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Posted By: Wallace A community on orkut - 06/02/05 08:47 AM
Hi guys.
I expect that you should be knowing about orkut.
there is a community for the fans of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> there.
Join it if you are already there.
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 06/02/05 08:50 AM
Or send me a pm to get an invitation.
You can't join without an invitation.
Posted By: LewsTherinKinslayer13 Re: A community on orkut - 06/02/05 08:55 AM
What?
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 06/02/05 11:52 AM
What's Orkut ?
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 06/02/05 03:20 PM
Orkut is a gigantic online community of over 3996446 people. It's strange that you two don't know of it.
It's ok. I will send an invitation. It should not take more than two weeks. The server is slightly slow.
Posted By: Rincewind Re: A community on orkut - 06/02/05 07:44 PM
It's a social network: About orkut

For Alrik and others who sometimes share essays, stories and other creative works, you should be aware of this extract from their "Terms of Service" --

orkut.com's proprietary rights

By submitting, posting or displaying any Materials on or through the orkut.com service, you automatically grant to us a worldwide, non-exclusive, sublicenseable, transferable, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable right to copy, distribute, create derivative works of, publicly perform and display such Materials.


The only other complaint I've seen about Orkut (from an admittedly "obsessed" user) is the encouragement to rank friends using "karma points".

As Annalee Newitz posted at AlterNet.org: "The friend-karma system is quite simply hideous. I like the idea of naming people my friends, but I don't want to rank them in terms of anything. Friendship is not about hierarchy. It's about exchanging ideas and saying hello once in a while. Only a creep would rank his or her friends, and making those rankings an explicit part of the social network encourages the worst kind of cliquish, competitive behavior."
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 06/02/05 09:03 PM
Phew ! And I thought it was about Orks ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

[Ork is the German spelling version of Orc, in the original translations of LOTR.]

And I'm quite concerned about this text you just showed, Rincewind ... I'm glad that I can post my things here, more or less freely. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 13/02/05 09:49 AM
@Alrik
I need your email id to send an invitation. I can bet that joining will be a lot of fun. There are a lot of games and a lot of other stuff you can talk about there.

I have send an invitation to Lews. You can invite as many friends as you want and you can join as many communities as you want (of course there will be an upper limit - 999 for friends AFAIK).
1. Click on the link in your mail
2. Fill in whatever you like to fill about your profile
3. Goto the hompage of your profile
4. Accept my invitation
5. Read my profile <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" />
6. Look at the communities that I have joined
7. Join the <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> community
8. Look around - you will know how to invite more friends

I have no friends at all at the moment! So all those who want to be my friends should post here and make sure that I can see their email addresses.

In the meanwhile I am going to invite those who, I think, will not mind being invited by 'strangers' - Like I have already done with Lews.
Posted By: LewsTherinKinslayer13 Re: A community on orkut - 13/02/05 08:12 PM
Hm... an email? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 14/02/05 11:20 AM
@Lews
I send an email at 'lewstherinkinslayer13@hotmail.com'.
It may take about 10 days for it to reach you.
If it does not reach b4 24 I shall send it agian.
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 14/02/05 05:59 PM
Um, I forgot this thread. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

I'll send an PM out ...
Posted By: LewsTherinKinslayer13 Re: A community on orkut - 15/02/05 04:28 AM
Hmm, I'll see.
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 15/02/05 12:49 PM
Janggut has joined.
But he has not logged in his homepage yet.
Neither he has joined the <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> community there.
Hope he does it soon and fills more of his profile.
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 15/02/05 01:49 PM
I'll inform you when the e-mail has reached me.
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 15/02/05 11:09 PM
What's he difference between username and firstname - last name ? I mean - must I type my real name in there ?

Posted By: LewsTherinKinslayer13 Re: A community on orkut - 15/02/05 11:20 PM
You don't need to.
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 15/02/05 11:27 PM
I think I have several problems ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

First, I got this message :

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The username you chose has a bad word in it.
Please choose a proper username.


I used my Forum-Name "Alrik Fassbauer" as the User Name, ans I think the invitation process believed there was an "[nocando]" in it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Second, Alrk Fassbauer is NOT my real name, but I think the invitation process believes so ... Wallace, have you sent the invitation assuming that was my real name ?
Posted By: Raze Re: A community on orkut - 15/02/05 11:33 PM
The error was most likely due to the space in the username (possibly the length).

