hellos again! I posted a request for long hairstyles awhile ago. Been checking in and something popped in my mind....I notice a lot of MMOs have "flirt options" when interacting with npcs. Sadly it's only for male characters...If Players can charm/flirt/persuade npcs in some way. Will female players have the option to with male npcs?

it gets a lil awkward in games, I make cute little healer types and then the game forces them into this dominant lesbian role flirting with female npcs..so just nervous!!


By the way I am totally in love with the weather system idea and the fact you can make it 6 players with the editor (I read that on the forums o.o)

I don't recall flirting with NPCs being mentioned during the kickstarter, but the game was originally designed with one male and one female lead character (until the backstory was changed and that was removed as a constraint), so it is unlikely it would be put in just for male characters.

I alwais like to see what interesting ideas people have about what a game should be, and I believe art should imitate life :p right!

i would be very surprised if the flirt options in the end don't end up being for the male and female characters.

=_=" now i want to find a female gamer who can play the female character so i can try to attempt to flirt with them :p as marius voinescu says art should imitate life hehehe

I think there are alot of female gamers! just most of us don't really get into games due to the male focus a lot them have.

Would be nice if every N.P.C. were to have individual "flirt success" thresholds for both sexes.

Divinity Original Sin General forum post number 6000 wooooo!

You can bribe people... What's the difference between bribe and flirting?

flirting's an art though hehe

bribes cost money/items. Flirting is free

Bribe may cost you something of material value.... Flirting will cost you your dignity. It's just two different kinds of currency.

dignity? Think we are talking about a diff kinda flirting. You do know flirting is a common happening in day to day life? I think you are thinking of..well not going to say it on the forums.Both genders flirt and who is to say someone does not want to play a silver tongued rogue? or charming priest/priestess?



Edited to add Priest/Priestess to show both genders can have options of flirting without it being some degrading act as some are trying to make it seem.

This will be funny because I'll play with my girlfriend and there is a feature (pursuade) between the two characters which is similar to flirting. Let's say sweet talk.
However this is a good idea to give the possibility to flirt with NPC-s and this can be really funny if the other character is there in the moment and can hear everything.
I mean only light things with this of course....

I for one think flirting is extremely uncharming and really really annoying.

Watser picks up all the chicks at the club by walking up to them and telling them that he wishes to pursue the act of procreation and possibly form an agreement for a long term engagement.

Like a sir.

Maybe we should have more gamer girls come here and post in the thread :P

so Watser we are all supposed to feel that way? silly me I had thought Larian liked hearing ideas from all players...*taps her head* I must have misread that.




edited because I forgot a T >.>

Gamer girl here, for what it's worth...

To address the OP's question: it was mentioned during the Kickstarter that some characters would react to the player character's gender, but I imagine the experience will be very similar for both male and female players. I'm sure there'll be at least one or two opportunities for flirting.

Almost true, I would never agree with longterm commitment.
Girlfriends are the worst investment you'll make in your life, it's nothing but expenses and you get nothing in return.

also a female gamer and I dont think I have ever been put off a game because it was male centered.. I mean yea sometimes you HAVE to play a male toon as thats the only option but if its an RPG then you are supposed to be playing as that guy anyways... I cannot recall ANY game that forces you to be a lesbian

I can! gosh I feel bad listing games on Larian forums...but its Saints row the third..a few other games too! just cannot recall the names. Where male players had more benefits then female players. Guess I am just picky =p

I don't mind playing male characters, but it's nice to be offered the choice if it doesn't affect the storyline too much. For D:OS I'll probably go with the default setup of one man, one woman - at least for my first playthrough. I've kind of got attached to Roderick and Scarlett.

How did males have more benefits than females in saints row?

Fear effect 2

watser I can tell you are trying to troll my post, so will humor you. Play the game and listen to a female character..they sound angry and butch. And I am sorry a female getting excited over female strippers? yeah the devs of that game set all the speech for male character mostly. There was not once you could flirt with a male character. But my female character had something flirty to say to each of the females.... Most games focus around the male player base and seem to forget girls can game to...flashing things and buttons don't confuse us...

