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As a Divine Divinity fan, I'd appreciate everyone's opinion(s) on gamespot's review.Do you agree that Ego Draconis: 1)Has a weak story? 2)is Buggy? and 3)Has bad animations? I'm not being an ass, just worried about my favorite game confused!! Thank you all for your time...
The review is at http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/divinity2egodraconis/review.html

who cares what gamestop thinks. if you like it. you like it. that's it!!
I think the review is pure garbage, the reviewer nitpicks on the game and all the time you feel that he is trying to compare the game to other rpg's like dragon age for example.

I actually wrote a piece on their general to give them a piece of my mind and what i thought about that crappy review.

No game is perfect. But when a reviewer see or wishes that he was playing a different game when he is reviewing a game then the game will surely get crappy review. I said that the should overhaul their review system and that the reviews should be based on the opinion of several persons and not just one person.
I am not sure its a garbage review.

I can certainly see how the reviewer found issue with what he pointed out, and those things bother me as well.

I DO like the story however, and I like the art/scenery and all that.

However yes the animations are poorly, if you doubt, please start a new game and talk to the knight lady in the beginning before you go into Farghut or whatever. Watch as she twitches uncontrollably like Michael J. Fox with parkinson's disease. Some characters behave oddly like that, others don't.

But I think the review is sound, this IS a good game, however there are some technical and design issues.

(it's certainly worth paying for)
buggy- yes
bad story- dunno yet, havent beaten the game
bad animations- hells no! I think the animations of the game are one of its strongest points, combat looks awesome!
The story isn't "bland," it's quite well-written until you get to the ending. At that point, YMMV, and I think that depends entirely on how well-read you are. You'll think it's a great ending if you're unfamiliar with twist endings and their overuse, or just don't like happy endings, in which case you'll love this ending.

What "bugs" it has I think are limited to the control scheme and its ties to character animations, as it's eminently possible for a player character to be completely shut down by ranged fire as you're forced to watch the injury animation play out with no means of countering it, your control over the character being effectively removed for the duration of the animation (the problem, of course, is when you're hit in rapid succession, you can't recover fast enough to avoid getting hit again). Related to this is how after every single bit of dialogue, your character has his weapon sheathed, so dialogue ends, you immediately get hit with ranged/magic damage, you don't even have your weapon out, and you're screwed by a game that's Nintendo Hard for all the wrong reasons (and really, who wouldn't confront a Bad Guy and not have their weapon out, hmm?)

Also, related to animations, every single enemy has but one death animation. Kill a bunch of enemies at the same time, and watch them collapse to the ground in perfect synchronicity.
The reviewer is over-thinking it. This is an RPG that's greater than the sum of its parts - another 4 hours flew off the clock tonight. I like this RPG because of the non-leveling, because NPCs don't re-spawn, and because it's bloody difficult. It's just a fun and engaging RPG.

Don't over-think it. Just play it. smile
To real gamers reviews are less important.
Reviews are a mild guideline for me, I hate people who run around thinking a games terrible just because a few reviewers dont like it, its called an opinion not the truth or law.
I couldn't care less about Gamespot and there reviews to be honest they went down hill ages ago.
I agree with some of the things he stated. One thing mentioned is "unbalanced skirmishes." I think he just ran into battle expecting not to die when outnumbered and lacked strategy or had the wrong stats. Even on Medium difficulty I found the game easy until the end, so really I don't consider his opinions to be worth much.
Kevin VanOrd - the guy who wrote the review is usually pretty good. He did an excellent review of Demon's Souls, so right there you know he doesn't need his hand held in games. But, IMO, he focused too much on the faults of Divinity II (every game has them) and I disagree with "bland story populated by bland characters".

I actually like the story and characters much more than Dragon Age (before you flame me, it's just an opinion!). There aren't that many bugs either, I haven't ran into any game breaking bugs myself (knowing full on to avoid overwriting saves).

Like all reviews, they were written by people like you and me, and apart from having a system they will always remain OPINIONS, and mine is that Divinity II deserves nothing less than an 8/10.
sirchronos but divinity 2 got UNBALANCED SKRIMISHES like hell
first : the mid game boss (dragon) he can hit u for 255 damage from bow even if u make 90% of all side quests and kill every mobs ( exccept fjords cuz ther eu simply die from first imp) u still got alot lower lvl than this boss and he still hit u for huuge amount . if ur meale is not real problem cuz u can simply charhe him and in meale his not so hard,but if ur ranger or mage u simply die in first or second arrow and thre i nothing u can rly do with that .
but this is just begining, later situation is diferent every freeking mob is lower lvl than u and they cannot kill u even if ur freeking naked so by last few hours of game u got god mobde ( baal catch 2 fballs and die loool) but wtf last fight is again ultra hard if u like lvl 32 can be imposible. so u can find yourself in situation whee u cannot end game evn if whole echos lvl u end without use of a single potion .
the problem is lack of scaling . the damage is calculated on lvl not on real resits etc each lvl diferences between u and enemy make the hole bigger so even if u got end game gear and all stats like on end game ( using cheats) u will not be able to kill this 2 elites in mine tower when u on lvl 15 simply is imposible cuz u make 1 damage not mather what your stat are .. and this is fucking issue i use trainer to check this out and yep this is exacly truth

The reviewer didn't mention the music?

Anyway, European RPGs have always had lower scores from US reviewers. I expected this, to be honest.
The reviewer is the same guy who gave Dragon Age a score of 9.5, which I think says a lot. These are different style crpgs and although DA may have more polish, I find that D2 has more varied gameplay. It gets an 8.5 to 9 in my book.
Very good review, bud no one word about one very good side of DD2 - music and characters animations.
For the same, Drakensang (another Euro RPG) was technically a flawless game and graphically probably the best 3D RPG that came out in 2009 -- yet it was dismissed by Gamespot for being 'generic'... which Dragon Age is in every way. smile

No, I do not agree, but it does not surprise me. The game has it's share of technical flaws, but at the core it is a more than solid RPG. Deserving of a 7.5 at the very least. Although, it will be getting an 8.5 from me.

On a side note, the 360 version will probably get an even lower score from Gamespot. Not that I really care either way, as it is not going to affect my enjoyment. I'm loving this game.
Originally Posted by virumor
For the same, Drakensang (another Euro RPG) was technically a flawless game and graphically probably the best 3D RPG that came out in 2009


Agree - very good game in all aspects except HnS ending.
I used to be font of Gamespot, but in the last years I saw they're way too harsh on games and then I began to take the average between Gamespots score and IGN's score.

Imo Gamespot can't review medium-quality games. Or it's top notch 90% or when it's a kinda-good game but could be better then it's rediulously low...

In my opinion, a reviewer that takes on every negative aspect (that sometimes just comes down to personal things)of this game, shouldn't be rating this game lower than 70%...

And for people that can look past the issues, they'll rate it for about 85%. So I feel it's somewhere between that, coming from Gamespot though it doesn't surprise me...
One of the user reviews is spot-on. They should've this one as the 'official' one, imo.

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European RPGs are like large women. The vast majority of people out there don't particularly care for them, and if they take a chance and go for one, they usually find themselves unable to get past their own insecurities and fail to appreciate the total package for what it is rather than dwell on the few shortcomings that get in the way. Fortunately, there are a small core group of oddball masochists that not only prefer these often criticized aberrations, but seek them out with a degree of fervor that makes them seem insane to most "regular" folks.

All kidding aside, this is truly how the European RPG is seen amongst the genre's hobbyists. While the mainstream gamers who grew up playing Morrowind or Oblivion prefer streamlined simplicity and extremely forgiving user interfaces that do all the work for them, European RPG enthusiasts would rather have obtuse quest descriptions and overly challenging combat. This small group of core gamers look at features like Oblivion's compass based quest marker system with the same level of disgust a member of Al Qaeda would show to a Christmas Pageant.

Divinity 2 is a perfect example of this. Like most European designed RPGs, it is rough-edged and lacking the kind of polish you'd see in a Bioware, Blizzard, or Bethesda title. Unlike those company's games, a European RPG like Divinity 2 gives you features no longer seen in modern titles such as supremely challenging combat and the lack of any "Hand-holding" during your questing. No compass markers, no journal hints, and very little in the way of help...that is what you'll get with this, or any other true-to-form European RPG.

The first Divinity game, along with Germany's own Gothic series, helped usher in the European RPG renaissance of the early 2000's and quickly became one of my favorite games of all time. Combining the addictive gameplay of Diablo, the landmass of Morrowind, the non linearity of Baldur's Gate and the world interaction and NPC schedules of Ultima 7, Divine Divinity was a one of a kind game that got nearly everything right. Though its spin-off Beyond Divinity strayed from that formula by becoming nothing more than a boring slog through a repetitive series of dungeons, I still had high hopes for the long-awaited sequel that just landed into my lap two weeks ago. What started as a small screenshot at the bottom of a preview article in a 2005 issue of Pc Gamer magazine had become a small DVD box sitting on my desk.

I knew the wait would be worth it, and I wasn't the least bit disappointed.

First of all, I should make mention of the fact that my first complete trip through the game was done on the xbox version. With my PC out of commission temporarily, I couldn't wait a week for my replacement video card to arrive so I bought the console version. While it was fun, that version of Divinity 2 was plagued by game save corruption, lock-ups, black screens, a poor frame rate, washed out textures and very choppy animation. Regardless, I still enjoyed the game immensely and was so addicted to it that the constant console freezes I experienced didn't in any way deter me from fully completing it. You can imagine then how much I enjoyed the game when I installed the PC version a few days later and saw that none of those glitches had made it across to my preferred platform.

Divinity 2's story picks up not too long after the events of the previous game in the series, Beyond Divinity. Damian, having tricked one of his adopted father's paladins into helping him escape his imprisonment in "Nemesis" (This game's version of Hell) has begun to move his dark army into the lands of Rivellon in an attempt to not only fulfill his destiny as the avatar of the Lord of Chaos, but to claim vengeance against the people who murdered his lover, Ygerna. Though unlike other bad guys in most stories, Damian has elected to keep his ever increasing military power a secret and his lack of interference with the world he wishes to conquer has conveniently lulled his enemies into adopting a false sense of security.

You start the game as a newly created member of the Dragon slayers, a group sworn to exterminate the last of the Dragons that once roamed the land of Rivellon before their purging nearly wiped them out. Damian, having long ago tricked the good people of Rivellon into believing the Dragons were evil and had betrayed the Divine and his Paladins, has been able to manipulate the Dragon slayers into ignoring him and instead chasing after the politically neutral Dragons. The ironic part is that the Dragon Slayers don't realize that it is the Dragons themselves who alone possess the power to defeat Damian, and that he is their one and only true foe.

The story is actually quite deep, and much to my surprise there were a couple of huge plot twists that even went so far as to cause serious (Or perhaps I should say angry) discussions on the web boards. The ending, in particular, has been the catalyst for many heated arguments amongst Divinity 2's fans. This is an unexpected thing in a European RPG, since they usually abandon involved plot lines in favor of a few extra large helpings of difficult combat.

...and combat is what you're going to get.

Like the other Divinity games, Ego Draconis has a very simple, easy to understand combat system that looks shallow on the surface but is actually as challenging as it is addictive. While you have the standard portfolio of action RPG moves and abilities, you don't get the luxury of being able to out level or dominate your enemies the way you do other RPGs. The designers purposely crafted the game in such a way that you never really outclass your enemy and you rarely find an area where you are significantly higher level than those you fight. This does lead to some frustrating moments where you simply can't figure out how to move on, but like the Gothic series it is a hurdle that can eventually be leapt over through clever skill and spell use as well as the proper equipment.

Drastic fluctuations in the difficulty level aside, Divinity 2's combat is every bit as satisfying as Diablo...if you're into spastic left mouse button clicking and action heavy sword & spell slinging that is. Diehards who demand slower paced combat might find themselves turned off by the game's high level of combat speed. To compensate for this, Larian put in a very clever and extremely helpful pause feature that can even be set to automatically go off when you reach a certain percentage of lost health. This addition to gameplay went unnoticed by me for the first few hours of gameplay, but upon finding it I soon grew to rely on it far more than I thought I ever would. Being able to quickly swap weapons or select items not on your quick bar at the exact moment in battle where you need them sounds like something I shouldn't be praising, but seeing such a feature in a 3rd person action RPG is unheard of.

Further adding some depth to the combat would be the class-less skill system given to the player upon their ascension to Dragon slayer. While this is nothing new to the RPG genre, I can't say that Divinity 2 disappointed me in this regard either. Talented role players who are accustomed to "speccing" characters and discovering exploits in games will find a lot to love in Divinity 2's open-ended skill system. With each skill having a maximum level that few people will ever reach even with a single minded devotion to one particular skill set, Divinity 2 had me erasing and resetting my character more times than I can count before I finally came upon a build that worked. Though many find that practice outdated and bothersome, I actually enjoyed re-rolling my hero over a dozen times and considered it to be the first sign that I was playing a proper RPG.

Divinity 2's story, combat scheme and its large open world are all things to be proud of, but it's the addition of the Dragon Form your character can take that is meant to set it apart from every other "Western style" RPG on the market.

The Dragon Form, which was heavily hyped in trailers during the lead up to the game's release, is only attained about halfway through the game. Though this is unfortunate and has caused others to give up before reaching that seminal point in the story, I feel it makes the ability seem all that more important. It isn't something you stumble into blindly, it's a power you fight tooth and nail for. You spend the first half of the game scrambling as quick as you can to grab it, then see the entire theme of the game change in one blinding instant once you do. While it doesn't help those who are overly impatient, the wait Divinity 2 forces you to endure in order to earn your dragon form makes the scene where you claim it feel much more powerful and emotional.

