays a paladin, she/he should have honour in their way of playing otherwise they could as well take the char of a donkey, would make no difference IMO <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

No, this game has a lot of promises, a lot of niches where people can experiment with cooperative game styles - but some are soooooooo primitive! I think, Blizzard should take up their responsibility and help by dividing game styles on seperate servers with banning penalties - so the killers can bash each other up and leave sensible gamers alone. I want them to drown in their created lags <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

Kiya

Everything you say is correct. It is just that fishing takes time and is relatively inactive time. I haven't had the patience for it. Perhaps I will give it a shot after reading your post.

As far as being an ingredient in alchemy recipes, I buy firefin snapper at the AH (auction house). Sometimetimes you can get it cheaply there--I have bought them for as little as 3 silver each. Sometimes of course it is really expensive--20 Silver apiece or more.

I maintain one alt who does nothing but buy and sell at AH. It is a big time saver for my other alts not to have to travel to Orgrimmar all the time. And it can be a huge money maker as well. Auction house strategy


I posted this in a thread I began on another forum:
"I do not like PvP and I am not a casual player. I never would have bought WoW if it were not for the fact that I had been led to believe that I would not have to be the victim of PvP on a PvE server. On a PvE server theoretically, if you don't want to engage in PvP you don't have to and your gameplay experience will be unaffected by PvP. We all know that is not true.

1. The opposing faction kills off NPCs which are essential for travel, questing, and the acquisition of skills. This has caused me masive disruption of my gameplay.
2. Battles between opposing factions cause massive lag problems for those who are not involved in the battle.

I wish they would remove PvP from the PvE servers."

I received a ton of replies. One brought me hope:

"Good news! Blizzard has announced that Battlegrounds will be in place for next patch and the following:

QUOTE
We're taking our first step towards a dishonor system upon the release of the next patch. Trivial civilian NPCs such as quest givers and vendors will now give dishonor points to players that prey upon them. We haven't decided upon a specific penalty but it will be enough that the majority of players will not wish to engage in combat with those NPCs. This combined with the fact that upon the release of Battlegrounds most players will not be targeting towns or unsuspecting adventurers nearly as often, should reduce the need to add too much more in the way of a penalty, or dishonor.


See the full Q & A here


Stranglethorn is the absolute best place for this bar none.



LOL!
Yes, this can be a problem. One remedy is a guild of people who really understand the game and are helpful and courteous to boot. I can recommend 2.
Both maintain websites which you should visit to get the flavor of the folks (As well as a lot of good WoW info). Both go back to the days of D1. To play with either group you need to become a member on their site. The amazon basin is a lot more formal and structured about it.

1. the amazon basin
http://www.theamazonbasin.com/wow/forums/
They have a presence on Stormrage, PvE, alliance, high pop server. And on Tichondriou, horde, PvP, high pop server. They are huge with I think around 500 members on Stormrage. Personally I don't like these servers because of issues I experienced with queues to login at peak times, lag in the big cities, and stability.

2. the lurker lounge
http://www.lurkerlounge.com/
This is a smaller group and not a guild per se. I play horde on Terenas with Lurkers. Small group, often only 2-4 on, but great people.
They are on some other servers as well--look at the WoW forums on their site and the servers they play will be under their avatars.

A feeling I felt compelled to express:

Once upon a time, I had a friend. A friend I care for, and who cared for me. A friend to discuss the world, and to share visions of other worlds. A friend to confide in and to trust with my inner self. A friend to seek advice from, because I knew I would get it – sensibly and sensitively. A friend who asked for advice, and while not always paying heed to it, always considered it conscientiously.

This friend plays the game, and the game transforms this friend.

My friend now is a character, a totally different entity, with a new world to explore, new skills to learn, pets which need tender loving care and an abundance of other characters in dire need of help. This is the brave, new world! Problems on the job? Not in this world. Listening to a friend’s mundane worries? Out of character in this world. A friend with other interests besides the game? With no time for THE game? What a loss! There are monsters to catch, and quests to solve – but it’s been sure nice talking to you, lad…

Friends are scarce, and losing one always hurts – a friend obsessively ‘Lost in Game’ is heartbreaking and mind blasting. Because I know, in some distant future the game will end, and there will be a void; a void, that could be filled with a friend – once upon a time in the future.

