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Posted By: Mvc9 what should have been the Title of Divinity 2? - 10/02/11 01:42 PM
Hi All Again,

Well I hope this topic is not controversial, I'm not hoping to change anything in the game, but i thought since some were interested, i thought i should make this post and see what great titles should Divinity 2 have instead of . . . well . . . Divinity ! which was a bit unrelated to the plot.

I know that it was not the developers fault, I think one of the moderators cleared that up. I thought this would be offtopic, but then again I realized that is still not too late for the developers to take this as a feedback and use it on their upcoming sequel.

Now to start off, I think that the game title should have been: "Ego Draconis", I think that the "Divinity 2" part should have been cut off, and that the game should have been like:

Ego Draconis: Flames of Vengence
Ego Draconis: Dragon Knight Saga

and Maybe in the Future:

Ego Draconis 2

so what do you think should have been the Title, or what do you think it should be their next title (the sequel to Divinity 2 - spoilers:seeing how D2 never truly ended) ?
Larian intended the title of the first game to be "Divinity: Sword of Lies" so "Divinity 2" fits well.

I like the sound of "Divinity 3: the Battle for Rivellon"
I dunno . . . i rather prefered had something that could truly express the content. for instance, the word "divinity" is completely irrelevant to both the story and content, but the word "Ego Draconis" was much better, if they only cut out the "Divinity" part, it would be great.

I mean the game would be called "I, of the Dragons" series. that would be something. but "sword of Lies" there were alot of lies in the game . . . but a specific sword related to the main plot ? no there wasnt any. you get what I mean ? I think there should be a title that is related to the games content, not just sound cool ! for example, Dragon Age, had alot of dragons in it, and the final boss was a dragon, Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, keeps talking about the elder scrolls, and oblivion gates. now imagine "Divinity" there was nothing divine in the game, of course except the divine himself (which was suppose to be the god of the game) and he barely was introduced in the game at all. you get where im going with this ?
Originally Posted by virumor
[...]"Divinity 3: the Battle for Rivellon"

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OMGFLAMES OF VENGEANCE is enough, I guess. Otherwise, there will be pathos overdose.
I think 'pathos' doesn't mean what you think it means. wink
"Pathetic" means for example two different things in Germnan & English language ...
Originally Posted by Mvc9
but "sword of Lies" there were alot of lies in the game . . . but a specific sword related to the main plot ? no there wasnt any. you get what I mean ?

He spoke about Divine Divinity, the first game of the serie. Those that played it know how the so-called sword is important in the main plot smile

Originally Posted by Mvc9
now imagine "Divinity" there was nothing divine in the game, of course except the divine himself (which was suppose to be the god of the game) and he barely was introduced in the game at all. you get where im going with this ?

What about Damian? He's the main "Divinity" throught the storyline, even if his girlfriend was DKS's star.
It could have been names after Zandalor also.
Old Man's Tales? grin

... no, really, he isn't the best character all over the games. If he was part of Divine Divinity, I would far prefer Bellegar.
Originally Posted by virumor
Larian intended the title of the first game to be "Divinity: Sword of Lies" so "Divinity 2" fits well.

I like the sound of "Divinity 3: the Battle for Rivellon"


Sounds a bit cheap tbh. This title is also too long (4 words) in my opinion). Barely better than Divine Divinity.

Divinity 3 : Bellegar is sexy

Only 3 words now!
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Old Man's Tales? \:-D

... no, really, he isn't the best character all over the games. If he was part of Divine Divinity, I would far prefer Bellegar.



Bellegar is awesome! If he was also in DD, his awesomeness would be tripled... But he's still my favourite character from the series. He's just the most rememberable one, and also very, incredibly funny (especially in that prostitute house of Madame I-forgot-her-name, if you read the book... He was epic xD)

It's also great how he is a bit of stalker. Seriously, he's the greatest character in the whole series! I never met anyone like this in any kind of book or game, so he's also unique.

There's NO WAY Larian will do Divinity 3 without Bellegar. Zandalor, even if boring, will also be in... But I also like him, even if he's a bit dull. But sincerely, I'd LOVE if in D3 Bellegar was the mentor, not Zandalor. Can you even imagine the awesomeness of Bellegar's mentoring?

Because Zandy was only good in Divine Divinity where he was Gandalf-like yet still unique with his awesome voice, and in Divinity 2 he became a complete Dumbledore. He even got glasses after him!

Also, since Maxos dissapeared so mysteriously yet didn't die, I wouldn't be very surprised if in D3 we played as Maxos who lost all his memory and strenght - would make sense, considering what Patriarch said! After 1000 years of not being anywhere in Rivellon, no one would recognize him, (especially since he lost all his power - no one would expect such a weakling to be most powerful wizard once!) he also was immortal and could probably very easily look like a young man thanks to his magic... *snort* *snort*

Bellegar could be the only one that knows (he is undoubtely more powerful than Zandalor), and he could mentor us, and then near the ending spoil the truth. Would be awesome I think!