The dragon controls much like that other dragon-based action RPG, Drakan. You launch fireballs, breath fire, and can soar through the air with relative ease. You are mostly unfettered by anything other than a few large anti-dragon zones, some of which can be turned off while adventuring on the ground nearby them. Other than flying around the fjords near your battle tower and enjoying the freedom that flight brings, the very best moments of the game are when you get to fight one the several floating armadas that Damian uses to attack Rivellon. In those moments you fly through a large open air field torching enemy ballistas, engaging in dogfights with enemy dragons and occasionally landing on platforms to lower shields or fight that particular fleet's commander. It's this constant aerial fighting and landing on enemy ground to disable their magical shields that was the most enjoyable aspect of the game. While it's unfortunate that you don't get to it until the game's mid point, it's definitely worth the wait. Especially considering that each of these battles you engage in with Damian's flying fortresses (Of which there are 3) take about an hour to complete. It's truly astounding how much detail went into this one aspect of the game, and I'd love to see Larian make a spin-off with nothing BUT these battles.

The Dragon form may get all the press, but one of the least mentioned and most under-appreciated is the summoned creature you are allowed to build.

The creature, which you assemble courtesy of a necromancer, is fashioned from spare monster parts that are found randomly around the world. These body parts each have their own stats and abilities and can be combined together to form a faithful companion that will mindlessly fight for you whenever you call it forth. Though its AI and speed leave something to be desired, it becomes a valuable asset late in the game when it gains access to the Fatality and Rush Attack abilities. Even without those skills, it's still unusually hardy and can take much more of a beating than you can, making it the perfect distraction when fighting large groups of enemies. While it may not be as important to the game as the Dragon Form, I found myself becoming obsessed with locating new parts and getting the most out of my creature. By the end of the game he had around twelve hundred hit points and usually lasted longer than I did during a fight. The only downside is that there is no way to heal him, so when he dies you must wait for the cool down period to end so that you can summon him again.

Besides the Dragon Form and the Necromancer's pet, you also get to command a small tower of followers who work for you. Much like the castle in the original two Suikoden RPGs for the Playstation, you are given your own base of operations and are told to do your best to upgrade it. By completing quests for each of the tower's commanders you gain several benefits that you wouldn't enjoy otherwise. Find a gem for your enchanter and the material cost of enchanting weapons decreases. Locate your arena master's sister and steal her magical blade to increase the maximum level your skills can be trained to. Steal a book from a powerful mage and give it to your necromancer so he can sell you better limbs for your creature. You can even give better weapons and armor to your "Runners" and have them scour the world for crafting ingredients while you complete quests. It's not an excessively deep system, but the battle tower is a great addition to what is already a very unique game.

Aesthetically, the game is shockingly sound for a European title. By that I mean that its graphics, while quite good, don't send your system to a crashing halt due to poorly coded and/or outdated engines.

This goes double for the soundtrack, which was crafted by Divinity series veteran and gifted Russian musician Kirill Pokrovsky. His drum beats, wispy tunes and eerie dungeon music combine to make Divinity 2's soundtrack something to remember. Even when compared to Inon Zur's masterful Dragon Age tracks, Divinity 2 stands tall.

What on the surface looks like a run of the mill European action RPG (Is there even such a thing??) is made unique through the inclusion of the summoned creature system, the Battle Tower, and the truly phenomenal and well thought out Dragon mode. Putting all of this together in one RPG without having the other aspects of the game suffer is truly a monumental feat and one that shouldn't go unnoticed. If they find the right audience, Larian could make quite a name for themselves creating sequels using this same formula. Though it lacks the kind of polish a big budget game receives, it still manages to deliver one of the most unique and enjoyable RPG experiences of the past five years. Along with this, Risen, and Dragon Age I'd have to say that the old school PC RPG is making one heck of a comeback. If ever there was a time to own a top of the line PC and a credit card with a high limit, that time is now.

Divinity will undoubtedly be overlooked thanks to Dragon Age still being the "RPG du jour", but your addiction to Bioware's latest masterpiece should in no way deter you from taking a couple weeks out of your life to play through it. Larian has managed to create an open world game that does more than just throw a ton of side quests and a few puzzles at you before calling it an RPG. They crafted a unique title that stands out in the crowd and harkens back to a time ten years ago when Europe revitalized the PC RPG sub-genre with titles like Arx Fatalis, Gothic, and Sacred.

Sure, most gamers aren't too keen on buying RPGs made east of the Atlantic Ocean, but to those who do prefer the rough-edged games you find there, Divinity is pure gold. If you love your RPGs hard, lacking a little polish, but filled to the brim with interesting things to do and places to see, you'd be punishing yourself for not picking up this game. Though it truly doesn't shine until the midway point when you gain access to your powers, I still found myself addicted to it the same way I was to both Dragon age and Risen.

Simply put, if you love RPGs the way I do, you'll love Divinity 2.
Have noticed only a couple bugs, and most of 'em are solvable.

To address what you were worried about in the review:
A) Bad animations? No, I like the way the character runs (if a bit weird), and my character does a flip at the top of ladders and it's neat the way she lands. Very Spider-Man.

B) Buggy has been addressed. I've played buggier.

C) A weak story? I dunno, medieval fantasy characters saving the world again? How is this different from any other fantasy RPG, Dragon Age included?

Don't sweat the review. C-Net/Gamespot likes whoever pays the most for their ads. They called the combat in Risen "troublesome," which it wasn't, and masturbated all over Dragon Age, which was a lot of fun, but I got tired of the zoned off sandbox they let you play in.

My only wish list for Divinity 2 would be a "block" feature like in Risen.
Why focus on a review from only one site?

Check at Metacritic to compare all reviews. Current score of the game is 77. Not bad.
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Do you agree with gamespot's review of Ego Draconi


My answer is yes.

While the reviewer did focus on the negatives that doesn't mean they should be ignored.
@ virumor

Where did you find that really long review? who wrote it?
It's a Gamespot user review.
Here is the direct link: gamespot user review

Really well written I have to say. I'll look at that user's other reviews for sure.
Yes I agreed with 80% of review

story IS weak if you ask me and I have played many RPPs.Yea I know It is another hero who save world just like any bioware game.agreed but that is only ending,true story take history facts,lore,NPCs and a whole story,not just ending.

For bugs I can"t say anything becaose I didn"t notice them.

Dialogues are solid

Music is amazing

Animations are OK if you ask me

Cinematics are wonderful

Interaction with NPCs is comic

voice acting is OK

Humor is Ok,nothing special

Replability is zero.I don"t have any wish to play again



I have seen many people who still claim that D2 is better game than DA:O but in Screenfun(gamer magazine in my country)D2 get 4/5 and DA:O get 5/5 with screenfun award.Please stop saying that D2 or DA:O is better game.They are maybe same genres but not same sub-genres and they are not on same level.
















I actually enjoy a lot of things in Divinity II over Dragon Age, but I won't dispute that Dragon Age is a more polished experience. That was expected, though, since it's from a AAA developer with a lot of resources.
Had this game for about a week now. It is the first european rpg and only the second I have played on a console (not pc). Quite frankly I love this game, the minor tics can be a little annoying at times but I am enjoying this game immensely
Yes- gamespot review pretty much hit everything good and bad about Divinity 2. But that's not stopping me from enjoying the game. smile
I agree about the animations. And I agree with the poster above who said the animations looked like Parkinson's disease. I actually had to exit the game after my first few minutes because it created a bad first impression for me.

But I came back to the game and now I am gradually getting used to them. I still think the animations look amateurish but I am enjoying D2 very much despite that. A good game is more than the sum of its parts and D2 is no exception.
Call me crazy, but I love games like this that are awesome, but still a little rough around the edges. These "imperfections" pour some humanity into the art, imo. I know it sounds goofy, but sometimes when a game is too polished and stuff, it almost feels like it was made by a machine and not humans. It's a similar experience with music. I prefer seeing/hearing a band live over a super polished record.
I had a very hard time getting into Divinity II because of so many imbalances. But now that I'm close to half way through, and learned how to best play my character, I'm very addicted and enjoying the game immensely.

I think you will see a variety of reviews, depending on the reviewer him/herself.
Originally Posted by SteelCaress
Have noticed only a couple bugs, and most of 'em are solvable.

To address what you were worried about in the review:
A) Bad animations? No, I like the way the character runs (if a bit weird), and my character does a flip at the top of ladders and it's neat the way she lands. Very Spider-Man.

B) Buggy has been addressed. I've played buggier.

C) A weak story? I dunno, medieval fantasy characters saving the world again? How is this different from any other fantasy RPG, Dragon Age included?

Don't sweat the review. C-Net/Gamespot likes whoever pays the most for their ads. They called the combat in Risen "troublesome," which it wasn't, and masturbated all over Dragon Age, which was a lot of fun, but I got tired of the zoned off sandbox they let you play in.

My only wish list for Divinity 2 would be a "block" feature like in Risen.

I really had the same thoughts as you, as I just finished off Risen before starting D2. If couple with Risen alike blocking feature, this game can really be challenging. And I enjoy the flip at top of ladders animation on my female toon, which I didnt notice this at all during my first run through with a male toon.
Well no shit, the female character's animations are pure Fanservice. You don't have to be a Troper to notice this, though apparently it helps.

As for the weak story, it doesn't seem all that different until you get to the ending. I'm not going to say any more on the subject, cuz you should understand what I'm getting at if you've actually seen this game's ending.
Originally Posted by Libertarian
I actually enjoy a lot of things in Divinity II over Dragon Age, but I won't dispute that Dragon Age is a more polished experience. That was expected, though, since it's from a AAA developer with a lot of resources.

Of course becaose YOU like SINGLE player,diablo and sandbox.I like PARTY,and GREAT STORY
Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.
1)Has a weak story? 2)is Buggy? and 3)Has bad animations?

weak story: my ass! i love the story!
Buggy: Well yes its a bit buggy
Bad animations: mmmmmm nah i think its ok. I had fun kicking the games ass so i,m fine...
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Libertarian
I actually enjoy a lot of things in Divinity II over Dragon Age, but I won't dispute that Dragon Age is a more polished experience. That was expected, though, since it's from a AAA developer with a lot of resources.

Of course becaose YOU like SINGLE player,diablo and sandbox.I like PARTY,and GREAT STORY


No, I like both.
Originally Posted by Ineluke

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

The prequel 'Drakensang: River of Time' has long been confirmed actually and will be released in February in Germany.

I played the German demo and I was impressed.
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























No one is saying that DAO is the same game as lord of the rings ..read the freaking post carefully dude.

What many have said,and i agree is that the story is the same as lord of the rings,it's a blatant copy.

I don't know what old school RPG is? get real how the hell do you know what i think old school RPG is, i have played countless RPG.

Don't even try to tell me what RPG i have played,you haven't got a clue.DAO is boring ,it's shiny and dull, lacking any originality and depth.If DAO was like BG1 then yeah it would get more love from me but it isn't.

Go play Drakensang " The Dark Eye" then come back and tell me about "old school" rpg. That game is IMO better than DAO,it's only let down is the voice over but other than that it blitz DAO into the dirt.

It's skill system and crafting is ten times better because it's sandbox,you do know what sandbox is don't you.

It has a great story that makes DAO look like the unoriginal rip from Lord of the rings it is.

Like i said, DAO is a freaking movie that gets real boring and predictable after the first few hours,you know where it's going.

The world is a box and your typical BioWare push you along the pathway crab,it's got to be the most linear game they have made.

Even Drakensangs world is less linear by a long shot.

D2 story is miles ahead of DAO,it spits it out and leave people like you to pick it back up again.

All in all DAO is a flash one track pony that is old and lacking any real substance,it's like BioWare have got stuck in their ways and move away from what made them special in the first place.

These days ,if you play one BioWare game then you have played them all but in a different skin.

Now,as for me needing a doctor ,yes i do because i think DAO has nearly bored me to death.

Oh,i leave you to your flash movie where all pathways are blocked.

I like Europe and hate the US? is this some sort of political thread now?

Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























No one is saying that DAO is the same game as lord of the rings ..read the freaking post carefully dude.

What many have said,and i agree is that the story is the same as lord of the rings,it's a blatant copy.

I don't know what old school RPG is? get real how the hell do you know what i think old school RPG is, i have played countless RPG.

Don't even try to tell me what RPG i have played,you haven't got a clue.DAO is boring ,it's shiny and dull, lacking any originality and depth.If DAO was like BG1 then yeah it would get more love from me but it isn't.

Go play Drakensang " The Dark Eye" then come back and tell me about "old school" rpg. That game is IMO better than DAO,it's only let down is the voice over but other than that it blitz DAO into the dirt.

It's skill system and crafting is ten times better because it's sandbox,you do know what sandbox is don't you.

It has a great story that makes DAO look like the unoriginal rip from Lord of the rings it is.

Like i said, DAO is a freaking movie that gets real boring and predictable after the first few hours,you know where it's going.

The world is a box and your typical BioWare push you along the pathway crab,it's got to be the most linear game they have made.

Even Drakensangs world is less linear by a long shot.

D2 story is miles ahead of DAO,it spits it out and leave people like you to pick it back up again.

All in all DAO is a flash one track pony that is old and lacking any real substance,it's like BioWare have got stuck in their ways and move away from what made them special in the first place.

These days ,if you play one BioWare game then you have played them all but in a different skin.

Now,as for me needing a doctor ,yes i do because i think DAO has nearly bored me to death.

Oh,i leave you to your flash movie where all pathways are blocked.

I like Europe and hate the US? is this some sort of political thread now?



ahh that is point
I guess your first RPG was Oblivion and now you think that every RPG should be sandbox
and that BioWare games are linear.Yes they are linear,but full of deatails,history,interesting characters,world,details,replability...and they are emotional,so you really feel something when you talk with companions.
Originally Posted by Ineluke

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.


So every European is a history expert?
You dont think that people who do not live in Europe cannot read books to learn about history?

Once you started to group everyone together simply because of their nationality you lost any credibility with me buddy.
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























No one is saying that DAO is the same game as lord of the rings ..read the freaking post carefully dude.

What many have said,and i agree is that the story is the same as lord of the rings,it's a blatant copy.

I don't know what old school RPG is? get real how the hell do you know what i think old school RPG is, i have played countless RPG.

Don't even try to tell me what RPG i have played,you haven't got a clue.DAO is boring ,it's shiny and dull, lacking any originality and depth.If DAO was like BG1 then yeah it would get more love from me but it isn't.