A feeling I do not wish to discuss, though.

Yes, such things suck, but I think the further you advance in this game, the less such people u meet (I mean in parties).
And everytime, except you party with old friends, you should really state clearly your priorities. Tell others what you expect from them and tell them what role you wanna take.

As for rolling I feel really <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" /> . Can u just not roll and give up the item? I roll for everything and I just give (through trade menue) all those items I don't need to other players.
Hehe, I almost got broke now as I craft for free, I rezz for free, I give leather for free. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

The day before yesterday tried my first instance. I was lvl 20, and had 3 guys 20, 20, 21. You know that cave in Ashenvale. Ok, I know that average lvl for that insta is 24 or so but we managed to survive till turtle thingies. And that taking into account that party consisted of 2 druids, hunter and rogue. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> But that was hell of a fun.

I have one more question on profession. I understand that there are 2 kind of complementary professions - fishing and first aid. And you can add one of them to two profession you have. So, can I take fishing and still have skinning and leatherworking?

I have started troll rogue on PvP server. Thinking about profession for him, dont want to take skinning/leatherworking again. Pls. suggest what could be a good choise for a rogue.

Ohh, great, I didn't notice that there is the whole page written by you folks.

Kiya, I understand your frustration and I am sorry that you experience such inconveniences so to say. There are many many players there, all different. Just close your eyes'n ears if you see things/peeps you don't like <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

As for raid disease, I really don't catch that? Do you get offended by information people share on raids?

As for PvP, if I am not mistaken, when you are challenged to a duel you can accept or not. If not, then attacker can't really do anything to you.
BTW, Person who attacks other people fnally becomes [color:"red"] red [/color] and becomes attackable by anyone. I think this can teach good lesson to any attacker.

As for killing lowbies, hmm, I thought honour system already fixed that. If you kill grey ones you get dishonour. But it seems this is still under construction.

I am probably a lucky [nocando] and haven't been offended in any kind yet. But it is really difficult to do as I have 1.5 year experience in DaoC and themost valuable experience - I have seen how people play Lineage. And that was on hell of a massacre and dishonour, where high levels camped starting locations butchering newbies, kill stealing, camp stealing massive lvl 60 against 20- PK etc. I enjoy friendly atmosphere of WoW.

Fishing, I even more interested in fishing. Can u fish in a druid water form ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

no. Some items and some very good items are linked when taken.



I'm not so sure, Egin. As I said I'm on a server open on april 15.th (well 14 th i think). My main is an undead priest(ess) lvl 29 as i was playing a lot last week and near the higher levels on the server. There are just many often no real choice to group, even for a priest.

what i see is people who are RP leaving or playing really less and giving up good idea there had because it was not interesting a large amount of people.

I don't want to generalize this, but it is nethertheless what i was seeing.

I think it's bad because the universe has a great potential, indeed.

Community is still young. Lets see what happends in some months. There will be community of players (especially high levels as not everyone can get there) who know each other well. Maybe Blizzard will even come out with servers for high lvl players, to bring them all together.

In DaoC we had wonderful community, and especially in our guild the atmosphere was as warm as it is here. Just imagine chatting and going out with good old friends <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

And MG, your level of tolerance should be higher than anyone else's.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> You know that priests are often (veryvery wrongly) treated as guilty, regardless of situation.

yep, you are probably right on that point. but also that it may be corrected in some months doesn't change the situation for now... Anyway it's not a vital matter either.

I don't mean that all is bad, though.