Helena I am doing the same(one male one female), though I won't be playing alone~ a dear friend and I will be venturing through the game..and then fingers crossed we can make a story for it as well..if the tools are easy enough to understand =p

I'm a female gamer and I do hope there is a good amount of equity/parity between male and female choices. I usually prefer to play as a female given the option because it's more novel given how games usually are catered toward a male audience.

I'm not quite sure about the specifics, but is it possible to to a female only or male only run? Or is it always one male and one female when it comes to co-op?

can both be any gender ^^

That most games are made for man has just the reason that at least 90% of all gamers sre male so its the main target audience.

I really like that in D:OS you will be able to have all kinds of combination possible and that you`re not forced into stereotypes like all woman are archers etc.

I think everybody should have the possibility to flirt with everybody in the game but the Npcs might react diffirent. Since not everyone might be hetereo or homo or he/she is in a tight relationsship or maybe totally asexual. Or maybe they find flirting disgusting and you loose a lot of sympathypoitns .

Thanks, Ellary! Sounds good!

I am pretty sure if we count the more casual games in the industry, we'd see that about 30-40% of gamers are actually female. XD It seems to me that more and more gamers are females these days anyway. SO hopefully that trend also causes more focus on equal pandering. lol

Or maybe if you don't have enough charisma/attractiveness points or whatever, you will also be rejected even if you are the right gender. And if you were extremely good looking, you would make someone fluster even if they were more heterosexual. All of that would be cool. I somewhat doubt it will be THAT in depth in this game, but I hope for something like that in the future.

I want mustaches, homosexual romance options and a snippet of Bohemian Rhapsody playing in the background when my two hairy heroes discover each other.

Somebody to love would suit that much better.

Or 'I Want To Break Free'.

Oh no here come the inuendoes. :P Well the thread is still quite civilized but that might change :P

Hey if you have someone to flirt with while playing you could pretend it works for your characters to, or you could make a mod with the tool set to make it just so .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mighty_Jill_Off

ok so the two games ppl listed as forcing you to be a lesbian I have never heard of.. perhaps I should have stated major games.. and saints row?!?! really?!?!?! you should EXPECT that one to not be female friendly..its part of their deal to be very "male". I am sorry OP but it really does sound like you are looking for an issue where there just isnt one. If you have played the other Larian games you would know they are very female friendly games and you should not compare them to abominations like Saints Row >.< I mean thats like comparing Sonic to Leisure Suit Larry.

You have never heard of Mighty Jill Off?
You should be ashamed of yourself! It's about a girl with a bootlicking fetish who gets kicked out of her mistress' castle, great fun!

Looking for an issue? woah lets back up. you and Watser can step down right now. The orig post is not angry, is not demanding.. its a simple question. Now both of you can take your lil troll boxes and go fail troll some other post.

getting lil bleh of alot of you guys on here trying to start lil trolly fights in simple posts...so calm down, take a breath..its gonna be ok.

i'm fairly sure she's serious, just ignore it.
OT: usually if an rpg gives you the option to choose your gender, most interactions are the same, with the exception of interactions with people who act differently according to the chosen gender.
there are also a couple of rpgs where men and women have different advantages and disadvantages, like fallout, there is a perk that (if chosen) allows for unique dialogue options with the other gender, and it also gives you a 10% damage bonus against the other gender aswell

Edit: about fallout 3 again, i'm fairly sure that in fallout new vegas, you can get a guy you need to kill to sleep with you (if you're a woman) and then you can kill him after he's asleep.
does this count as flirting aswell?

I highly doubt Larian would 'force' your character to be lesbian. And I suppose any flirting in the game will be tongue in cheek and geared towards both sexes.

You can't compare a game like Divinity:OS to the likes of Saints Row the Third. It's not realy an RPG, it's definately not to be taken serious. And the main protagonist is angry, whatever you choose. Man, woman, or something in between (cus you can do that).

i don't think you're able to do that in saints row the third, i remember doing it in saintsrow 2, i always left it in the middle. it really made no sense what so ever, but it was hilarious

Was serious =p and I have not played any other games..aside from the very first one. So figured could not hurt to ask here. I do thank you all who gave serious replies and kept the trolling out of it.

i was actually talking about voodoou, i know you were being serious
also, if you can stomach fairly mediocre action RPG gameplay, you should try ego draconis and flames of vengeance.
The combat is pretty bad in my opinion but it has a great story and a ton of stuff to mess around with, like talking to a skeleton and asking him how it is possible for him to move & stuff, i won't go on, but it's pretty funny if you keep asking him about it

ahh neat! will have to look into it. thanks much!

