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Hi everyone, bought the game in EA, but cannot access it and play right now. I've been a a fan of Larian and Divinity series since I played BD (yeah, strange start). I am very interested in lore and plot of the games. Can anyone spoil the plot of DOS2 here? Will Lucian appear in the game? Will Damian? How is source connected to the divine power?

Well considering the time it plays in. Lucian should be in the Hall of Echoes and Damian is still in the world of BD. So I highly doubt any of those two appear. They are however regulary mentioned since the Divine Order exists and good and bad deeds are done in Lucians name no doubt.

I admit it is a bit strange that Original Sin 2 mentioned that Lucian sacrificed himself after the deathfog-attack. I always thought he was alive until Damian came back and defeated him after BD. Does anyone have an explanaition for that?

Divinity 2 is no longer canon it seems. Lucian is alive and not trapped in The Plane of Hypnerotomachia, and he is trying to get rid of source all together to completely kill the Void, God King, and the Gods, Dallis is working with him and is an eternal and the daughter of Fane, The hooded figure with Dallis is Braccus Rex, Damian is no where to be seen. As for the endings, you either become the new Divine and stop the Void and God King or you decline and let the God King enslave everything and everyone. There is another option where you let Lucian claim your source and turn you into a Silent Monk, but neither my friend or I chose that option, so I dunno what happens there.

Thanks for your help! Perhaps it all takes place before BD, and then when the threat from the Source and the Void is eliminated, Damian returns and the plot of Divinity 2 kicks in.

But why is Braccus alive if Source Hunters from Original Sin prevented his resurrection? And why Source attracts Voidwoken if it was purged from the Void Dragon's corruption? Do they clarify it?

OS2 is set in 1242, which during that time according to the timeline, Lucian should be locked away, Damian biding his time and building up his army, and The Slayers having been founded to combat the Dragon Knights. Braccus Rex is back because he was resurrected by Tarquin as he knows where to find the Aeteran (Forgive me, I may have misspelled the name of the weapon) which can kill anything. The Void is or was, the Race that The God King, the Eternals, and the Seven Gods belonged to, but the Seven were not Gods under the God King, when they rebelled and sealed him away, they used Source to power themselves, and then they created the Races to feed on to make themselves stronger. So, say a human dies, when they go to the Hall of Echoes, Rhalic will feed on their source, making himself stronger and completely erasing that person from existence all together. So, in essence the Gods are parasites. The Divine is used by them to stop the void so they can continue feeding on everyone. The God King just wants to be the ruler of everything again. This the basic gist of the entire story. Some parts may be slightly wrong, and if so, feel free to correct me.

Ok, thanks, it clarifies a lot.

But haven't Lucian basically stolen the power from the gods to repel the Black Circle and the Demon of Lies? So the demons must oppose the gods which feed on souls, which makes the Chaos and the Demons the good guys? O_o

It also explains why the Void Dragon wanted to corrupt the Source, but Astarte is not one of the seven gods and seems like a benevolent being. Do they clarify her role in this?

Astarte, to my knowledge is never mentioned nor brought up. The Void dragon is mentioned in passing in a book as are the two Source Hunters from Original Sin 1. The Role of The Divine now it seems is to stop the Void and The God King from enslaving everything so the God's can continue feeding on their Worshippers. Some Demons from Nemesis are present in the game and some can be talked to, but Damian is MIA which, him being the reincarnated Chaos Demon and quite a threat is extremely odd. The entire game seems to treat Damian as if he is actually dead. Lucian barely mentions him when you speak to him except to say that not killing him when he was a baby was a mistake.

So they made a noble, selfless and merciful Lucian into a jerk working to maintain the horrible status-quo where Gods destroy living beings on a regular basis? Kinda sad watching Larian do this to their own lore and ideas.

Lucian is completely different from what he was in the prior games. If you remember, he could not bring himself to kill Damian, even with all that he did and tried to keep causalities to a minimum. In OS2 however, Lucian is completely fine with using Deathfog to wipe out the Black Ring and innocent Elves in the area, He goes to the Godwoken academy and slaughters every other Godwoken there so his son, Alexander is the only Godwoken. If you kill Alexander, and talk to him about it, he doesn't even seem to care. I suppose Lucian trying to ride the world of Source, thus killing The Void, God King, and God's so the races can live without the threat of them can be considered noble, but on the whole he seems like a complete arsehole now.

I guess it makes sense, because most people felt the story in OS1 was really lacking. Which to me, is partly true because the story was set up so well in the first act. It seemed after about level 15, the story was a bit of a let down.