Go play Drakensang " The Dark Eye" then come back and tell me about "old school" rpg. That game is IMO better than DAO,it's only let down is the voice over but other than that it blitz DAO into the dirt.

It's skill system and crafting is ten times better because it's sandbox,you do know what sandbox is don't you.

It has a great story that makes DAO look like the unoriginal rip from Lord of the rings it is.

Like i said, DAO is a freaking movie that gets real boring and predictable after the first few hours,you know where it's going.

The world is a box and your typical BioWare push you along the pathway crab,it's got to be the most linear game they have made.

Even Drakensangs world is less linear by a long shot.

D2 story is miles ahead of DAO,it spits it out and leave people like you to pick it back up again.

All in all DAO is a flash one track pony that is old and lacking any real substance,it's like BioWare have got stuck in their ways and move away from what made them special in the first place.

These days ,if you play one BioWare game then you have played them all but in a different skin.

Now,as for me needing a doctor ,yes i do because i think DAO has nearly bored me to death.

Oh,i leave you to your flash movie where all pathways are blocked.

I like Europe and hate the US? is this some sort of political thread now?



ahh that is point
I guess your first RPG was Oblivion and now you think that every RPG should be sandbox
and that BioWare games are linear.Yes they are linear,but full of deatails,history,interesting characters,world,details,replability...and they are emotional,so you really feel something when you talk with companions.


So you didn't clock the BG1 bit then,you do know what that stands for,don't you?

Oblivion the actual game by it's self is not that good,flash graphics but lacking in many ways,scaling being one of them. It's the hard special work from the modders that have made that game a good RPG,without the mods it would be another lacking RPG in the same vain as DAO.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and just picking out bit's of my post that suit you,read what i am saying.Know one is arguing the detail BioWare have put into DAO or the fact you can repeat the same dull process as many times as you want.

I am not for a minute saying that BioWare are a crap dev team,that would be just dumb but they are seriously feeding us the same old stuff with different skins. I spent many a year playing NWN1 and many an evening smashing the crap out of BG1-2,they were or are epic games.

DAO is not so epic,yeah it looks good and a lot has gone into the game mechanics but it's still lacking that real RPG feel that Bioware used to have,now it's more like a freaking night at the movies.

They are emotional! lol, so you played with a box of tissue on your lap then.
I can sit here and say "hand on heart " i felt more emotion getting my dragon stone today and changing form than i did playing DAO for 60-70 hours.

My take..

I found the people's reactions in the world quite implausible. I mean, with the blight coming and all, you'd think people understood the importance of fighting together, but no, each side (humans, dwarves, elves, gee how original btw) has their petty bullshit that makes me basically go through a standard 3 level dungeon/temple/ruins and massacre everything inside, get the w/e quest item, go back to the main guy of the race, give him the item, slap his face around just so he can send me ZOMG 50 WHOLE TROOPS to fight the final battle. What a bunch of idiots.

The blight,as a main quest is actually far more terrible than anything else you'll encounter in the game, except maybe for the quests where you have to bring 15 items X (rat tails? don't remember/care). HOLY SHIT DUDE THE FREAKING BLIGHT IS COMING AND YOU WANT FREAKING RAT TAILS/MANA POTIONS/UNDEAD TESTICLES? By the way, this isn't the first blight and it isn't the last. This makes it even more generic and mundane. I mean, for dragon age 2, we will probably have to fight THE NEXT BLIGHT.

The game had a ridiculous amount of unnecessary fights that got tedious to the extreme. There is auto levelling, which makes item management and pimping out characters a waste of your time and effort. Especially considering the last fight can be won almost without your participation.

Most of the player characters are actually pretty predictable in what they say,which becomes intolerable after a few hours.

All in all,the game doesn't come close to the Baldur's Gate series, and it really doesn't feel like "spiritual successor" of anything to me. Didn't really feel like my choices affected anything in the game, except for the type of soldiers I got during the final battle. Gee, thanks. I guess.

The one thing I liked though, was the Fade world in the mage's tower. That had a BG-ish feel to it. Was probably the only original/fresh idea in the entire goddamn game.

So their you have it,my take on DAO but don't listen to me though,i am just a hack and slash junky who hate America. silence


This place seems very xenophobic when it comes to anything that's from the US or Canada. Very odd. A very depressing place.
Originally Posted by Libertarian
This place seems very xenophobic when it comes to anything that's from the US or Canada. Very odd. A very depressing place.


I've noticed this too, very disappointing.

Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
[quote=Ineluke]Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























No one is saying that DAO is the same game as lord of the rings ..read the freaking post carefully dude.

What many have said,and i agree is that the story is the same as lord of the rings,it's a blatant copy.

I don't know what old school RPG is? get real how the hell do you know what i think old school RPG is, i have played countless RPG.

Don't even try to tell me what RPG i have played,you haven't got a clue.DAO is boring ,it's shiny and dull, lacking any originality and depth.If DAO was like BG1 then yeah it would get more love from me but it isn't.

Go play Drakensang " The Dark Eye" then come back and tell me about "old school" rpg. That game is IMO better than DAO,it's only let down is the voice over but other than that it blitz DAO into the dirt.

It's skill system and crafting is ten times better because it's sandbox,you do know what sandbox is don't you.

It has a great story that makes DAO look like the unoriginal rip from Lord of the rings it is.

Like i said, DAO is a freaking movie that gets real boring and predictable after the first few hours,you know where it's going.

The world is a box and your typical BioWare push you along the pathway crab,it's got to be the most linear game they have made.

Even Drakensangs world is less linear by a long shot.

D2 story is miles ahead of DAO,it spits it out and leave people like you to pick it back up again.

All in all DAO is a flash one track pony that is old and lacking any real substance,it's like BioWare have got stuck in their ways and move away from what made them special in the first place.

These days ,if you play one BioWare game then you have played them all but in a different skin.

Now,as for me needing a doctor ,yes i do because i think DAO has nearly bored me to death.

Oh,i leave you to your flash movie where all pathways are blocked.

I like Europe and hate the US? is this some sort of political thread now?



ahh that is point
I guess your first RPG was Oblivion and now you think that every RPG should be sandbox
and that BioWare games are linear.Yes they are linear,but full of deatails,history,interesting characters,world,details,replability...and they are emotional,so you really feel something when you talk with companions.


So you didn't clock the BG1 bit then,you do know what that stands for,don't you?

Oblivion the actual game by it's self is not that good,flash graphics but lacking in many ways,scaling being one of them. It's the hard special work from the modders that have made that game a good RPG,without the mods it would be another lacking RPG in the same vain as DAO.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and just picking out bit's of my post that suit you,read what i am saying.Know one is arguing the detail BioWare have put into DAO or the fact you can repeat the same dull process as many times as you want.

I am not for a minute saying that BioWare are a crap dev team,that would be just dumb but they are seriously feeding us the same old stuff with different skins. I spent many a year playing NWN1 and many an evening smashing the crap out of BG1-2,they were or are epic games.

DAO is not so epic,yeah it looks good and a lot has gone into the game mechanics but it's still lacking that real RPG feel that Bioware used to have,now it's more like a freaking night at the movies.

They are emotional! lol, so you played with a box of tissue on your lap then.
I can sit here and say "hand on heart " i felt more emotion getting my dragon stone today and changing form than i did playing DAO for 60-70 hours.

My take..

I found the people's reactions in the world quite implausible. I mean, with the blight coming and all, you'd think people understood the importance of fighting together, but no, each side (humans, dwarves, elves, gee how original btw) has their petty bullshit that makes me basically go through a standard 3 level dungeon/temple/ruins and massacre everything inside, get the w/e quest item, go back to the main guy of the race, give him the item, slap his face around just so he can send me ZOMG 50 WHOLE TROOPS to fight the final battle. What a bunch of idiots.

The blight,as a main quest is actually far more terrible than anything else you'll encounter in the game, except maybe for the quests where you have to bring 15 items X (rat tails? don't remember/care). HOLY SHIT DUDE THE FREAKING BLIGHT IS COMING AND YOU WANT FREAKING RAT TAILS/MANA POTIONS/UNDEAD TESTICLES? By the way, this isn't the first blight and it isn't the last. This makes it even more generic and mundane. I mean, for dragon age 2, we will probably have to fight THE NEXT BLIGHT.

The game had a ridiculous amount of unnecessary fights that got tedious to the extreme. There is auto levelling, which makes item management and pimping out characters a waste of your time and effort. Especially considering the last fight can be won almost without your participation.

Most of the player characters are actually pretty predictable in what they say,which becomes intolerable after a few hours.

All in all,the game doesn't come close to the Baldur's Gate series, and it really doesn't feel like "spiritual successor" of anything to me. Didn't really feel like my choices affected anything in the game, except for the type of soldiers I got during the final battle. Gee, thanks. I guess.

The one thing I liked though, was the Fade world in the mage's tower. That had a BG-ish feel to it. Was probably the only original/fresh idea in the entire goddamn game.

So their you have it,my take on DAO but don't listen to me though,i am just a hack and slash junky who hate America. silence


[/quote]
Yes you are
Originally Posted by Libertarian
This place seems very xenophobic when it comes to anything that's from the US or Canada. Very odd. A very depressing place.


I can't stress enough that it's nothing personnel towards Canada or the US,i really have nothing against a good game coming from that part of the world.I am just being honest,i mean i actually think ME is a better game than DAO,it really is a deep and engaging game that deserves the praise.

It seems to me that a lot of people from the US won't have a bad word said against certain DEV teams even if they have not quite come up with the goods this time.Some of the reviews coming from the states and some European gaming sites are way off and not fair IMO.

The same thing happened with Risen,although not as good as Gothic 2 it is still a great RPG that should of got better reviews. DAO is flawed in many ways,it does not make it a crap game but some of the marks are just over the top,way over.

Take "the Witcher" enhanced edition,it really is a brilliant game that has won over a hundred awards and kills DAO for story hands down,it's a fab mature RPG.DAO bad problems on the port over to consoles just like D2 had teething problems but the reviewers seem to conveniently leave stuff like that out when reviewing that game.

The story is a rip from lord of the rings,i mean a blatant copy of events. Any other dev team would be accused of an unoriginal story lacking any imagination but BioWare have got away with it.If a European dev team brings a crap game out then i will say it's crap but if that game is anywhere near decent i am going to support them.

D2 is not perfect but it's a damn good game with a great story that is just or more exciting than DAO.If Larian could get a major publisher with a great name or if they had EA this game would be getting 90+ reviews,it's a labour of love and not just a game churned out to the masses on a conveyor belt.

I really don't understand how many people can't see it,they are stuck with these key dev teams that will continue to churn out the same old same old and gaming site will suck it up.Some of these sites including European sites are giving DAO 98%,WTF are they freaking serious.

Some of these same sites are giving D2 70%,are they freaking blind,i mean they are really trying to say that D2 is nearly 30% lower than DAO?





Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
[quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke]Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























No one is saying that DAO is the same game as lord of the rings ..read the freaking post carefully dude.

What many have said,and i agree is that the story is the same as lord of the rings,it's a blatant copy.

I don't know what old school RPG is? get real how the hell do you know what i think old school RPG is, i have played countless RPG.

Don't even try to tell me what RPG i have played,you haven't got a clue.DAO is boring ,it's shiny and dull, lacking any originality and depth.If DAO was like BG1 then yeah it would get more love from me but it isn't.

Go play Drakensang " The Dark Eye" then come back and tell me about "old school" rpg. That game is IMO better than DAO,it's only let down is the voice over but other than that it blitz DAO into the dirt.

It's skill system and crafting is ten times better because it's sandbox,you do know what sandbox is don't you.

It has a great story that makes DAO look like the unoriginal rip from Lord of the rings it is.

Like i said, DAO is a freaking movie that gets real boring and predictable after the first few hours,you know where it's going.

The world is a box and your typical BioWare push you along the pathway crab,it's got to be the most linear game they have made.

Even Drakensangs world is less linear by a long shot.

D2 story is miles ahead of DAO,it spits it out and leave people like you to pick it back up again.

All in all DAO is a flash one track pony that is old and lacking any real substance,it's like BioWare have got stuck in their ways and move away from what made them special in the first place.

These days ,if you play one BioWare game then you have played them all but in a different skin.

Now,as for me needing a doctor ,yes i do because i think DAO has nearly bored me to death.

Oh,i leave you to your flash movie where all pathways are blocked.

I like Europe and hate the US? is this some sort of political thread now?



ahh that is point
I guess your first RPG was Oblivion and now you think that every RPG should be sandbox
and that BioWare games are linear.Yes they are linear,but full of deatails,history,interesting characters,world,details,replability...and they are emotional,so you really feel something when you talk with companions.


So you didn't clock the BG1 bit then,you do know what that stands for,don't you?

Oblivion the actual game by it's self is not that good,flash graphics but lacking in many ways,scaling being one of them. It's the hard special work from the modders that have made that game a good RPG,without the mods it would be another lacking RPG in the same vain as DAO.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and just picking out bit's of my post that suit you,read what i am saying.Know one is arguing the detail BioWare have put into DAO or the fact you can repeat the same dull process as many times as you want.

I am not for a minute saying that BioWare are a crap dev team,that would be just dumb but they are seriously feeding us the same old stuff with different skins. I spent many a year playing NWN1 and many an evening smashing the crap out of BG1-2,they were or are epic games.

DAO is not so epic,yeah it looks good and a lot has gone into the game mechanics but it's still lacking that real RPG feel that Bioware used to have,now it's more like a freaking night at the movies.

They are emotional! lol, so you played with a box of tissue on your lap then.
I can sit here and say "hand on heart " i felt more emotion getting my dragon stone today and changing form than i did playing DAO for 60-70 hours.

My take..

I found the people's reactions in the world quite implausible. I mean, with the blight coming and all, you'd think people understood the importance of fighting together, but no, each side (humans, dwarves, elves, gee how original btw) has their petty bullshit that makes me basically go through a standard 3 level dungeon/temple/ruins and massacre everything inside, get the w/e quest item, go back to the main guy of the race, give him the item, slap his face around just so he can send me ZOMG 50 WHOLE TROOPS to fight the final battle. What a bunch of idiots.