Gamersgate has the Divinity Anthology on sale for $10, or individual games at 66% off (use the code derp for 7% off the cheapest item in an order there). The Larian Vault also has a discount for the Anthology, and GOG has each of the games at half price (for the summer sale, ending in a couple days).

oh thanks Raze! I keep forgetting about GOG ><

I am most certainly being serious and if you had read my posts you would know I am most certainly NOT a "guy". The only game you could suggest is not a serious game and has a purple dildo as a weapon... how could you EVER think that game would be "female friendly" in your eyes... I gave you an argument, I didnt name call or go on the defensive as you and I was trying to show you that perhaps you are being silly or not looking at things correctly. I was being fairly nice. I greatly agree having heard you have only played the first game that you should play Divinity 2... its an excellent game and will show you what to expect from D:OS.

If you disagree you are automatically labeled as a troll, live with it.

Or disagree to that, prove your point, make the other person look like an idiot/arse/whatever the case may be and win dignity points.

Well let's start with this, what is the definition of something female friendly? Redstockings feminists approved? It certainly can't contain violence because we all know females will faint in the arms of her heroic knight by the sight of bloodshed.

Both males and females are turned into sex objects in commercials/branding, depending on your audience. Why? Sex sells and it's getting very very old, but it works.
Hell the music videos I see today are far more generic towards the female gender than saints row or any other video game I can think of is.

If you were to make a game where immersion is important (note, immersion is not important in saints row 3), like an RPG, and you were to introduce a flirting option, it wouldn't make any sense to only make this available for the males. Besides we can already bicker at eachother using charm, that's basically the same no?

Dont try to make something up!

The original question was just if male and female genders have he same options in game. If i.e. "flirting responds" of Npcs wouldnt be the same if the character is male or female.

Ellary used with Saints Row a big exxageration. It is there to point out that it didnt matter wether you played a male or female.
Every Npc reacts as if you are a male.

She didnt compared any other aspects of D:OS and saints row. Just this one part. To make her point clear. This has nothing to do with a femenistic view. This has to do with realism. It is unrealistic if Npcs react to your female the same way they would react to a male character.

In example : if a man tries to flirt with another (hetero) man the other man would find it weird, but when a woman flirts to him he would respond positive. Thats realistic.

Got it? Thats all!

aww watser you are so adorable! more attempts at trying to make flirting into something it's not. So since you wanna go the red stockings path. watser I hate to break it to ya..thats not flirting. Now I can't say what that is here in case there are under aged members. But I suggest you google, wait what am I thinking...let me do it for you.

Flirting...
Behave as though attracted to or trying to attract someone, but without serious intentions: "it amused him to flirt with her".
Experiment with or show a superficial interest in (an idea, activity, or movement) without committing oneself to it seriously.

I see no red stockings listed, no heroic males and damsels falling into their arms.I welcome more attempts to turn my question into the, well again might be under aged on here so keeping the posts clean..

Voodoou I really don't pay attention to the gender of other posters,sorry~ I can expect a female friendly game as its 2013 and its time games stop following the same cookie cutter path. Female gamers are here n staying, You may not care..but I like making my own character.. an no I don't make strong female characters~ I make cute physically weak supports! cause that is whats fun for me personally, as I am sure you enjoy another path..and there is nothing wrong with that at all~ everyone should be able to enjoy their own path in games.

Big reminder again... Larian said they wanted to hear all fans thoughts, Not all of us will agree. This does not mean anyone should try and sabotage anyones questions/ideas.

Thanks to those of you who saw it was just a harmless question and gave some insight on the other larian games I missed out on playing, it helped me gain a better understanding that things most likely will be fair.

*hugs* Happy Gaming!

Ellary im talking about the term "female friendly", is that feminism in your book or is that the typical picture of the weaker gender?