I came to this thread for spoilers as well. I bought the CE and it hasn't arrived yet. Some things I am hoping to see is more Bellegar and Larian humor. Also wanted to see Braccus Rex's storyline explained further. Cassandra and Arhu was kinda sad in the last one, would be nice to see a happy ending to that. And for some reason, I would like to see some of my followers again. Even though they annoyed me half the time.

In DOS1, they said something about how a soul forge couldn't be completely broken... does this game expand upon soul forges? Also, are wizards immortal? They seem to live forever in the Divinity universe.

I'm not sure if Wizards are immortal, Amadia gifted immortality to her lover whom was a Wizard, but I think they just live extremely long lives compared to the other races. Soul Forges are never brought up unless my friend and I missed something, but we chatted with everyone and looked through all the books, letters etc we came across and we did not see mention of Soul Forges.

The big problem with this is Larian went too far with the jerkass part i understand they wanted to make Lucian more grey but they apparently went too far. Would be better if he could succeed and you see him break down thats its finally over or something like that.

Divinity dragon knight saga lucian is a wise old knight who tries his best in a screwed up situation and chastise you because you royally messed up.

Divinity original sin 2 Lucian sounds like a decrepit old guy who has been mind controlled, i legitimately thought Dallis was controlling him somehow with how his voice sounded, then he just dies.

I was honestly expecting Alexander to be Damian in disguise and he was playing both the Magisters and Divine Order for his own fun. And when I found out that was not the case, and saw Lucian alive I thought surely this is Damian playing a trick, but nope. Lucian was actually Lucian and now nothing like his old self.

Also wouldnt you destroy the lore by becoming a new divine?


wtf happend to dragon knight saga now?

The writers seemed to not have read up on or seem to care about established lore from the prior games. Larian just seems to have given them names people recognize, and said write something around that. I said to my friend we could have had two other ways for Original Sin 2 to be its own game but also keep in with the established lore. One - It could have been set after Lucian became the Divine and we could have been Soldiers for him during the Great War against the Black Ring and it leads into Lucian being "killed". Second - It could have been set after Damian "killed" Lucian, and maybe we could have been apart of the newly founded Slayers and hunt down the Dragon Knights to avenge Lucian and that in turn would have lead into Divinity 2. I know I'm complaining a lot, the game itself is good, but the blatant disregard of the established lore irks me.

Larian was always very liberal about its lore, the only two games that were tightly connected were DD and BD. I think they don't care about the lore itself, they just use different elements from their original story to write completely new ones with the same characters. It's author's own fan-fiction. Imagine Tolkien writing about Aragorn turning evil and putting him into a slightly different setting - that would be the same.

And while I find this way of storytelling interesting and engaging, it sucks that we don't get satisfactory conclusions to the stories Larian tells us. And especially with this game, which could have utilized Damian, who is the most interesting character they've created.

As I said, I went into it thinking Alexander was Damian and he was playing the Magisters and Divine Order for fools. I was hoping they would go that route as I was looking forward to exploring more of Damian as a character.

I'm sad to hear they diverged so far away from the established lore. I think the basic lore was pretty good, and interesting. They could have at least kept the basic aspects of established lore. I think they should have given it a different name, Original Sin 2 makes it sound like a sequel to the first.

I feel bad complaining, because I love Larian and their games. But at the same time, lore is really important to me.

Do they at least explain where Alexander came from? It's not like Lucian had time to hang out with chicks, with the crusade he waged against the Black Circle and with Damian being his adopted son at first and an enemy later.

Nope. He's just Lucian's actual child and that's it. Not that Lucian seems to care, as I said, you tell him you killed Alexander and he's just like "Oh. Okay." Totally unfazed about the death of his own child.

I think that what they were going for is that Lucian was someone who looked at the bigger picture. He felt that Damian didn't NEED to be killed per se so he didn't, and that made him weak. In DOS2, he appears to be dead but actually isn't, working to repair the mistakes of the gods and his own. I think he feared the Black Ring and their potential so for him to lay waste to the elves was worth it(again a weakness shown through his own selfishness) and now feels that even if you killed Alexander, that's okay because he feels that its more important to right the wrongs of the Seven and fix the fabric of the veil than it is to do anything else. He can certainly be benevolent and kind, and when I met him in DOS2 he didn't strike me as cruel and apathetic, rather he was more deeply concerned with the greater threat. He knows you did what you had to do to get there. Lucian killed the other godwoken because he could not let another come to the powers of Divinity, lest all the work he did be for naught. He even mentions that he tried to be merciful in his killing.