The blight,as a main quest is actually far more terrible than anything else you'll encounter in the game, except maybe for the quests where you have to bring 15 items X (rat tails? don't remember/care). HOLY SHIT DUDE THE FREAKING BLIGHT IS COMING AND YOU WANT FREAKING RAT TAILS/MANA POTIONS/UNDEAD TESTICLES? By the way, this isn't the first blight and it isn't the last. This makes it even more generic and mundane. I mean, for dragon age 2, we will probably have to fight THE NEXT BLIGHT.

The game had a ridiculous amount of unnecessary fights that got tedious to the extreme. There is auto levelling, which makes item management and pimping out characters a waste of your time and effort. Especially considering the last fight can be won almost without your participation.

Most of the player characters are actually pretty predictable in what they say,which becomes intolerable after a few hours.

All in all,the game doesn't come close to the Baldur's Gate series, and it really doesn't feel like "spiritual successor" of anything to me. Didn't really feel like my choices affected anything in the game, except for the type of soldiers I got during the final battle. Gee, thanks. I guess.

The one thing I liked though, was the Fade world in the mage's tower. That had a BG-ish feel to it. Was probably the only original/fresh idea in the entire goddamn game.

So their you have it,my take on DAO but don't listen to me though,i am just a hack and slash junky who hate America. silence


[/quote]
Yes you are [/quote]

So far you haven't been able to counter what i am saying about DAO,why not give me a review on why you think i am wrong instead of one shot answers that are pointless.

All you have done is concentrate on me instead of the topic at hand,this shows that you have no answer and can't have a mature debate,you are making this to easy for me. thankyou

Anyway i am off to bed.. sleep
Mass Effect is a better game than DA:O. I wholeheartedly agree. You're thrown plot twists that actually make some sense in ME and the main plot is sufficiently resolved in the first game without tossing the necessity for a continuation of the universe's story out the proverbial airlock. DA:O you're thrown what is basically the same damn incentive each and every time - fix someone's stupid shit in return for their help in fighting off the Big Bad's army of mooks because our nation's king was a glory-seeking fool and his advisor was the only sane man.

But anyway, D2's plot itself is actually pretty good, nonsensical plot twists notwithstanding. You can chalk up the Big Bad's stupid decisions (and there are a LOT of them, starting with his first meeting the Protagonist - why didn't he simply kill the Protagonist right then and there? oh cuz then the game would be over, right? so why do we even MEET the Big Bad in the first place?) to being a classical villain drunk on power and having spectacularly flunked out of magnificent bastard school (no "C for effort" reward here - his dead girlfriend's the true magnificent bastard in the story) while the protagonist systematically ruins his plans - token victories really, cuz you're never really given the opportunity to hand Damian his ass on a silver platter. My willful suspension of disbelief stayed relatively intact up until the ending when the writers seemed to decide "screw it, we'll tie up all the plot holes in the conclusion and ship it as is," handing us a twist ending that makes no sense whatsoever simply for the sake of having a cliff hanger to leave us anticipating the series' conclusion. Hence why I've got an obvious axe to grind with Larian's writing staff, and anyone else who thinks the ending was reasonable.
No i dont agree with everything gamespot wrote.
I like both Divinity 2 and Dragon age: Origins so i hope to see more great games from both Larian and Bioware rpg001
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
[quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke]Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























No one is saying that DAO is the same game as lord of the rings ..read the freaking post carefully dude.

What many have said,and i agree is that the story is the same as lord of the rings,it's a blatant copy.

I don't know what old school RPG is? get real how the hell do you know what i think old school RPG is, i have played countless RPG.

Don't even try to tell me what RPG i have played,you haven't got a clue.DAO is boring ,it's shiny and dull, lacking any originality and depth.If DAO was like BG1 then yeah it would get more love from me but it isn't.

Go play Drakensang " The Dark Eye" then come back and tell me about "old school" rpg. That game is IMO better than DAO,it's only let down is the voice over but other than that it blitz DAO into the dirt.

It's skill system and crafting is ten times better because it's sandbox,you do know what sandbox is don't you.

It has a great story that makes DAO look like the unoriginal rip from Lord of the rings it is.

Like i said, DAO is a freaking movie that gets real boring and predictable after the first few hours,you know where it's going.

The world is a box and your typical BioWare push you along the pathway crab,it's got to be the most linear game they have made.

Even Drakensangs world is less linear by a long shot.

D2 story is miles ahead of DAO,it spits it out and leave people like you to pick it back up again.

All in all DAO is a flash one track pony that is old and lacking any real substance,it's like BioWare have got stuck in their ways and move away from what made them special in the first place.

These days ,if you play one BioWare game then you have played them all but in a different skin.

Now,as for me needing a doctor ,yes i do because i think DAO has nearly bored me to death.

Oh,i leave you to your flash movie where all pathways are blocked.

I like Europe and hate the US? is this some sort of political thread now?



ahh that is point
I guess your first RPG was Oblivion and now you think that every RPG should be sandbox
and that BioWare games are linear.Yes they are linear,but full of deatails,history,interesting characters,world,details,replability...and they are emotional,so you really feel something when you talk with companions.


So you didn't clock the BG1 bit then,you do know what that stands for,don't you?

Oblivion the actual game by it's self is not that good,flash graphics but lacking in many ways,scaling being one of them. It's the hard special work from the modders that have made that game a good RPG,without the mods it would be another lacking RPG in the same vain as DAO.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and just picking out bit's of my post that suit you,read what i am saying.Know one is arguing the detail BioWare have put into DAO or the fact you can repeat the same dull process as many times as you want.

I am not for a minute saying that BioWare are a crap dev team,that would be just dumb but they are seriously feeding us the same old stuff with different skins. I spent many a year playing NWN1 and many an evening smashing the crap out of BG1-2,they were or are epic games.

DAO is not so epic,yeah it looks good and a lot has gone into the game mechanics but it's still lacking that real RPG feel that Bioware used to have,now it's more like a freaking night at the movies.

They are emotional! lol, so you played with a box of tissue on your lap then.
I can sit here and say "hand on heart " i felt more emotion getting my dragon stone today and changing form than i did playing DAO for 60-70 hours.

My take..

I found the people's reactions in the world quite implausible. I mean, with the blight coming and all, you'd think people understood the importance of fighting together, but no, each side (humans, dwarves, elves, gee how original btw) has their petty bullshit that makes me basically go through a standard 3 level dungeon/temple/ruins and massacre everything inside, get the w/e quest item, go back to the main guy of the race, give him the item, slap his face around just so he can send me ZOMG 50 WHOLE TROOPS to fight the final battle. What a bunch of idiots.

The blight,as a main quest is actually far more terrible than anything else you'll encounter in the game, except maybe for the quests where you have to bring 15 items X (rat tails? don't remember/care). HOLY SHIT DUDE THE FREAKING BLIGHT IS COMING AND YOU WANT FREAKING RAT TAILS/MANA POTIONS/UNDEAD TESTICLES? By the way, this isn't the first blight and it isn't the last. This makes it even more generic and mundane. I mean, for dragon age 2, we will probably have to fight THE NEXT BLIGHT.

The game had a ridiculous amount of unnecessary fights that got tedious to the extreme. There is auto levelling, which makes item management and pimping out characters a waste of your time and effort. Especially considering the last fight can be won almost without your participation.

Most of the player characters are actually pretty predictable in what they say,which becomes intolerable after a few hours.

All in all,the game doesn't come close to the Baldur's Gate series, and it really doesn't feel like "spiritual successor" of anything to me. Didn't really feel like my choices affected anything in the game, except for the type of soldiers I got during the final battle. Gee, thanks. I guess.

The one thing I liked though, was the Fade world in the mage's tower. That had a BG-ish feel to it. Was probably the only original/fresh idea in the entire goddamn game.

So their you have it,my take on DAO but don't listen to me though,i am just a hack and slash junky who hate America. silence


[/quote]
Yes you are [/quote]

So far you haven't been able to counter what i am saying about DAO,why not give me a review on why you think i am wrong instead of one shot answers that are pointless.

All you have done is concentrate on me instead of the topic at hand,this shows that you have no answer and can't have a mature debate,you are making this to easy for me. thankyou

Anyway i am off to bed.. sleep [/quote]

Ok
D2 have a weak story and characters.I didn" find anything about them.Conversation with them is so limited and predictable.Only one part of story is good and that is ending which is suprising while DA:O have hundred of these moments.History is weak becaose only thing that I find is about Divine one and that is it.Enemies look sh*ty.I mean I didn"t know that dragon knight can have problems to kill damn ink,goblins.These are funny so only true enemies are black ring.Animations are bad if you ask me.Check this and see what people think CLICK.Music is failure when comparison to DA:O music.Grapich is only thing where D2 can win becaose BioWare want to create game that can be played on many PCs.Dragon form!!!Oh my god such big deal.First village and island are really good but Fords are stupid.They didn"t even create world there,only water and your dragon form to fly.But as you now dragon form is dissapointing becaose of restrictions.Battle tower has suprise me becaose I though It will be something bigger and better,but It was very limited.But as always this game only get + from me becaose of side quests.Here you are I completly agree with this. About DA:O being same as lord of rings here is what people think about it


Quote pyramids FTW.

"Music is failure when comparison to DA:O music."
Lol.
Originally Posted by virumor
Quote pyramids FTW.

"Music is failure when comparison to DA:O music."
Lol.

My favorite(especially from 1:57)
When Leliana sing in camp
Leliana sing
Dear roads
and this must be one of best idea I ever saw(This is new shit)
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg

Erm... worst facial animations ever.

Originally Posted by virumor
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg

Erm... worst facial animations ever.


Hahaahahahah
song is so good that you really don"t know what to tell except "Erm... worst facial animations ever"
The song is good, but the facial animations ruin the moment.

I like Dragon Age's theme song, but the rest I don't even notice during gameplay. Unlike with Divinity 2.
Originally Posted by virumor
The song is good, but the facial animations ruin the moment.

I like Dragon Age's theme song, but the rest I don't even notice during gameplay. Unlike with Divinity 2.

Blah I always notice every song.Hell I have them all in my head smile
Only good D2 song is "main theme"
That is reason why I am hoping that larian will get this so they can create this
Lmfao, this now turned into a DAO better than Divinity 2 thread No.2.
I suggest ignoring Raven.rpg, for he is too stubborn to see anything further than his nose. And don`t freaking doublepost you dumbass, how many times do we have to tell you?!

My take on the Gamespots review - Couldn`t care less. What matters is not what critics say, but what you think and believe of the game. Especially knowing that Gamespot, IGN and other most known game reviewer sites get paid to make better reviews, for our, current day, modern player only believes what critics say, not what he believes in.
Peace.
Originally Posted by DeviRyuuD
Lmfao, this now turned into a DAO better than Divinity 2 thread No.2.
I suggest ignoring Raven.rpg, for he is too stubborn to see anything further than his nose. And don`t freaking doublepost you dumbass, how many times do we have to tell you?!

My take on the Gamespots review - Couldn`t care less. What matters is not what critics say, but what you think and believe of the game. Especially knowing that Gamespot, IGN and other most known game reviewer sites get paid to make better reviews, for our, current day, modern player only believes what critics say, not what he believes in.
Peace.

I belive that BioWare has created another masterpiece.I buy game and I will buy expansion.But I guess that there will always be 1% of those who don"t like game.
That expansion is said to be 15 minutes long....
Originally Posted by DeviRyuuD
That expansion is said to be 15 minutes long....

15 hours,with two campaign and choises from original game It will be 45 hours(Longer than whole D2)
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
[quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke]Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























No one is saying that DAO is the same game as lord of the rings ..read the freaking post carefully dude.

What many have said,and i agree is that the story is the same as lord of the rings,it's a blatant copy.

I don't know what old school RPG is? get real how the hell do you know what i think old school RPG is, i have played countless RPG.

Don't even try to tell me what RPG i have played,you haven't got a clue.DAO is boring ,it's shiny and dull, lacking any originality and depth.If DAO was like BG1 then yeah it would get more love from me but it isn't.

Go play Drakensang " The Dark Eye" then come back and tell me about "old school" rpg. That game is IMO better than DAO,it's only let down is the voice over but other than that it blitz DAO into the dirt.

It's skill system and crafting is ten times better because it's sandbox,you do know what sandbox is don't you.

It has a great story that makes DAO look like the unoriginal rip from Lord of the rings it is.

Like i said, DAO is a freaking movie that gets real boring and predictable after the first few hours,you know where it's going.

The world is a box and your typical BioWare push you along the pathway crab,it's got to be the most linear game they have made.

Even Drakensangs world is less linear by a long shot.

D2 story is miles ahead of DAO,it spits it out and leave people like you to pick it back up again.

All in all DAO is a flash one track pony that is old and lacking any real substance,it's like BioWare have got stuck in their ways and move away from what made them special in the first place.

These days ,if you play one BioWare game then you have played them all but in a different skin.

Now,as for me needing a doctor ,yes i do because i think DAO has nearly bored me to death.

Oh,i leave you to your flash movie where all pathways are blocked.

I like Europe and hate the US? is this some sort of political thread now?



ahh that is point
I guess your first RPG was Oblivion and now you think that every RPG should be sandbox
and that BioWare games are linear.Yes they are linear,but full of deatails,history,interesting characters,world,details,replability...and they are emotional,so you really feel something when you talk with companions.


So you didn't clock the BG1 bit then,you do know what that stands for,don't you?

Oblivion the actual game by it's self is not that good,flash graphics but lacking in many ways,scaling being one of them. It's the hard special work from the modders that have made that game a good RPG,without the mods it would be another lacking RPG in the same vain as DAO.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and just picking out bit's of my post that suit you,read what i am saying.Know one is arguing the detail BioWare have put into DAO or the fact you can repeat the same dull process as many times as you want.