How does Dragon Commander fall into all of this to you? Is it anti-female because you can only play as a prince, a royal boy, who is later forced to marry a princess for diplomatic and politic advantages? I'm sure that must seem outrageous for you, marrying someone not out of love, that has to be anti-female right

And how you somehow manage to link the redstockings feminists with flirting I am absolutely clueless

Watser, she's been saying from the beginning that she just wants the option to flirt with men as a woman, have the game treat her female character as a typical feminine woman and not as a "butch" or "masculine" or even male character. You brought up the redstocking thing, as the above quote illustrates, so the clueless comment really is reading as trolling now. If you don't want to be treated as a troll, don't act like one.

What has Dragon Commander to do with this? She´s talking about Original Sin.

watser back for more! and now ya confusing me? female friendly is now a feminism thing? I am learning all kinds of things here on the forums ^-^.

Dragon commander? as stated by others unsure what that has to do with my post either....I was asking about the turn based rpg game Divinity Original sin. So I think ya now trying to hard to troll..getting sloppy!

"And how you somehow manage to link the redstockings feminists with flirting I am absolutely clueless"
Ya know I have to admit I had to sit here a moment and kinda blink...really? who taught you how to troll...you can't start something, then try and turn it around when a few posts back you stated it...gosh trolls these days...so unskilled~ *pat pats watser* it's kay,I know ya trying your best.

Ok! now here is the thank you list, due to the positive replies I now understand Larian is a fair company, Have also looked into other games and the females actually looked female so yay!
OK! thank you and hugs to:
Raze
Marius Voinescu
Divinity4Life197
worri3db3ar
twincast
Endre
Helena L
sagamov
Prax
X-tasy
Arkham
deamento
Draghermosran
Jonlevir
Soulcollector

listed in order of posts ^-^ thanks guys n gals!

pst pst watser, if you look back a few months in the forums. I did a post about long hair! ya know...that one might be easier to troll...just sayin..just sayin...

Keep on fighting the good fight.

Don't let the trolls get to you. Bitterness, it seems, can lead some people to get stupid stuff up in their heads, like waging wars that are even more imaginary than the virtual settings of our video-games. Just leave them to their backyard squabbles that no one serious pays attention to anyway.

The only thing that matters in the end is that we get good games to play (and hopefully an even better editor to mod with in the case of D:OS). The last time I checked everyone on these boards was entitled to express their opinions, and deliver feedback and wishes to Larian to achieve such a goal.

PS : In the case that my motives get scrutinized, I feel the need to state that I am male, hetero, with an adorable gal in my life, and therefore posted with no other intent than to voice my delight at having more female gamers play and enjoy the same games that I do.

As said at the beginning, I'm curious at what you consider female friendly. Is it gender neutrality or is it pro-female (hence the feminists)
Reason why I'm also curious about your stand on the DC story

Note I did not link feminism to flirting, you did that.

Embarrassing.

DC was never the point. The point was that NPC react to female charaters as if their female. That is female gamer friendly. Since you cant play a female in DC it doenst matter in any way.

Really? Might wanna go back and read most of your posts.

watser just stop, there is nothing else to troll and now ya just making yourself look worse. Dragon Commander I looked at it on steam...it lists you play as a prince. So what is it you want me to say about it? My question was about flirting. It was not a complaint on genders offered in the game or anything. Was a simple question. You took it upon yourself to blow it out of proportion. Should really be more open minded, not every gamer plays a badass~ some of us like a gentle type character who is rather cute and innocently flirts.

Now kindly stop the lil trolly attempts, They won't work here. And yes I am labeling you as a troll. I have other topics where players disagreed, but it was done in the proper way. They did not go out on the attack and try and make things sound worse then they are.

a big thanks again to everyone who expressed a view without trying bend the question into something horrible.

Post deleted due to irelevant infomation!

I don't mind, and I'm not attack you

Good~ ^_-

I see nothing wrong with providing an option to play as a heterosexual female.

Here's a video that talks exactly about the issue that the OP brought up:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7044-The-Creepy-Cull-of-Female-Protagonists

woah, Starker I had never seen this video. Thank you!! am glad someone is pointing all that out! most of us want to express most of that, but lack the ability too! again great vid thankies!

Ok so i watched the trailer and I very much agree with the ideas in it, female characters are not given the place they deserve but rather a antiquated suppressed version of what male ruled society wants them to be, and whether we admit it or not even in the real world its still pretty much the same. Women still have only half as much power as men do. At least IM sure Larian is fair in this area and personally id love to hear more girls opinions on this so we can change the general perception and then shatter it to tiny pieces!