When she was lvl 9-10 my priestess met an orc warrior who needed bags and gave her the opportunity to ameliorate her skills in taylorship (? english name?) of 35 in 10 minutes, for free...
and there are gamers who know how to play and to play in group (even much more than me, which is not especially difficult), i don't deny it either.

as for tolerance... err well as it is well known i must be an heretic priest(ess) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> and anyway since when undeads are tolerant in Wow <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> ... don't forget our death is The Light! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

@ Egin: [color:"orange"] Fishing, I even more interested in fishing. Can u fish in a druid water form ? [/color]
Very probably not - as the druid water form can only be taken within water, and for fishing you stand outside at the bank of the water, as you have to equip the fishing rod.

What you can do though in water form is collect underwater herbs - very convenient! (if you have the skill)

And you can take any or all of the three (!)ancillary skills (cooking, fishing, 1st aid) in addition to your two main professions.

Great information thank you MG and Glance <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" /> . Yes, my troll now knows how to mine, engineer, fish and make bandages. I will teach him to cook too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

And I willprobably add fishing/first aid/cooking to my druid also.

Do you know what is frustraiting if speaking about it, it's when your mouse batteries die in the middle of the fight. I purchased rechargeable batterries for my Logitech MX 700 like two weeks ago (previous batteries worked almost two years). And they are absolutely dead now.

Just imagina 1.40 am and me jumping across apartment collecting remote controls, radios, alarm clocks in search of two AA batteries <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Btw, have you tried WoW keyboard only?
It is possible <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Ohh and now I can proudly say that I have 1024 DDRAM <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> havent tested it in raides yet.

Please join my main character and we will have some fun together.
My address :

Celdor
Level 24 elven druid
server : Hellscream

It seems I am speaking to myself here.

Ok, quick question to you game gurus <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

How to re-spec talent tree?

I searched forums and only got that it costs some gold. And the amount probably depends upon your lvl and amount of talents already learned.
Some guys say its about 50g, and if you spend that much money respeccing then u will not be able to afford epic mount.

I am thinking about respecing my druid from feral into more caster/healer like.
Didn't think that can be a problem, and very much hope it isnt.

Total re-specing is mostly done for priests, which up to lvl 50 - 55 play easier as 'shadowpriest', and beyond that are better as prime healers. At that level it takes about 50 gold.

At your level, it will be less, as you do not have to 'forget' everything of your feral form (the cat form is useful for its stealth ability at least, even if you do not combat with it)

It is done with your class trainer

Yeah, as you say about priests the same is true about my druid. As feral forms become less and less effective as I go up in lvls, because of dmg output and poor armor, I will have to turn restoration only or restoration / ballance druid. This means I become mostly healer and druids are really very good in that.

And if I decide to respec then logically it is cheaper to that now rather than wait till I get to 50 or so. Yesterday I dinged lvl 27 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

As for now, I feel quite happy with my feral mostly build, but I survise thanks to ability to heal myself. For example, being lvl 26 I soloed lvl 29 undead mage yesterday (mob, not player).

Take restoration/balance (my druid now is lvl 38) - you do need some damage output, and weapon alone will not be adequate. I only use the stealth ability of the cat form, and the waterform - and the travel form, of course (at level 30, +40% speed!)

Don't underestimate the 'omen of clarity' spell. Weapon use will trigger a mana free casting for 12 seconds (the slower the weapon, the more often it activates) - so once its activated, you can cast a costly damage or healing spell without mana loss.

I have almost chosen, one thing that still keeps me from respec:

1 choice - going balance till Omen of Clarity (11 talent points) and then taking full balance.

With such spec I will get to inervate at lvl 51 spending 42 talent points in total.

2 choice - going full restoration, then I can get enervation at lvl 40.

Glance, what will you suggest? I am lvl 28 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sorry Egin - but what is 'enervation!? I mean, what do YOU mean by it, because what it means to me, is most probably not what you mean.

Sorry, it's Innervate - the highest talent in restoration.

PS Du you use any UI / mods? If yes, can you recommend any?

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PS Du you use any UI / mods? If yes, can you recommend any? http://www.lurkerlounge.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5862

Thanks Cleg.