I am not for a minute saying that BioWare are a crap dev team,that would be just dumb but they are seriously feeding us the same old stuff with different skins. I spent many a year playing NWN1 and many an evening smashing the crap out of BG1-2,they were or are epic games.

DAO is not so epic,yeah it looks good and a lot has gone into the game mechanics but it's still lacking that real RPG feel that Bioware used to have,now it's more like a freaking night at the movies.

They are emotional! lol, so you played with a box of tissue on your lap then.
I can sit here and say "hand on heart " i felt more emotion getting my dragon stone today and changing form than i did playing DAO for 60-70 hours.

My take..

I found the people's reactions in the world quite implausible. I mean, with the blight coming and all, you'd think people understood the importance of fighting together, but no, each side (humans, dwarves, elves, gee how original btw) has their petty bullshit that makes me basically go through a standard 3 level dungeon/temple/ruins and massacre everything inside, get the w/e quest item, go back to the main guy of the race, give him the item, slap his face around just so he can send me ZOMG 50 WHOLE TROOPS to fight the final battle. What a bunch of idiots.

The blight,as a main quest is actually far more terrible than anything else you'll encounter in the game, except maybe for the quests where you have to bring 15 items X (rat tails? don't remember/care). HOLY SHIT DUDE THE FREAKING BLIGHT IS COMING AND YOU WANT FREAKING RAT TAILS/MANA POTIONS/UNDEAD TESTICLES? By the way, this isn't the first blight and it isn't the last. This makes it even more generic and mundane. I mean, for dragon age 2, we will probably have to fight THE NEXT BLIGHT.

The game had a ridiculous amount of unnecessary fights that got tedious to the extreme. There is auto levelling, which makes item management and pimping out characters a waste of your time and effort. Especially considering the last fight can be won almost without your participation.

Most of the player characters are actually pretty predictable in what they say,which becomes intolerable after a few hours.

All in all,the game doesn't come close to the Baldur's Gate series, and it really doesn't feel like "spiritual successor" of anything to me. Didn't really feel like my choices affected anything in the game, except for the type of soldiers I got during the final battle. Gee, thanks. I guess.

The one thing I liked though, was the Fade world in the mage's tower. That had a BG-ish feel to it. Was probably the only original/fresh idea in the entire goddamn game.

So their you have it,my take on DAO but don't listen to me though,i am just a hack and slash junky who hate America. silence


[/quote]
Yes you are [/quote]

So far you haven't been able to counter what i am saying about DAO,why not give me a review on why you think i am wrong instead of one shot answers that are pointless.

All you have done is concentrate on me instead of the topic at hand,this shows that you have no answer and can't have a mature debate,you are making this to easy for me. thankyou

Anyway i am off to bed.. sleep [/quote]

Ok
D2 have a weak story and characters.I didn" find anything about them.Conversation with them is so limited and predictable.Only one part of story is good and that is ending which is suprising while DA:O have hundred of these moments.History is weak becaose only thing that I find is about Divine one and that is it.Enemies look sh*ty.I mean I didn"t know that dragon knight can have problems to kill damn ink,goblins.These are funny so only true enemies are black ring.Animations are bad if you ask me.Check this and see what people think CLICK.Music is failure when comparison to DA:O music.Grapich is only thing where D2 can win becaose BioWare want to create game that can be played on many PCs.Dragon form!!!Oh my god such big deal.First village and island are really good but Fords are stupid.They didn"t even create world there,only water and your dragon form to fly.But as you now dragon form is dissapointing becaose of restrictions.Battle tower has suprise me becaose I though It will be something bigger and better,but It was very limited.But as always this game only get + from me becaose of side quests.Here you are I completly agree with this. About DA:O being same as lord of rings here is what people think about it


[/quote]

Right ,i am at work so i can't go on for to long. laugh

That's better at least you are actually explaining why you think DAO deserves the praise it's getting.Unfortunately i do not agree with you,along with many other people that have played the game. We are never going to agree and that's good because if we all though the same ,debating would be boring.

Let's just say that D2 could do with a few improvements but DAO could do with a whole make over in my opinion.

Let's see what the expansion brings,perhaps they will take in account players concerns and actually make a game that deserves the over the top ratings.

Their is not much else i can say about the game,i have given my reasons and a mini review on why i think it's lacking in many ways. Don't think for one minute that it's a personal thing against American dev teams,it's not.

The longest game i ever played was from American,i played it for six years.That game gave me some of the best moments i have had in any game i have ever played.

EQ1 vet in the house. laugh
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
[quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke]Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























No one is saying that DAO is the same game as lord of the rings ..read the freaking post carefully dude.

What many have said,and i agree is that the story is the same as lord of the rings,it's a blatant copy.

I don't know what old school RPG is? get real how the hell do you know what i think old school RPG is, i have played countless RPG.

Don't even try to tell me what RPG i have played,you haven't got a clue.DAO is boring ,it's shiny and dull, lacking any originality and depth.If DAO was like BG1 then yeah it would get more love from me but it isn't.

Go play Drakensang " The Dark Eye" then come back and tell me about "old school" rpg. That game is IMO better than DAO,it's only let down is the voice over but other than that it blitz DAO into the dirt.

It's skill system and crafting is ten times better because it's sandbox,you do know what sandbox is don't you.

It has a great story that makes DAO look like the unoriginal rip from Lord of the rings it is.

Like i said, DAO is a freaking movie that gets real boring and predictable after the first few hours,you know where it's going.

The world is a box and your typical BioWare push you along the pathway crab,it's got to be the most linear game they have made.

Even Drakensangs world is less linear by a long shot.

D2 story is miles ahead of DAO,it spits it out and leave people like you to pick it back up again.

All in all DAO is a flash one track pony that is old and lacking any real substance,it's like BioWare have got stuck in their ways and move away from what made them special in the first place.

These days ,if you play one BioWare game then you have played them all but in a different skin.

Now,as for me needing a doctor ,yes i do because i think DAO has nearly bored me to death.

Oh,i leave you to your flash movie where all pathways are blocked.

I like Europe and hate the US? is this some sort of political thread now?



ahh that is point
I guess your first RPG was Oblivion and now you think that every RPG should be sandbox
and that BioWare games are linear.Yes they are linear,but full of deatails,history,interesting characters,world,details,replability...and they are emotional,so you really feel something when you talk with companions.


So you didn't clock the BG1 bit then,you do know what that stands for,don't you?

Oblivion the actual game by it's self is not that good,flash graphics but lacking in many ways,scaling being one of them. It's the hard special work from the modders that have made that game a good RPG,without the mods it would be another lacking RPG in the same vain as DAO.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and just picking out bit's of my post that suit you,read what i am saying.Know one is arguing the detail BioWare have put into DAO or the fact you can repeat the same dull process as many times as you want.

I am not for a minute saying that BioWare are a crap dev team,that would be just dumb but they are seriously feeding us the same old stuff with different skins. I spent many a year playing NWN1 and many an evening smashing the crap out of BG1-2,they were or are epic games.

DAO is not so epic,yeah it looks good and a lot has gone into the game mechanics but it's still lacking that real RPG feel that Bioware used to have,now it's more like a freaking night at the movies.

They are emotional! lol, so you played with a box of tissue on your lap then.
I can sit here and say "hand on heart " i felt more emotion getting my dragon stone today and changing form than i did playing DAO for 60-70 hours.

My take..

I found the people's reactions in the world quite implausible. I mean, with the blight coming and all, you'd think people understood the importance of fighting together, but no, each side (humans, dwarves, elves, gee how original btw) has their petty bullshit that makes me basically go through a standard 3 level dungeon/temple/ruins and massacre everything inside, get the w/e quest item, go back to the main guy of the race, give him the item, slap his face around just so he can send me ZOMG 50 WHOLE TROOPS to fight the final battle. What a bunch of idiots.

The blight,as a main quest is actually far more terrible than anything else you'll encounter in the game, except maybe for the quests where you have to bring 15 items X (rat tails? don't remember/care). HOLY SHIT DUDE THE FREAKING BLIGHT IS COMING AND YOU WANT FREAKING RAT TAILS/MANA POTIONS/UNDEAD TESTICLES? By the way, this isn't the first blight and it isn't the last. This makes it even more generic and mundane. I mean, for dragon age 2, we will probably have to fight THE NEXT BLIGHT.

The game had a ridiculous amount of unnecessary fights that got tedious to the extreme. There is auto levelling, which makes item management and pimping out characters a waste of your time and effort. Especially considering the last fight can be won almost without your participation.

Most of the player characters are actually pretty predictable in what they say,which becomes intolerable after a few hours.

All in all,the game doesn't come close to the Baldur's Gate series, and it really doesn't feel like "spiritual successor" of anything to me. Didn't really feel like my choices affected anything in the game, except for the type of soldiers I got during the final battle. Gee, thanks. I guess.

The one thing I liked though, was the Fade world in the mage's tower. That had a BG-ish feel to it. Was probably the only original/fresh idea in the entire goddamn game.

So their you have it,my take on DAO but don't listen to me though,i am just a hack and slash junky who hate America. silence


[/quote]
Yes you are [/quote]

So far you haven't been able to counter what i am saying about DAO,why not give me a review on why you think i am wrong instead of one shot answers that are pointless.

All you have done is concentrate on me instead of the topic at hand,this shows that you have no answer and can't have a mature debate,you are making this to easy for me. thankyou

Anyway i am off to bed.. sleep [/quote]

Ok
D2 have a weak story and characters.I didn" find anything about them.Conversation with them is so limited and predictable.Only one part of story is good and that is ending which is suprising while DA:O have hundred of these moments.History is weak becaose only thing that I find is about Divine one and that is it.Enemies look sh*ty.I mean I didn"t know that dragon knight can have problems to kill damn ink,goblins.These are funny so only true enemies are black ring.Animations are bad if you ask me.Check this and see what people think CLICK.Music is failure when comparison to DA:O music.Grapich is only thing where D2 can win becaose BioWare want to create game that can be played on many PCs.Dragon form!!!Oh my god such big deal.First village and island are really good but Fords are stupid.They didn"t even create world there,only water and your dragon form to fly.But as you now dragon form is dissapointing becaose of restrictions.Battle tower has suprise me becaose I though It will be something bigger and better,but It was very limited.But as always this game only get + from me becaose of side quests.Here you are I completly agree with this. About DA:O being same as lord of rings here is what people think about it


[/quote]

Right ,i am at work so i can't go on for to long. laugh

That's better at least you are actually explaining why you think DAO deserves the praise it's getting.Unfortunately i do not agree with you,along with many other people that have played the game. We are never going to agree and that's good because if we all though the same ,debating would be boring.

Let's just say that D2 could do with a few improvements but DAO could do with a whole make over in my opinion.

Let's see what the expansion brings,perhaps they will take in account players concerns and actually make a game that deserves the over the top ratings.

Their is not much else i can say about the game,i have given my reason and a mini review on why i think it's lacking in many ways. Don't think for one minute though that it's a personal thing against American dev teams.

The longest game i ever played was from American,i played it for six years.That game gave me some of the best moments i have had in any game i have ever played.

EQ1 vet in the house. laugh [/quote]

Ooooo
You give up
Shame yourself
I thought that this will be debate of centuary
but OK.I win
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
[quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke]Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























No one is saying that DAO is the same game as lord of the rings ..read the freaking post carefully dude.

What many have said,and i agree is that the story is the same as lord of the rings,it's a blatant copy.

I don't know what old school RPG is? get real how the hell do you know what i think old school RPG is, i have played countless RPG.

Don't even try to tell me what RPG i have played,you haven't got a clue.DAO is boring ,it's shiny and dull, lacking any originality and depth.If DAO was like BG1 then yeah it would get more love from me but it isn't.

Go play Drakensang " The Dark Eye" then come back and tell me about "old school" rpg. That game is IMO better than DAO,it's only let down is the voice over but other than that it blitz DAO into the dirt.

It's skill system and crafting is ten times better because it's sandbox,you do know what sandbox is don't you.

It has a great story that makes DAO look like the unoriginal rip from Lord of the rings it is.

Like i said, DAO is a freaking movie that gets real boring and predictable after the first few hours,you know where it's going.

The world is a box and your typical BioWare push you along the pathway crab,it's got to be the most linear game they have made.

Even Drakensangs world is less linear by a long shot.

D2 story is miles ahead of DAO,it spits it out and leave people like you to pick it back up again.

All in all DAO is a flash one track pony that is old and lacking any real substance,it's like BioWare have got stuck in their ways and move away from what made them special in the first place.

These days ,if you play one BioWare game then you have played them all but in a different skin.

Now,as for me needing a doctor ,yes i do because i think DAO has nearly bored me to death.

Oh,i leave you to your flash movie where all pathways are blocked.

I like Europe and hate the US? is this some sort of political thread now?



ahh that is point
I guess your first RPG was Oblivion and now you think that every RPG should be sandbox
and that BioWare games are linear.Yes they are linear,but full of deatails,history,interesting characters,world,details,replability...and they are emotional,so you really feel something when you talk with companions.


So you didn't clock the BG1 bit then,you do know what that stands for,don't you?

Oblivion the actual game by it's self is not that good,flash graphics but lacking in many ways,scaling being one of them. It's the hard special work from the modders that have made that game a good RPG,without the mods it would be another lacking RPG in the same vain as DAO.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and just picking out bit's of my post that suit you,read what i am saying.Know one is arguing the detail BioWare have put into DAO or the fact you can repeat the same dull process as many times as you want.

I am not for a minute saying that BioWare are a crap dev team,that would be just dumb but they are seriously feeding us the same old stuff with different skins. I spent many a year playing NWN1 and many an evening smashing the crap out of BG1-2,they were or are epic games.

DAO is not so epic,yeah it looks good and a lot has gone into the game mechanics but it's still lacking that real RPG feel that Bioware used to have,now it's more like a freaking night at the movies.

They are emotional! lol, so you played with a box of tissue on your lap then.
I can sit here and say "hand on heart " i felt more emotion getting my dragon stone today and changing form than i did playing DAO for 60-70 hours.

My take..