Makes sense and I bet it will happen or is even already planned - this would make a nice turn of events and surprise for the player!
Bellegar's mentoring? then it should be called Divinity III: Save my Playground delight

(wasn't that note in Broken Valley telling Bellegar is the hunter's brother-in-law, I wouldn't even hesitate to bet Maxos turned mad and became our favourite wizard ^^)
Divinity 3: The Tales of a Crazy Old Man

Turns out that Divinity is set in our world. Rivellon is actually in the imagination of Zandalor whose real name is Zander which is of Slavic origin. Zander is in a hospital being treated by doctors, the doctor who takes a good amount of interest in Zander is a man called Damien. Zander also has a childhood friend called Lucian who is from Turkey.

In Divinity 4: The One Life and Accession of the Blood of The Divine, Zander regains his sanity half way through the game just as the player is about to kill Damien and turns off the game screen which brings up the credits.

However, Zander then becomes a game's developer and Larian studios creates Divinity 5: The Last One which shows Zander creating the conclusion to the Divinity story via a game. So you start the game and play as a modern day person who then starts Divinity 5. Included is also books ingame that are written by Zander telling the story of Divine Divinity to Divinity 4. They are 100 pages each.
Originally Posted by scalla
Bellegar's mentoring? then it should be called Divinity III: Save my Playground delight

(wasn't that note in Broken Valley telling Bellegar is the hunter's brother-in-law, I wouldn't even hesitate to bet Maxos turned mad and became our favourite wizard ^^)


xD

Hunter's brother-in-law? Didn't saw that note! What hunter's? Where can I find that note?

And there is one flaw with Maxos=Bellegar... Maxos was a Dragon Knight, and Bellegar doesn't have "Blood of Uroboros!" in him.

Project D is also supposed to have a Dragon Knight... Which would make sense, if it was Maxos who lost his memories and power!
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Divinity 3: The Tales of a Crazy Old Man

Turns out that Divinity is set in our world. Rivellon is actually in the imagination of Zandalor whose real name is Zander which is of Slavic origin. Zander is in a hospital being treated by doctors, the doctor who takes a good amount of interest in Zander is a man called Damien. Zander also has a childhood friend called Lucian who is from Turkey.

In Divinity 4: The One Life and Accession of the Blood of The Divine, Zander regains his sanity half way through the game just as the player is about to kill Damien and turns off the game screen which brings up the credits.

However, Zander then becomes a game's developer and Larian studios creates Divinity 5: The Last One which shows Zander creating the conclusion to the Divinity story via a game. So you start the game and play as a modern day person who then starts Divinity 5. Included is also books ingame that are written by Zander telling the story of Divine Divinity to Divinity 4. They are 100 pages each.


If there was +rep button on this forum, I'd give it to you. :*

Laughed! xD
The hunter in the Broken Valley village, the one you can mouthshut by bringing him a demon's nail. I guess that note is somewhere nearby in the inn. Actually, it's the list of his hunting trophy, if I remember well he's complaining about his brother-in-law ("beau-frère" in French) Bellegar that summons all kinds of creatures.
Divinity 3: Rhode's Revenge
If this was published by a large US studio it would have probably been called "Dragon Blood: Ascension." or something else ridiculously unrelated. Then they would add a small in-game cookie-- word dropping "ascension" or "dragon blood" to make it seem like it was all by design.

And the sequel would be... Divine Rhodes: The undiscovered lands. To be marketed as adolescent porn, with the parental filter defaulted to high, but easily disabled. It makes headlines like GTA and sells a bazillion copies to the delight of media and outrage of parents everywhere. The developer denies intentionally making the feature accessible and sleazily pockets a hefty profit. Mind you, only in the USA; and it could only be concocted by a profiteering band of marketing execs and upper management.

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And for a more serious title: Divinity III
(no qualifiers needed-- its that damn good).

EDIT: Changed title suggestion to be more tactful
Divinity 3: <anything>'s Revenge
Divinity 3: <anything> Strikes back
Divinity 3: Resurrection of <anything>

etc etc
For a second, I misread your post and thought it said:

Divinity 3: <anything>'s New Hope
Divinity 3: <anything> Strikes Back
Divinity 3: Return of the <anything>

lol

of course that would have to be divinity 4, 5, 6... so we're not quite there yet
Originally Posted by scalla
if I remember well he's complaining about his brother-in-law ("beau-frère" in French) Bellegar that summons all kinds of creatures.