So... you want to change the general perception from state A to state B only so you can "shatter" state B... into chaos? (state C)


I'm not really sure Larian even needed to be reminded that women exist. I say this because I think that is enough to be sure that they will treat both genders with fairly equal opportunities.

The only option should be dominant lesbian role OP, sorry. Cause it's more fun..

:P

More fun for a male, yes because most men live in this fantasy world where every single female gamer is some hard ass lesbian. Hate to break the bad news, but my friends and I..none of them play hard type characters...we all create cute characters and usually all play supports...Most of the female gamers I know, wish there were options for a gentler female lead.


changed it to most men, instead of all since there has some guys on here who thankfully understand what female gamers want.


Edited again to clarify something, I am not anti gay/lesbian. I support both choices. I simply just wish to see more options in video games for a larger audience.

*burns a Barbie and a He-Man doll and prays to the gods to smite the demons of commerce*

Action figure!

:P

In my case, just more female protagonists would be nice: I'll play as a chap if the story really warrants it (e.g. The Witcher) but it's quite irritating if there's no good reason to not be offered the choice of a male or female character.

As far as the hard-arse variety are concerned, as much as I liked Mass Effect, I did find that Shepard was a bit too shouty to really represent "me".

And I'm afraid to say that my RL shoe obsession tends to spill over into games, too!

I know I'm a few weeks late on my post, but I concur completely. A lot of females in video games tend to be this masculine characters with little in the way of feminine quality. It would be nice to have a gentler, sweeter character who's less of a hard ass. Not every hero has to be a commander of an army or give harsh orders, especially female heroines. Less bouncy bosoms and half-naked warriors who cut up their enemies into tiny pieces, and more darling heroines (like a tender-hearted female Priestess, for instance) would be far more interesting to me. I plan to have a hardened male warrior and kind female heroine on my first playthrough. =)

Because murder of many living beings keeps a person kind and gentle...

No, of course not. One would undoubtedly change emotionally over such a trial. But I have no doubt that a female Priestess could remain good and kind throughout the ordeal. Murder is a sin, but is killing vile beasts and villains a sin? *Shrugs* Besides, I would have my warrior do the majority of the killing and my Priestess most of the healing and support spells.

I can only support that wish.

I noticed this real quick. Male is macho...female is butchish.

I'm willing to argue that male or female shepard is just a stereotype military solider. Which to be fair is what she is. And the stereotype for that is a loud, shouty, tough person. That a female can't be this way without being considered butchish is a bit sexist in and of itself I feel.

I don't mind my character being male or female if that is what the story calls for. The Witcher and Primal being examples of this. If the game is going to let me customize or create a character then I feel I should be able to choose either gender. And that both gender should be treated equally. Though I'll choose female almost 90% if given the option.

I do believe that if the story/setting calls for it, male and female characters should be treated differently, for why not? Men and women are treated differently in real life, so what's the issue in a video game? Men and women are vastly different from on another. Though we are equal in rights, we are not equal in mind, body, and spirit. I find it a wee bit silly that women are considered equals in many medieval/fantasy games, but it pleases the customers, so that is why it is done.

By equal I meant they have access to the same amount as a male character does. If the guy can go flirt it up and romance 4 different party members I would like the female to be able to have the same amount of effort put into her dialogue and romances. NPC are free to respond to gender as whatever fits for the game. In fact if the game has a female repressed society, then having many npc's offended over a female warrior and respond poorly to her is a nice touch. I just want as much attention to be paid to female characters and their choices and conversations as are given to male ones.

never met special care for one gender then the other except contextual. Some games make poor choice for the player.. looking at you DC.. but usually they are more equal then it should be (easier to develop).

Always playing female characters since my UO times and never felt my character pushed away.

Mount&Blades: Warband is quite challenging as it is medieval and as such it's pretty harder to get any land property of your own. And in some games it looks freakishly strange.. as Saints Row 3 but that game is intentionally absurd enough that it doesn't matter to have female as dirty gang boss.

But the other games seem pretty equal. What one can do, can do as both genders.

I've been trying to get my wife into crpgs for years. The closest I've gotten is the Sims, and not even the Sims Mideival

hehe~ maybe Divinity Original sin will be one she will try!