I found the people's reactions in the world quite implausible. I mean, with the blight coming and all, you'd think people understood the importance of fighting together, but no, each side (humans, dwarves, elves, gee how original btw) has their petty bullshit that makes me basically go through a standard 3 level dungeon/temple/ruins and massacre everything inside, get the w/e quest item, go back to the main guy of the race, give him the item, slap his face around just so he can send me ZOMG 50 WHOLE TROOPS to fight the final battle. What a bunch of idiots.

The blight,as a main quest is actually far more terrible than anything else you'll encounter in the game, except maybe for the quests where you have to bring 15 items X (rat tails? don't remember/care). HOLY SHIT DUDE THE FREAKING BLIGHT IS COMING AND YOU WANT FREAKING RAT TAILS/MANA POTIONS/UNDEAD TESTICLES? By the way, this isn't the first blight and it isn't the last. This makes it even more generic and mundane. I mean, for dragon age 2, we will probably have to fight THE NEXT BLIGHT.

The game had a ridiculous amount of unnecessary fights that got tedious to the extreme. There is auto levelling, which makes item management and pimping out characters a waste of your time and effort. Especially considering the last fight can be won almost without your participation.

Most of the player characters are actually pretty predictable in what they say,which becomes intolerable after a few hours.

All in all,the game doesn't come close to the Baldur's Gate series, and it really doesn't feel like "spiritual successor" of anything to me. Didn't really feel like my choices affected anything in the game, except for the type of soldiers I got during the final battle. Gee, thanks. I guess.

The one thing I liked though, was the Fade world in the mage's tower. That had a BG-ish feel to it. Was probably the only original/fresh idea in the entire goddamn game.

So their you have it,my take on DAO but don't listen to me though,i am just a hack and slash junky who hate America. silence


[/quote]
Yes you are [/quote]

So far you haven't been able to counter what i am saying about DAO,why not give me a review on why you think i am wrong instead of one shot answers that are pointless.

All you have done is concentrate on me instead of the topic at hand,this shows that you have no answer and can't have a mature debate,you are making this to easy for me. thankyou

Anyway i am off to bed.. sleep [/quote]

Ok
D2 have a weak story and characters.I didn" find anything about them.Conversation with them is so limited and predictable.Only one part of story is good and that is ending which is suprising while DA:O have hundred of these moments.History is weak becaose only thing that I find is about Divine one and that is it.Enemies look sh*ty.I mean I didn"t know that dragon knight can have problems to kill damn ink,goblins.These are funny so only true enemies are black ring.Animations are bad if you ask me.Check this and see what people think CLICK.Music is failure when comparison to DA:O music.Grapich is only thing where D2 can win becaose BioWare want to create game that can be played on many PCs.Dragon form!!!Oh my god such big deal.First village and island are really good but Fords are stupid.They didn"t even create world there,only water and your dragon form to fly.But as you now dragon form is dissapointing becaose of restrictions.Battle tower has suprise me becaose I though It will be something bigger and better,but It was very limited.But as always this game only get + from me becaose of side quests.Here you are I completly agree with this. About DA:O being same as lord of rings here is what people think about it


[/quote]

Right ,i am at work so i can't go on for to long. laugh

That's better at least you are actually explaining why you think DAO deserves the praise it's getting.Unfortunately i do not agree with you,along with many other people that have played the game. We are never going to agree and that's good because if we all though the same ,debating would be boring.

Let's just say that D2 could do with a few improvements but DAO could do with a whole make over in my opinion.

Let's see what the expansion brings,perhaps they will take in account players concerns and actually make a game that deserves the over the top ratings.

Their is not much else i can say about the game,i have given my reason and a mini review on why i think it's lacking in many ways. Don't think for one minute though that it's a personal thing against American dev teams.

The longest game i ever played was from American,i played it for six years.That game gave me some of the best moments i have had in any game i have ever played.

EQ1 vet in the house. laugh [/quote]

Ooooo
You give up
Shame yourself
I thought that this will be debate of centuary
but OK.I win [/quote]

Funny, while you were concentrating on me yesterday, i was giving you my reasons and a review,what's to win?

Just when i think you are mature enough to debate you go and put your foot in it. aargh

Nothing you have said has convinced me otherwise as a matter of fact you are a minority in this thread,so if we go by that it looks like you have lost. thankyou

I won this debate from the first time you accused me of being a hack and slash anti American,i didn't respond i just gave you my reason why DAO is over hyped.

Now, if their is anything else you like to debate then give me a shout ,ill be happy to educate you.

Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
[quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke]Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























No one is saying that DAO is the same game as lord of the rings ..read the freaking post carefully dude.

What many have said,and i agree is that the story is the same as lord of the rings,it's a blatant copy.

I don't know what old school RPG is? get real how the hell do you know what i think old school RPG is, i have played countless RPG.

Don't even try to tell me what RPG i have played,you haven't got a clue.DAO is boring ,it's shiny and dull, lacking any originality and depth.If DAO was like BG1 then yeah it would get more love from me but it isn't.

Go play Drakensang " The Dark Eye" then come back and tell me about "old school" rpg. That game is IMO better than DAO,it's only let down is the voice over but other than that it blitz DAO into the dirt.

It's skill system and crafting is ten times better because it's sandbox,you do know what sandbox is don't you.

It has a great story that makes DAO look like the unoriginal rip from Lord of the rings it is.

Like i said, DAO is a freaking movie that gets real boring and predictable after the first few hours,you know where it's going.

The world is a box and your typical BioWare push you along the pathway crab,it's got to be the most linear game they have made.

Even Drakensangs world is less linear by a long shot.

D2 story is miles ahead of DAO,it spits it out and leave people like you to pick it back up again.

All in all DAO is a flash one track pony that is old and lacking any real substance,it's like BioWare have got stuck in their ways and move away from what made them special in the first place.

These days ,if you play one BioWare game then you have played them all but in a different skin.

Now,as for me needing a doctor ,yes i do because i think DAO has nearly bored me to death.

Oh,i leave you to your flash movie where all pathways are blocked.

I like Europe and hate the US? is this some sort of political thread now?



ahh that is point
I guess your first RPG was Oblivion and now you think that every RPG should be sandbox
and that BioWare games are linear.Yes they are linear,but full of deatails,history,interesting characters,world,details,replability...and they are emotional,so you really feel something when you talk with companions.


So you didn't clock the BG1 bit then,you do know what that stands for,don't you?

Oblivion the actual game by it's self is not that good,flash graphics but lacking in many ways,scaling being one of them. It's the hard special work from the modders that have made that game a good RPG,without the mods it would be another lacking RPG in the same vain as DAO.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and just picking out bit's of my post that suit you,read what i am saying.Know one is arguing the detail BioWare have put into DAO or the fact you can repeat the same dull process as many times as you want.

I am not for a minute saying that BioWare are a crap dev team,that would be just dumb but they are seriously feeding us the same old stuff with different skins. I spent many a year playing NWN1 and many an evening smashing the crap out of BG1-2,they were or are epic games.

DAO is not so epic,yeah it looks good and a lot has gone into the game mechanics but it's still lacking that real RPG feel that Bioware used to have,now it's more like a freaking night at the movies.

They are emotional! lol, so you played with a box of tissue on your lap then.
I can sit here and say "hand on heart " i felt more emotion getting my dragon stone today and changing form than i did playing DAO for 60-70 hours.

My take..

I found the people's reactions in the world quite implausible. I mean, with the blight coming and all, you'd think people understood the importance of fighting together, but no, each side (humans, dwarves, elves, gee how original btw) has their petty bullshit that makes me basically go through a standard 3 level dungeon/temple/ruins and massacre everything inside, get the w/e quest item, go back to the main guy of the race, give him the item, slap his face around just so he can send me ZOMG 50 WHOLE TROOPS to fight the final battle. What a bunch of idiots.

The blight,as a main quest is actually far more terrible than anything else you'll encounter in the game, except maybe for the quests where you have to bring 15 items X (rat tails? don't remember/care). HOLY SHIT DUDE THE FREAKING BLIGHT IS COMING AND YOU WANT FREAKING RAT TAILS/MANA POTIONS/UNDEAD TESTICLES? By the way, this isn't the first blight and it isn't the last. This makes it even more generic and mundane. I mean, for dragon age 2, we will probably have to fight THE NEXT BLIGHT.

The game had a ridiculous amount of unnecessary fights that got tedious to the extreme. There is auto levelling, which makes item management and pimping out characters a waste of your time and effort. Especially considering the last fight can be won almost without your participation.

Most of the player characters are actually pretty predictable in what they say,which becomes intolerable after a few hours.

All in all,the game doesn't come close to the Baldur's Gate series, and it really doesn't feel like "spiritual successor" of anything to me. Didn't really feel like my choices affected anything in the game, except for the type of soldiers I got during the final battle. Gee, thanks. I guess.

The one thing I liked though, was the Fade world in the mage's tower. That had a BG-ish feel to it. Was probably the only original/fresh idea in the entire goddamn game.

So their you have it,my take on DAO but don't listen to me though,i am just a hack and slash junky who hate America. silence


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Yes you are [/quote]

So far you haven't been able to counter what i am saying about DAO,why not give me a review on why you think i am wrong instead of one shot answers that are pointless.

All you have done is concentrate on me instead of the topic at hand,this shows that you have no answer and can't have a mature debate,you are making this to easy for me. thankyou

Anyway i am off to bed.. sleep [/quote]

Ok
D2 have a weak story and characters.I didn" find anything about them.Conversation with them is so limited and predictable.Only one part of story is good and that is ending which is suprising while DA:O have hundred of these moments.History is weak becaose only thing that I find is about Divine one and that is it.Enemies look sh*ty.I mean I didn"t know that dragon knight can have problems to kill damn ink,goblins.These are funny so only true enemies are black ring.Animations are bad if you ask me.Check this and see what people think CLICK.Music is failure when comparison to DA:O music.Grapich is only thing where D2 can win becaose BioWare want to create game that can be played on many PCs.Dragon form!!!Oh my god such big deal.First village and island are really good but Fords are stupid.They didn"t even create world there,only water and your dragon form to fly.But as you now dragon form is dissapointing becaose of restrictions.Battle tower has suprise me becaose I though It will be something bigger and better,but It was very limited.But as always this game only get + from me becaose of side quests.Here you are I completly agree with this. About DA:O being same as lord of rings here is what people think about it


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Right ,i am at work so i can't go on for to long. laugh

That's better at least you are actually explaining why you think DAO deserves the praise it's getting.Unfortunately i do not agree with you,along with many other people that have played the game. We are never going to agree and that's good because if we all though the same ,debating would be boring.

Let's just say that D2 could do with a few improvements but DAO could do with a whole make over in my opinion.

Let's see what the expansion brings,perhaps they will take in account players concerns and actually make a game that deserves the over the top ratings.

Their is not much else i can say about the game,i have given my reason and a mini review on why i think it's lacking in many ways. Don't think for one minute though that it's a personal thing against American dev teams.

The longest game i ever played was from American,i played it for six years.That game gave me some of the best moments i have had in any game i have ever played.

EQ1 vet in the house. laugh [/quote]

Ooooo
You give up
Shame yourself
I thought that this will be debate of centuary
but OK.I win [/quote]

Funny, while you were concentrating on me yesterday, i was giving you my reasons and a review,what's to win?

Just when i think you are mature enough to debate you go and put your foot in it. aargh

Nothing you have said has convinced me otherwise as a matter of fact you are a minority in this thread,so if we go by that it looks like you have lost. thankyou

I won this debate from the first time you accused me of being a hack and slash anti American,i didn't respond i just gave you my reason why DAO is over hyped.

Now, if their is anything else you like to debate then give me a shout ,ill be happy to educate you.

[/quote]

Don"t have to
I win
Its simple,I give you enough content to shown oyu what people and I think about your acusation that DA:O is not good RPG.But I won"t fight anymore for two different games








Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Raven.rpg
Originally Posted by Ineluke
[quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke][quote=Raven.rpg][quote=Ineluke]Personally ,even if this game was perfect they would find something wrong,it's not American or Canadian.

I think they can keep their RPG and we will keep ours,Larian have much support in Europe and perhaps even Asia.

How anyone can say that this story is not better than that "Lord Of The Rings" blatant copy by BioWare,i don't know.

Don't get me wrong DAO is a bit more Polished but it's static unimaginative and damn right boring,yes i said boring. It's your typical linear stuff that BioWare like to churn out to their fanbase.

I have both games and i have played through DAO 1-1/2 times now just to see if i a missing something with all these top reviews it's getting.

BioWare have lost their way ,fame, rep and to much money have clouded their vision,they no longer have that RPG feel. What we have now is an over the top extended movie where most of the time is spent staring at lifeless pixels that spout constant dribble,no thanks ill stick with a RPG that has soul.

Now, i don't mind a good story but come on,it's constant stand still and unoriginal. Why copy the lord of the rings,think of your own theme BioWare.

This year we European are in for some treats..

We have Arcarnia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vSr4R_DyA&feature=related

We have The Witcher Assassin Of Kings.. the witcher EE was a master piece ,yet again didn't get the respect it deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciyoGmnGyo

We also have rumours of the 40 hour add on for Drakensang Dark Eye..

Now, yes these games will be release everywhere but i say let em keep DAO.

As a Europeans we should support all European dev teams that make great games,after all we in Europe know what fantasy is all about and medieval type RPG,we know what a real castle looks like.

This is just my opinion of course.

Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story..

No i don't agree with that review.


I am from europe and I say GO BIOWARE and GO LARIAN

I hope that larian will get rich,so they can create better Divinity 3.

and why everyone is saying that DA:O is copy of of lord of rings.
They are completly different.



"Dragon Age Origins= all flash and no dash... eek

D2= imaginative=fun and great story.."= you should visit doctor




If you think that DA:O is boring you really don"t know what is old-school classical RPG.
But I can"t blame you.I understand that you like hack"n slash more.



OK YOU LIKE EUROPE AND HATE USA.We get it


and I am gonna buy Gothic and Witcher to support our devs but I am still BioWare fan.and Drakensang is good game but boring.Weak story and characters in your party don"t have any personality or past.





