It's a bit different actually: Bellegar plays tricks with Robin's dead brother-in-law, but he isn't the brother-in-law himself. smile

Here's the note in full:

[color:#33CC00]My Hunting Records by Brave Sir Robin

Three hundred and sixty nine Goblins, and counting[/color]
I will eventually blot out those nasty blemishes on our once-fine lands. Richard pays superbly for the hearts, that’s for sure.

Nineteen Rabbits
I recently heard a whisper about a ‘Killer Rabbit’. What nonsense!

One Giant Black Boar
What a feat that was! No one can match it. I am the unrivalled, most victorious hunter in Broken Valley. I hear the gasps from all that visit the Black Boar tavern and admire the head of the deadly beast.

Fifty-six Undead
In the ground, out of it again, in the ground, out of it again... Annoying things! Fifty six kills and it was my dead brother-in-law again each and every time. Bloody Bellegar and his bloody jokes!
Originally Posted by scalla
Old Man's Tales? grin

... no, really, he isn't the best character all over the games. If he was part of Divine Divinity, I would far prefer Bellegar.


But Bellegar wasn't in the first game.

Not that I know of.

Originally Posted by virumor
Divinity 3: Rhode's Revenge


Now that is a title I like !

Me, I'd like to see Rhode + the Dragon Knight forced to form a group - I could imagine lots of banter between both, especially regarding their history ...

It would be vry funny, imho both acting like in Shakespeare's "Much ado about nothing" ! wink
Originally Posted by Macbeth
Originally Posted by scalla
if I remember well he's complaining about his brother-in-law ("beau-frère" in French) Bellegar that summons all kinds of creatures.

It's a bit different actually: Bellegar plays tricks with Robin's dead brother-in-law, but he isn't the brother-in-law himself. smile

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Fifty-six Undead
In the ground, out of it again, in the ground, out of it again... Annoying things! Fifty six kills and it was my dead brother-in-law again each and every time. Bloody Bellegar and his bloody jokes!

Aaah, I should have guessed it really wasn't possible for Bellegar to have an ordinary familly :p I'm wondering why I misunderstood, I'll checked next time how it was translated.

Anyway, I'm not sure Maxos was a dragon knight himself... he had the power to make them, but that doesn't mean he decided to be one of them. That would explain both Maxos' disappearance and Bellegar's mysterious superpowers.
Divinity 3: Daimian's Damnation ?
Divinity 3: Patriach's Return ?

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Now Gaben, you speak of bellegar awesomeness, but throughout the game i saw him as an annoying nuisance and of course in the ending I choose the entombed mage over him, I mean i considered this logically:

I fought the whole game in order to free the spirit, and then in the end bellegar tells me that he can help ? why the F he didnt said that earlier. it could have saved me 10 hours of pointless gameplay.

He does sound like a crazy lunatic to me, i mean the rhyming i get, but throughout the whole game, i didnt see him help the character even once (except the last part).

tell me how is that your favorite character, how is he so unique ?
Originally Posted by candlebbq
For a second, I misread your post and thought it said:

Divinity 3: <anything>'s New Hope
Divinity 3: <anything> Strikes Back
Divinity 3: Return of the <anything>

lol

of course that would have to be divinity 4, 5, 6... so we're not quite there yet


I was sarcastic about cheap titles btw :P But I like your idea.
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you speak of bellegar awesomeness


Bellegar is awesome. So awesome, he transcends the game itself. In fact his super powers allow him to post on this forum from time to time.
Originally Posted by Mvc9
Divinity 3: Damian's Damnation ?

Lol grin

Bellegar is a wonderful character because... he's annoying. He has fun of everyone and likes to make them to live nonsense situation. He doesn't have any sens of danger, that's true, but if you think about... he keeps challenging heroes, but doesn't forget to reward their tenacity (even if the reward is kind of unbalanced, since he doesn't realize the price of danger). He's so powerful, if he really wanted to kill you he perfectly could! but he prefers spectacular, absurd challenges, to earn his help. He is lunatic, but logical with himself: no wonderful reward without wonderful challenge.

(He probably freezed Rhode because she tried to cheat ^^ he has no fun with cheaters.)
Originally Posted by scalla

Aaah, I should have guessed it really wasn't possible for Bellegar to have an ordinary familly :p I'm wondering why I misunderstood, I'll checked next time how it was translated.

Anyway, I'm not sure Maxos was a dragon knight himself... he had the power to make them, but that doesn't mean he decided to be one of them. That would explain both Maxos' disappearance and Bellegar's mysterious superpowers.


Good to know Bellegar doesn't have ordinary family. ^^ It made no sense to me and I was sure you made a mistake there.

Maxos was a Dragon Knight, I'm 99.(9)% sure. It's indicated many times, besides why would he NOT take the gift of being a Dragon Knight? He wanted wisdom and nothing more, and through becoming a DK he has got a little part of wisdom of Dragons.