Most free forums, etc just need a working email address to register. If you are not conducting financial transactions, etc nobody will be checking that entered names are plausible, let alone legitimate (you can enter Peter Pan if you want). It may be against the terms of service to enter a false name, though.

user name - AlrikFassbauer
first name - Alrik
last name - Fassbauer
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 16/02/05 12:19 AM
Okay. In a different forum someone actually believed that this was my real name. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: LewsTherinKinslayer13 Re: A community on orkut - 16/02/05 04:16 AM
You mean its not? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: janggut Re: A community on orkut - 16/02/05 09:48 AM
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" /> what have u done to the REAL Alrik Fassbauer, u impostor? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 16/02/05 10:15 AM
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 16/02/05 12:11 PM
username and password are just like two passwords. You can use any (previously unused) word as username and anything as password.
No, You don't need to use your real name.
I invited you by the name of Alrik Fassbauer. You can use the same name.
I have invited Raze as Raze Rox <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" />
But maybe he is feeling a little unsure.
In fact you can keep as many profiles as email-ids you have.
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 16/02/05 12:21 PM
@Janggut and Alrik
Invite more friends now. There are a lot of Germans already there but not many from Malaysia.
And read what I write here:
Girl Gamers

And don't tell that to any of the ladies around here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" />
Barta will shoot me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />
Kiya is not accepting PMs anyway. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: LewsTherinKinslayer13 Re: A community on orkut - 16/02/05 03:17 PM
She hasn't since...an incident a while ago.
Posted By: SPIKENOX07 Re: A community on orkut - 16/02/05 04:15 PM
what incident???
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 16/02/05 06:30 PM
Orkut seems to have some slight problems with their servers ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> I tried to log in, but currently cannot.
Posted By: Raze Re: A community on orkut - 16/02/05 08:56 PM
[color:"orange"]I have invited Raze as Raze Rox <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" />
But maybe he is feeling a little unsure.[/color]

Actually, I'm pretty sure I don't need more things to do on the computer.... I was going to PM or email you back, but never got around to it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 17/02/05 01:56 AM
@Alrik
Yes, they have lot of probs. They are extremely slow. So I open this forum and orkut simultaneously to keep engaged all the time.
Posted By: janggut Re: A community on orkut - 17/02/05 02:08 AM
i am not often online & presently i have problems with my net connection so i won't be doing anything serious on orkut. yet.

i'll see if i can get some malaysians in. no promises though as people i know are very busy in real life, much less for 'net activities.

& as for Kiya, please respect her need for privacy. she's usually online only on NEED basis. just like in the game, u need very high brownie points to get audience with her. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: LewsTherinKinslayer13 Re: A community on orkut - 17/02/05 06:46 AM
ROFL. Actually its not that hard if you.... nevermind. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Hmm, I think I got the email, didn't really get it. But not sure if I need another thing on my hands right now, real busy.
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 17/02/05 10:57 AM
I think it's okay. Everyone needs his/her own private life, no ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Ubereil Re: A community on orkut - 17/02/05 03:55 PM
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I think it's okay. Everyone needs his/her own private life, no ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


That's right! Everyone don't need his/her own private life <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />.

Übereil <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 18/02/05 08:39 AM
Who offended whose privacy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />?
Posted By: Jurak Re: A community on orkut - 18/02/05 11:21 PM
ummm, that's private life, not privacy..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> DoH! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 19/02/05 03:42 AM
*swords drawn now*
Who offended whose (private) life?
Posted By: Ubereil Re: A community on orkut - 19/02/05 04:39 PM
Übereil points at Raze and sais "It was him guys! Get him!"

Übereil
Posted By: Jurak Re: A community on orkut - 20/02/05 12:08 AM
yer such a stand up guy Ube....... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 20/02/05 06:15 AM
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Übereil points at Raze and sais "It was him guys! Get him!"


Sacrilage <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />
*Wallace cuts Ubereil's pointing fingures with his sword*
If Raze offended somebody, that 'somebody' must have deserved it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 20/02/05 12:40 PM
*points towards the nearest Ambulance (Hospital)*

By the way, what surprised me is the following :

Where you can put a photo into your profile I found the following :

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You can upload a JPG, GIF, or PNG file. (Maximum size of 500KB) Do not upload photos containing children, pets, cartoons, celebrities, nudity, artwork or copyrighted images.


Strictly speaking, I am not allowed to upload my own photos, because they also are copyrighted images.