Yesterday I purchased from AH one cooking recipe - Savory Deviate Delight. Spent just 3 gold. I feel absolutely happy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I am planning to start muling alt. Which race's starting location is the closest to Iron Forge? I know that elves start very far.

As for UIs, I haven't decided on any yet. Too many to choose from, and I still affraid to screw something up.

Yesterday tried to create two macros, one for heals and one for let others know I am oom. None worksm I am such a nOOb <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />

Btw, why everyone is so quiet here?

Playing three new characters parallel...

As for who is starting close to Ironforge - Dwarves and Gnomes have the same start region in Dun Morogh. Though with Humans you wouldn't have to much of a problem either - there is a (free) subway from Stormwind to Ironforge. Those two cities can be visited very early without problem.

What Characters are you playing? I need some ideas. I would like to create some, fighter and some mage.

I have a dwarven fighter with engineering skill, but mainly only for the latter - I personally am not much into the melee classes.

As to mage - yeah!; or warlock - am playing both with pleasure.

The mage is the greater damage dealer, both are fragile in having only cloth armour.

Ultimately, as personal preference, I tend towards the warlock. One reason being he gets his riding animal at level 40 as a quest reward, and not for an abundance of money (so does the paladin, btw). Also his conjured pets are a great support during soloing, respectively increase damage output in a party.

I have undertaken to acquire armous sets from leatherworking guys (or the auction house) to enhance the cloth armour - and I would recommend looking into the enchanting skill, as it allows to further enhance armour worn.

As second profession either tailoring (though for other than making bags, it's not really worth the effort, since you need the cloth found for first aid skill, which both mage or warlock should be skilled in). The items to be purchased or found are generally better than what you can make yourself. So I would rather pick a 'collecting' profession in order to make money - as money you need constantly to buy spells (for the warlock even more, as you also have to buy spells for the pets). If you go for warlock, you should learn at least one other weapon skill (sword or staff).

I went gnomish mage. He is lvl 13 now. Yes, thanks to his paper armor he is quite difficult in soloing sometimes.
Got him tailoring and enchanting professions and first aid also. Good tip about first aid. Maybe I should stop upping tailoring - its around 100 now and switch to first aid. But, tailoring is nice supplementary profession to enchanting. I tailor the item - disenchant - enchant something else <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Gnomes make good pets. They are much too cute. Dorfs are just too nasty.

Shamans are versatile and fun. My shaman has been the main tank in some groups and the healer in others. He is never boring and has a variety of tricks for all different kinds of situations.

First Aid is secondary, so you can have both.

Pets? What pets? What do you mean Cleg? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I can say the same about my druid. Yesterday I was the main tank for the
group <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> And if there are tanks and a healer I can go rogue (cat form) to dish out damage on backstabs. Or become healer, primary or secondary. Or go ranged at last <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Maybe I should stop upping tailoring - its around 100 now and switch to first aid.
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First Aid is secondary, so you can have both.
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Yes, you right Marian. But, I mean, at least now, both tailoring and first aid require the same resource - linen. So I have to decide, which prof to lvl as my linen supply depends on monster drops I hunt mostly <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

On versatility I prefer the Druid over the Shaman - though the resurrection skill of the druid is a joke (once every 30 min is really impractical).

On First Aid - that is a skill I would actually teach any character, as even if you do not need it because you can heal, the bandages sell well, thus are a money resource that would otherwise be wasted by having to sell the raw cloth found.

Glance, the 30 min timer sucks of course, but still don't underestimate it.
As I know only druids can res during a fight. Just press the button and get your mate back and ready right in the middle of action. Yes, you are not rezzer by default, by your class, but you can rezz once, in extreme circumstances, and this is what I love about being a druid <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

As for first aid, this is a field yet to discover. I don't need it being a druid, I barely need it being a pala too. The mage will learn it some time soon, as he really needs self heals during the fight.