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Now Gaben, you speak of bellegar awesomeness, but throughout the game i saw him as an annoying nuisance and of course in the ending I choose the entombed mage over him, I mean i considered this logically:

I fought the whole game in order to free the spirit, and then in the end bellegar tells me that he can help ? why the F he didnt said that earlier. it could have saved me 10 hours of pointless gameplay.

He does sound like a crazy lunatic to me, i mean the rhyming i get, but throughout the whole game, i didnt see him help the character even once (except the last part).

tell me how is that your favorite character, how is he so unique ?


He's annoying, but he's just fun to encounter! He's funny. He's a nuisance, but it's because he wants his fun - he enjoys giving challenges to people and make them live through illogical situations.

You didn't play the game in order to free the spirit. Zandalor and general Augustus said that you're to go to the tomb and convince the ghost to give you the Eye of the Patriarch, but they also said that under no circumstance you should free him.

He's crazy? A bit, I agree.

Why is he unique? He's a crazed, rhyming mage, who tries to make hell out of lives of random people for his entertainment. He enjoys challenging others, yet doesn't forget to reward them. He isn't dull for sure, unlike some other powerful wizard (yes, I'm looking at you Zandalor) who - apparently - became a fanboy of Dumbledore. He's funny. Rememberable. He wants to save Rivellon - his playground.

If he wanted to, he'd kill the Dragon Knight - his device gives the Dragon ability to destroy everything with that awesome fireball attack. If he used it against DK, only a bloody stain would remain out of our hero.
Originally Posted by GabeN
Maxos was a Dragon Knight, I'm 99.(9)% sure. It's indicated many times, besides why would he NOT take the gift of being a Dragon Knight? He wanted wisdom and nothing more, and through becoming a DK he has got a little part of wisdom of Dragons.

What if that kind of knowledge make him to forget his human memory? He was looking for knowledge, so I'm not sure he would be ready to forget anything. Besides, he maybe didn't need dragon wisdow to be wiser than them, if dragons respected him so much.
Originally Posted by scalla

What if that kind of knowledge make him to forget his human memory? He was looking for knowledge, so I'm not sure he would be ready to forget anything. Besides, he maybe didn't need dragon wisdow to be wiser than them, if dragons respected him so much.


We never heard about Dragon Knights losing their memories, only about Dragon Slayers.

Besides, Maxos made those Dragon Knights... He obviously had to give them dragon knowledge! Without having that kind of knowledge, he wouldn't be able to do so, would he? It means he had that kind of knowledge, so he WAS a DK!

Besides Bellegar being Maxos... Is unlikely. Someone would recognize him. Zandalor? Behrlin, who fought him a few times? Other characters?
Maxos cared only for power and knowledge. Bellegar cares a bit about morality, doesn't seem obsessed about power and knowledge, he also cares about Rivellon in his own, strange, Bellegarish way...

But it also would be a good, surprising turn of events in next game! I still think that in Divinity 3, if it will contain a Dragon Knight, we will happen to be Maxos who has forgotten everything because of what happened, when he teleported somewhere in search of power (Patriarch said something about it - he was successful, but something bad happened after it). Surprising, great turn of events. ^^
Originally Posted by candlebbq
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you speak of bellegar awesomeness


Bellegar is awesome. So awesome, he transcends the game itself. In fact his super powers allow him to post on this forum from time to time.


Has anyone actually taken that username?
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Besides, Maxos made those Dragon Knights... He obviously had to give them dragon knowledge! Without having that kind of knowledge, he wouldn't be able to do so, would he? It means he had that kind of knowledge, so he WAS a DK!


If you read and listen to every piece of story the in-game, as I remember it, the game tells you Maxos was a human who's quest for knowledge became so great the Dragons gave him the power to create dragon knights. He eventually became intellectual equals with the Dragons; and thus presumably left his tower for other intellectual pursuits. IMHO I think he transcended the realm that your character plays in and thus no longer meddles in the affairs of humans and dragon knights alike.
It's just a theory, but Maxos could have reached his purpose and become kind of omniscient. With so much power, so much knowledge, what does he have left? the opportunity to share it at the price he wishes. I think challenges could feed his curiosity about how-this-one-is-going-to-act type of questions, since it's the only thing he wouldn't know.

Well, I'm probably not right, but it would make (some) sense according to me.

When Patriarch opens the way to the Hall of Echoes for you, he mentions doing the same for Maxos, and implies things didn't go quite according to plan.

From Looking for Patriarch Conversation
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Character: Why did Maxos seek to enter the Hall of Echoes?

Patriarch: Knowledge was his answer to that question, power was the truth his eye betrayed. But I opened a gateway for him too, deep beneath the scorched wastelands of Yuthul Gor. He was successful as he almost always was, though now... but that is of no consequence. Nothing humans do really is.

It should be called 'Extreme Wakeboarding 2'

Just for lols
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