And also strictly speaking this is just another piece of the puzzle forming into my theory that the "industry" (I mean the "music industry" and companies ith similar intentions) consider the Home User "inferior" than themselves, because they say that what they have are "copyrighted images", naturally, but what the Home User has are not copyrighted images, or at least their "copyright" is "weaker" so that they don't need any protection (and can happily be stolen by the companies who have the resources to defend thousands of Home Users with lots of Lawyers).

This might sound harsh, but I'm higly critical towards modern tendencies in copyright issues.

And I know that in the end I'm right.
Posted By: Ubereil Re: A community on orkut - 20/02/05 12:52 PM
What?!? You cut my nose off?!? YOU [nocando]!!! *Übereil aims and then takes a BIG bite of Wallace a$$*.

Übereil
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 20/02/05 02:01 PM
*points to the house of the Pirate who's selling artificial parts (known from Monkey Island IV)*

Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 22/02/05 02:45 AM
I have never understood the concept of copyrighted images. I am also not familiar with the procedure of getting any image copyrighted. Could someone already familiar with the procedure enlighten me? I would like to copyright some of screenshots from UT. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

@Ube
Brush your teeth and use mouthwash regularly now.
*Wallace points towards the bathroom*
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 22/02/05 01:36 PM
Well, basically *everything* is copyrithted - by you, since you are the "Urheber" (a German lawyers term for that), you are the Originator of something.

In pronciple this means that you can forbid people to use things you've created - in fact no-on cares about that.

German laws and U.S. laws differ in the point that in the U.S. you can actually selkl the "spiritual proerty" of that - what we call "geistiges Eigentum" - the idea to create a thing as such. We here also call therefore therything that's created with the help of the mind or spirit as "Geistiges Eigentum" - not only the idea as such, but also its materialistic "impersonation", I mean an idea crystallized into its material form (an invention, maybe, or a painting, or a song).

In Germany, we cannot sell the complete rights, but the right to publish it. And that can b - like everywhere else - almost forever (well, I think I've read that after 75 years things become "public domain" or such a thing, but I'm not sure about that).

The thing is, that only rcently the music indistry and the publishers of printed meterial became more and more aware of their monopolistic status - publishing is power. People rely on you. You can dictate the prices.

That’s why they are forcing copyritht things this far - with the „Digital Millennium Act“ (I think that was the name) as the peak.

The sad thing is that the U.S. as a economical giant tries to push their laws into global business - rsulting in many countries adopting their kinds of laws (like seen in the european patent war). GATT is a prominent vehicle for that.
So, practically this means that the major companies are sitting in the U.S. and are pursuing copyright violations from the U.S. - with their laws as background. It’s symptomatic, imho, that they don’t do this from smaller countries.

A „collateral damage“ of that are the private users or home users. Business isn’t interested in helping them at all. All their rules and laws are tailored for their needs - not the needs of an home user. If I as a home user would try to use the copyright laws against a company, I would have no chance. Also, they have the best lawyers with lots of money to pay them, whereas I as a home user have almost nothing - compared to that.

A practical result of that - although never used this far - would be that companies theoretically are „allowed“ to happily steal copyrighted material from home users - simply because of their power and might (and money, and lawyers ...). No-one protects home users, and companies aren’t even interested to do o.

It’s like huge security congresses : They are for companies only. They are not for home users - although they are the far wakest point in the chain (or pyramid) - because it doesn’t pay. You cannot earn money with security and home users. Instead, you could rather use them as „cash cows“, because if their almost non-existent security fails, they’ss have to buy new Software, Hardware etc. . Makes money.

You see, I’m *very* critical and pessimistic over that.
Posted By: Tsel Re: A community on orkut - 22/02/05 03:09 PM
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />

What would you say if you wrote a book and in writing that book it took you years of mental labor, research, and perseverance to finally finish it?
You get it copywrited and published by a book company.
Then your book is on the brink of becoming a national best seller, but it doesn’t make it.
You find out that 3 to 10 times the quantity of your whole book has been uploaded and given away for free on the internet.
You, the creator, have lost out on all of those sales.
Basically, billions of people stole your work from you.
Would you like someone to break into your home and steal everything you own out of your house? That would be the equivalent of what has happened to you and your book when billions of people downloaded it absolutely for free off of the internet.