No one is saying that DAO is the same game as lord of the rings ..read the freaking post carefully dude.

What many have said,and i agree is that the story is the same as lord of the rings,it's a blatant copy.

I don't know what old school RPG is? get real how the hell do you know what i think old school RPG is, i have played countless RPG.

Don't even try to tell me what RPG i have played,you haven't got a clue.DAO is boring ,it's shiny and dull, lacking any originality and depth.If DAO was like BG1 then yeah it would get more love from me but it isn't.

Go play Drakensang " The Dark Eye" then come back and tell me about "old school" rpg. That game is IMO better than DAO,it's only let down is the voice over but other than that it blitz DAO into the dirt.

It's skill system and crafting is ten times better because it's sandbox,you do know what sandbox is don't you.

It has a great story that makes DAO look like the unoriginal rip from Lord of the rings it is.

Like i said, DAO is a freaking movie that gets real boring and predictable after the first few hours,you know where it's going.

The world is a box and your typical BioWare push you along the pathway crab,it's got to be the most linear game they have made.

Even Drakensangs world is less linear by a long shot.

D2 story is miles ahead of DAO,it spits it out and leave people like you to pick it back up again.

All in all DAO is a flash one track pony that is old and lacking any real substance,it's like BioWare have got stuck in their ways and move away from what made them special in the first place.

These days ,if you play one BioWare game then you have played them all but in a different skin.

Now,as for me needing a doctor ,yes i do because i think DAO has nearly bored me to death.

Oh,i leave you to your flash movie where all pathways are blocked.

I like Europe and hate the US? is this some sort of political thread now?



ahh that is point
I guess your first RPG was Oblivion and now you think that every RPG should be sandbox
and that BioWare games are linear.Yes they are linear,but full of deatails,history,interesting characters,world,details,replability...and they are emotional,so you really feel something when you talk with companions.


So you didn't clock the BG1 bit then,you do know what that stands for,don't you?

Oblivion the actual game by it's self is not that good,flash graphics but lacking in many ways,scaling being one of them. It's the hard special work from the modders that have made that game a good RPG,without the mods it would be another lacking RPG in the same vain as DAO.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and just picking out bit's of my post that suit you,read what i am saying.Know one is arguing the detail BioWare have put into DAO or the fact you can repeat the same dull process as many times as you want.

I am not for a minute saying that BioWare are a crap dev team,that would be just dumb but they are seriously feeding us the same old stuff with different skins. I spent many a year playing NWN1 and many an evening smashing the crap out of BG1-2,they were or are epic games.

DAO is not so epic,yeah it looks good and a lot has gone into the game mechanics but it's still lacking that real RPG feel that Bioware used to have,now it's more like a freaking night at the movies.

They are emotional! lol, so you played with a box of tissue on your lap then.
I can sit here and say "hand on heart " i felt more emotion getting my dragon stone today and changing form than i did playing DAO for 60-70 hours.

My take..

I found the people's reactions in the world quite implausible. I mean, with the blight coming and all, you'd think people understood the importance of fighting together, but no, each side (humans, dwarves, elves, gee how original btw) has their petty bullshit that makes me basically go through a standard 3 level dungeon/temple/ruins and massacre everything inside, get the w/e quest item, go back to the main guy of the race, give him the item, slap his face around just so he can send me ZOMG 50 WHOLE TROOPS to fight the final battle. What a bunch of idiots.

The blight,as a main quest is actually far more terrible than anything else you'll encounter in the game, except maybe for the quests where you have to bring 15 items X (rat tails? don't remember/care). HOLY SHIT DUDE THE FREAKING BLIGHT IS COMING AND YOU WANT FREAKING RAT TAILS/MANA POTIONS/UNDEAD TESTICLES? By the way, this isn't the first blight and it isn't the last. This makes it even more generic and mundane. I mean, for dragon age 2, we will probably have to fight THE NEXT BLIGHT.

The game had a ridiculous amount of unnecessary fights that got tedious to the extreme. There is auto levelling, which makes item management and pimping out characters a waste of your time and effort. Especially considering the last fight can be won almost without your participation.

Most of the player characters are actually pretty predictable in what they say,which becomes intolerable after a few hours.

All in all,the game doesn't come close to the Baldur's Gate series, and it really doesn't feel like "spiritual successor" of anything to me. Didn't really feel like my choices affected anything in the game, except for the type of soldiers I got during the final battle. Gee, thanks. I guess.

The one thing I liked though, was the Fade world in the mage's tower. That had a BG-ish feel to it. Was probably the only original/fresh idea in the entire goddamn game.

So their you have it,my take on DAO but don't listen to me though,i am just a hack and slash junky who hate America. silence


[/quote]
Yes you are [/quote]

So far you haven't been able to counter what i am saying about DAO,why not give me a review on why you think i am wrong instead of one shot answers that are pointless.

All you have done is concentrate on me instead of the topic at hand,this shows that you have no answer and can't have a mature debate,you are making this to easy for me. thankyou

Anyway i am off to bed.. sleep [/quote]

Ok
D2 have a weak story and characters.I didn" find anything about them.Conversation with them is so limited and predictable.Only one part of story is good and that is ending which is suprising while DA:O have hundred of these moments.History is weak becaose only thing that I find is about Divine one and that is it.Enemies look sh*ty.I mean I didn"t know that dragon knight can have problems to kill damn ink,goblins.These are funny so only true enemies are black ring.Animations are bad if you ask me.Check this and see what people think CLICK.Music is failure when comparison to DA:O music.Grapich is only thing where D2 can win becaose BioWare want to create game that can be played on many PCs.Dragon form!!!Oh my god such big deal.First village and island are really good but Fords are stupid.They didn"t even create world there,only water and your dragon form to fly.But as you now dragon form is dissapointing becaose of restrictions.Battle tower has suprise me becaose I though It will be something bigger and better,but It was very limited.But as always this game only get + from me becaose of side quests.Here you are I completly agree with this. About DA:O being same as lord of rings here is what people think about it


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Right ,i am at work so i can't go on for to long. laugh

That's better at least you are actually explaining why you think DAO deserves the praise it's getting.Unfortunately i do not agree with you,along with many other people that have played the game. We are never going to agree and that's good because if we all though the same ,debating would be boring.

Let's just say that D2 could do with a few improvements but DAO could do with a whole make over in my opinion.

Let's see what the expansion brings,perhaps they will take in account players concerns and actually make a game that deserves the over the top ratings.

Their is not much else i can say about the game,i have given my reason and a mini review on why i think it's lacking in many ways. Don't think for one minute though that it's a personal thing against American dev teams.

The longest game i ever played was from American,i played it for six years.That game gave me some of the best moments i have had in any game i have ever played.

EQ1 vet in the house. laugh [/quote]

Ooooo
You give up
Shame yourself
I thought that this will be debate of centuary
but OK.I win [/quote]

Funny, while you were concentrating on me yesterday, i was giving you my reasons and a review,what's to win?

Just when i think you are mature enough to debate you go and put your foot in it. aargh

Nothing you have said has convinced me otherwise as a matter of fact you are a minority in this thread,so if we go by that it looks like you have lost. thankyou

I won this debate from the first time you accused me of being a hack and slash anti American,i didn't respond i just gave you my reason why DAO is over hyped.

Now, if their is anything else you like to debate then give me a shout ,ill be happy to educate you.

[/quote]

Don"t have to
I win
Its simple,I give you enough content to shown oyu what people and I think about your acusation that DA:O is not good RPG.But I won"t fight anymore for two different games


So you admit that you`ve lost.
Finally.

Edit, restrain from making such huge quote pyramids, edit them.
Fight! have you got a bloody nose or something,did i miss a fight?

In a fight blows are landed,i can't say i have been hit with anything or have any bruises.

Like i said, i won yesterday, today is just the prize ceremony,glad you could attend my crowning moment. thankyou
Originally Posted by DeviRyuuD

Edit, restrain from making such huge quote pyramids, edit them.


Indeed! badsmile

I do not wish to look at the quoted words and also reading in no way!

@Raven.rpg and Ineluke : ... Is there something we can win? A beautiful big prize or something? think
what a quote fest jesu christ reneder topic unreadable

dao vs d2
dao 10
d2 7.5

easy dao is better in any way but that dont make d2 bad

the whole think should be
risen vs d2
this 2 games can be compare not dao vs d2 cuz simply dao is 5 times bigger more complex etc and most importand dao is team based with rly fun party members when d2 is more action adventure rpg
like gothics or risen .
so d2 vs risen d2 wins mostly cuz risen is even shorte and half of skills are useless like whole no damage spells etc .
Originally Posted by marcusdavidus
what a quote fest jesu christ reneder topic unreadable

dao vs d2
dao 10
d2 7.5

easy dao is better in any way but that dont make d2 bad

the whole think should be
risen vs d2
this 2 games can be compare not dao vs d2 cuz simply dao is 5 times bigger more complex etc and most importand dao is team based with rly fun party members when d2 is more action adventure rpg
like gothics or risen .
so d2 vs risen d2 wins mostly cuz risen is even shorte and half of skills are useless like whole no damage spells etc .

There was Fireball/Ice/Magic bullet.

Problem with Risen was that game became easy mode once you got Level 10 Fireball or Ice. Melee was very weak compared to magic & ranged.

Also, similar to Divinity 2 ending chapters were 100% combat and ending was terrible.

Anyway, I agree Divinity 2 & DA:O can't be compared since they're different type of RPG. Compare Drakensang with DA:O instead - both are party based.
virumor i say NO DAMAGE SPELLS
the crystals was ok but totally no useof normal spells at all i played mage and i dont use any spells eccept fireball totally bs

so bad drakensang sux badly rly rly rly rly borring
i hope some day they make games like wizardry or m&m again i rly miss that kind of rpg
I think Divinity II: Ego Draconis deserved a 7.0, not 6.5.


Larian should have kept the classic isometric action-RPG camera, blending 2D backgrounds with 3D models. I miss a lot of things from Divine Divinity, such as the huge open-world filled with interesting things, the Diablo-like gameplay, the Ultima-like object interaction, the various cities and populated zones, even the dialogs and quest decisions.

Divinity II started well as a RPG, but became an action game very fast. After I finished Broken Valley I waited and waited and waited until the end for another interactive city that never appeared.

Let's see if Divinity III will bring the Divine Divinity magic back.
Originally Posted by Ineluke
Originally Posted by Libertarian
This place seems very xenophobic when it comes to anything that's from the US or Canada. Very odd. A very depressing place.


I can't stress enough that it's nothing personnel towards Canada or the US,i really have nothing against a good game coming from that part of the world.I am just being honest,i mean i actually think ME is a better game than DAO,it really is a deep and engaging game that deserves the praise.

It seems to me that a lot of people from the US won't have a bad word said against certain DEV teams even if they have not quite come up with the goods this time.Some of the reviews coming from the states and some European gaming sites are way off and not fair IMO.


Good to know it's your opinion; I don't share it.

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Take "the Witcher" enhanced edition,it really is a brilliant game that has won over a hundred awards and kills DAO for story hands down,it's a fab mature RPG.


It must be a European thing, but I couldn't get into the story; maybe if I had read the book it's supposed to be based on I might have understood what little of it I did play.

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DAO bad problems on the port over to consoles just like D2 had teething problems but the reviewers seem to conveniently leave stuff like that out when reviewing that game.


Maybe reviewers don't spend much time reading complaints that a small fraction of players post on a game's official forum; you do realize that all the complaints might seem like a lot of people are having problems, when it might be just the opposite.

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The story is a rip from lord of the rings,i mean a blatant copy of events.


Some elements are similar, but I didn't see Tom Bombadil anywhere (come to think of it, he was missing from the movies too); nor did I see any Orcs and I'm fairly sure there are only two mages in all of Middle-Earth. There are a lot of major deviations that you've overlooked, too.

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Any other dev team would be accused of an unoriginal story lacking any imagination but BioWare have got away with it.If a European dev team brings a crap game out then i will say it's crap but if that game is anywhere near decent i am going to support them.


Again, it's just your opinion; I'm sure there are others that share it, on both sides of the Atlantic, just as I'm sure there are people in both places that find it quite good.

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it's a labour of love and not just a game churned out to the masses on a conveyor belt.


Gee, this sure sounds like what the Bioware Developers would say DA is to them...

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I really don't understand how many people can't see it,they are stuck with these key dev teams that will continue to churn out the same old same old and gaming site will suck it up.


If this was another game set in the D&D Forgotten Realms (like most of their previous fantasy RPGs were), it would be the same old same old; since they've chosen not to do any more D&D games, I'd say they've found something that for some has the spirit of Baldur's Gate rather than the spirit of Neverwinter Nights.
Could we please take the Div 2 vs DA:O to another thread?

There's already a 15-page thread about this. wink
Originally Posted by DeviRyuuD
So you admit that you`ve lost.
Finally.

Edit, restrain from making such huge quote pyramids, edit them.

No I didn"t admit
Lets continue
Shall we
ladydesire u see the witcher was freeking outstanding . butto rly understood the witcher u need a read whole saga is aboute 9 books ( story in game is after the books but alot of characters are from book ) and most important U NEED TO BE FROM POLAND. is simply imposible to translate the witcher jokes and texts to english . i tell u only that teh book autor was on drugs and alco when he wite alot of that 9 books and is freeking outstanding , books are 18+++++ its like put dirty harry to eragon .. and eragon got bullet in ayes on the begining later harry start to exterminate elves and other punnys :P
i dont know how good books are transalted but i hope good enought so read them if u like rly good mature fantasy
For the most part I agree entirely with the Gamespot review.

Coming from a country where Triple A games are expected [Australia], Divinity 2 is poor quality in comparison to games from Bioware, Bethesda, 2K Games and all the other AAA developers.

However, I love european fantasy RPG's [Risen, The Witcher, Drakensang, Gothic Series] and I have to say, Divinity 2, from what I have played so far is a great game.