Btw, yesterday I have joined a guild <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Enchanted is the name. They say it is one of the oldest in WoW. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

[color:"orange"] The mage will learn it some time soon, as he really needs self heals during the fight. [/color]
Hmm - be warned; 1staid healing during fight, while not impossible, is awkward, as it is funnelled, and thus interrupted easily. So at least make sure you have immobilized any opponents in the interim.

Anybody ever tried the Warlock? (my current project)

Mine also <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> nice demons <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

Don't you think that any critter that is so small and cutesy pie would make a good pet?

OMG Cleg, ROFL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I understand now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Actually, then, we need a new class - A mistress <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> let it look as warlock's demoness <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> She could have little gnomes as slaves <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> Creepy.

I agree gnomes are very very cute. And my gnome became even cuter after I got a chicken companion for him <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

PS. If anyone is interested in getting his own chicken pet and don't know how to do that - let me know <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Today we will all have Battle Grounds <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasJump.gif" alt="" />
I need to lvl up faster <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

My druid is lvl 42 now.

Planning to become tribal leatherworker and while saving every copper for mount I try to do Wild Leather Quest series. This is one of the more useleff, insane quests I saw. You have to farm for around 180 turtle scales and thick leather just to give it all to vendor to complete the quest. (I am now if the final part of it where I have to get some Helm and Bracers and something else)

As for my mage - he is lvl 18 atm.

So, if anyone interested, welcome to Hellscream server.

I wanted to do something different, so now I have my own lvl 41 priest! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
allready lvl 245 enchanting, so now it will get hard to lvl it up <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

The europe realms are down thanks to a case of overheating though! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />
I hope they will get them back online soon! And maybe give another extra rested lvl <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

New patch gave us - druids a bit more damage. thats good <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Hope we will be totally revamped in next patch.

Now I have 51 druid, who is tribal leatherworker and 39 mage tailor 225 / enchanter 225.

WOW Plague

Now most rpg have the "disease curse". But let's be honest most of us don't use it because it doesn't do that much damage or the infection rate is slow. I for one am glad WOW got the guts to create a decent "disease curse".



Now maybe it wasn't intentionally, but it shows why MMORPG can (at some points) be better then RPG's. The randomness and evil of 2 million human players is something you don't see in a single player RPG. I still like single player rpg's but realism and unpredictable events like these makes me wonder if in the near future I might go MMORPG .

I hope that they just don't fix it but incorperate it into a story. Like new players get vacin to ward off the disease and a cure can found by finding the ingredients or in the local shop or alchemist.

Just wanted to paste a link about that : http://boards.theforce.net/Games:_Board_and_Videogames/b10005/21640349/?28

It's incredible ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

WOW expansion pack: CDC edition

Never heard of this disease before. I'll try to get it today and go and infect AH NPC's and bankers in IF and SW. That will bring an end to Alliance! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" />

I heard nothing of a wow expansion?

I would curse IF just to cut down on the freaking lag.

By the way all you really should check out the Darkfall site. The game will be an MMOG, it sounds unreal, if they actually pull it off it will be fantastic.

Some things to note.

Mounted Combat.
Player controlled ships (with catapaults and Ballistae)
Player built/controlled cities
All equipment can be player created
No Standard spawns...i.e. you kill 4000k wolves in the same spot...wont be able to
Full loot when you die
Absolutely no safe zones, pvp can happen anywhere at any time.
10,000 People per server
Enourmous game world...seriously huge
Player created legal systems in towns they control.

Seriously this could be sweet, check out the site www.darkfallonline.com

I will think twice before buying this game as:



It really depends what cons and pros will it have. I mean if there only be speed boost when fighting mounted, then noone really will play unmounted.
There will be restrictions, making mounted fighting unpopular. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />


Can't say anything. What lvl of control will players have over cities and ships? Can they be purchased?