It is not perfect, it is not perfect, it is not perfect and the kinks need to be ironed out, and true there will be some internal corruption, but the goal of Digital Millennium act is a step in ensuring you get paid for your work.

I don’t care if it is Americans, Germans, or Spaniards.
If you, as an individual, puts forth a ton of your own time and effort into something like writing a major 500 to 700 page book, you want to get paid for it. You do not want people stealing it from you.

When you buy software, the EULA copyright, you are not buying the software.
You are buying the PRIVILEGE, PRIVILEGE, PRIVILEGE, to use that software.
If you look up your EULA laws for your country, you’ll note this is true World Wide.

Tsel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 22/02/05 03:31 PM
Wait a moment !

What I want - as the author - are ALL rights !

I want to have TOTAL CONTROL over my work !

Which means that I don't want a company (a publisher) to do what they want with my work.

If I take a look at the music industry and considr how few money the actual producers ( I mean individuals) of a song get (I think it was about 9 % ) , then I feel ashamed. And even worse : the music industry wants to even lower that rate !

I belive that originators of work deserve a lot of more money for their "year long research", and not only a few per cent of the actual price (how it's sold, actually).

As long as I have to give up almost all of my rights to a company in order to publish anything at all ("publish or perish" with a cynical twist), then I won't do it.

What's even worse is that publishers have a monopoly on Knowledge - I mean in scientific works. Any scientific researcher must frely on knowlefge - and threfore publishers of scientific books can dictat their prices. If someone can't afford it - bad luck. Lack of knowledge.

I've been studying Geology for a while. And all I can say that scientific books needed by the studends *are* expensive.

Even the person who originally had written the scientific book can be forbidden to copy his own work, at least in theory.

And what is when scientific books simply "get out of print" ? Another problem. Still you are not allowed to copy them (the same problm with the so-called "abandonware"), but you also don't get the scientific knowledge that's buried in these out-of-print-books.

That's what buggers me.

Alrik.
Posted By: Wallace Re: A community on orkut - 23/02/05 12:39 AM
I would like to quote what I read on a topic at orkut
DD-orkut

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Topic: Thanks to the Starforce Crackers


Ali Thanks to the Starforce Crackers 12/15/2004 10:04 PM
I, on behalf of all the Divinity series lovers all over the world who can't buy the cds, respect the affort of all the hackers who did their best to crack the starforce [nocando] code.

Brandon 2/16/2005 6:34 PM
sadlythe decision on using starforce was that of the publisher, not the developer so when u got yoursef the cracked game, u're crapping on the hard work of Larian Studios. in another words, u're making sure that it will be a lot harder for them to develp new games because u don't buy the original game that actually pays their efforts.

so do u have the original game?

Ali 2/16/2005 7:17 PM
I couldn't buy BD not because i haven't enough money or dont want to pay. but because its not published in my country and I know many with same condition.

Brandon 2/17/2005 12:02 AM
where are u from, by the way? import is one way to get the game. as for me, i asked a cousin in the states to help me.

Andreas 2/17/2005 2:03 PM
Hello.

In some rare cases, for people with extreme problems ith the protection, Larian can give a kind of "Registry key". But please this should only be used in extreme cases.

What I want to say with this is : Larian tries to be polite with their customers; if they use a protection, they try to do it in a way so that the gamers are also satisfied.

By the way, wasn't there a sries about the dveklopment of BD where they complained about it ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Wallace wish.. 2/18/2005 12:25 AM
.. lynn could see this thread.



*On our community
Andreas is Alrik and
Brandon is Janggut

@Alrik and Tsel
You two sound very morbid on the present copyright laws. I don't have a very good opinion about them now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: LewsTherinKinslayer13 Re: A community on orkut - 23/02/05 02:40 AM
We had a ton of discussions about this when Beyond Divinity first came out. I must have gotten into an argument with every new person who came complaining about it. Ahh, good times.
Posted By: Jurak Re: A community on orkut - 23/02/05 03:00 AM
Umm, yeah, sounds like a real nice community. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: LewsTherinKinslayer13 Re: A community on orkut - 23/02/05 04:20 AM
Yeah.

I may or may not join some day. If Brandon and Alrik like it, sounds not bad. But I'm stretched thin over the internet right now, and have lots of work in school.
Posted By: AlrikFassbauer Re: A community on orkut - 23/02/05 11:34 AM
Well, I don't do too much in Orkut now; that's mostly due to the server errors there ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I'm slowly getting to know everything there ...

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