Howver, I have one issue with it, which is, the animation quality. Let's face it, they are horrible. I am an Indy developer working on a game with the Unreal Development Kit [Unreal Engine 3] and even though I have absolutely no animating experience, I can make much better animations than the ones in Divinity 2.

When I first played the game I thought my frame rate was really low, turned out it was around 40-50fps, so it wasnt video lag. I then read on the internet and discovered that it was just a pathetic job by the animation team at Larian. To be honest, I am not going to play the game again until they release a patch with animation updates, because they are abolutely horrible and I can't play a game where it looks like my character is having a seisure when he is walking.

Don't get me wrong, from the two hours I have played (with painful animations that make me cringe), I think it has a LOT of potential to be an awesome game. The storyline, while generic, still seems intriguing and the overall feel of the game [atmosphere and setting] seem great. But I just can't bring myself to play a game that is so poorly animated.

How on earth did Larian think that having a walking/running animation that consists of only 7 or 8 frames (being generous there) could be quality? That is certianly the biggest let down for me.

Sure, Larian are a small independent dev, but look at the The Witcher and Risen. The animations in both those games are decent [at worst] and the stories are excellent and both are developed by relatively small indy developers.

I just don't see why larian released the game with such poor animations. Especially when trying to break into the Western market [USA, Canada, UK, Australia, NZ] which have much higher expectations and standards than what Larian have delivered.

NOTE: I am not saying European gamers have lower expectations but the difference in polish between a western developed game and an Eastern European developed game is like night and day. Western games have more polish and feel like they are better quality and when trying to break into the western market, the developer needs to meet the expectations in presentation, which, in this case, Larian have not. Which is sad because Divinity 2 has lots of potential, just need to wait for a few patches to fix those animations and fix a few minor bugs.
thank you all for your feedbacks.so after reading all your posts I got the impression that-the bottom line is-ego draconis is NOT as good as divine divinity at the time it came out whether gamespot's* review was fair or not.it may not be that buggy,and its animations might not be that bad either,and I can certainly live with all that;but raven's opinion of how weak ego draconis' story is (compared to the first divine divinity at least)IS pretty alarming.oh well,again,thank you all for your time.i just hope that my next ~9 years wait will be worth it this time...

*and yes i'm having second thoughts about the fairness of gamespot's reviews towards european games after reading all your posts.thanks again

hmm vengeance huh ?
animations are bad indeed but TBH they are not so bd. look on retardet combat animations in DAO when u play woman expecially as range character. Your Beautyfull elvish magi looks like she got hard anal sex right before fight :P i dont say DAO got bad animations but that one sux badly .
Not to mention Dragon Age's "facial" and "love making" animations... lol.
Not the mention that in D2 enemies run really comic,combat animations are funny and Al is stupid.
just look this video
You see how animations are bad(hell even people in comments see that)
even drqagon form looks unrealistic and bad

Dragon form looks "unrealistic"? Are you kidding? It looks exactly like a dragon in real life!

I didn"t know that dragon can spit fire with closed jaw
My biggest issue...besides the many many many bugs is that the same characters are used over and over and over again in different areas. Don't get me wrong... I am highly addicted to this game but I wish they would have spent more time creating different characters instead of recycling the same ones!
in the end,i saw more negative opinions here than positive ones,i think i'll pass on ego draconis;sorry larian.but you KNOW this is not the best you can do.have a good day everyone... sad

I didn"t know that dragon can spit fire with closed jaw

Is the fire physical (with methane bladders, etc) or magical? Even if it is physical (presumably it would have to be an extremely potent fuel source, if you never have to consume any raw materials), why would the jaw have to be open to use it? Classically dragons may 'breath' fire, but that is not necessarily the only way to go, especially in a world where humans can cast fire spells (or is fire coming out of a wizard's hand unrealistic, as well?).



grandia01;
Form your own opinion. The people enjoying the game have better things to do than come here and post. Complaining, however, is a different story.
Originally Posted by grandia01
in the end,i saw more negative opinions here than positive ones,i think i'll pass on ego draconis;sorry larian.but you KNOW this is not the best you can do.have a good day everyone... sad


i don't think you should be relying too much on other's people opinions before getting it. If i were you, i would either play the demo or rent it then decide from their if it's good to buy. It's a fun and enjoyable game if you can get over the ending (i haven't yet...) and some of the minor flaws.
Oh man, this thread has become a rant... Good thing exaggerating things and scaring people that would've enjoyed this game away.

Originally Posted by Raze

grandia01;
Form your own opinion. The people enjoying the game have better things to do than come here and post. Complaining, however, is a different story.


Yeah, and this... Polls 'n stuff are always inaccurate cos people are always more inclined to whine than to take effort and say something is good.
Despite I was very disappointed of the ending, the most of all other things gamers aren't satisfied with as I can reading on this topic and others (graphics, animations, dragonform, etc ) are for me not a problem:
I find the animations okay (it is just so funny to see how Goblins walk and dying), the graphics too. And me too have a wish something can be better next time (more different NPC's, more different areas and sure more different enemies (races, like in DD))... but the quests, skills, finding loot and hidden areas, mindreading, etc ... is fun!!

I give also ideas for another kind of ending and I hope Larian do something with this stuff grin ... so next time I hope that less gamers are disappointed!!

So I play Divinity II again, but I try to play it on a different way.

I wish to give this game a second chance!! wink

raze : there are bugs who actually atack enemny by fire i know theyr name but in polish only
they dont need consume raw materials they produce 2 liquids when they mix that 2 liquids they start to burn is same like poison for snakes etc .
so dragon should make this in same way .
anyway dragon animations are good imho only stupid thing in dragon mdoe is homing fireballs and lack of enemys that are not other dragons or balistas
Plus they should be independed and objective reviewers.

Now most sites and magazines just review top AAA games high so they assured of many fans for there site maybe they even get payed to rate there game high and competition low.

Last few years reviewers are more and more biased and review popular games with high ratings, even tho they maybe have played it for 30min.

Problem with this is that the MASS believe them and small developers have a hard time proof themselfs there game can compete with big boys.

This reviewer also proof he is very stupid try compare it with dragon age there 2 completely different rpg styles.

Dragon age is a npc team based story telling rpg with no real depthness if it come to gameplay build character.

While D2 is a far more deeper rpg with a more complex rpg character building game, and not to mention exploring that DAO totally lacks.

Its just bad timing release D2 at same time with DAO.

DAO is even very simple nightmare difficulty is not difficult at all and after play second time you just hit esc constantly becouse its boring and annoying hearing contsantly same story from npc,s again.

Give me D2:ED rating8/10(becouse of lack patch for europe english version and bugs or rating would go up to 9) any time over DAO rating 7.5/10.
just wanted to say, whomever is the guy who said "well maybe its magic fire so the dragon doesn't have to open his mouth to breath it," is on crack.

the dragon should open its mouth when it breaths fire.

if it doesn't, that's because the animation sucks.

call it like it is, the game has some good features but trying to say that the dragon not breathing fire correctly is anything other than poor animations, is pure fanboi'ism and outside the realm of reality.

Originally Posted by Evasion

Dragon age is a npc team based story telling rpg with no real depthness if it come to gameplay build character.

While D2 is a far more deeper rpg with a more complex rpg character building game, and not to mention exploring that DAO totally lacks.

DAO is even very simple nightmare difficulty is not difficult at all and after play second time you just hit esc constantly becouse its boring and annoying hearing contsantly same story from npc,s again.

-You are wrong,but i guess you didn"t play other BioWare games
-Oh!So D2 is more complex and exploration in DA:O is lacking hehe.Of course you don"t understand that DA:O is not sandbox.DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT IS SANDBOX
-and here I find out that you didn"t play game,or that you buy game without reading about it(I guess those trailers cheat you)
The review was unfair and dead wrong. The reviwer's experience with RPG's must be limited to WOW or similar MMORPG crap. I have played a number of RPG's since the early 1990's and this is among the tops for enjoyment. I love European RPG's - the Sacred series, Gothic series etc. Maybe they are too demanding on the average teenager.

The developers of Ego Draconis have managed to make leveling fun without a lot of the micromanagement that seems to plague similar games. This is pure enjoyment.

I don't know where the reviewer got the impression that the plot was poor or nonexistent. I suppose if you can't be bothered to read any of the books you collect or actually follow the conversations, then the plot is lost on you.

I've played Divine Divinity, and although I have Beyond Divinity, I've yet to play it. I'll have to go back after this and fill in some of the story.

Thanks Larian! You did well!

Nastilon;
I didn't say anything about the animations (haven't got far enough to see them yet), just that it isn't essential for a jaw to be open to produce fire. It may look better, it may match people's expectations (especially when 'breath' is used in connection to the dragon's fire in the game), but if you want to argue 'realism', it isn't necessary for the jaw to be open.


JerseySeven;
Though there is a brief summary of the story between DD and BD in the D2:ED manual, and much is revealed throughout BD, there is also a BD novella (included in the fansite kit (17.7MB) with a summary here) which would fill out the story in a little more detail.


Welcome to the forum. wave
raze yup he can breath fire from nose :P
Originally Posted by marcusdavidus
raze yup he can breath fire from nose :P

and he can shot lasers from his eyes too
c"mon
you know that dragon need to open his jaw to breathe fire
It is why main skill is called fireBREATH
raven this was sarcasm iif u dont realize. and ye he can shoot lasers from ayes and make radio active poo bombs too
Originally Posted by marcusdavidus
raven this was sarcasm iif u dont realize. and ye he can shoot lasers from ayes and make radio active poo bombs too

Didn"t understand
confused
sorry
Originally Posted by grandia01
As a Divine Divinity fan, I'd appreciate everyone's opinion(s) on gamespot's review.Do you agree that Ego Draconis: 1)Has a weak story? 2)is Buggy? and 3)Has bad animations? I'm not being an ass, just worried about my favorite game confused!! Thank you all for your time...
The review is at http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/divinity2egodraconis/review.html


The gamespot review is what made me question whether D2 was worth playing. Since I played the previous games, I didn't think it could be that bad, so I got it.

After playing for a week or more... wow. It's so addicitive. It's like a single player MMO. And unlike some MMO's, ALL the dialog is spoken, not just some and other's are displayed on a dialog. This game is ridiculously hugemongous.

And the default difficulty level... after playing to a certain point in the game, I turned it DOWN... it got frustrating.

But now, I have a posse of undead peeps and I'm kicking butt and chewing bubblegum. cool2

I give the Gamespot review a 1.. out of 10. Well, a 2.. they did review the game in the page title at least.
I'm happy I'm not alone who find this game addicitive!! always I gebin to play, I can't stop! It is sometimes a real problem ... I must eat, drink and sleep too .... grin

And I know the end, but if I enjoy, it is worth my time.
I read whole interview with Sven Vincke on PC games and GamesBanshee and I have hope next game of the trilogy gives answers to all my questions about the story and how Divinity II have a very suprizing unexcept ending!!

O yes Kensei, me too change the setting to "most easy", because the default setting was to hard for me :hihi:
Maybe next time I play this game on a harder setting, because now I play the second time, it will for me to become too easy ...
In regards to the thread topic. Yes, I agree with it. With all the bugs and problems I ran into, I almost felt like I was playing the beta copy of the game (IF they even bothered to beta test it before release.)
Yeah, I thought Dragon Age was more inspired by George R.R. Martin's "A Game of Thrones" and that ilk. I kept thinking the Grey Wardens were similar to the Night's Watch, and the darkspawn were like the 'Others' of legend.

The idea of a noble betraying other nobles to cement power also has strong parallels to the Song of Ice and Fire series. But, despite the parallels, the story is pretty engrossing.

But, back to Div2, I like it. The idea that the bad guy shows up, laughs at you, and then you have to fight to survive his minions is interesting. It's really hard in places (like the first time you become a dragon -- I'm not sure I can get past that point), but it's fun.
Originally Posted by grandia01
As a Divine Divinity fan, I'd appreciate everyone's opinion(s) on gamespot's review.Do you agree that Ego Draconis: 1)Has a weak story? 2)is Buggy? and 3)Has bad animations? I'm not being an ass, just worried about my favorite game confused!! Thank you all for your time...
The review is at http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/divinity2egodraconis/review.html



I haven't read, and don't care to read the review. But I'll answer based on my experience with the game (I'm on my second go-around).

1) Weak Story?-- A hearty NO! The main story line has the important elements and kept me interested. What was even more interesting were the side stories, which I won't mention because they would be spoilers. I suppose I'm just a "crazy American" (more than technically!), but I prefer the "rougher" (as someone else has said) games that have a great story to them. The ending had me practically jump out of my chair shouting "NO!!!!!" and very anxious for Divine Divinity 3:____________ smile

2) Is buggy?-- I had a glitch or two (PC version), but nothing major or game-ending.

3) Has bad animations?-- I think this is even more of a subjective answer than #1. Personally, I'm reminded a lot of Gothic 3 (which I also loved even with all it's glitches--which was probably more of my dinosaur computer than the game), but with less polish. Sure, there's a lot of repetitive animations (dying as a dragon, for instance), but seriously, there's more to a game just the animations.

As others have pointed out, Divine Divinity 2 (like the first Divine Divinity) is more than the sum of its parts. Taken has a whole, I have found it to be highly addictive, feeding on the main story as well as all the little side quests and fun stuff, and fantastic humor! I was disappointed with Beyond Divinity (never finished it, in fact)-- but not so with this one. The humor was back and had me literally laughing out loud.

I'm a Divine Divinity fan, as well, and so this comes with that in mind-- Don't worry about what other people say about your favorite game. If it's your favorite, then it doesn't matter what other people think or say about it. If people told me my hubby was buggy (well, come to think of it, he is), ugly (poor graphics), or was boring, I'd tell them to go f--- themselves. If that's what they think, let them-- I know the truth (both about my hubby and the game!)

Play the game and have a blast with it! Many people who write "professionally" here in America seem to have forgotten how to objectively evaluate and properly put together a piece of writing (essay, review, news article, etc). Don't let them ruin your fun, or skew your perspective.

All best,
~~CierraShore biggrin

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