Just imagine, you will spend hours running from one zone to another to find and kill 2024 more small wolf pups to lvl. In other MMOS you can just camp their spawn spot. Here you will run for weeks. (there could be point in that actually. To create something like sniper, where all is about tracking and finding your prey, but I doubt this game is something like that) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />



This is one of the worst ideas to bring into MMORPG. This makes the whole process of loooking for better items useless. And we all know - one of RPG's most important parts is to create strong uberly equiped character.
I played two games where you dropped only one item when dieing. One occasional item. It was enough for me to delete both games and never think of them again. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />




It means no safety to anyone especially new players. You can't quest, trade or just communicate safely in this game. It means lowbies ganking in towns. It means massive PK. It means high levels will be camping cities and taking into account that dead character drops everything ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />
It sounds like a worst MMO game I ever heard of. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />



Either developers are millionaires to afford huge powerful servers from the start and I doubt they are, either there will be lag!
Mass lag during battles and it big cities. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />


Take any MMO, the world is huge.

Cough.. and if I am evil or just moron and if I have anough money to buy myself a city? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />

At the end I only add that such giant as Blizzard is trying to make player friendly environment in WOW, but even there, there are problems like spamming, ninja looting, cheating.
I can only guess what anarchy and pvp hate can a game cause with the rules you explained.

Did you read their website? I dont think you have the correct impression of the game from me.

But I think I can answer a few of your questions. As for open pvp there is an alignment system of sorts...i.e. you pk ppl in town and of lower rank npc guards will attack you on sight. Also there will be racial capitals which will still be open pvp but will have alot of guards.

Mounted combat i cannot explain havent really read about it.

From what I understand players will have complete control of ships...i.e. steering and attacking, ships will be capable of being mounted with Ballistae and Catapaults.

Cites are built, no bought. You actually have to build/place the buildings...(not sure on how this works as far as resources go)

I was not thrilled about full loot at first but then i came to like the idea. For example you wont spend hour after hour doing the same instance(WoW) to get the one superweapon you want. Superweapons will not exist in Darkfall. Everything you can find from mobs will be creatable by crafters. This as they are planning will make people rely more on skill in combat than a superweapon, which I believe is good.

Also, full loot will hopefully make greifers think twice since they know they could lose everything on their character if they fail.

Also toons dont "level" in the traditional sense. You gain abilities by actually using skills, not killing XXXXX number of mobs.

As far as the server capabilities I have no idea how that is going to work.

Perhaps it is just a difference of opinion but I like the idea of a player controlled legal system...look at human history...there were evil empires/emperors, with bad systems that punished people...there were also benevolent ones...

Anyway I think it will be good...at least check out the site itll be worth it.

James--

I donno mate, it all sounds very strange.

Funny!
Ask a mage for water

I don't know if I mentioned it before; I am a guildmaster on my server, Terenas. Anyhow we are a small mature tightknit group and the quality of play when we party together is excellent. Our problem is that we are too small to raid the tougher instances like Molten Core or Zul'Gurub. Over the past 2 weeks I have spent hours working on an alliance with another guild. We finally did a raid together last night. It went well, and I was very pleased.

We got majordomo to surrender today <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Woohoo!

What does this mean ? A majordomo is usually someone who runs a house, does everything like cleaning, greeting guests, keeps everything in order ...

Hehe lol, it is a strong boss in one of the instances! You need 40 ppl to take one of these bosses down, and mostally it requires good teamwork!
So that explains me feeling quite happy we could take him down <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

How you been little dragon?

I have resigned from being guild leader (Horde) on Terenas; I still play there, but only once or twice a week. I am now concentrating on levelling a human warlock on Stormrage, using an affliction talent build. Fun! Fast levelling! I am in the Lurkers guild there.
And I started a Druid on an Oceanic server, Jubei'thos.

Hey Nero!
I have been great! Very busy too now that I have moved out of my parental house and started living on my own!
I still don't have internet there so I can't check back here too often! Although it is nice to see many familiar faces here, though most have probably forgotten me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

And Cleglaw, too bad you don't play on european servers, we could have played together! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kitty.gif" alt="" />

i still know you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> but you probably forgot about me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

wow the text adventure

does anyone still have a guest account for the european version? I would be very gratefull if someone could pm me that or something <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I hope anyone would be so nice to help me, if you can <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

thnx in advance,

thadivine

I have switched to the Stormrage server, playing a toon named Loquita. I play on Terenas only on Fridays.

anyone a char on Scarshield Legion ?