The overarching theme of Lucian in all games is that he is a "Mortal" given godly powers. The theme of the games however, is that no "Mortal" should have that kind of power since people are selfish and make mistakes. Even the so called "Gods" aren't up to snuff, why would a human man?

If I remember right on my first playthrough (still on my 2nd), Lucian regretted his actions with Damian, saying it was a mistake, and also regretting his decision on the use of Deathfog with the elves and the Black Ring, and this was his way of "redeeming" himself. Although his logic is flawed because the elimination of all source would render him mortal again, and thus, open to invasion from Damian, and the fact that he can actually die. I can't imagine the pandemonium that would be wreaked if Damian were to invade against a mortal Lucian and kills him publicly. (Although it'd be an epic game to see for a 3rd installment). I agree with his decision that the God's had to be taken care of after revealing their true parasitic nature, however, his elimination of source is nothing short of brutal. I feel like Lucians decision overall is simply short sighted, and his guilt is overriding reason.

Despite all that I've said about Lucian and his guilt over his decisions, I want to say that were seeing a Dr. Manhattan version of Lucian, where he's more or less detached from human emotions and thinks on a grander scale that people cannot comprehend.

I have finished the game already and it seems that Damian is dead, like completely. DOS2 likely takes place after the return of Lucian from his imprisonment in another dimension after which he led the assault on Damian and finished him. It's described in some books and also depicted in some paintings in Arx. So his mortality at the end doesn't mean much, there is no threat from demons if you killed the Doctor (who, btw, appears to be their leader in Rivellon, further showing that Damian is dead).

Also, I sided with Lucian at the end and sacrificed my Source, and the ending was pretty much what he has described. He returned to the world and demanded peace, and all conflicts were stopped.

DOS2 takes place in around the 1240s, IIRC, whereas D2 was 1300 when Lucian was freed and Damian was still on the rampage. But the lore is a flexible thing, my obligatory comment being "Lucian is a guy!? Mine wasn't!"

It looks like Lucian banished Damian to Nemesis by stabbing him in the chest with a two-hander, which is an original way of doing things. At least that's what they show in the paintings. Also, in DOSEE you can meet with the guys from Nemesis searching for imps and they mention that they serve the demons which indicates that Nemesis is just a demon homeworld according to the new lore, and not the dimention they occupied because of Damian.

That's a bit absurd that the developers/writers wouldn't include that in the game in a more grandiose way. Damian is practically the poster boy for the evil side of things.

Can you double check the books and post them, please? I stopped reading a lot of the books towards end game, but I'm more interested to see how they have depicted it.

Larian has a funny way of writing, where their individual scenes are detailed but the story itself isn't. I'm sure everyone has fond memories of a certain imp chatting a hole in your skull to effectively state "a dargon gon get u". And then in this game every character interaction is handled with care and talent, and their emotions and attitudes are expertly conveyed, and even little flavour quirks are depicted in lovely detail; but then the whole story is that 'Cthulhu was actually king of the whole world but then his friends pushed him into a well and now he came back with insect friends who have a strange idea of how annexation works and then your dad-insert is a man in a lead box who is probably some sort of sociopath and THEN EVERYONE WAS SKELETONS!'

It's really strange, like whoever storyboarded it all left out a couple of segments and turned to their employees going "Okay, now fill in the blanks with a little extra spice, okay?" and the expert writers wrote it down exactly as on the whiteboard and nothing else. Why was Ahru even in the game? He was in literally one room the entire game. And I'm dang certain he was a CAT last time I saw him. He was a CAT and he said he'd NEVER turn human AGAIN, and then he's sitting there with his rasta hair and claiming to be some sort of high ranking person in the divine order.
Did I need to play D1, D2, and all the other games to get this?

I know nothing of Lucian and even I could tell the way he was written was a complete arsepull to give a twist at the end, and why is Dallis a dragon? Also Braccus Rex is very cool, but he had no purpose in this game other than to be the conduit of the spoopy fish king. Also whoever though that they could just go from "Magisters are about torture and genocide" to "Magisters are the good guys, they just have some bad eggs." in the final act should get a paddling.

Man, if I cared at all about the lore I would be upset. But as it stands I can't help but just think Larian is very silly to not have a better core story to hang all the sidestories on.

Yeah, he was a cat in D:OS and he was a cat in the D2 epilogue but 60-odd years before the D2 epilogue I accidentally and he was no more. But he's still a cat decades later, because cats I think.

All I know of Lucian is that I played her in DD and she was kind of the amiable but somewhat unreliable unwilling hero because all my characters are. Some dudes played a party trick on her and she woke up with a hangover and had to pwn some bad guys and then there was some baby who needed its nappy changing. ew.