Anyone playing this game on european servers, and if so what realm <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Yes, Scarshield Legion

Thread of German WOW members, there you can find several names of this forum.

Buit I don't know whether it is languaqge-specific where you play or not. You could ask around, though.

there are german-language wow servers

I see.

I play on sylvanas, eu wow realm!

If you ever consider changing realm contact me, we speak same language to <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Atleast i think so, you speak nl right?

Yes, I do!
But it will be to hard for me to say goodbye to my by now epic geared priest!

So if you were ever thinking about playing horde on a new server, just /w lichit!

the scarshield legeon realm is a very peacefull one, I have a chance of getting in one of the server's most famous RP-guilds "The Crimson Eagle"

Then what are you waiting for? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Though many guilds might fall apart with the coming of TBC!

bleh, been in it, there's no real place for Roleplaying in WoW, there are good attempts like on Steamwheedle Cartel. Anyway If you want to roleplay don't go into WoW, "roleplaying"-servers are crammed with ppl who don't have a clue what RP is about, and those who know and do roleplay are arguing all the time about what is good and bad roleplaying.

LOL Drag that sounds just like the Pen & Paper RP-ing that I used to do ... here's a little something from that era .....
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I pray in most cases to Mystra, that the evening be a success, that I would
be able to keep up with the rest of the people, that life would be as
simplistic as a rule book and that when I arrive at the DM/GM's place
there'd be enough room to put down my character sheet and that the new dice
that I bought this week are better than the dice I bought last week and hope
that there isn't some one in the game who says " I gotta be home early
tonite" as early always seem to happen when the main fight/battle starts,
and that the Halfling in the party doesn't run of to do something incredibly
stoopid " like sitting in the chief vampire's chair and playing with the
chief vampired wand,
and hope to Mystra that someone doesn't utter the question " hey have you
ever heard of <insert enemy name> to the local thief's guild master or that
the cleric in the party doesn't revert to a different God in the middle of
play,
and that the curious Ranger doesn't say " hey, I wonder what this does, and
proceeds to push a button/lever at random and that the berserker in the
party knows when to stop AFTER the enemies are dead, and yes that that one
guy who knows always better than the GM/DM and can quote the rules backwards
while crawling over broken glass on his bare knees has a permanent case of
laryngitis and that when I role the dice for a really spectacular event they
come up high, not when I'm doing something mundane when it matters not much.

And hopefully no one has brought seafood dip for the pringles. ( as I'm
allergic to seafood )
And that I finally go up a level and that my miserable HP's increase and
that the wand I find is one of "usefulness", not as in " you find a chest,
it is locked with a dwarven tooled lock skill level extremely difficult and
you roll the best dice you've ever rolled and bingo the chest opens, inside
you find a wand, after a improved Identify spell it turns out to be a wand
of coloring" (sic)
and that the players come to play the game, not to discuss the weekly social
calendar for an hour or so.
That ..... dear Mystra is all I expect from you on my gaming nights and as
such I shall pray more often research more often and tell the world what a
great Mystress you are.
With abject humility
I remain

Mea Culpa
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

That ALLWAYS happen! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

Got my first critical ever when bartering for two tenths of a crown. Managed to barter it up to five tenths of a crown...

Übereil

a month ago i begun to play my first Role playing game Pen and paper.
i like it!
but it is so funny that all the players are so different in playing styles, and of different interests,
the one will bash everything whit out asking questions
the other wants to explore the world in peace...
exemple, the quest begins in a tavern>
the DM had a idea of a quest, but before he could give such a quest,
we already started a fight in the tavern. smashed up the bar , and stolen some beer from a mage 9we didn't know that by then).
after getting beaten up by that mage, a new quest was born,
help the mage on some item hunt or die here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />